₦airaland Forum

history2902:
Look, your yorubaland is nothing but a fiction, the only thing I know is the Benin empire.
All your "yoruba" chiefs are mere copy-cats of the Oba of Benin less the authenticity. Those unsecured village chiefs added the title Oba to their names while it is historically proven that that title belongs to Omo n'Oba n'Edo. It is annoying to discuss with people who do not know history but talk as if they have a point. Let me repeat: Benin City was the capital of the Benin Empire/Kingdom, that is all. The people of the empire are called the Edos, one people. Your yoruba nomination is just as new as the name nigeria. We (the Edos) have a well documented history which is well known even in european libraries.

Ilu ibinu.. Ibinu... Benin

history2902:
I am starting to understand that you guys don't know the meaning of "history" because it is not taught in nigerian schools.
You don't get to decide what your past was according to your mood of the day.
The Oba of Lagos has already clarified the Edo origins of Lagos, so have historical documents.
The Olu of Warri was only looking for an alliance, he didn't know that you guys as usual would see this as him forfeiting his land Warri to your lots.

UNITY SUMMIT FOR YORUBA , AFENIFERE HOLDS Thursday in IBADAN

"The meeting is aimed at uniting the mainstream Yoruba people. This task will be achieved greatly if the two Afenifere groups are united. I think the region is coming to realize that they either stand in unity or fall in disunity” Dr Mobolaji Ojo, an official of O’odua National Coalition (ONAC) who is privy to the summit said.

He hinted that the Yoruba leaders expected at the summit will be drawn from Afenifere and the splinter group, Afenifere Renewal Group (ARG). Prominent leaders expected at the summit are chief Olanihun Ajayi, Chief Ayo Adebanjo, Hon Wale Osun, General Alani Akinrinade, Mr Ayo Afolabi, Senator Babafemi Ojudu, Senator Sola Adeyeye and the governors of the six southwest states. The Itsekiri, will be represented by Chief (Mrs) Rita Lori Ogbebor, Chief Fred Agbeyegbe and Dr Lucky Akaruse..

https://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.bodedolu.com/unity-summit-for-yoruba-afenifere-holds-thursday-in-ibadan/&rct=j&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiqifaine3UAhVIZ1AKHS2BCT8QFggrMAY&q=Mrs+Ritalori+ogbebor+is+a+member+of+Afenifere&usg=AFQjCNHip0sapqF2PU0IwBQYk4lvk530KQ

ndo! Wipe ya tears.

Dalek:
emphasis on military will only cause problems for us, if Nigeria breaks we will get some military installation all we need do is maintain them. who we at war with?? is it North dat want to attack us or biafra??
i also dnt agree with recover Togo or Benin. how can we recover wat we never owned. dey may have Yoruba links but dey were never Nigerians, we can't attack and forcibly attach them to our new republic.

I still believe we need military strength due some obvious reasons I wont disclose here ....

Odua was never Nigerian before the British brought us together neither were they Togolese or Benin Republic before France divided them into those countries.

omohayek:
To begin with, I don't agree that what brought Oyo down was the pursuit of economic growth over military strength. It was brought down by internal division, starting with Afonja's breakaway to form an independent state in Ilorin, which gave a green light to many other groups to break away.

The second thing I will mention is that if you're intent on drawing lessons from history, you need to look at historical examples from other parts of the world, not just the one example of Oyo. Both Germany and Japan tried to follow your suggested strategy between 1870-1945, and the end result in both cases was utter disaster - bombed out cities, millions dead, most of the national wealth gone up in flames, and a much smaller landmass than when they started their last conflicts. Why would you expect the result to be any better in a world which has much less tolerance for that sort of behavior than it used to, before the creation of the United Nations and the International Court of Justice?

Anyone who thinks militarism is something to be advocated cannot have much knowledge of what war looks like up close: have you ever seen any dead bodies, with heads blown apart, or men hacked away at the torso by artillery shells? Do you know what the smell of dead bodies decomposing is like, or what it is to see the burnt bodies of mothers holding their infants? Have you ever seen masses of teenage boys and old men lined up and shot in the back of the head for being "suspected guerillas"? If you can say "Yes" to such questions, then I can take your militarist stance a bit more seriously. War is a horrible, ugly business, never to be advocated lightly.

You are right about the internal division but it didn't start with Afonja.

It started when there was disagreement between Alafin Abiodun and the Egba's because of the policy to change from military strength to Economical strength.

After Alafin Abiodun had his way for his preferred economic growth over military strength, the Egba's quarters separated from Oyo empire.

They were no longer focused on the military hence the rebellions.
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Besides, I am not saying we should be like Germany or Japan of those days. I am saying we should be like USA, UK etc of this era.

history2902:
Edo and Delta are part of the same familly which excludes you. We will never join you, deal with it. Itsekeri are Edo not yoruba. I know you want to claim them not because you love them but because you want their oil wealth. The worse thing that would happen to my Itsekeri brothers would be them joining the "yoruba" into a make-shift country. The first thing the "yorubas" would try to do is a genocide to wipe the itsekeri out of their land Warri and claim their oil.

He said:”I came in from Ile-Ife to this place and the way the Ooni of Ife received me and my entourage confirmed the fact that we are from the same heritage. As a matter of fact, I had the honour to first receive and bless his new wife. And when I got to the palace of Oba of Lagos this morning, the reception too was like home coming.

“The Oba of Lagos left his throne and sat with me and this is just a confirmation that we are brothers and must not be separated. I am happy sitting with the Governor as a member of the same family. My appeal is that we are part of you not minding the geographical distance. There are lots of Itsekiri in Lagos and there are lots of Yoruba in Warri. I want such relationship to continue and pray that we should sustain it.”..


https://www.google.com.ng/url?url=/amp/www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/olu-warri-itsekiri-heritage-meets-yoruba-royalty/amp/&rct=j&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiFn-e7i-3UAhXBKFAKHZp2CiwQFggaMAA&q=Olu+of+Warri+said+we+are+Yoruba&usg=AFQjCNFsg5ZPcrIxxQKGBHDugGygZZCkAw
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Here are the quotes from Olu of Warri.

Olu317:
They are not weak but gone underground. Some were raising eyebrows against Chief Gani Adams leadership. And wanting him to step down. From my calculation Chief Gani Adams may step down as OPC leader.

I see.

omohayek:
Sorry, but here I think you are completely wrong, and frankly, your method would be the surest possible way to lose any hope of getting widespread support for a Yoruba-majority state. I want to be part of an Athens, not a Sparta, and I'm sure most Yoruba people would feel the same way.

Emphasizing militarism over economic growth is not only bad for economic development, it is also bad in the long-run for military strength, as you can't have a strong military without a strong economy to back it - just ask the Soviet Union. Planes, tanks, submarines, aircraft carriers and the like all require either a strong domestic industrial base, or the wealth to buy the best from abroad (and hope that your suppliers don't someday decide to stop selling to you).

As for your belief that it requires an external wartime enemy to unify Yoruba people, I can only say that I don't share your pessimistic view of the matter, and think people need to be given a positive reason to want a nation of their own, rather than simply being motivated by fear and hate - which is the model currently being followed by a certain Nigerian movement I won't dignify with a mention. If a movement can't give its intended audience good reasons to love the state its advocating for, then such a movement simply doesn't deserve to succeed.

Of course, it should be a secret agenda and not for the consumption of the public.

It's expected we have diverse opinions as people of different backgrounds but the beauty is when all these opinions are open for debates, dialogues and critical analyses.

This why we have the Parliament to give opinions and discuss various issues. This is one of the reasons Awolowo was respected because he's open to debate.


However, I read alot of Yoruba history books and from what I read I deduced that one strongest Empires in West Africa came as a result of having common enemy.

Are we going to have a common enemy if after having a Nation?

Do you need military strength to survive?

Those are the questions we must frankly ask ourselves based on what is on ground.

Besides, what brought Oyo empire down was the quest for only economic growth without realizing that it was their military strength that allowed them had control over trades along those roots. Consider ooooooo.

omohayek:
Very wise words. The last thing a new state will need is to become embroiled in border disputes with its neighbors, when it should be devoting all of its energy to economic development. Better to have in the beginning a smaller but unified state, with the peace required to concentrate on the economy, than a geographically larger state plagued with instability and economic stagnation.

You can be sure that even if only the "core" SW states were to break off, but they were managing 11-12% annual GDP growth over a decade, the "Fulani" parts of Kwara, the Yoruba groups as far afield as Togo, and the Yoruba-affiliated groups like the Itsekiri, would have absolutely no problem with wanting to join up with such a state. If anything, the problem then would be keeping out all the unrelated groups suddenly inventing reasons for why they actually deserve to be regarded as Yoruba-derived.

Rapid economic growth absolutely has to be the top priority, above everything else. Military power, diplomatic recognition, cultural influence, all derive in the end from economic strength.

I agree with your first and second paragraph but the last paragraph is what brought an end to the Oyo empire. The quest for economic growth over military strength.

I think if we are dreaming of becoming a world power, we must invest in the military else we will be vulnerable to our neighbors on the west, East and North.

Besides, what can bring a unified Omoluabi together is common enemy. Without this forget unity in Omoluabi land.

Therefore, I will advise we fight for all the lands in Nigeria, especially those who have identified with the state first, then after we are stable, move to recover the ones from Benin and Togo (if they want oooo).

Olu317:
Are you sure OPC are in Warri?

I heard about their operations in Warri during the era of Goodluck Jonathan but as at now OPC seems to be weak in the west.

Now, I can't confirm.

lakhadimar:
Bros i could not make it to abia, i am sure you were there. I really hope to make it at Ikorodu next month. How is the preparation going, has the registration started?

I see. Preparation is very smooth. August 13th - 17th has been fixed for the program. Venue is at kiths and Kins secondary school, Ibeshe, Ikorodu Lagos. Fee na 3k. Registration is on. You can call 08029596025.

SuperS1Panther:
Yeah I can remember the invitation of OPC to Warri about 5years ago. Ganiyu Adams was in Warri ad the Ijaws vehemently kicked against it.

OPCNairaland, is an active member of OPC and he gave the perspective that led to it then.

Itshekiris know that they are better protected being with Yorubas than even being in ND Republic, where they can easily be exterminated by their enemies.

OPC dey warri upon the bragado of the Ijaws.

As you rightly said in the last paragraph, if they join ND, it's suicide. Urhobo and Ijaws will send them to extinction. They are pretty well aware hence their coalition with Afenifere and OPC.

deedeedee1:
Excellent contribution! The Yorubas in Benin and Togo speak Yoruba language and even look up to us here in Nigeria. I dont know why the ones in Nigeria don't really focus on them. I guess their obsession with "one nigeria" is the cause. There are "Nigerian yorubas" that dont even know that yoruba language is spoken by many in Benin and Togo
This is the map of Yorubaland in Benin republic and Togo.

Yoruba land big ooooooo. I heard the Togo side of the land is very beautiful but make dem forget those sides first until the main region is formed. If it succeeds, success they say has many friends.

deedeedee1:
Thank you jare. I don't know why somebody will include itshekiri with us. It is like they don't know they are ridiculing us by including the minorities. Even if the itshekiri want to join, we will reject them.
I don't want to hear any cry of marginalization when we have our new country. Why then do we plan to leave Nigeria when we will still face the same problems that we faced under her? Let them stay on their own. We don't want them. We don't share same culture. They are closer to Benin and urhobo people.

It seems you don't know Itshekiris are always in every meeting organized by Afenifere. In fact, they are bona-fide member of this organization.

Even, OPC dey warri on the request of Olu of Warri.

ShangoThor:

For me, this is where you nailed it, and considering this whole idea is a concept which ultimately has to be sold in order to gain traction and wide acceptance is is very necessary to try as much as possible to separate fact from fiction or myth.

There is nothing fictional about creating a Nation-State, this is not a joke whereby some roll out of bed and dream of creating an autonomous independent Nation-State, the main consideration here in buy-in and opt-in by most of the participants. Also as a concept, many other considerations have to be explored such as viability and the marketing for obvious reasons, and I could go on and on.

I would just like to say that this is what I do for a living and I get paid extremely handsomely to actualize concepts.
What you are effectively doing is creating a bone of contention before the idea actually germinates.

Though, I don't agree we name the country Odua Republic, I also have reservations to name it Ife Republic. Both are no no for me.


Omoluabi Republic, Yoruba Republic, Olukumi Republic etc are somehow ok for me.

AshiwajuFoward:
Bro, I can't shout o. You never see as the Edos and Deltas have already come in here to denounce their inclusion? I just don't want anyone calling us name that isn't ours.

I don't think he is referring to the whole Edos and Deltas.

There are some communities in these areas that identifies themselves as Omoluabi. This can't be ignored.

It's not as if they have any form of mineral resources to contribute to the economy but they must be considered first then if they refuse, no wahala. But so far, I don't think they have refused.

I think those who are denouncing are ignorant about this Yorubas being indigenous to these states.

Besides, I know Itshekiris are also part of Afenifere group. They might likely join else they know now.

zicky:
the pelzon I quoted said he prefer Etebo to Iheanacho as a false 9. Btw is Kayode or Martins better than Iheanacho on the air?

That is one of the major part of their strength.

AshiwajuFoward:
[/b] Ooduapathfinder: unless your group wants to become jokers in the mould of iPob touts and miscreants who are notorious for stupidly lumping together uninterested and separate ethnicities in their agitation (in this case Edos and Deltans), then you had better remove Edo and Delta states from your document lest they start denouncing, abusing and accusing us via press releases abeg. Yorubas are not known to be land-grabbers or by-force-by-fire attache formers. We don't need that please.

And just like an earlier commenter stated, I am not feeling that 'Oduduwa republic' name at all (it's way too clumsy to pronounce, IMO). But I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

. The land description of the Oodua Yoruba Nation corresponds to the present states of Ekiti, Eko, Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo and[b] all Oodua lands in Kwara, Kogi, Edo and Delta States[/b]

He is right on point based on the @bolded.

He even forgot to mention Niger state where we have Jebba.

zicky:
And Etebo gat all these attributes. I don't agree when people say nacho don't have control give him the ball on his feet, watch the way he controlled the ball before passing to Etebo or his ball control to beat the zambia keeper.

Did I suggest Etebor? No

I will rather play a natural CF like Martins, Kayode and Adi against Cameroon. EOD.

On his feat, Nacho can but on the air, I am sorry he is not good enough.

zicky:
That's what I noticed, anyone but nacho.

At 1.87m Iheanacho is tall but he doesn't seem to fit into our 4-2-3-1 pattern.

He doesn't have the attributes of a Lone CF.

He can't hold onto play. He can't control well. He's not good on the air. Many more.

We all know Nacho has good vision to set up a through pass (I no weda e still get am) oo and he is a prolific goal scorer (though as a poacher in Man City) hence the need to play him at the position to utilize his ability.

I sorry, he can't play as a lone CF. EOD.

chrisooblog:
it's only serie a that has top clubs and?

I thought na only Chelsea you talk? Now, you don see another club you dey shift goal post.

goldfish80:
Lewandoski is the real definition of target man. Big, strong, good shot to booth, win headers, brings people into play and all that classic no 9 move.
Where people are getting the idea that a good all fashioned, big, strong striker model is going extinct defiles belief.

Not when one of the hottest players in the transfer market who clubs are falling over themselves to sign up with about £80M transfer fee quoted in the person of Torino striker, Belloti is the definition of a proper big centre forward.
Amongst the top rated teenagers in Europe is Alexander Isak of Dortmund. At just 17 he's imposing figure stands at 6ft 3.

It's not like I'm at loss why people are running with the view that the big centre forward type is not fashionable. Obviously all in view to make a case for Kelechi starting for the eagles at all cost.

Hahahahahah! You just..... nailed it.

Real Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Manchester United, Tottenham, Monaco, Arsenal are not modern teams because they use big center forwards. This is according to their theory. Bhuuuhahaha! Chai!

Which team come dey play modern day Football aside dis ones listed? Abi teams dey for space?

Icon4s:
Just like someone asked the other day about Ronaldo : " Is Lewandowski playing for Nigeria against Cameroon?"

To the #TeamBigStrikers name the Big NIGERIAN Striker you want us to feature against Cameroon and let us take the argument up from there.

Make una Leave Lewandowski matter for "Matayas" abeg

Cc: Goldfish80, TheGoodJoe, Loogan, Bascovanveli, komekn

Fanendo Adi dey, Abraham dey, Solanke dey, Simeon Nwankwo dey, Sadiq Umar etc

BascoVanVeli:
Why didn't u just say that? Could have saved u the characters.

2 over 3 is not flop.

Two good seasons out of 3 seasons, dat one no be flop, na. That na A = Excellent.

BascoVanVeli:
Haba he flopped in Liverpool and AC Milan. He even admitted so but that does not take anything from the player he is.

We all know why he flopped in liverpool-fc and it was after that season he went to Milan to spend his third season.

Holistically speaking, 33 goals in 77 matches for Milan no be flop.

BascoVanVeli:
He meant with Liverpool o.

He should have said "he flopped at Liverpool" and not "he flopped in the EPL". Na two different things.

TheGoodJoe:

I do not need to watch nothing. The guy flopped.

Hahahahahah! For your mind, ba. Bhuuuhahaha!


Balatolie flopped for EPL but scored 10 goals in 28 matches for Manchester City as second or third striker.


Balatolie flopped for EPL but scored 17 goals in 32 matches for Manchester City as second or third striker.

do4luv14:
BALO is not a flop, he had always had problems since leaving inter Malian,

his problem is all about man management, go and ask JOSE,

I was NT surprised seeing him shine in France, cos BALO is a top striker anytime, anyday,

Please, kindly tells this to TheGoodJoe because I know wella without Balatolie Manchester City no for smell EPL league trophy.

chrisooblog:
if you read my posts which you clearly didn't you would have seen the parts where I supported using a big Point man I was just suggesting that a lot of clubs don't prefer big Strikers like Costa and Lukaku because it doesn't fit their Style of play

Guy you are funny when did Costa personally tell you that he wanted to go to Atletico Madrid only?

Answer to the @bolded

But the 28-year-old will refuse to be forced out unless he can secure a dream return to Atletico, according to the Daily Star.

Clubs in Italy have expressed interest in Costa but it is claimed the talisman does not want to join Serie A and may instead spend the first half of next season at Chelsea.

TheGoodJoe:
What of at City? Please, Balo is an EPL flop. Flopped at Milan too.

Hahahahahah! Balatolie flopped at Milan?

Diego Costa doesn't want to go to any other club apart from Athletico Madrid else e for go bigger clubs. Facts.

Besides, what type of striker is Bayern Munich using?

chrisooblog:
apart from those two how many clubs do you know are chasing after their signatures? Besides both clubs have history with the players in question

Lukaku - Juventus, PSG and Manchester United. Are these small clubs?

TheGoodJoe:
The way you come up with repeated blunders baffles me. What gives Favre more pedigree than Klopp? Nothing. You made that up to sell your fantasy.


The 2014–15 Bundesliga season was Favre's most successful season to date, with Gladbach finishing in third place and directly qualifying for the 2015–16 UEFA Champions League group stage.

Talk of more pedigree than Klopp. Please Balotelli is scoring in Ligue 1. He was a big flop in the EPL.

Baloteli big flop in EPL?

Watch this.

https://www.google.com.ng/url?url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DP9Iw9ftSVp4&rct=j&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj5s53co-jUAhXQhrQKHbNvAUEQuAIINjAH&q=Manchester+City+vs+Queens+Park+Rangers+2011/2012+YouTube&usg=AFQjCNEbKY3d6ew07lYwbiImUAfSpD089Q