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TheGoodJoe:
Falcao was in terrible form at Chelsea and Manchester United. What did you want us to do, call him Suarez? If he improves, we say he has improved. The fact is that Chelsea preferred an unfit Falcao to Solanke.

Icon4s:
@ Forgiveness,

For your Attacking Midfielder/Supporting strikers.

You put in this pool: Alex Iwobi, Kelechi Iheanacho, Oghenekaro Etebo, Abdul Ajagun, Rabiu Ibrahim. I would also include Sone Aluko and Mikel Obi as part of the pool of AMs.

I have already picked Iheanacho as my preferred CF and Etebo as one of my first choice wingers. Alex Iwobi would be my first pick here.

Mikel has done creditably well in that AM position but I still prefer him in a more central midfield role. Sone Aluko was my first choice AM before Oliseh came and brought Silvester Igboun. I was one of those that seriously complained abt Aluko's exclusion, But Iwobi is here now and Aluko has to be second choice for me. If Etebo is to play this role I would also prefer him over Aluko.

As for Ajagun, the comepetition for that position is such that and I dnt see Rohr or any of the coaches considering him for now. The fact also that all the players listed in this pool can play that AM role in addition to 1 or 2 other positions. Iwobi, Aluko, Mikel, Iheanacho are Etebo all utility players that bring more to the team apart from the AM role. Rabiu Ibrahim is like a kabu-kabu that you kick start and when you engage to drive it switches off again. No chance for him.

We typically play a 4-5-1 and if we need to switch to a 4-4-2 we consider a supporting striker. This is a position Iheanacho, Success and Etebo can play wella. Ahmed Musa can also play as an SS.

TheGoodJoe:
Dig which comment. Falcao was not in form and was not fit. Yet, Chelsea preferred him to Solanke. Is there anything wrong in this statement?

Icon4s:
@ Forgiveness

For your center forward position.

You put in this pool: Aaron Samuel, Brown Ideye, Sadiq Umar, Olanrewaju Kayode, Fenan Adi. I would add to this pool Odion Ighalo and Kelechi Iheanacho.

In a typical 4-5-1 formation which we know the national team has come to be very comfortable and conversant with only one center forward plays.

My pick here is Kelechi Iheanacho.
I place Ideye and Ighalo as joint second choices but closely followed by Kayode. Then Adi comes next. Sadiq is young and may not be able to compete with the older boys for now. But he is for future consideration. I put him in the same pool with Victor Osimhen, Taiwo Awoniyi, Chidera Ezeh and Kingsley Michael.

TheGoodJoe:
Please, no oone condemned Falcao but pointed out that Chelsea preferred an unfit Falcao to Solanke. I wonder how Falcao scoring City has anything to do with Solanke.

Icon4s:
@ Forgiveness,

Starting with your Left and Right Wing players.

I would personally put them in a pool of wingers. Reason being in today's football, wingers alternate positions during the course of a game. They also alternate with the central attacking midfielders.

You listed in this pool Victor Moses, Simon Moses, Isaac Success, Ahmed Musa, Imoh Ezekiel, Sone Aluko and Noel Joel Sarenren Bazee .
I would add to this pool Alex Iwobi and Oghenekaro Etebo (these are wingers too).

My starting wings choices if Iwobi would play the AM role would be Etebo and Moses. If Etebo plays the midfield role he played against Algeria then Iwobi and Moses are by far my first choice. Ahmed Musa and Moses Simon come next in my rating. I would personally want to include Isaac Success in the pool of strikers and would prefer to see Aluko in the central AM position.

As for Imoh the squad is too loaded for him to break in for now and as for Noel Bazee, I am not the type that rate or hype a player I dnt know so well.

Icon4s:
Firstly before I do any rating or ranking of SUPER EAGLES PLAYERS FIGHTING FOR POSITION I would expunge those names I bolded.

Reason you and I know very well. Their nationality issues have not been sorted out, Until then....

I would nt plan to work based on what I dnt have.

Icon4s:
There is no sincerity in ur list of you don't consider Emmanuel Daniel as part of our young goalie prospects.

Icon4s:
This is a very realistic list. Not the type of fantasy list forgiveness keeps rolling out

Icon4s:
You guys should forget about this kind of formation now.

Suggest what is more feasible jare.

goldfish80:
Reading paid a club record fee of a whooping 3.5M for the straw man while Liverpool lost more than 50% of the investment they made on the same player

I get am before no be property na ... Ndidi, Success and Ademola where busy building themselves up while Sporting Lisbon carry bad market drop for Liverpool hand am sure Mino Raoila hand dey for that transfer
Today, this same player is worth 5 times less than his age mates

Ndidi na attacker abi?


Thiago is on the same level as Semi Ajayi

goldfish80:
A club's transfer record in 2017 stands at 3,5M and you're shouting
You no dey shame to type this? kai!
Watford paid 12M for Isaac Success while Leicester paid 15M for Ndidi. These guys are Thiago's age mates oh
Everton nko? They paid Charlton 12M for 19yr old Lookman
And you're celebrating Thiago ILORI's 3M move

Stam is a nobody as far as coaching is concerned. Yes Henry was an apprentist at Arsenal. He was working to get his Uefa coaching licence while on the job as an assistant.
Wenger asked him to step down working as a Sky pundit because he can't be working with the players during the week while criticising them on match day on TV.
Stam was also on the same Uefa Pro license pursuit, his studies took him to Ajax as reserve team coach then at Southampton as an under study to Koeman.
These experiences qualifies a candidate for Uefa Pro license. Its like an internship programme

You should be paying me for these info I dey download give you

komekn:
What do you term successful?

If you have a successful loan period the club try to buy you. indeed you will have several clubs interested. This is a reflection of a very successful and impressive loan spell.

If Bordeaux thought he was so good why didn't they buy him or the other twenty clubs in the French league that watched him have a SUCCESSFUL loan period.

He came back not wanted at Liverpool because nobody else wanted him.

Like I said before I've watched him up close and personal, NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Consider Lukaku first loan spell at West Bromwich and the rest is history

komekn:
What do you term successful?

If you have a successful loan period the club try to buy you. indeed you will have several clubs interested. This is a reflection of a very successful and impressive loan spell.

If Bordeaux thought he was so good why didn't they buy him or the other twenty clubs in the French league that watched him have a SUCCESSFUL loan period.

He came back not wanted at Liverpool because nobody else wanted him.

Like I said before I've watched him up close and personal, NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Consider Lukaku first loan spell at West Bromwich and the rest is history

komekn:
Forgiveness,

In most matters statistics are indicators not absolutes to rely on them entirely is misleading.

Nobody knows anybody which gives this forum great credibility in my opinion. The things I say here I cannot say with my name attached to it without causing myself a whole heap of trouble if not downright litigation.

Forget the stats. Some cold facts Klopp has limited contact with Ilori relying on reports from the U23 coaches. Liverpool fc training ground at Melwood is probably 7/8 miles away from the Kirkby training ground of the academy. So unless he proves himself credible and capable na U23 he go dye rotten.


You may think I don't know much, because I am anonymous. But I do match and player analysis and I have seen Ilori play live several times. And for me he was well packaged. He simply not good enough for Eagles, end d tory.


Forget Stam you don't know what went on to make the deal happen and or the clauses and intricacies of the contract with the appended payment terms. I remember when Wenger was conned to buy the useless Francis Jeffers the rest is history. Stam buying him for £10 or £10 million doesn't make him good this is football business.

He has been well over taken not by one but by several teenagers who were literally in thier nappies when he came to Liverpool. Sorry to say but as Igbo man go say, leave matter, Bad Market



By the way spent the last week at PSV infact still here now, one of Stam's former clubs you could say the club that made him and with a few of thier coaches and thier approach is quite interesting with regard to these matters.

One other matter Villa where the whipping boys of the premiership last season and of the FA cup by championship sides and even lower. Basically Villa were Rubbish last season and deserved to go down and they are know where near to coming up lying 17th in the championship and 6 points off relegation.

goldfish80:
A manager in his first managerial season is still cutting his teeth.
You cannot use him as a reference point when making a judgemental call on a player whose career have nosedived from the he heights of being a super kid to being relegated to the U23s
His time at Ajax was more like an internship, just like Henry was at Arsenal .

Icon4s:
You guys should forget about this kind of formation now.

Suggest what is more feasible jare.

goldfish80:
Frank De boer was the manager of Ajax. Japp Stam just tagged along as his lackey or side kick.
We know Jap Stam the player, we no sabi Jap Stam the coach

goldfish80:
For all their stars Aston Villa still went on relegation, conceeding 65+ goals. I will have to check of they broke the Premier league recoded goals conceded
A fit Thiago Ilori made Zero (0) appearances for such a wack team
It's between Aston Villa and Derby County team of 2008 I think as the worst premiership team of all time

Which cup final did Aston Villa make last season biko?

Nwa teacher don't teach nonsense abeg

GoodBuhari:
How do you expect me to read all these at once?

I prefer the You break it down whaaaaat

Na project work? I beg oga you can as well break it as theGoodjoe does.

You guys are doing a wonderful job here. Hope aren't offended at my observation?

Thanks.



hahahahahahahhah! no problem oga.

goldfish80:
I have no affiliation with Aston Villa. Am not concerned with whom they buy.
For the sake of this argument, a fit Thiago Ilori did not make a single appearance for a team who conceded more than 65 goals

Tim Sharewood didn't consider him good enough to play for him, Remi Garde didn't consider him good enough, Jurgen Klop didn't consider him good enough and so far he has barely played for Jap Stam.

Talk about Stam, yes he was a big strong defender in his days but as a manager, he is yet to make a name for himself. Abi I lie?

goldfish80:
He had as much success at Bordeaux as Abou Diaby had at Arsenal.
You should be the one paying me for bursting your myth about Thiago Ilori

goldfish80:
I have no affiliation with Aston Villa. Am not concerned with whom they buy.
For the sake of this argument, a fit Thiago Ilori did not make a single appearance for a team who conceded more than 65 goals

Tim Sharewood didn't consider him good enough to play for him, Remi Garde didn't consider him good enough, Jurgen Klop didn't consider him good enough and so far he has barely played for Jap Stam.

Talk about Stam, yes he was a big strong defender in his days but as a manager, he is yet to make a name for himself. Abi I lie?

goldfish80:
Weather injuries caused him to miss the greater part of the season or not the bottom line is that he has been on a decline.
It's just like praising Abou Diaby for having a good season which he only played 8 games.

Of course he is a professional footballer, if he does not have abilities, he should be flipping burgers at Mc Donald's.
Or working as a customer care rep at the mall.

The question I raised about his abilities arises from the fact that Jurgen Klopp does not even fancy him good enough for a bench role in the first team when he recovered from injury.
You cannot give the excuse that Klopp is not a youth friendly coach. Already this season players as young as 18 and 17 have made the Liverpool match day squad.
If Thiago was so good, why didn't he make any appearances for that rubbish Aston Villa side who conceded goals like it was going out of fashion?

If na like this you dey teach, non of your students will pass Primary school entrance examination

goldfish80:
Well let's say I know zero, absolutely nada like you said about football. But it's obvious you're doing a damn wack job teaching me football by trying to make me believe playing 12 games in a football season represents having a good season.

In my limited football knowledge I know the Aston Villa team of last season were the worst side ever in the Premiership. A side which could only manufacture just 28 clear cut chances all season.
A side which conceeded 65+ goals all season?
Thiago Ilori for all the love you show him could not make 1 appearance for such a team is depressing to say the least.

For someone who claims to know football to rate this kind of team is absolutely shocking to an olodo like me

Prove to me that Bordeaux wanted Thiago back but he preferred signing for Championship side Reading.

I challenged you to name CBs whom Stam have trained to stardom, since you want to play the all knowing Japp Stam card but you haven't or you couldn't
Teacher no teach me nonsense

goldfish80:
Well let's say I know zero, absolutely nada like you said about football. But it's obvious you're doing a damn wack job teaching me football by trying to make me believe playing 12 games in a football season represents having a good season.

In my limited football knowledge I know the Aston Villa team of last season were the worst side ever in the Premiership. A side which could only manufacture just 28 clear cut chances all season.
A side which conceeded 65+ goals all season?
Thiago Ilori for all the love you show him could not make 1 appearance for such a team is depressing to say the least.

For someone who claims to know football to rate this kind of team is absolutely shocking to an olodo like me

Prove to me that Bordeaux wanted Thiago back but he preferred signing for Championship side Reading.

I challenged you to name CBs whom Stam have trained to stardom, since you want to play the all knowing Japp Stam card but you haven't or you couldn't
Teacher no teach me nonsense

goldfish80:
Since his loan spell at Bordeaux was so successful why did Liverpool confine him to their U23s when he came back?
Why didn't he make a single appearance for a rubbish Aston Villa team?
Why didn't 19 other premiership managers consider him good enough to get a look in? Who wouldn't want to have a world class centre back at just £3M?
Why didn't Bordeaux come back for his services since he had a lovely time out there?
How many CBs have Japp Stam discovered and turned into world class?

Questions, questions, questions

goldfish80:
Of all the clubs in the Premiership, no one thought about getting this quality defender at a bargain price of £3M, it is Jap Stam in the championship
What is Jap stams antecedents as a manager sef?

Remember, those 12 appearances at Bordeaux included sub appearances. If you want me to dig, I can pull out his data and I can bet my last card he no play more than 700minutes put together

goldfish80:
Oga, Thiago Ilori made 12 appearances for Bordeaux, subs included and later made Zero appearance for Aston Villa while on loan there.
Weather you admit it or not, it doesn't chance the fact that Thiago Ilori has been on steady decline over the past few years. And he currently, he does not have the chops to replace any of our CBs.

It's quite shocking and totally desperate of you to put this guys name in a list of Super Eagles probables when his form has been patchy and his Nigerian heritage is down to his grand father's since his dad is British and his mom Portuguese.

goldfish80:
Well Robben had a successful Chelsea career, if not for injuries he would have done much more but his performances were at least enough for Chelsea to make about 120% ROI.
He was bought for €18M and sold €35M. You can hardly put his situation to Ilori which Liverpool recorded a 50% loss

If his loan spell at Bourdeax was successful, Liverpool would have been mad to push him to their glorious U23s.

Omeruo already had a decent spell at the Championship, if he fancied staying back in the championship,he would have. I reckon Besiktas and celta Vigo put in a bid for him.
Which decent club considered Baresi Ilori? Reading of course for a whopping fee of 3M

His age mate Ndidi moved from the "obscure" Belgian league to Leicester for 15M.