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shadeyinka:
Let me help you a little to comprehend this.

Lets assume you through a time machine was transported into the year 2030 and you found Nigeria in a bloody civil war which killed 75% of the population through their use of both chemical and biological weapons. Let's assume the war was precipitated because Nnamdi Kanu was executed by Buhari unjustly.

Back to 2017, you now know the future...and Despite all your warnings...

Do you think it would be right for people to blame you if Buhari actually executed Nnamdi Kanu. Are you responsible for the war? Did you orchestrate the war?

SO, YOU SEE THAT FOREKNOWLEDGE IS NOT THE SAME AS PREDESTINATION.

If Buhari had chosen not to Execute KANU, the catastrophe could have been averted. What you pre-saw
when you time traveled to 2030 was a product of Buharis choices NOT yours.

Again... What's the use of fore knowledge if u cannot use it. Since u know that God has fore knowledge, please tell me what he does with it.

I used the teacher example and i see u pretended u didn't even see it. However u brought up an example were u gave me the ability to time travel to 13 years from now... Before i respond to that also attribute such abilities as... All powerful, all loving, and all ominieverything assigned to God. I will tell u how i will handle the kanu and buhari scenario.
In my teacher​-student example i even describe how the issue can be resolved. But u jumped and and brought up urs in a way that makes it seems like the only power God has is just to sneak into the future.

Is he not the creator?
Didn't he know before creating?
Didn't he have good intentions?
Does the suffering of the weak and helpless not affect him?
The ability to see the future must have a function, what is the function of this ability?

What you have just described is your ABSOLUTE freedom of CHOICE. If God gave you a freewill, then, with your will, you should be free to Reject Him. And God should honour your will. So that separated you will be from Him eternally. Your choice.

God allowed evil so that His own by their Choices will reject evil and choose Good and Love. Volition MUST be tested.

If a tree produces good sweet fruit in a bad environment, when transplanted to a good environment, what kind of fruit will it produce?

Conversely, if a tree produces thorns and poisons in a bad environment, what happens when it is transplanted to a good environment?

So also, when a human being choose a life of Love for God and Man in an evil world and ends up in paradise will he become evil?
And when a man lives a life Devoid of Love for God and Man with Evil is taken to paradise will he become good?

What's the function of fore knowledge in the midst of choice and freewill.
What does he intend to achieve with free will. Free will has not made the world a better place.
Is free will just for accepting and rejecting a creator we have never seen. Is the choice of rejection bad if i am born in a Moslem home and despite ur preaching, i look at my background and decide,based on what i have been told, that islam is right, Jesus is not the son of God because trinity does not make sense?
The free will u use in rejecting Mohammed is the freewill a Moslem will use in rejecting Jesus is the son of God.

What's my point..U speak of free will as if it is not determinant on other factors. There is home training, biological and psychological factors, all affecting the choice an individualvidual will make in accepting Ur idea of God.
Is God going to consider other things? Or will he just focus on free will which, obviously has not turned out good for the world?

shadeyinka:
Aren't you fixed within time space?

If God knows that you will eat rice tomorrow, it simply means that God knows what your final ultimate choice will be as per food.

You are however free to make your independent choice. The bottom line is that your choices had been foreseen.

If anyone does not live in our time-space, he can know know every event past, present and future.



Whatever your final choice is is what had been foreknown.

that's the problem man, my choice being known before i make them... how is that really my choice if i cant change what was known. am kainda bound by what is known.
Then there is the part where the same person who knows by future bad chioce even before i make them gets angry and surprise when i make the choice he knows.

you used the teach students angle to explain things.. i think the example was not complete.

if a teacher knows the students that will default, the time and kind of ill behaviour... dont you think the school will be much better? He will make a move to hinder this bad choice.. either by taking the right step talk the student, taking off those who will be affected by his ill behaviour, or ensuring he does not gets into the school in the first place. I mean, whats the use of knowing when it does not change anything, whats he doing with this foreknowlegde.

He just enjoys all these powers. forknowledge, omini everything, almighty, yet the world is a shitty place... lucifer is running around and running the show with a small borrowed power... God is all these STRONG THINGS yet we have people like me WHO STILL DON'T BELIEVE HE EVEN EXISTS. I doubt man, I doubt... enough of these excuses for God.

shadeyinka:
Foreknowledge is very different from predestination.

Foreknowledge is like watching a Movie the 3rd or 4th time. You can predict what the actors would do at any time yet, you didn't write their script.

Predestination however is like a Movie Script Writer/Director who decided what each actor will say even before he casts them.

Did God know that Adam will Fall? Yes (Foreknowledge)
Did He predestin it? No! (Else Adam will not be not guilty of any sin).

The issue of Jesus coming was both a foreknowledge and predestination affair. Why? It has nothing to do with mans choices but Gods choice.

It is really amazing to me to watch u spew all these with so much confidence.

Let me ask u...
If God knows I will eat rice tomorrow, there a possibility that i can use my choice of freedom to eat beans.

shadeyinka:
You are too quick to judge.

Last 2 weeks ago, a phone was stolen from the alter in the church. It brought the question,:

Are there "Christian thieves" in the Church?
How many are Real Christians in the church?

If you think my perception is to harsh, what is yours?
99% rapturable?

May an atheist came in and stole the phone

dingbang:
the fact that people are dead is because the spirit of death is out there.. The devil comes not only to steal, but to kill and destroy.

If it is the spirit of death that is responsible for taking life, shouldn't he be the one we should thank him for not taking our own?
Why are we thanking God instead when he has watched the spirit of death kill millions or billions over the years without stopping it. God should over come spirit of death then we will look at history, see that spirit of death had actually gone, trust me, the way i will thank God eh, he will be feeling glike kemen when he won head of house in big brother Naija.

Moreover, death is not final.. Its just a path to meet the lord to another life.

Glad this is coming from the same u who is asking me to thank God for being alive.
Why are we thanking God for this miserable life when he has better plans for us after death. Shouldn't we be begging him to kill us all and hasten our passage to meet him biko

dingbang:
please don't misunderstand me.. Whatever I wrote is what is based in the bible.. Did I write that he doesn't show mercy to everyone?

In the bible it is written that he shows mercy to whomever he pleases and that he gives air to breathe to everyone both wicked and good.

If you think God is partial den why d fvck are you still alive.. Mchew.. Do you even fvcking think you are holy enough to stand in his presence?


Your thinking shows that you are ungrateful..

Easy bro... I was just trying to understand u bro.


If my being alive means God is merciful... Does it mean that the fact that some people are dead means he is merciless?

dingbang:
God ain't partial.. But showeth mercy to whomever he chooses.

U said God is not partial but went ahead to say he shows mercy to whomever he pleases, not to all. Isn't that partiality?

Both the wicked and the righteous breath the same air.. Are you telling me now that he isn't merciful? Hmm..

Ya right.. some are dead some are alive, as they all breathing the same air? Is that not partial?

Besides how does the presence of air show that God is merciful. He created humans and thought air was necessary for their survival and u say that makes him merciful.
So because petrol was made as a necessity for car to move well that mean humans are merciful to cars for making petrol?

fasterwell:
1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross
is foolishness to those who
are perishing, but to us who
are being saved it is the
power of God.

You see your life now? You called me a deluded idiot because i said what i saw which didn t go down well with you. But i am not and can never be perturbed because i know your type and the path you belong.

So u expect us to believe something u saw in ur dream? If everybody starts sharing their dreams and call it reality i am sure we will all be running in different directions.
You either didn't see anything or what u saw is just ur mind playing tricks on u... Stop selling it as fact, it makes u sound like a mad man.

See you see Michael Jackson. someone you couldn't even go near the people he knew, now that he said dead you are seeing him up and down in hell.
Why didn't ur God send you to him to warn him when he was alive? If you couldn't talk to him when he was alive, u have no business seeing him now that he is dead.
So have u seen all ur generations that are supposed to be in hell? Watin concern u concern Michael Jackson?

A88C:
there is this saying that if you can not convince a naive mind for five minit . you can not do it for five centuries. the logic behind the story,of the drunken driver refuted your claim.until you can come with a single argument to debunk it. if not i will consider it as a part of self defeating.

What ideology? I am lost here , perhaps u can help me here.i am only here to disprove Ur claims and in so doing i will give u examples to show Ur claims are not realistic.

which idealogy？ you forget so soon,let me quickly remind you.you were of the veiw that,the victim of the accident both passenger and the innocent girl should have been able to avoid the casualty if they trully have the freewill which i counter argue that it will amount to sorcery if that is the case. in this way you defeat your own logic.

That's not my ideology... It's a question posed to fault ur freewill and choice ideology. Ur counter with the sorcery angle is actually u refuting Ur own free will idea. So that's already settled.

i repaeat again no ultimate value and hope if your life is to simply live by your desire alone,what will be the significance of a life you live to die and end up as a worm in the grave？it will be total useless.

Ok... At the end of the day it changes nothing. It does not stop me from living a love filled happy life just like u. So all these ones u are talking is just ur wish simply because i don't subscribe to ur God idea.

you determine your own personal life？ i see your concept of belif is what causes self center,all for me alone ,i dont care attitude becuse no good moral value is consider. all you live for is just your personal desire and not on divine instruction. this your attitude is what is causing problem in our society today. the rapist,killer and sort of criminal do not care about other so far what they do satisfy their personal desire.

I have never raped or killed anyone before despite my concept if belief. So u are just throwing stones to the wrong house. Boko haram are Muslims who subscribe to ur concept of believe.
I am emphatic and living becasue that is the life i chose and not because an ancient books as me to. Sorry u just failed here, u can't accuse me of what am not.

how is it self defeating to you？ it is self defeating becuse it center all on your personal selfishness and not base on any moral value.

I am a highly moral person, even if i am in a bus and the conductor forgets to take my money, my type will ensure i remind him and give him his money. If i forget, that money goes to charity. I am only selfish when it's necessary... I am not interested in any God, because they are fake. I am my own God.

you still repeat the gabbage again, ok let say for the sake of argument explain it better than what i just posted？diffrence between reason and why？ i do not provide any personal reason majority choose to take the wrong side of the free-will. what i presnted so far is what is generally acceptable unless you want to denial it.

Oga why is the world merciless.... If u don't have the answer tell me u don't know.

you are twisting the question now. first it was why is the world merciless ,now it is give,me the reason world is merciless. why are you doing this？ do you want to argue or learn？ as for me i argue while learning.

Why is the world merciless.... Give me a reason why the world is merciless.if u don't understand English i cant help u. Just answer the question.

you failed to tell me the difrence between why and reason. you are referring me to google but i do justice to it even without consulting google.have i commited an error here？

There is not difference here, i see u are trying to avoid the question. Once some ask u why something happened, it is the same thing with trying to find out the reason.
Chose anyone, they are the same to me.
Why is the world merciless
Give me the reason the world is merciless.
Just don't give me example.

At least you agree 1 over 10 logic is a nice idea（self defeating）do not say it is not possible becuse it has not been practiced，you couild only argue it after it is apply and failed to correct its purpose， you are repeating this concept of scarcity too much， where do you learn it from， is it a book or your understanding， i need to correct you on this，resources are abundantly available ， some have about,100percent,of what should belong,to both of us，it is happening in your country and likewise mine，and you know that， the reason of scarcity is simply becuse of your personal comcept SELF DESIRE INTSTEAD OF DIVINE INSTRUCTION， there is much abundant of ALLAH blessing for ,mamkind but the self desire ones has keep it to themselves alone，

Ok, when ever u and Allah achieve this fake dream, u let me know.
However, i maintain it is not possible, that's why it has never been achieved, until then, u are just a dreamer.

what question again，it is not necceasry you accept my response， all i know is that justice has been done to it，it is left for you to take or reject，

the question,has been answer in full. take it,or reject it. you have the free-will.

It hasn't been answered... However u have already used the sorcery excuse to show that we actually don't have any freewill from any creator. Free will is just an illusion... We only have our brain to work with. As humans no matter how intelligent we are, we are still limited to some certain things. Just like the strong lion is limited, that's how the intelligent man is limited. We only cash into chance and opportunities, and are helpless to situations that is more than us.
No creator is anywhere dishing out free will. We are just on our own trying to manipulate the world we find ourselves.
Again if the innocent young girl cannot decide what happens to her in a rape situation, free will is useless.
I drop my pen.
Have a great day.

Fourwinds:
look I don't have any business with what ever a pastor says....do u think I'm d type dat fiollows every thing coming from pastors.?

I'm talking about what a child should not be expose to not a pastor's directive

No one is asking for u to follow any pastor.if you didn't believe the obviously fake story me and we you wouldn't be arguing.

Why are u even bothered about what a little kid is exposed to. Good parenting is what a child needs. If u understand the chemistry of a child between 3 to 6 u wouldn't be bothering about him being exposed to his mother's nudity. These things are not his concern at that age.

U don't need to run helter skelter over things that does not matter. At that age he is more of playing, and playing and not bothering about his own safety. That's what u should watch out for. At the age he can easily hurt himself.

The problem with us is that we don't even understand what good parenting is, we just join the band wagon and get alarmed over things that don't matter.

Why in the world should any normal learned parent be bothered about a four years old boy being exposed to his mum's nudity. He is a four year old for god's sake.


Good bye... Am off this f**king illiterate thread.

Fourwinds:
a child does not learn every thing at a particular age...as he or she grows., d parents will keep educating him or her...

Good

how do u teach a child of four years dat what she or he uses to pee is also use for another thing...but once she or he comes of age then u educate her or him...

A four year old is a four year old... Whatever questions he asked, no matter what he sees, i will answer him like a four year old he is.

there are things u don't expose to a toddler at a certain age because u feel he or she is innocent...even d west dat we copy don't expose a child of such age to porns...they will classify it has child abuse and explotation...

so there is time for every thing

A toddler is just a toddler... His lack of understanding of what is exposed to him is his weakness.

What the world needs is a caring father and an understanding mother. People who follow up their kids...Leave all these stories... A parent way their mind de there, will always know the right time to put their child in other.
Leave all these lies from pastors... A four year old is the easiest to control no mater what he sees...Just make ur mind de there as. Parent.

yemimajid:
is religion doing a good job convincing these influential and powerful criminal that robbery is bad.. I doubt it.. when you don't have empathy or compassion, religion cannot stop anything bad that you feel like doing... you as an example, when you think, don't let me steal that stuff, look deeper, it is because you have empathy, nd feel for the real owner, not because you are a Muslim or Christian.. or aren't there Christian thieves, or Moslem ones?

Pls tell him...If possible, quote this again.

Fourwinds:
I hope u will be able to explain to d child what she or he doesn't have and she or he is seeing it in ur private part...

who is d person dat will commit suicide.? I'm only educating u on things u cannt deduce...use ur head next time

Lol...

On a serious note, if my four years old sees my wife wee wee and does not ask childish questions, i will question the intelligence of the child. Don't worry I have the right answer for him because i know the question is normal.

Do u think the question is normal? I mean for a 4 year old of course. Considering i already know u think it is wrong for a four year old to ask innocent questions. It is wrong just because it has to do with sex and private parts.

I know ur kind think private part things is a taboo, but meanwhile they are in ur body.

Fourwinds:
can see y I said u are not normal because u don't even know ur ailment...

right from onset I never said such a child has sexual feelings but rather I said such a child will ask question when u undre..ss in front of him or her...

but like I said due to unstatble grey matter in ur head., u cannt comprehend such simple statement.



can u see y u need doctor(s) urgently.


it is very necessary u see them to put u in d right state

Ok...I don gree. No go commit suicide for my case.

But what is wrong with a child asking questions... Sorry oooo am just asking, i know that i am not normal.

Fourwinds:
u don't know u need ur brain checked...since u are unaware of d present state of ur mind...seriously u are required at d hospital to enhance d performance of ur brain...it will help to understand this present generation

Okay,i will go to the hospital. I will go and check my brain . Perhaps they can tell me why i should understand that a four year old can have sexual feelings.

Fourwinds:
rapist.! rapist.!! rapist.!!!

u are block headed who don't understand simple statement....


u are needed in d hospital...

ur deraged senses requires operation in ur brain...


as stupid and foolish as u are, u don't know ur generational age...

little wonder hospitals are after u to check on ur brain

Lol

Abeg no go commit suicide becasue of online battering...

But seriously u need help, jokes apart.

Fourwinds:
u are not normal... I can see dat in u....go back and read what I wrote...I never mentioned any thing dat has to do with d child masturbating... I only said it is not advisable to dress infront of a child because as a child there is diffrence between their private parts and dat of an adult. . so meaning they are likely to ask questions...

but ur block head resulted in name calling...u must be d pervert here...any little thing d conclusion is pervert...

like I said u are. not normal ...u need medical attention

Pervert pervert! Pervert!!!
I have exposed u.
A four year old is too young not to UnCloth before him. He might recognise and ask inoccent foolish question. What's wrong with that?
I once have a young niece who insisted she wanted to stand and pee like her brother, she was between 3 and 4... I guess to you because of this action, girls between 3 and four should not be allowed to see the unclothedness of their fellow male age mates too.

I already said u need help, go and get it.

A88C:
you dont know does not mean is not real, failure to acknowledge reality does not mean it is absence. again the concept of the drunken driver can refute what you mean by what choice does the innocent girl has.

I don't know what? I don't think the first line is a response to anything i posted.
Pls answer my question...If u say the creator gave us the gift of choice...What choice did the guy who unknowingly enters a drunken driver's car or a young innocent girl have at the time she got molested by a man older and stronger than her. Just answer.

at least you agree knowing an event before it occur is not possible becuse it will amount to sorcery. again and again the concept of a drunken driver and innocent passenger refute your idealogy.

Which my ideology? My ideology here is that no creator gave us anything like choice... The ideology in question is ur claim that creator gave us choice, hence my question... What choice did the rape or accident victims have?

you said you dont subscribe to a divine purpose on earth right.i see the strenght of your logic here.there is no ultimate,value and hope if your life is to simply live by your desire as you rightly put it and later end up in the grave. it will simply mean all what you do and aspire have no value. therefore it does not matter if you love your family as you stated or strive for them.

How does it not matter? Which hat did u pull this nonsense logic from? Do i not feel pain? Do i not feel emotionally hurt when my loved once are hurt? So u think because i don't care about any Ultimate value, therefore​ i will not feel pain and will not be affected by the hurt of my loved ones?
What has Ultimate value got to do with my emotions as human?
I don't subscribe to any after life anything, the life i know is this one and i try to make it as happy as i can, how? By enjoying myself the best way i can, by loving passionately, but seeing smiles in the face of my loved ones... All these have nothing to do with any after life for me.

even your computer or phone you use in typing has a purpose. most of the inanimate object do. what about you？

I determine my own purpose... What's ur point?

accepting no purpose of life rather than to take care of yourself and your love one is a self defeating.

How?

good you are now defeating yourself so if you do concider the usefulness of sample test why dont you recongnised it in my evidence. or you do it simply because you,want to,argue. a reason why a telivision work is simply becuse it has an engine that was built purposely for it to work. example of working telivision are samsung, lg and panasonic. do not buy toshiba product becuse it does not work properly. what i just do here is to strenghten the importance of sample wben you want to make a case.yes that is how a good school should ask question. you have to give a reason as to why it is. i see you are having a challange here.

Like i said if u don't know the difference between example and reason, use Google.
After using it, tell me the reason u think humans are heartless, selfish , and evil to each other. Don't give me example of wicked human... From ur own reasoning , why are humans evil.

funny. you want me to give you why without a reason. in this junction let me enlighthen you a little in grammar there is no two word that are the same,they make look similar but they are not the same. if i give you why i should be able to give you reason. for example. why do student failed the recent exam？ my why. becuse they did not study.my reason. study is very difficult for student especially during examination period.hope you understand what i mean here.

Pls i don't know if this post is for another... I have never asked to give me the "why" without "reason" (whatever that means). I said give me reason and not example. Gosh!!!!!
Give me REASON why humans are evil, don't give me EXAMPLE of evil humans... Which one is why without reason again?

it has never been achieved becuse it has never been used. a society that adopt it will benefit from it. why is it pratical？it is becuse the logic behind it is sound for example a community of about 10 where the rich are just two and the remaning are poor.if the two,rich people,should donate 1 over 10 of their weath to the remaning 8 poor. it will,mean each poor people will have 0.0125 of the rich man wealth.hence that will put stop to a poverty.

Yes it's a nice idea,but it is not possible and that's why it has never been achieved in any human society. So keep on dreaming. Means of survival is limited...Tell Allah to solve that first instead of asking the rich to give their hard earned earning to the poor

apology accepted. but you have also failed to reason logically with my the case of the drunken driver and innocent victim.

Answer my question in that above

the case of the drunken driver and innocent,passenger is enough to give a logical meaning to that reason.

Go and read my question again and this time answer.

alBHAGDADI:
I don't know what to conclude concerning this, but i remember a similar incidence. A friend woke up to find a monkey strangling his neck in the middle of the night. His house wasn't even situated close to a forest or even a bush. As a matter of fact, he lives in one of those lekki estates. He struggled with the monkey, all of a sudden the monkey disappeared. No one believed his story the next morning, until he was bed-ridden in a hospital for 6months.

What's the title if this Bollywood series

Fourwinds:
u are foolish and big idiot...


u need medical attention....u must be suffering from brain damage to think kids don't ask questions at dat age....

u are a waste

Oga, it's not my fault u are a pervert who thinks a four years old is capable of sexual desires.

Who is talking about asking questions? I even explain some kind of innocent questions they could ask.

By the way what's wrong with a four year old asking questions?
I bet if a four year old ask u such questions u will take him to ur pastor for deliverance.

Pervert who thinks a four your old is capable of sexual thoughts... I pity any kid around you

hopefulLandlord:
Kudos to Frank317

My brother, these people cannot cease to amaze me. Once a wanna b pastors says any kind of rubbish, their brain goes to no thinking mode.

Imagine a four years old wanking... One is even saying when. A four year old plays with his wee wee, he is actually reminiscing on the unclothedness of an adult. The next thing they will tell us demon possessd a 3years old to rape his mother.

Fourwinds:
u are an idiot...a big one for referring to me as pervert.. u must be very stupid

if something is rite in ur eyes dat does mean is d same d way another sees it...

u lack home training if for u to reply me means u have to be nsultive

so when u go nak..ed means a child will not ask question except when u f**k in their presence...

just contradicting himself

What question will a child ask when he sees his mom naked? Mum why is ur wee wee looking so sexy?

If a four year old sees two naked adults making love, he will think they are fighting, and will want to know why they are not angry... Some kind of innocent thinking...

But to u sick pervert... When A four year old see tow adult making love, he is like.... Hmm spank her dad, spank that ass.

U are sick and u need help... Go get one before u molest a kid.

undisputedgbola:
You just showed how dumb you're by assuming and concluding based on one-sided perception!
You're there shouting 4years like a woman in labour pains...4gottn that this is not 60's nor 70's.....
Why do months' old baby know that phones are been placed on the ear?





Think Nigga!! Think!












Basis of my arguement is, because he's four years old doesn't go with your claim, that he's ignorant of what he 'saw' + the said 'boy' just narrated the story while he's now old...


It's only logical to ask this question; what if he isn't sure of his age back then?











Please lemme be..thanks

The story is a lie and only a fool can accept it.
I four years old has no business with a naked woman be it his mom or aunty. Pls before replying like a dumb ass, go an look at any four year old around u. You can't even remember things that happen to u at that age, that's why the story is false.
If u believe a four years old can mastubate then u are really sick.

A88C:
please do not let it pass, reason it critically or perhaps ask clever question as what is the way forward.

no need u are already giving urself away in your below posts.

you deserve the question by what you mean.being able to know an event before it occur is sorcery and not what has been bestow upon man. man as no freewill you claim？ i assume by your concept ,you can not diffrentiate what is wrong and right 。 i am not an animal . i am bless with that ability.

I know knowin events before it occurs is not possible, but when u say man has choice to determine what happens to him you cant be selective. You still have to explain what choice an innocent powerless young victim of a rape case has. explain it since u believe Allah gave us choice.

it is Strange that you take pride in asking questions and yet you have stop to ask the most important question WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE ON EARTH. the answer to this question alone wiill solve all the numerous question you have. if you still think our comming to this world is by chance then your life has no purpose beyound the fulfilment of your personal desire.consequently your desire become your god in which you obey and submit to instead of the most supreme GOD

i dont subscribe to a divine purpose on earth. I didnt reach any agreement with any being before i came here, i found my self here so i decide what my purpose will be based on who i have become over the years. my priority is me and my loved one and friends.My desire is provide for my myself, loved ones and future generation.
I have no supreme God.. i rather mu=y desire be my God than worship a God I have never been in contact with.
Even you that believe we didnt come here by chance and have a purpose have just been making up baseless theories of freedom of choice yet you cant answer specific questions that i have been asking. What really is the purpose of believing we didnt come here by chance? what does that do for u? it does not make u a better person than me in any way.

so you claimed the sample cases as no usefulness if they do not get the solution. am dissapointed you are debating these simple logic. getting the sample cases is a part of solving major sickness. how will the doctor be able to know for example between an appolo and eye river blindness. two blind patient might be facing diffrent symptoms. a good doctor is espected to match each symptoms of each blind patient with available data of any similar case before he could procced on administering drug or whatever.

i didnt say getting sample case is useless and u know i never said that... i just said if u are ask to give reason for something, u dont go about giving example of that thing. they are not the same thing.
Me: give me the reason why a television works
You: examples of televisions are: samsung tv, panasonic, and LG.
is that how questions are answered in ur school?
reason why something works is not the same as an example of that thing period.
i will not respond to this very baseless arguement again. if u dont know the difference between example and reason, then u have no business opening a thread to tell us about after life

you rush to school me as you claim.
i am not a novice of the medicine. i am recently working on an application called symptoms and disease database.

you mean i can not diffrentiate between between reason for something or giving sample for something. i dont get what you,mean you could have school me just like you school yourself on blindness.

yes, you cannot differentiate between reason and example. if you can, you wouldnt be giving me example of a meciless society when i asked of reason humans are merciless. yet you are arguing with me and calling my IQ low.

not a dream land. yes it is a a land of reality where everythying can be possible so far you want it and not by circumstances. the 1 over 10 percernt earning i gave as an example is a pratical fact. it will make the world a better place. i agree it with you some will still remain poor but more will be taken out of poverty and those who remain poor chooses to be poor where there is much oppurtunity. this logic further proof the essence of free will.

the exmple u gave is not a practical fact because it has never been achieved in human history just in ur head. If you are yet to understand that recources for living are scarce, how can u understand that what u propose is not possible.. continue in ur dream land and wait or the day all rich people will share their hard earning earnings with the poor. and good luck with that dream.

i am not interested to know if you drink beer or not. that is what you say to me and it is simply an insult. carrried away？ not at all. you failed to reason the logic out of my post. just so mch carried away with your interest

ok no vex,sorry for saying that.
I have given reason to logic the best way i ca and i am yet to understand why despite u saying we have freedom and choice, you cant explain why the innocent victim of a rape cant use that choice.

it is not about what is GOD doing about it. it is all about what choice of the will you have you have choosen to take after it has been given to you.

So what choice does an innocent rape victim have after it has been give to her? what choice of will did she have before she became over powered and raped? did she have choice at that time or not? or did the choice almighty God gave her run away? really of what purpose is choice when it becomes useless for such innocent rape victims?

undisputedgbola:
Mr THINKER! So what would you call the situation whereby he's handling his genital??













You think it's until you reach orgasm, that's masturbation?

u just proved u are a classical mumu... Every Kid fondles their genitals, especially male kids.
are you guys this sick? you think a 4 your old is capable of thinking about his naked mum and mustaabating? what kind of sick perverts are u guys? we are talking of a four year old! four years old!!!!

Fourwinds:
and so if u like UnCloth in front of kid and f**k in their presence dats ur business not mine

the only reason why i will not f**k in front of my four year old is because i wouldn't want to answer some embarrassing questions he would be innocently asking, not because i am scared he is going to molest our neighbors daughter after seeing us.

it is sad to see an old man like you thinking that a four your old is capable of catching feelings upon seeing the unclothedness of an adult or upon seeing two adults having sex. I think you are the one who is seriously a pervert for thinking this way of a four year old.

pls try and see a psychologist for help

A88C:
firstly i appreciate you accept you quoted me out of contest. i said your ability to end suffering and poverty lies in your palm and not your ability to suffer lies in your palm as you rightly correct。

ok, even though it still makes no sense to me, but i will let it pass

now to your question. why cant you do anything about the drunken driver or why cant the innocent 12 years old girl also avoid the rape if your abilities trully lies in your palm. do you know what you just mean, it is like asking a student who went on excursion and suddenly invove in anccident why could he not have known the accident will occur？ do you want him to practice sorcery before embarking on the,journey？ or you want the innocent girl to be pre -inform about the 30 years old man who is about to rape her.your logic,tantamount to magic and it is invalid.

i should be asking you that. it only shows that sometimes our choices are limited. sometimes we do not really have choice, we dont really have the freewill o control our lives and this makes me doubt it when u say Allah gave us choice. Now the big question is... what is Allah doing about those issues that are not our fault or situations we have no control over? why does he not intervene rather than just waiting to punish the perpetrator after death as u said in your OP.

you said i dont need to give example to back the reason why the world is merciless.
you come up with an example. stating that i can not provide cases of example of blind people to give reason for john blindness. this is very poor of you. in the field of medicine why other people are blind may give reason to why john is blind therefore a good doctor may use a sample case from other patient to acertain john blindness.

whats this? I didnt not come up with any example of why the world is merciless, I came up with reason why the world is merciless. U need to understand the difference between reason and example. perhaps try google
even if medical doctor bring up examples of other blind people, they cannot proffer a solution if they dont understand reason why people are blind. seriously should i stress this?

let me school u...
reason people are blind... infection, physical puncture of the eyeball, sickness like measles, over exposure to bright light.
example of blind people... Blind John, blind beggars on the street, Steve wonder,

see the difference.

i ask u why are people merciless and u give me example of merciless people. but i gave u my thought on why people are meciless and u call is an example... seriously?

so true your IQ is weak at least so far,the explanation you have given to counter my claim can be consider ilogical from a clever atheist like you.

isnt it funny? u cannot differentiate the difference between a reason for someting and an example of something... yet my IQ is weak... i agree. i don hear

how do you come with the philosophy proof that poverty can not end. let me tell you something pratically . if the few rich in our society can contribute 1 over 10 of their earning to the poor,the world will have been a better place. you may argue why should rich give to the pood and i will tell you that is the duty of everyone to care and show mercy and love to one another according to GOD law in respect of either you are poor or rich, weak or strong.

this is not a dream island. this is reality my brother.
means of survival is scarce. even if the rich shares just 1% of what they have with the poor, the poor will still be poor and will always need more. At a time the rich will stop giving and the struggle continues. Allah gave such a useless law after providing limited resources... didnt he know this was impossible given the state of things. the rich dont even satisfied enough to give out because they are not sure of tomorrow... what are u then saying?

you finally claim you have been arguing in civil way when you accused me of reasoning like someone in the beer parlour and so many insuilt i can not capture.

i repeat i have never insulted you in our chat, like i said quote me where i insulted you and i will apologise. saying u were reasoning like someone in beer palour implied that u were too busy and carried away to read and reply my post. I never intended to insult u. I take beer and cannot use my lifestyle as an insult to another.

back to the topic as you rightly stated. the logical explanation of the dunken driver is enough to deal with that so far you have been able to refute the logic crittically.

well, its either we have full choice or partial choice... if a drunk drivers choice affects my life without God given me the opportunity to use my gift of choice, then choice is actually limited hence the the question... what is God doing about situations we cannot implement our gift of choice to decide what happens to us?

Fourwinds:
sometimes I wonder how some of u reason here...let me ask u....can u drive 404 peugeot car in 2017.?

now u were referring to d days of our parents and forefathers...if I ask u to live in a mud house., d first question u will ask is., who is living in such house in d 21st century......So dressing in front of ur kids at this time is very wrong...take or leave it

i will not take it... i will leave it. I am sure u believe ur kids are perverted right from birth. Mine are not, and there is nothing wrogn with my wife undressing infront of my four years old kid. I dont care the kind of kids u have in ur environment. if you like wear condom at the sight of ur kinds that's really ur business

MrBrownJay1:
Then pls make your point clearer...

A) the issue IS about masturbation
B) why bring the issue of difference between adult private part and children's?

dont mind him... children have been seeing adults naked since the word go... the pastors lies will now make unclothedness a taboo. a normal four year old will see a naked adult and not even remember anything... he might be curios just like he is at everything and ask innocent questions, but when the child starts getting erection at the sight of his mums wee wee... then something is wrong with that generation.


soon they will tell us not to bath our infant new borns... they will soon designate specially blessed men of God to bath our kids for us

undisputedgbola:
And you've made sense abi

you believe a four years old can self-service? what would he release? do u even think?

Fourwinds:
now I can see u are dulling urself...my statement has a deep meaning and u couldn't comprehend....


ur emphasis is base on masturbation but I'm taking u away from there where u said adult shoulds dress infront of their kids and I said it wrong...if u know there is a different between adult private part and dat of a toddler then u will understand what I mean by CURIOSITY

oga, there is nothing wrong with adults undressing infront of kids. Stop treating unclothedness like its a taboo. it will become a taboo and u will still be the one screaming. if we stop kids from seeing naked people, do you know what u are turning them too? do you know how they will react when the eventually see a naked person?
you guys are the ones turning people to lesbians and homosexuals with ur over holy holy life style.

those days our fore fathers saw our fore mothers and sisters naked, these ladies walked around naked and no one molested them, but you religious folks came in and made the sight of a female breast and laps a taboo and that was how u created rapists.