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obinna58:
All this in order to prove ur God's perfection
What u have they is more of scientific explanation, it deals more with nature that beliefs, religion is about beliefs, if man created the errors themselves, it thereby shows that God has no connection to this earth.
Believers always makes this statement "let the will of God be done" if people can say such things then why are u mixing reality with beliefs.

God gives children as believed, does it mean that man now have the power to interfere with God's creations.
Thousands of people even those that av done more surgeries than Michael are living fine, including the particular baby that triggered the creation of this thread.

Ur explanation shows that God does not exist that we are the cause of our problems and God can't do anything about it except we.

Felixomor​ even went as far as telling me that God encoded in us the ability to alter and rebuild our system.

That is God coded a perfect DNA. Then encoded the ability to alter this DNA in us. Then also encoded the ability to repair our alterations. Lol, nothing way I no go hear for Nairaland.

I sometimes wonder what this God really wants. He sounds like a mad scientist.

davtosh:




As much as I love the way you presented your defence I want to put it to you that I never said all crimes are committed by atheists No.

There are millions of religious ppl on earth who are not only criminals but hardened Ones.

Thats a very Fat Fact.

What Im saying is atheist are more free to delve into crimes since nothing checks them except the earthly laws which of course you can always beat as a smart person.

But if you belive in A God that sees you in the darkest of corners where the eyes of the law of man cant see you then you are more cautious and careful.

I dont know of any other religion but the one I practice. which is True Christianity.
If you are a true Christian not those ritualists and half politician half priests you mentioned, you will always try to abstain from sins and crimes.

Happy Easter

But you don't get the point we have been trying to make. Try to be open minded and u wouldn't need to challenge any atheist.

What we have been trying to tell ya all is that... People don't indulge in criminal act becasue they are atheists or Christians. We have discovered that atheists, free from the laws of invisible Yahweh. No fear of Yahweh yet do not indulge in crime because we know it's wrong.

The fact is knowing wrong or right has nothing to do with Yahweh? Yahweh is not real, he is just imaginary. The day u quite worshipping this imaginary being that's the day u will realize u have been fooling yourself all these while, thinking he is the reason why u are not committing evil.

Remove Yahweh and u will find out u will still not commit evil.

Guy, u talk too much for a man

This shows u will never learn. U have been on Nairaland for how long now yet u are asking this kind of question.

Now look at how u are being lecture like a baby on something that have been said to u over and over again on this forum.

Tomorrow, u will still open another thread asking the same question.

I give up on u sha.

MZLady39:
Frank,
Really my brother
Like how in the world did you get that out of what I wrote?
I actually happen to call my younger real blood brother the nickname Obi (from his full name).
The first time you actually aren't being mean ...yet you've gone in the wrong direction

Wow, he is ur brother! Eyaaaaaa.

Anyway, I wasn't totally way off it. Perhaps I saw some affection between u two and my dirty mind saw it as some kind of romance rather than philia.
Aww, u guys are sweet.

Do I really sound mean? People say that a lot. I have been managing reports on training going on a cross Africa and every one thinks I am mean even my boss.

Honestly I don't like this. I feel bad about it because I really don't feel the meanness I exhum. Most times I do it out of clear mind. Now it seems like somethings I can't control.

I am getting married in a few months time, I hope this does not affect my marriage in the long run. I don't want to unintentionally hurt my wife... I want to win award of the best husband of the year, but how can I when everyone thinks I am mean

MZLady39:
Baby brother Obi,
This must be a mistake?? Moi? You mean you would like me to contribute (after what you told me a few days back)? Thank you baby brother..I'm humbled.
I may come back cause I thought about contributing...just depends on if I feel like debating...which most oftentimes, I don't.
You know how it goes.
I know how you guys love to set "traps" although that doesn't bother me in the least.
I knew doctor (Billy) would contribute.
Anyhow, I didn't want to be rude to you. Just thanking you for including me...

Ok, the two of u should get a room already

felixomor:
Eiya Soryy, if u felt trolled.
Thats how you sounded when you started doing argument by repetition (Repeating exactly the same sentence, without new evidence to make it sound true)
At least, in my talk, I have provided u links to back my talk.
I wish you could do same.

I am not sending any link. I can't be angry with a being i have never seen. There is no evidence of your God.

Who cares if God idea sounds foolish to you?
Have u forgotten this is "religious section"?
Imagine walking into a football viewing centre and shouting "Manchester United doesn't exist". Its mental illness, my dear.

You ain't seen nothing yet. U preach your God everywhere and when people question it you start crying.

I said "Accused" in quotes. in other words what you implied the word to mean is not what I meant.
I did not accuse you. But u perceived it as such.

Ok

You changed the topic, so I asked
And Sorry please where did I say I am afraid?
I am not like atheists who only have mouth where Christians are.

I didn't change any topic, I used Islam as an example and u started complaining even without replying.

YEs go up and read again
Someone brought up the topic of dying babies and abortion happens to be cases of dying babies.
But Alas, I know you will not see it.

No one did u just threw it in accusing atheist of aborting babies.
See how u brought abortion in below. See the post u responded to in red, see ur response in blue.


2,000 children die daily from disease, hunger and poverty. Where does your god come in?


Including the ones you wickedly abort ba?
God created the babies
Its your duty to take care of them.


what has 2000 kids dying in hunger and poverty got to do with abortion?

Hahahahah, I thought u just said previously that God is different from man.
Well, At least God creates humans, But man cannot create humans and so man should have no power to take others lives.
But Alas, anything goes!

All the war heroes ur God instructed to kill in the Bible are not humans right?

Again trolling,
Argument by repetition
Repeating the same sentence a thousand times, with no new evidence attached
Typical!

You just had to pour out vexation here
I can see there was no longer meaningful argument. Eiya Sorry

There is no argument here, I have told u how I feel about the issues u brought up there. U throwing up fasle accusation and me responding false (opinion) is not my thing.

Because God wrote the laws and coded it in our DNA. Simple.

How? Where did God say he wrote any law and codes in our DNA? How did u come about this info.

Sorry Sir, I have already listed evidences that point to a creator.
On the other hand, You have not offered a single scientific rebuttal of those evidences.
Till then
All this you are doing is trolling - Argument by repition
Its what kids do.

I don't believe God exists because I have no evidence of him... You said u listed evidence? Seriously? Perhaps I missed it.

Sorry our forefathers were raised with the knowledge that there is a God who created heavens and earth.
They were not raised as atheists.
So the argument holds.
I don't know the point you were trying to make with forefathers.

So u just inform people that there is a Creator' and automatically they know what's right and wrong.
What then was the essence of Christianity. If they had access to the God that teaches right from wrong why was there need for missionaries?

Likewise
Then why do you also argue when I say God has "good reasons" for The things He does?

Because I never accepted that God's reason for killing is good. Now u are accepting that there could be a good reason for abortion yet u argue.

Oga Sir, Thats You there.

And u took that to mean I was arguing with u about people being born unhealthy? Did u even see the sarcastic statement I made below which was the bane of all my questions on the topic. How then did u conclude I was arguing about people being born unhealthy when i was simply asking questions based on ur statement that God put babies in people womb. Smh

@bolded: Says the Law of Franks's English

I thought u were even good with English.
At least from my little knowledge I can remember very well that words had both literal and indirect use.
But for now, I know u will blindly refuse to see it
Mscheww

Oga, my father educated me simply means father thought me all I learned in life.
My father paid my school fees means he sponsored my education. It does not mean he educated or thought u anything.
They are not the same thing, quote me anywhere. Can u say because ur teacher educated u in school he was the one that paid Ur fees? Abeg I don't have time to enter unnecessary argument on this.

Yes I Know,
And you were the one who was trying to be smart by cutting in on the topic of abortions while I was replying an atheist who brought up the topic of "dying babies".
You garrit?

Someone talked of babies dying and you accused him.of abortion... What's the relationship?

Both. He is very capable of even the second. Considering that People who have been medically certified as unable to have kids have conceived miraculously before.
So I stick with both.

Are u categorically saying that people who eventually give birth after being medically certified as unable to have kids do not undergo the process of reproduction?

Sorry as a doctor, I want to ask you, which brain tumour arose from a birth defect?
Be specific so I can address what I am dealing with specifically.
You may want to rephrase your question in a specific manner.
thanks

He is trying to Dodge the question. Now are we going to argue if brain tumors can occur because of birth defects? My question is straight forward. Answer it and stop asking distracting questions. If u think brain tumors cannot occur because of birth defect say it so that I can point u to other situation. Or we can use the baby in the op example or other like that.
Just answer my question.
What future did God see in conjoined twins who died after their first few years or days?

I was actually replying an atheist who brought the topic of dying babies when you cut in

What's this? Didn't u indulge me when I cut it? And yes I cut in becasue Ur reply was inappropriate. Now that I have corrected u, go back and reply appropriately.

Firstly, know that man's wickedness and carelessness can alter DNA. So first know where the blame goes.

Secondly, God has also coded in us, the ability to find the solutions to the problem. Even despite the fact that the problems are caused by man.

Ok, agreed.God codes in us, the ability to destroy and repair... Lol.

Firstly, know That He is not the one who Altered it.
Secondly he is correcting, He has given many of us the intelligent minds to come up with solutions to this problem.

Shalom

Lol... Ok, when he was busy coding, when, when and how did he encode in ur, the ability to alter and override his own code.

felixomor:
Sorry the fact that you have now resorted to trolling instead of meaningful rebuttal says it all.
It is not that you can not sense creation, It is just that your anger Is at God because he doesn't allow you to live your care-free life.
We have always known this was the case.

You started the trolling by telling me m Angry with God. I am the last person that will start explaining myself when u start making meaninglessness statement like that. I will just play it back to u to.mKe u see how foolish ur God idea sounds to me.
Meanwhile, u are angry with santa for not bringing u Christmas gift. This will not change the fact that santa exists, sorry.

I never said u did. I said 'Accused" ( in quotes)....

U said accused what?

Sorry, the topic is not Islam.
Flag of Red Herring Fallacy tactic.
That Works for kids only.

And who said the topic was Islam? Why are u afraid of that example? Was the op topic abortion when u brought it up? Why do u suddenly feel threatened when I use Islam to show u how ridiculous ur acceptance that Yahweh should kill people because of sin is? Oga if u accept that Yahweh is free it kill people because they don't worship him, then u shouldn't​ be angry when Allah's people kill Ur people because u don't worship Allah. Simple

Hehehe, unfortunately
Atheists don't believe because many of them are angry.
A scientific article even almost concluded that atheists don't exists because it is almost proven that the average human being believes in something consciously or subconsciously. We are wired to believe.

There is no evidence of ur God. All that one u de talk na long story.

The fact that baby are born with defects shows that developing babies in the mothers womb can be affected by external factors including main made hazards and hence resulting in deformities
E.g alcohol in pregnancy
Read here: http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1950

Thank you. Not because any God exists or has a hand in it.

Just look at u again,
Back and forth
Again, back and forth
From denial to affirmation
Swish Swoosh

Oga, if it was the presence of evil that is making me say there is no God. Then I am just only blaming God for evil. That's a different arguement. In fact that's like saying evil is an EVIDENCE of God's wickedness.
Understand the argument, I know it's not easy to wrap up.
The reason athesits don't believe in God is because there is no evidence of him. Bringing in evil.is just to stress that there is no evidence of ur God, it's not actually the main reason we say he does not exist.

Exactly, your feeling is part of you which was formed while you being raised.
As I said lets wait and see how u will raise your own kids with your "atheist bible".

Yea right, our forefathers who were raised before Christianity was introduced don't know what is right and wrong? Well, I am not doing right because God say so, I am doing right because I want to do right.

Sorry, nobody said saving a mothers life is wrong. Maybe you have been reading the wrong piece.
Just follow what Jesus Christ teaches and such issues will not come up.

If u accept it's okay to abort in order to save a mother why then are u arguing with me when I say abortion is right for good reasons?

Ahhh, what type of open denial is this?
U have forgotten about your "born unhealthy"? argument.
Wonderful.

which born unhealthy argument? Bring it up.

Sorry bro, it seems your level of trolling has now failed u in recognizing indirect and direct reference in speech
God designed these laws and nobody else.

If I say "my father educated me", it could as well mean "my father paid my fees"
It doesn't have to mean my father taught me directly.

U dig?

See ur life. My father educated me can never mean my father paid for my fees. They are completely two different things.
God created the process of reproduction is different from God putting it there.
The op is asking if doctors are not challenging God? And u reply by blaming man.
If we want to argue based on God creating the process , I will still show you how ridiculous how such argument is.
So stick to one.. did God put the baby there or did he just create the process and watch while the process is being messed up by humans?

I already explained.
The same potential future he saw in you and me.
Head tumour is not death sentence and it will never be.

This is why I sometimes wonder how u reason. What has what u said up there got to do with my question. Let me rephrase.
Children who died of brain tumors(as a result of birth defect) at the age of four, what future did God see in them before putting them in their mother's​ womb.

Or should we just stick to process and not putting?

Laws of reproduction, you mean?
Sorry God designed the law by coding it in our DNA,
so by indirect reference it still points to Him.....

If this is what u think, go back and reply the op accordingly. If this coded DNA is altered what is the designer of this process doing about it? Since u accept there is a designer, why is the designer not correcting an alteration in his design?

macof:
culture section

I hope more people have seen the fraud of religion

Lol, this thread is an EVIDENCE

macof:
I have missed Religion section

Wow, where have u been? Nice to know u are okay

felixomor:
Of course there is
The impossibility of infinite regress, the design and complexity of Dna, the origin of time, space and matter etc, the complexity of human consciousness. etc
Sorry bro, many things point to a creator.
And The Word of God clearly describes how the first man was formed. I know you are angry at God's word. But It states these things clearly.

Many things point to A creator, that's why u are worshipping Yahweh. See ur life.
I know u re angry at super man, but his words in the comic states how powerful he is. Pls worship super man.

But doesn't change the fact that you started seeing "reasons" after hearing of your colleagues who supported it.

Change what fact? I have not done abortion before,u can't accuse me of something I have never done without knowing me. There is not fact to be changed here. I am seeing no reason whatsoever with u.

Sorry, the people disobeyed their agreement with God.
No big deal. It was reward for breach of contract.
They were terms and conditions.
And it applied.

No wonder extreme Muslims think u all should be killed for breaching Allah's contract.
Btw what contract did they have with Yahweh? What solution did killing them solve?

I thought u said it wasnt. Yeah right

Atheist don't believe in God because there no evidence of him... There fact the world is filled with so much evil shows that there is not evidence of him. The fact that babies are born with defects shows that there is not evidence of God. Evidence is the key word here.
Evil in this world shows that there is no evidence of God..
The reason we think God don't exist is because there is no evidence not because there is evil. Evil ,among other things, just shows that we can maintain there is no evidence.
I no English hard u, but try harder. I can break it down more if u want.

Yes you don't need God now because your parents have already raised you with what they learnt from God's religious way of upbringing
In 3 generations time, lets see wether your own grandchildren will be able to say so

This makes no sense to me, all I know is that I don't do Good becasue God told me to, I do good because, I feel it's right.

And Sorry bro, many people (e.g. Neo nazis) of today still believe Hitler is a role model. Get your facts mahn .....

They are people like u who think Yahweh killing people indiscriminately is right but aborting an unborn child whose delivery will kill his mother is wrong. Ur market no sell here.

Sorry thats what u mean, you said God should withhold children from such people because the children would be born unhealthy.
Thats what u have been saying and u say it again at the bolded.

When did I say that? I was asking u a question based on what u have been saying.

And as for the question, the same law of reproduction that help people with great potential to be born is the same law that helps such people to get pregnant.
These are part of the laws that keep the universe going.

Ok it's no more God putting babies in the womb? Lol, it's now law of production... Lol.
This is ur quote below


God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.


If u had accepted or responded to the op saying that God is not the one who created the babies with two head but it was as a result of of some law of production,we for no de do all this long talk na.

The same good future that others who achieved greatness had.
By the way you have consistently failed to realise that that tutor you are probably talking about is as a result of alcohol and cigarettes consumed by the mother while the baby was in the womb. But go ahead, blame God.

Oga, what future did God see in a chiild who is born of tumor and dies after four years.
You can now answer by saying it's not God that is putting the baby, it is the law of production. That way we can accept that God has no hand and sees no future in anybody.

felixomor:
Oh so humans must have reason for their actions.
Have you forgotten God made the spirit of humans in his image? Surely, you have.
God also has His reasons, and his scope of reasoning supercedes ours.

Lol... God does not exist, there is no evidence of him. Except u are God or u accept he is just a glorified human. What image? With all man's limitations? Or are u just fond of equating man's image with God's when it suits u?

Secondly, I observed your first post sounded like you detested abortion when I "accused" you back then.
But the moment you heard your fellow atheists were supporting it, you started seeing "reasons"

To that I will say, Wehdone Sir!

I have never done abortion. Besides u previously sounded like atheists just impregnate girls and abort the child randomly.

Mention one person God killed "indiscriminately".
PLEASE STICK TO THE WORD. I BEG U

Drowning everyone, even kids during the time of Noah.

Sorry, atheists you mean.
Just go to online forums. They say it a lot.
"If God exists, why is there so much suffering in the world?"
Its a very common atheist line. Get your facts.

It's just a point to show that there is not evidence. This is not in line with the point u were trying to make in ur post.

Sorry, even Hitler had "good reasons" inside his mind for killing six million jews and christians.
So your "good" is someone else's bad.
So Man needs God to tell him what is the real and central "good".

So how does the whole world see Hitler based on his actions with good reasons? If it was good no one will call him a bad man.
You need God to tell you to help ur brother in need? I don't.

So you mean humans should be throwing radio active bombs up and down, and God should be helping him to clean up the mess, by obstructing the reproductive fertility of the victims?
Right?

No that's not what I mean, how do u bring in anything u like into our discussion.
So u mean that God should, despite seeing that a man has the potential of giving birth to a baby with defects , go head and put the child in him? That's my point. Answer.

Nah. Going by this your infantile logic, any child born with a head tumour can never amount to anything in life.
Sorry there are people who were born with head deformity who grew up to be great world influencers.
Its the same Laws of God's mercy that kept them alive.
Its like rain falling on every roof.

See him talking another thing.
Oga, what future did God put in a child that is born with brain tumors only to die after four years. Answer instead of changing topic.

GoodMuyis:
This thread look like Igbo Joint, where guys just finish puffing 1 nylon bag of Igbo.

The result is unphantomable.

God is Just too good, try this with Hitler

Who created Hitler,?

felixomor:
"Good reasons" u said?
In other words they saw the killing of the babies in a different perspective.
So also do atheists see the long arms of God's undiscriminating mercy with a different perspective, as an excuse for saying God doesn't exist.

Humans will always be humans and must must have reasons for their actions. A mother who aborts a baby when it's obvious giving birth to that child will take her own life is understandable.
Is God human? His reasons for killing indiscriminately in the Bible is not understandable given the fact that he calls himself the creator and ominieverything.

Theists don't say God doesn't not exists because of these said actions, we say he doesn't not exist because there is not evidence of him.

thats not the point.
Abortion is killing and If God is to mete out judgement on everybody to get rid of evil (that u complain about), then nobody will survive.

God shouldn't mete put judgement people who have abortion with good reason​(like i explained above), If he does this I will definitely complain.

Exactly, and it is because of the problems caused by man in one way or the other.
For example, the people that were born unhealthy due to the effect of radioactive emmission on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they were bombed in the 2nd world war.

So therefore if God finds out that because of Hiroshima bomb man is born with the ability to have babies with defects he will continue putting more babies in such a man? What are u even saying?

God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.
But unfortunately, you can't see that.
You don't even know what will happen in the world tomorrow.

Lol... See u trying to wiggle out? What future did God see in a child who is born with a tumor in the head only for the child to die at the age of four? Is he confused?

Glory to God
We have always been making progress
Just that you are sometimes reluctant to move along.

Nice to know, I was actually getting worried with the way u talk. hope the progress continues.

legendary16:
Pls sir how can I rch you ??

xtfranks005@gmail.com

felixomor:
Sorry if i sounded like i was accusing you.
A good number of atheists here support abortion, thats why.
And abortion is killing bAbies, it has everything to do with babies dying daily.

Ya and I am sure they have very good reason for that. E.g, when the mother is at risk, when the baby will come out deformed, or when there are serious psychological issues that would make the child a suffer more when born.
No one is advising anyone to have children and abort them indiscriminately.

"Already unhealthy" ?
What do u mean?
Are u talking about intentionally living an unhealthy life?

No people are born unhealthy

Sorry, people born unhealthy are because of one man made mistake somewhere in the past.
Either by radio active pollution, poisoning or some thing.
So the argument still holds.

Of course, but then your God, seeing this will still put babies in their womb, afterall it's not his fault they have probability of giving birth to deformed kids.

Nah, i think u r speaking for yourself.

At least u are thinking instead of praying, we are making progress.

bizme:
Yes I can...could. But I'm not going to do so here, at least not yet.

I haven't gone that far and someone was already accusing me of having backslidden.

But what I have come to realize (and yes as human I have a high capacity to be wrong) is that the utilitarian God, the Jesus Christ in the African Churches and in our treacherously skewed interpretation of the Bible is not the same God and Jesus Christ of the Bible.

God and Jesus Christ of the Bible are just what they are. they are a set of Jewish deities and that is why our parents who worship these strange deities will always mix things up in trying to adapt a foreign belief.

urheme:


this is for gullible people parading themselves as Christians......going to church because they seek a physical reward.......tell them that their reward is in heaven .....but they must die first to transform into an entity that can receive that reward.

A christian services is to humanity.....when you are relevant to human beings that is when you are relevant to God

Unfortunately 90% of Christians seek physical rewards. I don't blame them though... Every one wants to have a better life... Everyone wants good health, better job. Everyone would prefer to have enough and not remain hungry.

You would really be hypocritical if you say your Christian life has nothing to do with physical reward. Infact, God in the Bible expect you to desire physical reward that's why he promise to give you more than bread when u ask and he promised to bless you and give you long life.

Now the remaining 10% who actually are​
Christians just for humanity sake are just like that. These people will remain humanitarians even if they were atheists or Muslims or pagans.

Given this natural desire to be physically rewarded... People who pray and worship God while expecting one good thing or the other from him are hooked.

felixomor:
Everything.
Its one of the evils, people like u do after fornication
And then come here to blame it on God.

That's false accusation. I don't do abortion and have never done one. Well, it has nothing to do with 2000 BABIES dying daily.

Of course I know this, but i pray they do, so the world will be a better place

Was only trying to show u that it was not necessary to think such about people u really don't know. Stop praying Nd start thinking.

You are still reinforcing my point.
God puts a baby in your womb,
Its your duty to stay healthy and avoid man made hazards that can result in deformities.

Lol... So tell me 'doctor' if I am already unhealthy will God still put the baby in my womb?

Alas, you are ignorant of lifestyle and man made hazards that can deform babies.

Of course you are such a good doctor that u don't know that many people are born unhealthy. They are born with the potential to have deformed babies,but God still puts the two headed babies in them... Afterall year has man that will help him separate them.

Awwww, thanks
I am flattered

Lol...u actually never fail to disappoint. The joke will always be lost on u.

felixomor:
Including the ones you wickedly abort ba?

God created the babies
Its your duty to take care of them.

What has abortion got to do with anything. Not everyone has such intention like u.


Ya we know.... God created babies with two heads and it is man's duty to separate them. You are one hell of an intelligent dude

legendary16:
what do you mean sir ?

Do you ever wonder why people who believe in prayers or people who worship God can't back out? It's because there is no stipulated time to recieve blessing. The uncertainty of blessing time can make u an ardent worshiper or prayer warrior.

It's like a gambler who has to continue gambling until​ he gets paid. The fact that the gambler does not know when he would be rewarded will make him continue to gamble. He might think: 'who knows this might be the one that will reward me' so he is stuck.

This is exactly what u advised the op in ur post I responded.

What I described above is a problem of schedule of reinforcement in psychology.

The best way to make a child always obedient to you is not to let him know the time you will reinforce him for being obedient. The uncertainty of time of reward can make anyone be your slave forever.

Think about this.

legendary16:
The reason could be the OP might be very close to whatever it is he seeks and this thought might just be another distraction to slowly take his mind off Christ. like I said something close to this thing happened to me. I thought I could handle my situation but I failed. here I am now thinking if God would accept me again cause things have really gone bad and the situation I thought I could handle has gone worse.

my advice to the OP is to focus on God Abeg !
you'll eventually regret that you left Christ.

Do you know this is exactly how chronic gamblers think?

Shoe!!

The kind of things God does for people. Meanwhile millions of kids are dying in abject poverty. You suffer almost all your childish life and the best God can use to prove himself to u is shoe.

Which hand?

asuustrike2009:
Of course he did but that was in the pass. There's a correlation of six feet under the ground because the bad tend to live longer than the good

What's this?

asuustrike2009:
You case is beyond repair. Did you read the body of the work at all? I said Yahweh is merciful if not op and others would have been dead. If he was to apply Mosaic law, for wailing alone amount to death

It still doesn't make sense. Good people and bad people die. Death is natural occurrence and everybody must die even u.
Why would Yahweh kill anybody for wailing? All the good people that have died, did they wail.
I still see no connection between this thread and six foot under the ground

asuustrike2009:
Yahweh is still merciful if not by now someone would be six feet below the ground for wailing. Being the case of that couple, there are some factors responsible for such delay. They include
1.Not praying enough or praying amist
2.Sin which is the tool of the devil
3.Test of faith has Yahweh tested Abraham
Some of these factors maybe responsible. However Yahweh's way isn't our way. His thought are not our thoughts that's why it's difficult for man to understand or comprehend certain things that happens. This is were seeking spiritual help comes in and not quitting. Quitting the fight makes Satan laugh at you. If one can't give up on achieving certain things in life for example trying to pass your exams no matter how difficult, why would one do that now. In life you Pray Until Something Happens (PUSH)

Lol @ bold implies our Yahweh s not merciful to people who are already six foot below the ground.

asuustrike2009:
Probably when he experience near death he would understand better.

What had near death experience got to do with God?

asuustrike2009:
I just smile at you. If some of us share our experience, you would be grateful to Yahweh for keeping you. Probably you don't know why certain answers aren't coming but it's for your own good.

If he does not know why certain answers are not coming then how do u expect him to react to what he does not know.

Having a good or bad experience in life does not have anything to do with God. Thanking an imaginary being for random things happening to u is silly.

What experience do u have to share that would make him grateful to God for keeping him? Does it imply that Yahweh is fair to him than u? Why do you think that Yahweh is treating him better than u? Why do you sound comfortable with that?

Wilgrea7:
that's what charlatans have turned Christianity into.. a spoonfeeding competition.. they've programmed people to think that God will spoonfeed them.. for example telling them to just pray and “miracle" this and that will come their way... unfortunately... that's the mentality of many Christians in Nigeria.. its a very dumb mentality.. God doesn't spoonfeed anyone.. if you want something, be ready to work hard and get it


forget that perseverance stuff.. its just things they say to make you keep waiting to be spoonfed... you have the potential to achieve your dreams.. don't let anyone tell you to wait for God to send an angel to give you a blank cheque.. it doesn't work that way

While ur input sounds very reasonable but this paragraph got me asking... WHAT THEN IS THE FUNCTION OF GOD IN OUR LIVES?

Again... Given Ur maturity, don't u think the op is far above all u said... I mean, don't u think he has gone beyond this stage u re presenting ur argument?

He sound so sincere and deeply hurt. I am wondering what it took him to come up with this thread, something most Christian commenters here obviously fail to notice.

Christianity might preach peace, love and hope but it sure misses something... EMPATHY. Christians dnt have the ability to put themselves in another's shoes. You are either a devil or a demon once u are not dancing to their tone.

Religion or even Christianity is s shitty business. You believe in God despite all the challenges around you. Hold him by his words and promises and patiently wait for him to make this crazy world sane for you. But everything just keeps on staring u in the face.
The silence, the hope, the anticipation, time... Yet life is passing by. Weeks turn to months and to years.
At the end you get up set. The life of management hoping praying and waiting can be frustrating.
You show u are not happy... But what happens... You become the oppressor and God becomes the victim.

Don't complain just wait till u die for God is always faithfull. Is there any other word for ZOMBIE? That's what Religious folks are.

oyebode95:
I am not high on any substance! But, what am saying is that You don't drag the names of Religion figures I.e Jesus, mohammed, Ogun, Buddha n so on into topics like this! You understand?

Ok I understand but.... I really don't care about these names u call. None of them is my father's name.

I don't care, really about Jesus or Mohammed.. and what is wrong with them having sex or me using them as example? Don't they have penisss?