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Ya, i recall my mum used to be thankful every morning... Until she died.


Being thankful is a waste of time... It does not stop death from taking you when the time to die comes

plappville:
No body is forcing you to worship God.

Isn't that obviously? Perhaps heaven is meant for only you.

beardlessdude:
you're not an atheist. You're a fool. Na ur type "atheist" wey pastor go come ur house pray fire and brimstone and you go dey shout "Amen".

You, seun and all so called Nigeria atheists are fooling yourselves.

I like it when u call atheists fools, it justifies me calling you delusional and crazy. Then i like it when u start crying to Seun to create u a different section.

U guys like starting a fight u can't handle.

kolaish:
I am Sorry I cannot help you. You are very far apart spiritually. Look to me like teaching elementary class. Please get close to the bible and attend bible study class regularly if you really want to know why.

Calling him an elementary student cannot help your case. You have failed and you know it. Even with your self claimed spiritual height you cannot explain to an elementary student why the Almighty creator died. Isnt this what your God asked you to do on his behalf? And when you cant convince anyone you say you are spiritually apart... what is the purpose of having spiritual accomplishment when u cant explain to a doubtful person why Jesus died for him.

Or is this all a lie and you know u really have nothing to say.

peacesamuel94:
well that's "what you think" and it remains what you think. i dont believe, only the church have successful people. yeah, I did go through some of his old posts, just to know how everything began, only to bump into a thread where he posted something that was different from I what knew of him.
By the way, why are you crying more than the bereaved? I don't see how asking a mere question has become an offence.

Lets just say i am in one of my poke nosing moods

Dumb people every where.

You don't even have the power to pray urself out of the situation u and ur lobed ones are facing u are busy praying for a man whose manhood is out of control.
What are ur payers doing about recession in Nigeria? Do you have everything you need in life?

plappville:
You have gotten the answers ever since from the bible and logically. But your mind is blocked to accept them. So deal with it.

And that's the bone of contention here. You guys(Reinhard Bonnke inclusive) want us to worship a God who behaves like inanimate soap rather than act like an almighty, all knowing, all loving creator he claim to be

peacesamuel94:
How does this even relate to the Op, nobody cares whether he is a Christian or not, the problem here is that he claimed that he became an atheist before the advent of nairaland, which is contradictory to the screenshot above.

Ya right.. nobody cares weather he is a Christian or not, yet u open a thread using a quote he made ace 2005 to investigate if he was a Christian before Nairaland or not.

Well, this a what i think... I want to be sure he was a Christian AFTER Nairaland so that u can justify our belief that God (who us believe is a provide of success) was the brain behind the success of Nairaland.

U don't want to believe Nairaland would have possibly been successful with Seun as a atheist.

Isaacmacdon:
Dude, I didn't quote you. It's better you kindly stay where you belong.

ok,sorry, no cry again

Why is it just hard for some Christians to understand that some people don't actually give a hoot about any so call God!

NEWS FLASH:
People are living happily and normally with out even remembering any God. I mean N.O.R.M.A.L.L.Y!! Were u expecting your God to strike them down? Were u expecting them to be poor? Were u expecting them to be lonely?

You want to force your Christianity on Seun. You want to force urself to believe he is a Christian or was a Christian after creating Nairaland. You can't​ understand why he is doing to well, making money off Religion even when he openly says 'i don't give a F**K'.




Lol! Go sit down, you God Actually does not exist, you know it yet you can't comprehend

Isaacmacdon:
Dude you've got time. You can't smell ignorance on his post? There are somethings that can't be understood with the human mind, and it takes a genuine and divine intervention for such things to be brought to light.

Oga supernatural mind... U that u mind is above human understanding, tell us why Jesus died. Ebuka said he didn't die for the sin of the world... If that's the case is he not agreeing to the fact that the sacrifice was a waste of time?

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus did not die to obliterate sin in the world . What is in this simple statement you don't get ?

what then did he die for?

KingEbukasBlog:
According to the logic of ignorant atheists , the presence of detergent stops dirt from existing

You are comparing what ur almighty creator did to washing dirt of clothes. A whole Ur God came down from heaven to die only to achieve washing and setting. U make nonsense of the whole sacrifice when u look at it this way.

A whole​ creator decides to sacrifice himself for the sins of mankind yet the world is filled with sin like nothing of such happened. Even new born babies are born right into sin despite this important sacrifice.

What kind of belief is this?

Someone rambled about things your God cannot do or hasn't done and u say he can do more without showing us one single thing he has done.

What is it with ur God and worship. Why is he so worship hungry to the extent that he is willing to raise stones to worship him if we don't. What happened to his childhood days? Is it boredom or ego that is making him desire worship this much?

You are better off remaining in ur romance section instead of coming to embarrass urself with things even u don't understand.

I think I like her boobs

The main people who insult their God are Christians.

Everything about the and their belief is wrong.

They believe in a God who can do all things, yet they are no different from people who don't care.

Isn't it obvious that anyone who has buhari's contact is in a far better position than people who know the so called almighty creator?

The whole thing is becoming a hell of a joke... Always praying yet working hard to meet up... How can one claim to be a special son of the creator yet u are as normal as every other person?

Always making excuses for their so called Almighty everything. I no fit shout

Typical Christians... When they get challenged the label u demon. Which part of his body are the 52demons living.
I don't blame u, i blame all the people that waste their time listening to you as u talk nonsense.
U way de see demons what are u?

killsmith:
On this good Friday.... You decided to smoke weed and post this nonsense

Lol...

When ever u see dumb threads.... Look out for Felixomor

Lol... She looks like a witch's runaway cat

luvmijeje:
I know this senseless thread will be taking to the front page going by Seun's criteria.

Oh shut up... U have become way too dumb since u started visiting this section. Go back to literature section where u used to make sense

introvertme:
Why not shutup if you don't have any meaningful thing to say,use less human being

Oga watin i do u na? Why insult me? Hmmm

Meanwhile she is still going to hell for all those tattoo on her body.

shadeyinka:
Ever felt threatened by Atheists or Atheism! NEVER

Cool, so next time don't ask me why i spend endless days trying to prove your God don't exist.
If you don't bring him to me i will not bother.

How can Hope compete against Hopelessness and win?.

Hopeless in what? Explain why u think i am hopeless, cause i might get u wrong once again.
U think i am hopeless becasue i don't believe in a mythical life after death? How does believing in life after death make u hopeful? What life style of ur shows u are a more hopeful person than i am... How can u prove to me you are a hopeful person? By believing in a mythical life after death?

When the truth finally dawns on you, it will not be because you were ignorant it will be because of your willful choice.

Lets try again...Ur God see the future... He see the beginning from the end and everything he see must come to pass, but he tries to change us by sending Ur type to preach to us and change us when he knows he has already seen that even if u talk to us we will not change.
Make sense of you God first before concluding the truth will fall down on me... That gibberish above about ur God is what u call the truth? I rather remain ignorant.

Till then, let us both be patient. Time will tell

Stop saying this, u sound like a baby.

shadeyinka:
@Bolded Illusion? Time will tell!

I don't care if Muslims preach...even though, they have no direct command to preach to sinners. They were commanded to enforce Islam on all people.

Arrogance! That is what you feel. Confidence and certainty can be mistaken for arrogance you know.

If you are waiting for time u are on a long thing... Do you know why? It's all after death, and we will be so dead, there will be no opportunity for 'i told you so'

You don't care if muslims preach and tell you your belief is wrong and ask you to join theirs but you feel threatened when atheists openly come out and challenge your belief. You constantly ask them why they are challenging your belief if they don't believe.
Do you even wonder why Muslims kill some of ya? Remind me of the lady killed doing morning cry... You actually don't know how obnoxious you guys are.

Atheist persecuting Christians!
Where did you get that idea. Your population is too small to do any harm. Although prophetically, at the end time, atheism will be the dominant world "religion" and theg with the pseudo-christ, you will succeed.g

Well then stop asking what we are doing challenging u guys, it make me feel u feel threatened.
You preach to us, we challenge Ur preaching... Don't turn around to say we shouldn't challenge u.

Did I tell you that you are not useful?
Certainly not!
I said you are not useful to God.

God is not useful to me, and being useful to a mythical being that resides in ur head is far from my worries.

What you feel or think do not change reality.
Too late!

Reality is what i feel, that why i do not believe in a mythical God, or life after death.

Prepare your defence before God when you meet Him.
He might bow to your superior argument

Ok

shadeyinka:
Interestingly, you precipitated my last post by saying:


I believe you remember.
But your evangelism bothers me. The statement above assumes a number of negative things which are obviously untrue.

Like?

And you will note that their are fundermental differences
Major of which salvation, sin and hope are missing.

The Christian God compels Christians to preach salvation, love and holiness to others. This you count as arrogance. No Sir! It is duty!

Moreover, have you seen where Christians force Christianity on people? You have a right to say No!, "I don't want to hear your message or have anything to do with the hope it presents".

Yes there are differences... Salvation,sin and hope in ur context are nothing but illusion. It changes nothing​, but just breeds hypocrits. Every belief have something to offer, it's arrogance to assume urs offers the best.
This instruction from the Christian God has turn his followers to arrogant people (similar to Islam). The God should have known better the result end of this instruction. It is indirectly against live and let live... Yet when people turn around and challenge what u preach u ask them why they waste their time challenging what u shove on their faces every now and then.
Seriously i wonder how u would have felt if Muslims preach on buses and tell u to leave Christianity and join them condemning what u belief.
A single example of how u guys tend to feel atheist are persecuting u because they challenge and blatantly reject what u offer shows how you would handle someone preaching a different beliefs at every nook and cranny u go.
I might have a right to say no, but i also have a right to ask questions and disprove u... Why are u finding that offensive? U brought it on in the first place... U called it Ur duty, what do u expect?

What is arrogance in asserting what you believe?
Like you will assert that 9÷2=4.5 anywhere even before a professor of mathematics who insists that the answer is 7.

Your problem is that instead of accepting Christians theists definition of Foreknowledge and Predestination; without necessarily believing them, you want to redefine it for them according to your whims.

Hindus believe in their Mother Cow. I don't! To me, its even funny. However, I know what they believe and I can state what they believe without twisting their views to suit mine.

Only in the course of evangelism would I attempt to use superior logic and scriptures to convert them.

Why? So that they will have the kind of Hope I have.

Unfortunately for you as an atheist, you gain nothing and neither your convert gain nothing as per life after life. Instead, you replace Hope with Hopelessness!

It is arrogant to assert what u believe by telling me am not useful because I don't believe in what u believe. It even revealed itself by ur reaction when i also asked u to get useful by disbelieving.
I can't accept the Christian believe of predestination and foreknowledge because it does not make sense to me.
Listen to urself, do u accept the Muslim belief of afterlife?
Hindus believe in mother cow, u don't, u claim u accept their belief yet u would go an preach to them to have hope and u want them o think u are not indirectly telling them their believe is hopeless. U are funny.
After life don't exist... You mustn't make sense of this world by believing in after life. Stop talking about gain or loss or hope or useful when referring to a myth. It all in ur head, it's not real.
Believing in it does not make u different from me, it's just in ur head.

And you believe in the Theory of Evolution?
Survival of the fittest?

God created the first humans and You have been multiplied like bacteria through your parents in the earths environment. You are expected to do the wish of Him through which you were multiplied. You don't have a say in this case. God needs His select "bacteria" to have certain traits, you can choose to be whatever you want BUT God reserves the right to do as He wills with you.

Will you ultimately survive the spiritual environment?

I am more convinced this example struck a chord.

The example would have made the slightest sense if i even belief there is this God somewhere. U have to first establish this God's existence to me before even thinking it struck a chord.
And if your God idea thinks i don't have a say, then he should have created me like a robot already... He shouldn't​ have given me brain and thought process to consider what does not make sense to me.

You were the first to advocate me to be useful to the society. I never gave a hint that you are useless. I only mirrored your accusations that Atheism should actually probe that it is more useful to the society than the average theist. And you being a perfect example, there must be something outstanding about you.

Well, i guess i misunderstood you... Sorry for that.

It doesn't have to make sense to you. It is important for you however to know these theistic concepts. It can't make sense to you simply because your tool of investigations are not appropriate. Can one use a magnifying glass to view bacteria?

You have switched off the possibility of spirits existing simply because no "physical instrument" can detect them. I understand that!


It still doesn't change anything of spiritual reality.

There is a final proof though:
When I die and my memory vanishes: I still loose nothing and you gain nothing
When I die and my memory remains intact: I win but then you loose.

You do not have a spiritual evidence of what you call delusion. Ask your conscience!

Meanwhile here i am thinking all these makes sense to u because ur tool of investigation is wrong. Do u see?
If i die and there is afterlife, i still have nothing to loose. I Know ur tool of investigation is wrong and this assurance will determine what happens to me after life. I commit no wrong by looking around me and assuming Ur God idea is wrong. If God has not proved himself to exists, he has not business punishing me for that.

shadeyinka:
You sound like a drowning man trying to convince himself that he is OK.

How?

Seriously, I don't believe in Obatala, Omadioha or Vishna. Why should I spend endless days proving they don't exist.

Because worshippers of obatala or Amadioha, are not arrogant like Christians, who condemn for not believing in their own myth. They don't stand on the street, knock on ur door, scream like mad men in the parks or market, and blatantly accuse u for being sinful just because u don't believe in their myth.
Seriously, i am surprised u made such statement, i am interacting with u because i find u reasonable... But the statement above reeks of nothing but arrogance and ignorance.
Just Ur opening statement 'I SOUND like DROWNING man TRYING​ to CONVINCE myself that i am fine'
You are capable of making such arrogant statement above yet you are asking me why i am trying to prove ur Of dont exist? I have e told u in all honesty that i don't have a single conviction that Is exists, i am responding to you becasue i am amazed you u are convinced your God exists. You are even comfortably commuting blatant fallacy by believing your sees and knows the future yet the choice is ours and he cannot do anything about it.
If your Is knows from beginning to end, how else does he expect things to play out if know what he knows?

Its obvious you don't know the mechanism of yoghurt production. You actually MULTIPLY bacteria by producing a conducive environment in milk... their multiplication is as close enough as it can be to creation (its the limit of mans ability). They didn't ask to be multiplied.... You just showed you didn't understand what you claimed you debunked.

Like i told you... We didn't create bacteria, we just manipulate it for our own advantage, we don't have to care if it wants to be multiplied or not, we just want to selfishly be happy. And if you think your God idea who created us, loves us and cares that we should be happy and u compare our relationship with him with our relationship with bacteria then u seriously need help.

Now that we know you have dismissed the idea of God, what benefit have you made to Nigeria. Tell me of one invention that came from you because you became godless?

I don't understand, what's the relationship between dismissing the idea of God and being of benefit to Nigeria? How do they even relate?
I see holes in ur belief, i am trying to show them to u, and now i am being asked what invention that came from me because i find Ur idea ridiculous? You might have as well asked me that that: now that i have dismissed the God idea, what style of sex do i have with my wife?

You speak like God is the problem of Africans (Nigerians to be specific). You are the kind of example we crave for; what's your usefulness to Nigeria. If you are not exceptional stop the ranting and advocating that we (theists) drop our God for what? To be like you? Sorry!

You are beginning to digress... Weather Your God idea is the problem of Nigeria or not is not the topic at hand. Why are u going there? It is not what this discussion is all about... I only made the statement about u being useful and make the world a better place because u were telling me to be useful. And i want to ask to please avoid saying that... Stop sounding like u think i am useless because i don't believe in ur God... That's arrogant. And i just gave u a tester of ur own medicine and u have already made it the subject of the matter... Why use the term on me when u don't like it being used on u?
Let me ask u, do u think God knows we will have this discussion? Trust me if he does then it sounds like it was preordained.

Since you obviously don't believe in God, it is wisdom to understand what & how theists think WITHOUT necessarily believing them.

Trust me i am trying... That's why i am discussing with u but it just don't want to make sense.

There is something called HOPE (after this life),
You don't have it
Yet, your primary aim is to make those with Hope as hopeless as you

What do you hope to gain by your action?

Except your serve (knowingly or unknowingly) an anti-hope personality, an enemy of hope in man, ...the hoplessly fallen one, the deciever or Satan by name.

I know you will say "I don't believe in Satan!". You don't have to; he believes in you. You have always done his biddens.

My point is, you gain NOTHING by trying to convince the hopeful to loose their hope.

Interestingly, theists don't have ANYTHING to loose if your position is correct. However, if you successfully convert a theist to atheism and you are wrong...

Conversely, an atheist has everything to loose if the theists position is correct.

....your next argument I know is, which of the several gods is the real one?.....That isn't your business at least each theist can say, " to the limit of my understanding and knowledge, I tried my best"

Good night

You call it hope, i call it delusion. To me, no one has anything to loose, we are just trying to make sense of our world.

shadeyinka:
Who told you that God knows that ALL men would NOT change. Millions have changed my friend, from all Nationalities all over the world. You may be an exception and that is too bad because you can still do something about it.
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God desires a certain characteristics in His FINAL SELECTION. He has sent His words through His Prophets and Teachers. Life-Death choose... And God respects your Choice why the fuss!

If you choose to live a life independent of God here on earth, why do you think He should compel you to live the rest of your eternity with Him?
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I never said God knows all men will not change. The question was, if God knows i will not change, what's the point of sending someone to preach to me?
Let me ask you, when Ur God is busy sending people to preach to me, does he already know i will use my free will to refuse?
The rest crossed statement t of urs are meaningless to me

I am sure my bacteria illustration struck a strong chord in you.

The creator of the human race prepared a procedure to sieve "useless free beings" from "useful free beings" and here you are complaining instead of making yourself useful to Him

The bacteria example has been debunked by me, u can pretend not to see it. U can't compare what we do with bacteria with what u think ur God idea does with us. We are not the creator's of bacteria, we don't love it, we are just manipulating it for our own good.
If u think the creator loves us so much he wants us to be happy then u cannot compare us to bacteria.
If i created bacteria and love it, and see it's future, i will not put it in a red dish when i know putting it there will affect it in a way.

Lol @ i am complaining instead of making myself useful to him. How can i make myself useful to a being i don't even think exists. U definitely want me to act like a mad man.
Here u are even confusing me the more... Telling me the creator knows i will not accept him yet he is asking u to continue in this poor job of convincing me.
How in the world can i worship such a creator?

You are a teacher, you have set your questions and students are doing your Exam. Now, you see this student who doesn't attend your classed, who doesn't study, completely unserious about school rules and regulations...

Now, you see him writing Rubbish... and he still has the audacity to accuse you of "Failing him"! He says since the Teacher already knew that he would fail, why did he set exams.."the teacher must have failed me!"

Thats more like your case. You are living a life contrary to what God desires (probably because you don't even respect Him and don't even care a hoot)...

Your accusation now is that since God knew that you will fail his exam, why did he set the question! He must have predestined your failure. SMH

The teacher guesses those who will fail based on many factors. How i wish the teacher has taken a peep into the future and knows those who will fail and those who will pass despite their behaviours, will he even bother teaching? Or will he start acting surprise when they fail? Or will he go and lock them up for failing, when he already knows that there was nothing that could have been done to stop them from failing?
The funniest past is even when the teacher set the ball for their failure rolling, he made them and gave them the ability to become failures and winners but already knows they were doomed to fail yet he pretends like he didn't know and go ahead to reach them.

Too late!
He has made you!
Your exam is ON!

You are working so hard to live in ISOLATION from Him.

Your are the one who should fit into His box, you can't fix Him into your Box.

Imagine a single bacteria (designed to culture yoghurt) who says he wants to fit you inside its box...SMH laughable isn't it.

Does it even matter what a single bacteria thinks or feels or acts or does.

Your choice to be useful or NOT

He failed...I am useful with or without him...

Too bad for u, u need to start making urself useful by stop living in fantasy land... Be hard working and lead. To make the world a better place instead on believing in a being that lives in your head.

actrinity:
Bros, my advice to you... Stop this blasphemy against your creator. Tell whoever that put this thinking in you to change from stupid logic and appreciate the life you've been given. You're alive today....does it mean you're same with the righteous?

You that u are alive, does it mean that u are more righteous than the dead?
If we appreciate God for living, perhaps we should blame him for the dead.

Hexbee:
why all this rubbish? You ar living, breathing, hearing, perceiving, seeing yet you fell ungrateful to the greatest god who has done this all for you. He is god, the lord. Only him shall live forever while every other thing shall perish. One day we will meet with him to account on how we have spend our time and our wealth. Be gratefull to him for he has made a living among the death.

I forgive u for such nonsense statement, because it is obvious u lack a thinking brain.

shadeyinka:
I am not trying to convince you that God exists. No! I do not even expect you to believe in God. My intention is to Explain Theistic concepts to which all I expect is an understanding (of what theists believe) NOT a conviction.

Foreknowledge is the ability and attribute of God to view events yet to occur.

We don't have to agree on the implications of this foreknowledge neither do you have to believe with me the possibility of any being having a foreknowledge.

Do bacteria's feel pain?
The answer could be YES or NO! For those who believe in the existence of Bacteria's.

Now, if I do not believe bacteria exist, the question of bacteria feeling pain is irrelevant. What is important is to know what those who believe in the existence of bacteria say.

So, foreknowledge has been defined according to Theistic view.

Of course you are not trying to convince that God exists. That should be Gods duty. You are trying to explain to me theistic belief system which i find ridiculous. I am not even sure this has anything to do with God... It's just Ur idea of God.
Foreknowledge is useless to your God idea. He acts surprised and regrets despite being the initiator of everything. This shows its either he has no foreknowledge, or does not know what to do with it.

I believe you are still mixing up Predestination with Foreknowledge.

The present is always changeable, the past is fixed and the future is a function of our collective past choices.

Warnings, Preachings and Admonitions are to motivate you to choose activities and behaviours that will give you a collective beautiful future.

Whatever you do in the present is NOT preordained they are products of your present choices.

This world is a giant Examination in progress. Even when the examiner (God) knows that you got the answers wrong, it isn't his duty to force an A out of you.


He send instructions to humans to change: and some have changed.

He loves us, knows the dangers of our choice AND He has intervened but some are expecting him to come physically down with Kobokos and fire to threaten them before they believe that he is real.

Foreknowledge cannot actually be separated from predestination when we are discussing the creator of everything since the creator's foreknowledge can't be wrong and i can't use me free will to do any other thing apart from what he has already seen. Probably this is the reason why he actually cannot do anything about it... Because what he see(foreknowledge) must come to pass(predestination).
It sounds more like a joke telling me that God sent humans to preach and admonish when he already knows i will not change, it's sound like the creator is playing game with himself.
Perhaps my present choice is also preodained.. or doesn't the creator already know?
If he knows i will fail the exam, what is the point of knowing when he cannot do anything about it... I'd rather say he does not know.

Of course, you didn't ask to be created. It isn't about you, its about Gods objective. Why do we multiply Bacteria for culturing milk into youghurt? To make the bacteria's happy? No. Its simply because we want yourgurt!

It isn't about me? Seriously? Who makes the choice? Who does the choice affect? Who enjoys in heaven? Who suffers a in hell? How does it affect God whose objective it is.
We didn't create bacteria, we met it here and are just manipulating it to our advantage... Is that what If is doing?

Your conclusion is amusing. Just because God will not fit into your finite box, He doesn't exist! SMH

There is nothing egoistic about God. Why should God be egoistic over bacteria-like creatures we are; for who He wants to filter out the undesirable set. You were made for Him and not for yourself and no amount of rancor will change it.

If all we do on earth is grow, reproduce, fight for survival and die at a max age of 100years can't you see how meaningless life is!

And that is why selection is needed. If with an opportunity of 100 years, you messed it up, what will happen when you are given a million years to live.

I don't feel like i am made for any God. A lot of things about this God does not fit in and i am sure i am not the only one who feels this way.
If God wanted me to just accept whatever he presents to him since i am made for him and not for myself, he should have created me like a robot already.
Perhaps he should go back to the drawing board... He is obviously not achieving what he set out to achieve when. Initiated the world.
He really does not fit into my finite box... This is an honest statement. If anybody should know this it should be God... He should step down from his ego seat and do something... And if he won't... There is absolutely nothing i can do about it. Afterall it's all about him not me.

shadeyinka:
I believe you understood my point but you seem to question that audacity of this God based on the function of foreknowledge.

in all honesty, i really do not understand the foreknowledge concept. Your explanations are obviously evasive. There are core and indept implications of forknowledge that u are intentionally overlooking.
And to all honesty, I really really do not feel i am questioning God's audacity, if it were so, i would be questioning God not you. I strongly believe I am questioning your your idea of God. If God feel the best medium to communicate with me(perhaps because he knows i have no right to question him), he obviously expect me to challenge what does not go well with me. He, perhaps, knows I have the write to use this medium to question everything. I am open mined here, and if you can't convince me, I have no choice but to just doubt the authenticity of ur information.

First, Foreknowledge is an attribute only God has. Without foreknowledge, God is limited in scope, in time and in power. Its a take it or leave it situation. Is this a wrong preposition?

Before you accuse me of giving evasive answers, one of the purpose of foreknowledge is the power of intervention. Eg. If I could foreknow that you will shoot me with a Magnum 450, I could replace your live bullets discreetly with blanks. The Future isn't cast in steel.

You asked a number of questions which has been answered above.

if you sincerely typed the above and trusting yourself that you have answered my question, then I am afraid I will stop questioning u, because obviously you dont have the answers I need.
but let me try again...
Its interesting to see that Foreknowledge it an attribute only God has, and you rightly put that its purpose is the power of intervention... however, we have a God who has fore knowledge but acts like he does not have it.
He acts surprise when we act out what he already knows
He knows our future and knows we are bound by what he knows, yet he says the choice is ours (again denying fore knowledge)
He send instructions to humans to change from ways he already knows we will not change from (this action denies for knowledge)
He loves us, knows the dangers of our choice but does not intervene (purpose of fore knowlegde is defeated here)
The world is a messed up as it can be when Buhari with all his limitations becomes God.

However, you seem to challenge the idea that God is good and loving by the problem freewill has caused the world.
Unfortunately, the cost of true freedom is high. The only way to prevent the present chaos was for God to create beings who cannot do wrong, perfect in all sense.

If God did that, which He could, He would have created Robots. I believe God did not intend to make man as robots.

seriously, I am human with brain. If God didnt intend to create us as robots then its high time he actually stop treating us as one. Why should the cost of freedom be high? why should i accept this unfortunate state. Is this what you just tell people u dont want to treat as robot? without explanation.
And no God can prevent the current chaos even if we can do wrong (intervention, simple). If he cannot prevent the present chaos what exactly is he expecting from us, what does he want us to do with choice? You are saying the cost of freedom is high like we asked of it. how does he intend to handle humans in hevean? will they have choice?

Your second question above:
What does God intend to achieve by giving us freewill?
SELECTION!
Selection of those who BY their OWN volition will Choose to LOVE HIM and OTHERS...those worthy to Receive the TITLE "sons of God". Not forced, not coerced but despite all odds, survived the con termination of this world.

The Bible says that each will be judged according to the level of GRACE he has received. Those who were born without the grace of hearing the gospel will be judged according to their conscience.

Since, I am not God, I cannot give you the formula He is going to use. I can speak only of what I understand.

Moreover, even in Hell, there are categories, compartments and degrees. Its not a blanket judgement for all.

So, leave the Muslims, Hindus etc alone, Focus on yourself and the truths you have heard.

The Sacrifice of Christ was an intervention...so that the weak can receive salvation as a gift.

If my parents were Moslems, the probability that I will be a Muslim is very high. But God has the way of judging them, I cannot. And that is why the Bible says that those who make paradise will not be able to boast that they were able to do it purely by themselves. But then, by grace we are saved, through faith...it is a gift of God.

The objective of freewill was not to make the world a better place. It is for God to make his selection.

selection? just selection... despite the suffering we are going through? what kind of Ego fulfillment project is that?

well, without saying much... Since u obviously dont have the information I need, I will still stand by my word that he does not exist.. perhaps if at the end of the day he is real, he will know how to judge me

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I have rejected any God idea with my free will because the idea does not make sense in my world view. Is God just going to judge me based on only free will? There so many determinant of this choice, and many are much stronger than the choice itself.
U guys scream free will like it's anything... Without my type of up bringing, biological and psychological make up, my choice will not have a foundation. These foundations are what matters and not really the choice itself.