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Nooil:
Uncle, if you lack understanding, ask God to give it to you, because right now, you're irritating me with your level of understanding. And for the rest of the gibberish you spilled, don't expect me to address them. I have stated my belief, you can go ahead with yours. Good day.

did God save u from the mini accident or not?

How exactly did God prove himself to u? is it by allowing the truck to hit u and damage ur legs for life or by ensuring nothing happens to u despite being place where the truck hit your car? Did God allow the two thugs to help u or not?

no vex, pls tell me what ur whole story was all about? how did God prove himself to u again?

Nooil:
If you had gone through my writeup well, I'm not sure you'll be asking these questions. Did I in my write up insinuate God saved me from a misfortune? Nope.

He chose that way to show Himself to me. I was sitting close to the window where the arrow points. And if you look at the truck, you'll see it focused exactly where I was sat.

Ur write up shows exactly how God saved u from an accident (misfortune) thereby proving himself to u. Except u didn't understand what u wrote.

Now, if you think we are Christians so that God will save us from misfortunes, then you don't know what Christianity is all about. God caters for everyone, both believers and unbelievers. He sends rain to everyone. So you being saved from misfortune isn't a big deal.

OH please, u guys should stand for one thing for once... U can't keep on jumping out of what u believe whenever u are caught.
Christians actually believe in God so that he will save u from misfortune. Saying this is not true is a big lie from the pit of hell.
If not why do Christians pray for health? I travel at least 50 times every year both by air and road, u see Christians pray for safe journey. Sometime last year there was a turbulence in the air on my way to Abuja because of bad weather, come see Christians asking Jesus to come calm the weather. Go to church we have u lot giving testimony on how the lord has been good to them, all retreats are basically for the sick or for financial break through. A few days ago Oyedepo openly said he had not been to hospital for 51years. So who are u kidding? If u know God caters for everyone and not really Christians why waste ur time to ask him for safety, good health and financial break through when u know these things are already there for everyone to gain even me will get them without prayers? Oh pls.

We are Christians because of salvation. That way we know when our flesh dies, we are not gone. We are going to be transformed and live again. That is what Jesus Christ came to ensure.

Well, the way u guys actually behave, I doubt if u guys are certain that this Salvation or life after death is real. If not why the fear of death when u know its a sure way to a far far far better life than these. Why didn't u get a little angry that God didn't allow that truck to hit u to death (as it has hit some other Christians to death ) so that u can zoom urself into this so call Salvation where u will live in everlasting joy.
Leave that thing... If it was only about salvation, I bet there will be no Christian found in this world.

If you don't believe that you will live again after physical death, that's your problem. But I do, that is why I'm a Christian.

Of course I don't.. I dont know if it's a problem to me though. If that's why u are a Christian, good for u, I still see the holes and fakeness in ur believe.

Money, wealth, riches, peace are just additions. But let's not be distracted by the main message, which is eternal life.

Additions to who? How can they be additions when everybody has it. It shouldnt even be anything to u, since there is nothing special about them... After all even a murderer has access to them as much as u even as a Good Christian... It shows they not really important and are not an addition to anything.

Image123:
Your theory question is just an assumption, it has no nail on any head. Rather you expect a specific no for an answer so that you can miss the point yet again.

Somebody mentioned so called Christian reaction to different scenarios. Where was the nail or the head there, the mockery?

God will not normally tell a 20year old girl in Lagos to go to boko haram camp. It is inconsistent with His nature and word. God will rather use a 20year old girl or any age, kidnapped by them to witness to them. He takes advantage of the situation. The person may die or live, it depends on His game plan in the situation.

So if u know instead of answering my question directly, u will only dance around to only lead us to know where, then u rather not respond.

The assumptions are based on real life scenarios.

We all know of a christian lady who was killed in Abuja during her morning cry in a Muslim community. There was a case of a lady in UI who was almost lynched because she chose Friday to preach in front of a mosque. Now the different reactions CAPSLOCK painted were exactly the way so called Christians reacted to these cases.

The question why did God who u claim will not normally tell a 20 years old to go to boko haram camp, send these victims in my examples above to go preach in such a dangerous situations.

U are already reacting in one of the ways CAPSLOCK painted by trying to say it was not God that sent them. But if they had succeeded will still say all glory to God. Where exactly do u stand?

Image123:
It's not by advice, people do these things by personal conviction. Jesus was not advices to die but adviced against it rather. We have people living in terrorist infested regions, many are not even Christian in the real sense. They are all there and refused to leave or be internally displaced for differing reasons.
i know a Yoruba lecturer, professor with his whole family there. He's not an evangelist. But that's home for him and for his family. There are business men and women there. There are many who have lost loved ones, family and friends there yet refused to leave. There are also some Christians there. Anybody can die and anybody dies. i don't see why you want us to feel bad if a Christian dies. All Jesus disciples died, we are happy. But you are crying more than the bereaved.

The problem with u guys is that u are fond of talking without hitting the nail on the head.

If ur 20 years old daughter who lives with u in Lagos tells u she has a personal conviction to go to boko haram camp and preach to them will u willingly allow her to go.?

Humanoid01:
Before Jesus was captured in the build up to his death, he knew the weight of what was to come. He knew it wouldn't be easy, so he told God "If you are willing, take this cup from me. Yet not my will, but yours... " . That was his human nature taking effect. However, He knew the glory ahead, that helped Him subdue His human nature at that point.

To be honest, the question you asked is tough to answer, 'cause things are easier said than done. I just hope the instance I gave above will give you a hint.

Jesus (if the story is true) did not live his actions by faith. He knew exactly what he was going into.. Having lived in heaven, seen God and knew the mission he came for. Do not compare him with u who is just believing and acting by the stories u are told to believe by faith. Jesus didn't need faith.

The question is straight foward and makes nonsense the whole God theory. It is difficult for u because u have made urself adamant to believe in something that really does not make sense when it's dug into and questions are asked.

The fact still remains, if God saved the Op from the accident he should be consistent with his saving Christians in all accidents. That way, we will not be asking questions as we are asking because Christians are actually dying in accidents leaving u guys to explain it away like desperate people who need to make sense of an unreasonable belief.

Nooil:
Happy Sunday everyone!

So my question is for the atheists, have you asked God to prove He exists and you didn't get a reply? Because I once did and got the images below. I won't say I was involved in an accident. Those pictures below, you see the pressed side where the arrow points, that's where I was sitting.

I remember that day I was going back home after going to check a house outside the state where I lived.

I was looking outside, enjoying the natural breeze, the trees, vegetation, and all. I asked myself, what if this is just nature, and there's truly no God as these atheists say.

Then I prayed a small prayer, "God, show me you truly exist." And in less than two minutes, the accident occurred.

God was telling me "If I wish, I could take your life, but I can use the smallest of things to preserve it." And truly, God has preserved my life in ways you can never imagine.

In that "accident" I was the only one with shattered glass all over my body. The funny thing was a man sitting close to me and his baby didn't even get a single glass on them. I was the only one screaming at the driver to open the door so we can get down.

Everyone was telling me to calm down and thank God for saving our lives, but that was because they were not sitting on glasses or had their body covered with them.

My opened bag was filled with glass. I struggled to get it out because it was where the bus compressed. While I was struggling with it, other passengers had come down and were looking for another bus or car they could continue their journey with.

When I finally pulled out the bag, immediately I came down from the bus, I saw a truck. I flagged it down, and it stopped. One of the persons inside actually came down to help me with my bags. They didn't pick anyone else.

Some passengers were asking if I knew them because of the manner they stopped and refused to pick anyone but me was strange.

But you see, God was telling me, "I will make a way for you where there seems no way."

I stand in awe of my God. You don't know what you're missing out not being under His grace.

I will continue the story of what happened in the truck below.

I am sorry the story above does not in anyway proved that God proved himself to u.
It's natural to feel lucky after surviving a tragic event. Christians or religionists take it further by saying they were saved by God.

It's just a prove of how adventurous the human mind can be and make events in your life seem to be the narration u want it to be and not what it actually is.
I tell u that even u as a Christian has an equal chance of surviving and accident like any other person. U could have actually died in that accident and Christians will still say glory to God.

You guys present God as both the judge, the prosecutor and the accuser. He is both a married man and a bachelor. As such u can wriggle ur way out of any sound argument with any excuse because God acn easily fit into any nonsense u want.

U have seen good Christians die in accident but ur mind still feels good to come give this story because u didnt get injured in an accident.

What then was he trying to prove to Christians who actually die in accidents since it is now what he uses to prove himself to u?

I think u have a lovely personality and this personality works for u (perhaps that's why the two weed smokers were nice to u. It's sad that u are blaming an external being for what u have acheived on ur own... How then can we learn from u when u have already misplaced the object to learn from.

Do u know how many times I have escaped accidents since I became an atheist? Do u also know how many times I have met misfortun?

There is a bottom line here... Both good things and bad things happens to me and u, the only difference is that u think God is involved and I don't think so. My point is to establish that God is useless if u worship him and I don't, yet we all face the same survival or death chance.

Humanoid01:
Matthew 5:10.

In order words u will just quote anything u like that does not even have to do with the issue at hand just to avoid answering.

Or

What u are saying is:

If she goes to preach in the north and does not get killed... All glory to God.

If she Gets killed she is blessed cause she died for the kingdom sake.

Will u advise u daughter to go to preach to boko haram members in their camp in this period? At it will be good if she dies for the sake of the kingdom, don't u think?

Humanoid01:
Why the generalization? Christianity is in the heart, and only God bears witness with those who truly worship him. Do you think all Christians would respond that way in the second scenario?

How would u respond?

I wish u know how it pains me to see u fool urself in the name of religion.

Imagine paying tithe, waking up in the midnite to pray, fasting, vigil, leaving ur business to go to church, sacrificing for ur pastor just to achieve the average life of feeding and providing for ur family and having good health. U will still go out and hustle and consciously maintain a healthy life.
This is something I can achieve despite not believing in ur white Jesus.

Religion don fry this one brain

Dtruthspeaker:
We have Told You Before, You Must Harvest what ever You Planted. It is A Law!

You can not plant elephant grass and harvest rice.

You can not plant grape and harvest Sweet Orange.

You can not plant Wickedness, evil and Death and then You think that you shall harvest Goodness and Life? Never!! Only Death, More Death and Plenty Wickedness!

And you must eat your own harvest not mine. Foolish People!

In order words, I ur God is useless

Kobojunkie:
Let God be impotent in all this. Now, you should not even care to ask an impotent God such questions would you?

What should we then do? What exactly do u get from an impotent God.

You claim to be concerned about the kids, so what have you done of your own power to allieviate their sufferings? How has that which you have done helped resolve the suffering that is the condition of said children?

I have and I am doing my bit bro. But I am just human with very limited capabilities. How I wish I am all loving and all powerful then I would show ur God how to do it.

You have helped yourself? Have you helped the helpless kids you so care about? How have you helped them? Indulge us please !

It's funny u are asking me, an ordinary human this question and u are saying don't ask the one who has the power to help. Let's say I have 10000000m, how many kids can I help. U God has limited capabilites and he is helping no one, yet u say don't ask him such question, and u think u should ask me. How wise are u my brother?

IfGodbeforus:
Those who have the legal right as His Children, know these things so they don't even ask.

And this is exactly why we are asking u that claims to know. Yet u say we shouldn't ask. How did u even get to know without asking?

You , who discards and insults Him is now Concerned!

My concern is actually for the kids not him. But then if his actions make sense to me, I might repent from insulting him and take him seriously.

If you have a child who is disregards and looks down on you and doesn't care about you, would you regard him?

I am not asking him to regard me. I have at least helped myself the best way I can. What about innocent helpless kids?

The Lord is not your problem! You are your Problem

I know... Is he even anybody's problem. Isn't he supposed to be people's solution?

Alessandro9021:
But again this is the same mentality of a cult, again Christianity is not a cult but it's just like how people are saying "Trust this man, do not question him". If we didn't question anything in life, we wouldn't advance and develop, questioning and trying to find answers are human nature. Christianity gave answers to some questions, not all of them(if they did this thread wouldn't exist). But there are more rational answers.

The same guy will come out to tell u that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Jesus.

From his statement, it's more like a relationship with an authoritarian.
Love me or go to hell. Don't question me... Say thank when when I give u bad and good things. "How dare u ask me why I allowed ur little kids suffer or die... U do not need to know just go through with whatever life gives u and thank me for it."

IfGodbeforus:
The Life and Breathe in you , I and all over the World belongs to GOD.

We have no right to question Abba Father..

Can your vehicle Question u?

Can the food you Prepared tell you how or when to eat it?

It's foolishness to Question God Almighty..

All we need do is to Ensure we are Loyal to Him, we Obey his Commandments, we Believe and Accept Him and be ready to meet Him wherever or whenever we are called..

We all are Nothing but pencils in Hand of our Creator

Your point?

People don't ask questions for asking sake. People ask questions when something is bothering them and they need to make sense of it.
How can not asking why ur so call almighty Abba father who is the giver of life not handle something as little as securing the suffering of innocent children help make sense of anything?

Alessandro9021:
Some people say to me "it's men's fault" but come on. Why god let them suffer? Men are in many cases the cause of the suffering but if he is all loving why he is not interfering. Why he lets them die alone, in a brutal death?

Ya, the loving God be like... It's u guys fault,so deal with ur shit and lose ur innocent loved ones. But ensure u pray to me, if I am in the mood, I might help u find ur key or allow ur pastors not go to hospital for 51years

Primesky:
Is life needed?. Do you want to live?.

If life is needed and you want to live, and God alone can give life, then God is the number one priority. If He takes away life,how can anybody achieve the things you listed above?.

God is too merciful, otherwise this kind of question will never arise.

How can u say life comes from God when people are dying left right center.
This is exactly why the op is asking the need for God. If God is the giver of life why are people of all ages dying? Is he the one taking the life of all these people?

coputa:
It's done.

Thank u. Now u have indirectly given. Watch the lord bless u more.

@coputa, @betterpoison has been asking u to remove his details from the post u quoted but u pretend not to see it.

I think it's ok if u respect people, especially when it does not cost u a thing.

Although I do not support his begging online but he has not done much wrong for u not to just respect his wish.

Pls I beg on his behalf get his details of ur quoted post.

coputa:
we are saying the same thing here,look at your immediate surrounding : your family,friends,neighbours and study those that gives out to the needy,not only money,you will notice that they are controlling the invisible/supernatural to their advantage viz:good health,peace,happiness,and of course money.these 're people that controls the invicible.

What exactly are the invisible supernatul things are they controlling to their advantage by giving?

coputa:
@frank317, you did not fall from the sky and human life is not directionless,humans 're not mere animals.you reap what you sow,sowing here means your inputs to life and not your skills or your degree.for instance,look at the life of a currupt nigeria policeman,you will notice at the brink of or after retirement is full of misery and pain,because that's what he gave repeatedly over the years and that he must surely receive.your intelligent human thinking will always fail you.that the rich man did not give to lazarous does not mean he has not been giving to people.do you know how much dangote gives out to the needy.America is the highest giver in the universe,and remains the richest and greatest.

I don't get ur point, I am really not sure what u are saying... I am still waiting for u to give me proof of people who controlled the unknown by giving.
People give, but giving has never been proven to take care of unknown circumstance that my hinder our progress.

We can only do our best, like someone pointed out, we can give to improve our chances of getting more by giving to people who can actually pay us back... We can also give to feel good about our selves... We can also give to earn respect.. But u can't give to control unforseen life events that might hinder our growth. Why? Simply because u can't prove it.

coputa:
Of course,you have to be a earner to be able to live well and not necessary wise management of money,because you can be a good manager,and the odds of life can still be against you,thereby rendering your efforts fruitless,ditto,a bad manager that succeeds because the invisible odds of life favours him.How do you activate this principle,it is by giving(to the needy)let giving be your lifestyle,giving here here can be money,love,tangible and intangible things.do you know that the giver is more blessed than the receiver,

One can only take care of what he can see and handle. The problem with u guys is that u continously waste ur time seeking for ways to control the invisible and u known things.

If u have accepted that something is Invisible and unknown its already beyond u.

Giving does not in anyway control any invisible and unknown.. And since they are invisible and unknown u can't even know u have eventually controlled them... This leaves living a life of assumption if u want to feel good with ur self.

Work hard to earn and learn to be a wise manager.. It does not work all the time but it works 90percent of the time. Beside show me a give who have successfully used the act of giving to control the unknown or invisible force.

We cam keep on living a lie... U are not and can never be a supernatural being.

If u give so that u will get something (from either God or unknown force) that's selfish giving, don't u think?

Mineisgrace:
I disagree with you here. [b]You cannot say giving is moral and still say people don't need [/b]to give( since that is what your post is about).
If giving was moral, the world would have been filled with helpers and not greedy people.
People preach giving but they don't live by what they preach. Are they morally wrong or right?

@bold... He never said people don't need to give. He said u don't need to give so that u will become rich.

Giving makes both the giver and the recieve happy, anything that makes both party happy is morally right. If u give u feel satisfied within u and also earn respect from of the reciever. The reciever in turn gets something.

Giving does not automatically make one richer... It's earning and managing wisely that makes one richer

bigname23:
guy u too make mouth...but meet offline u nor won gree, abeg no need to follow u talk again, u are not worth my time, u are only bold online..e dey pain me say u nor fit enter my trap offline

lol

bigname23:
guy check on Wikipedia or Google for bill gates religion or personal life ...and nor b to dey voltage for nairaland, make we meet for ground now, u go know say at a time for our life, na trouble we take dey eat.. ..I dey waf town ...if u ready to meet I fit give u location

This is why I said u are poor.. Hear u talking like a tout.
I will never meet u off line... If u see me off line, fear no go gree u talk to me, honestly.

bigname23:
guy even the bill gates u are talking about believes in God oh.. I b say I nor won argue with u ...abeg guy bye bye ..una arguement nor dey finish..I m waiting for day I will meet sumbody like u face to face..make I cum see whether he go fit open mouth call me fool or mumu

Which God does billgate believe in? Has Bill Gate ever told u that he had faith in God or prayed to God that made him rich?

If I meet u one on one... I will mesmerize u until u see ur self as a fool.

bigname23:
cum turn me to poor man na, since u won force me turn poor person by all means...or think say na everybody b like u, wey dey get audio money for nairaland..cum waf town if u won know how rich I be..

Guy leave that thing, u are poor.

Even if u have, u are not rich enough to say the wealth is gotten through the help of the creator... That's too not true.

At least Bill gates child is richer than u, yet his source is from his earthly father. How can u not be richer than him since ur source is from the creator. Do u guys even reason.

bigname23:
y e dey pain u like dis Bros... don't worry m not goi to give u dat attention again..u can call me fool all u like here, I am not worried because this is faceless forum where cowards show their strength..m tired of exchanging insults with pepo I don't know or might never meet..op knows I didn't underate his faith, I only gave my testimony on how I used faith to overcome my own struggles, but some haters don't want to hear anything concerning God, dey dere de form strong man for nairaland, I nor go answer u

Yes of cause, I am pained by ur mumuness.

How do u call the situation u gave a testimony when u are still a poor man. Is ur God poor?

Dtruthspeaker:
In truth I want her released and I would be very happy that she is released.

But first I am very Angry that this happened because man thinks he knows more than God and Always thinks so.

While God kill All Evil People, man said "we shall do better than God", he shall not kill evil people, (ooh that's not right, they say) but we shall raise up a house for them called prison and "change" them (called reformation).

Now evil has filled the whole earth and now we have all these shits going on.

Now, there is another thing you are also not aware of, Remember, God's Word Must Happen and Be Fulfilled, it is written "they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you": Mathew 24:9

Also Revelation 6:10/11-
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So I think she may have been appointed to die as others have died in Kaduna, Jos, America, China, all over the world, just as it is written.

If she dies for Christ, she dies well.

And Remember what we call dying, the Lord God said it is a "sleeping"!

U want her released but u think it's not necessary to ask God to help her?

Now u say perhaps she has been appointed to die? Based on what are u saying this?
If one gets malaria could u say it's useless praying for the person because perhaps it's appointed for the person to have malaria?

It's hurts my eyes to read from u, Mr God's lawyer. U have proven ur self to fail in all areas of reasoning.

The same u who have prayed, asked God for favor, and always got answers from God is the same u saying it's useless praying for another because they are appointed to go through the hell they are going through. This is after saying than an amputee is stupid for asking God for a new limb.

If u can ask God for anything and get it, why can't others? Why can't same u ask God for their sake? Who appointed Leah to die? U or The God u are representing?

GRIMMJOE:
He doesn't even see how religion has made him a narcissist, every hundreds of Nigerian kid die of malaria, but all he cares about is having food in your stomach.

That why Nigeria is like this, me and my family, me and my tradition, me and my God, a book has made people believe they are better than others, they forget we will all be eaten by maggots when the time.

The fool thinks God is blessing him better than the op because he has more faith than the op. In his mind he is more blessed than anyone who does not earn as much as him, but he does not know that he is indirectly saying everyone doing better then him is more blessed than him.

And this is the best his foolish God can do... Tell u to work hard and take the glory of ur hard work.

bigname23:
richer than me ke ?...in ur dreams..abeg na nairaland we dey make we not start to dey fool ourselves..e get d kind of things wen I nor fit talk based on street levels....but like I said b4 u are looking for anoda useless round of arguement, and I am not going to give it to u..people like u for real life na ..una nor go fit cough for wen we dey...Bros abeg argue with urself...since u get money well nd u believe God is not a factor, y u nor go follow dangote argue ...oga audio billionaire

Well, even if u are richer, I am saying u don't sound like it, that's my point... Argue with me? Bros u no reach. Ur level of reason is obvious right from here.

It's a good thing u don't want to argue.. Pople like u know they have know point neither can the think outside the box.

Double ur hustle and pray harder... I might even employ u if God grace shine on u.

bigname23:
guy I dnt have time to start arguing useless arguments with u all over again...I have beta things to do than to start exchanging words with different athiests..check am self...even d dangote u used as a standard for wealth believes in God, go follow am argue say nor b Allah bless am...Nor b u I go start anoda round of arguement with after that guy

I just wanted to get ur points clear. Is believe in God basis for doind well? All these people plus u also hustle.... If God is involved, I am sure u will not even need to hustle. Imagine the creator of this world responding to ur needs, why do u have to work hard to make ends meet and at the end of the day u are just an average citizen, it makes not sense.
Except u guys accept the God u are worshiping is just an average being who is not as powerful as u make it.
I stopped praying since 2009 and today I am doing better than many of my Christian folks. I just was consistent in trying out things and applied wisdom the best way I could.
What u guys do is that u cal God all over the place and somehow u are still saying he is useless even without knowing it.
How can God help u and u are just an average citizen. As I am interacting with u, I can confidently say I am richer than u, this based on the way u are talking. What then is the use of this God?