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Image123:
What have i done now this boy? Of course i understand the op and the OP. Is the op greater than or more important than the OP?

U don't because u are talking off point... How can I love my food... If I don't eat them how will I survive? But the op is about the creator nor the created. Ur questions assume I am the creator. Does the creator eats food to survive?

glowingflame7:
What would you have done better? You sound very intelligent than God. I suppose you have a planet or two already my lord.

And u seem to have figured 3this God out already. So u think God cannot create a better living condition than this shhitt where everyone struggles to no avail. If I was God I will do better.

If God makes plastic edible will u not eat it ? Yet, I think he can do better... But u think u God is stuck in his own confusion.

Maximus69:
He is trying to reason from the perspective of a Christian!

When we're discussing about sensitive matters like this, we don't just concentrate on the one who is demanding a reason for the faith in us. Our comments, responses and speeches are targeted at all those who might stumble on the discussion! Act 26:28

So he perfectly understood the OP, he's just being sarcastic because it's obvious the OP is targeted at the believers of a God who answers prayers!

Shhhhhh... He obviously does not understand the op..

Image123:
You don't love the food, but you think God should love it. You eat up former living things every day, why? Why don't you just eat sand and plastic? What if the vegetables, rice, fish, chicken and goat don't want to die or be eaten? Why don't you show love? Why are you so barbaric?

What is this one even saying abeg

Did u even understand the op?

samisj4real:
I think God gave animals the dominion to prey & eat each other.

So this is not something to even think about.

BTW, do animals pray? At op?

I have a feeling u are smarter than this... Pls show it

Maximus69:
NO Sir, Prayers don't crash!

It's the unlimited wants of humans that's making people feel it must be so.

Nothing concerns God, when people are searching for jobs or other opportunities. What's of importance to God is the connection between the so called job/opportunity and his own purpose!

It may sound like Jehovah's Witnesses have come again with their own doctrine but try to search the scriptures whether you'll find a faithful servant of God praying for such.

If we tell you that those people aren't Christians as in worshippers of the true God, many of you will assume we're bragging. But the heritage of God's own people totally differs from the thinking of atheists {all those expecting God to make things work for them before they can attest to his existence including religionists having the same line of thought} they just feel God must prove himself even when their pursuit is after selfish things!

Of course, it church worship God better than other churches... Thats an old story.

vaxx:
This is where predestination comes into play. prayer is not an obstacle to effort neither does effort an obstacle to predestination. but enough prayer and effort compliment a better Destiny.

So God goes out of the equation in this instance

LeiderJa:
You answered like you didn't read my post. If you did, that thing you wrote up there wouldn't be there.

Like I said, there's no god in that scenario. Only variables.

Read it, assimilate, understand the philosophy and try that reply again.

Again, in order words... Each man is on his own,

Maximus69:
Now this makes some sense Sir.

So as i've said earlier in my post on this same thread, prayers aren't meant to pester God for unlimited wants but our daily needs! Matthew 6:11

With our daily needs, no one will hurt another but it's excessive wants that makes people so desperate to the point of rendering their conscience dead! Matthew 6:31-32

For the main time children are born and people also die each day and that's enough for both maternity homes and casket makers to meet their daily needs, it's the excess people wants that makes them plan for the things they don't even need! 1Timothy 6:9-10

This is not about excess wants bro... Its about when prayers clash. Its about two people praying for the same thing from different angle and if one has to get, the other will have to lose. We see this every day. Two people need a job in the same firm... Its okay i f u say they should work hard for the job, but when prayer is involved, it means God will have to favour one person over another and it makes a mess of the whole thing.

glowingflame7:
Like plastic right? Or sand. You deserve a Nobel prize, what do you think?

Plastic? Do u think that's the best God can do?

Image123:
Love? You love the food you eat?

No I don't love the food I eat. Now I s
Ask u again...the order God created, does it signify love? Or cruelty?

LeiderJa:
Yeah pretty much. All the necessary ingredients to determine the outcome are in the scenario already.

What if there's a thorn in the ground? It's also part of the equation. Life is a big theory of uncertainty.

Well know its the equation of life. This equation is brought under scrutiny since u guys believe and all loving and all seeing God exists.

Besides, what does a thorn benefits from stabbing he animal? Does a thorn pray to stab an animal?

Image123:
You are not God, that's the first lie the devil told Adam and people with adamic nature keep hoping for this. God made the prey as food, it has no other destiny. It glorifies God fulfilling its destiny, you should.

And this is love?

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir, i know it pains so much to be ridiculed when you're trying to expose someone else!

Don't be angry Sir, next time just try use something that could be easily linked with your illustration, rather than talking about prayer when those involved are beasts who lives on instinct!

Smh...

Maximus69:
Instead of such illustration, why not make it real by using creatures that aren't existing with instinct{human}?

Praying is synonymous with humans who knew that they'll be held accountable for whatever they do whether good or bad.

Security dogs are tamed beasts trained to protect their owners, but because this creatures live on instinct the owners must always feed them at the appropriate time so they don't get hungry and return to their normal WILD life
If they're exposed to such condition, they may even hunt the one they're trained to protect!

So why on earth would any reasonable intellectual think of making a stupid illustration about such creatures when they can't think of storing food apart from going for food when they're hungry?

No carnivore hunt for fun or storage, they hurt due to hunger.
Humans do all sorts of things to provide not only for today{Matthew 6:11} but for times that they're not certain they can still be alive, they call it FUTURE?

Please atheists, it's not a crime to enlighten others if there's a need to. But it's presumptuous trying to make others look stupid when you yourselves don't have enough discerning spirit to outwit others!

God asked humans to pray because our lasting bliss doesn't depend on how much material things we possess. Animals are contented if they're able to eat, sleep and mate but humans desires far much more than that!

U are sick...

The casket maker prayers for good business so that him and his family will survive... Please how many times have u prayed for death? And If God answers every prayer what will the casket maker eat?

In every business the owner flourishes on the lack his client? He wants the client want and desire his product and and something this products are not good to be desired. How many clients want to lack?

Noble3264:
OK.
so "As God" what better way would that be?

As God I will create a situation where the cheeteh can survive and eat without having to kill another animal that wants to also survive.

Surely as God do u think this desire can be difficult to achieve?

BeLookingIDIOT:
The cheetah can always eat something else.

Like what?

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir, you don't need to bite me!

You posted the picture of animals NOT intelligent creatures with the ability to think, so it's rather you that have made a fool of yourself here Sir, by placing the unintelligent creatures on a scene depicting intelligence!

U are indeed foolish... Our people say: if u are given a proverb and still the proverb has to be explained to u, the money used to marrying ur mum is a waste.

U can't relate the animal used in the image analogy to what humans face u must be a fool.

Maximus69:
Wow!

I never knew atheists also believes animals have the sense to think and pray to G O D!

Do u need help with the analogy? I can break it down for u if u don't understand.

U must talk even when u don't understand, u ask questions instead of making a fool of urself

Noble3264:
Would you rather prefer the vegetarian escape and the carnivore goes hungry? Mind you the wildebeest has eaten it is rather logical for the cheetah to eat to .its just a cycle of life.

No I would rather not put both of them in that situation. As God I will think of a better way for them to survive without hurting each other. Remember nothing is impossible for me.

LeiderJa:
No god in this scenario.

The outcome of the dilemma depends on factors such as strength, experience, body build, nutritional status, topography of the location and a multitude of other factors.

Like a Pandora's box.

So u are saying they are wasting their time praying? They are on their own?

Noble3264:
Since both have being given a level playing ground ,let the nature take care of the rest.

In order words if u were God, your answer will be "two of u are on ur own"

dollytino4real:
where a lion is something dies

Sincere answers needed.

Makschinchin:
Look at the percentage below from Google.. A very large percentage in the US is made up of Christians.. You can also check Canada, Australia, Europe and most developed countries, they are dominated largely by Christians or other religious groups (for other countries).. These countries are moving forward and advancing technologically, socially, educationally, politically etc.. But here in Nigeria and Africa, we blame it on Religion..

I will bet with you that if Religion is to be banned in Nigeria, the country will even be worse off because the root of the country's problem is not found in Religion..

Did u even read my reasons why religion is part of Nigeria's problem? Or u just ignored it even after it answers ur question. U did not even respond to the post. Smh

Like I said... Religion is not Nigeria's only problem its one of them. A country as USA is moving forward because they have broken the barriers u Nigerian religionists have refused to break. They are free thinkers, live and let live, accept people for what they are and say that's what God wants (gays for example).

U guys watch big brother naija and call on the country to repent or face doom. How many Christians i n USA will do that? There is nudity every where in ur so called religious USA... Pls.

If u take religion out if naija, there is probability it will only forward a little space, because we still have other problems apart from religion holding us back, but it will be a step forward.

adoyi8:
Wow thats great. I was born in samaru but now live behind NMS for security reasons thanks to the religion of piss.

Does mates (the bar) still exist. Na we start that placeoo.... Mark was a pal then... Now he is a big boy.

I left Zaria a while ago, from barracks to mates no far, u should know the place.

Astark:
no one is stopping from practicing your own religion, abi pastors put gun for your head.?

Most scientists are Christians, I don't even know what you mean.

Satanists, spit

Ur replies reeks of ignorance and they lack intelligence. I really pity they people u will train.

Makschinchin:
I mentioned Saudi Arabia and US in my previous post, these countries, among others, have a vast majority that are religious, yet, the countries are moving forward.. This alone should tell you that what is killing Nigeria today is not religion but a leadership problem..

US is not in anyway religious. Where did u get that from? How many us folks go to church?

Religion is more like a cultural thing in Saudi... Unlike Nigeria where its separated. In fact religion and culture fight each other here.

Again u fail to loom deep and the effect of religion in or country. Why compare it with other countries when each have different ways of doing things?

Op...ur assumption is that people are saying religion is the only cause of Nigeria's backwards.
Religion is just ONE of the numerous reasons why Nigeria is backward.

Here is my take on the problem of religion.

Having a large section of the population who believe their God (despite unseen and unproven) is the reason why they are successful (despite their efforts) and devil (despite unseen and unproven) is the reason why they fail (despite their laziness or mistake) is in itself a huge problem for the country.

Here we have doctors who believe that God heals. People who wait on God for miracle of healing and success. We have leaders who ask us to pray and ask God for solutions that needs common thinking, religious leaders who ask us to pray for corrupt readers and call us to church in Monday morning.

During the Ebola crises, Nigerians thanked God, for the successful aversion of the plague, but didn't ask Gods role in the fact that it eliminated more than half of population of affected countries. They failed to see human effort and improve on it.

Region asked up not to ask questions, accept unfounded teachings and live with unconfimed believes. Thinking in Nigerian is minimal because of religion hence innovation is zero. Religion makes us comfortable with what we are.. After all,God is always I charge. It makes us pray and look unto God and assume everything is all right, hence it makes up fail to see the reality on ground.

Religion makes up pursue unseen and unconfirmed things like heaven and unrealistic happiness while we fail to solve the problems around us via critical thinking. It has turned us to hypocrites and we have this false illusion that we are holier than others when we obviously are not.

Religion has divided us with my own is better than urs thereby adding to the problem of tribal segregation that is already killing us...

I can go on and on but let me stop here for the sake of long post.

adoyi8:
It makes us give priority to unimportant things.
let me tell you a short story:

in late 1990s when Oyinbo parents were buying toys for their kids, we African children were building our toys by ourselves.
During the vacations, My friends and I will go search all the refuse dumps in Samaru, Zaria we I was born. We will look for used batteries and tins to build tin cars and other playthings. You need to see the kind of things we built then. We were little geniuses.

But our parents did not like it because they saw it as a waste of time. My father made me join alter servants association in my church and my muslim friends were forced to go to the Islamiyya. So, while I was made to cram the Catechism book, my muslim friends were cramming the 99 names of Allah instead of using the time to exploit our technical ingenuity.

Imagine all the time Nigerians spend in churches and mosques. If we had used it to build our human capacity, I don't think we will be importing toothpick today.

Today my child hood Hausa friends and I hate each other because of indoctrination that took its effect later.
Instead of coming together to build a better Nigeria like we did as kids, we only care whether the president is from our religion or not.
If you've been wondering who stole the African child's brain then don't worry because I just told you.

Was born in Zaria too... Wusa hospital. Lived in kd duna road, right after pz and went to therbow school

Liverpoolfc:
Do you believe there is a witch? if you dont believe, i dare you to type it that there is no witch , one will visit you before you finish typing it. Witches get power from a source...the witch you fear, fears this great God. You cant challenge God to a fight when I am hear. I can pronounce you blind if i wish, but i hv forgiven you bc of your ignorance.

THERE IS NO WITCH

Olukologia24592:
What made you say that? I'm ready for the challenge

Are u God?