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OLAADEGBU:
What's your evidence?

I don't have any, I have not thought it through. It's not even important to me if he is real or not.

Just continue forgiving her

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe William Shakespeare ever existed?

I think he did... I am open to counter reasoning though

These are true not intelligent questions.. It just shows u do not understand the concepts but I Wil try to answer

CaveAdullam:
1. God is imaginary according to you but is common sense imaginary or not, that is can we see it, describe it or touch it?

You can't be asking if common sense is imaginary or not. What's that? Common sense is a concept used to explain a dorm of reasoning. If i put one ball in a box and put another.. Knowing that there are to boxes is what we call common sense. I know religion makes grown arse men think like kids but stop embarrassing urself... Common sense is a word used to describe a type of reasoning. Stop comparing ur God to common sense and show ur God is not imaginary. God and common sense are two different concepts.

2. Can you describe your own common sense?
[quote]I have told u what common sense is and given u an example. People do not have their own common sense. Common sense is an allocation of reasoning to understand or explain things around us. Common sense is not a thing. He ca not be describing it to u, u only recognize it when he applies it. Telling u God is imaginary was born out of common sense, why? Because he has never ever been seen or heard from. All we have are people making things up and calling it God yet they cannot substantiate what they call God.


[quote]3. On what basis can you justify that your common sense is accurate?

Good morning.

Thanks.

God bless.

Yes it can be justified by giving other reasons...
- God has never been seen or heard from
- People make up different stories and call it God
- People really want God to exist so that life can look meaningful to them so they make him up
- many people have been found to be lying about what they say about God
- God exists only in the head of believers
- no one has explained what God is with proves
- God has never been proven

What other justification do u need to apply common sense and say God does not exist?

CaveAdullam:
is it not better you see Him with your own eyes?

Just say u can't... All these ur play play is beginning to sound childish

jesusjnr:
Of course people like you made Him so.

OK...

CaveAdullam:
Looooooool.
The way some nairaland atheists accuse Every Christians as mentally deranged is alarming.

Counter what I have written with logical reasons instead of hopping up and down this thread like a wounded grasshopper.

Where exactly does one starts to counter meaningless gibberish?

So what available evidences did you used to clarify that the woman you called your mother is truly your mother?

She loved me dearly (she is late) and would sacrifice her all for me
She was always there whenever I needed her
I could see, touch, feel and hear her
I had so many features I could observe, see and compare, that looked like me
She told me directly she was my other
She raised me and housed me

Oga, I didint just believe she was my mum.. I knew it.

I am sorry u don't even know ur mother, u just believe.

give me the evidences that says she is your mother. Is that not simple enough?

Read above

The Man Jesus Christ, Creation, Morality, Evil, etc are evidences that God is real and not imaginary.

Seriously... The man Jesus christ is a Jewish myth just like Mohammed for Islam but u think they are deluded. Creaton story is an unproven myth, morality is a man made concept, evil is a human act, how excactly did evil prove God pls.

Nevertheless I can give you guidelines on ways to see Him and how He looks like if you are not satisfied with the evidences as stated above.

Thanks.

God bless.

U can't give me anything... U have not assured me that u can with ur statements

CaveAdullam:
So you have been brainwashed hard enough to believe that there are 26 letters of the English alphabets; nothing more, nothing less and nothing else,

So you have been brainwashed hard enough to believe that water has 2 molecules of hydrogen and 1 molecule of oxygen even when I'm very sure you have not carried out this experiment to really buttress or ascertain this fact,

So you have been brainwashed hard enough to believe that the woman you called your mother is true even when you have not carried out any DNA test.

Can't you now see the whole world is full of mentally deranged people?

By the way what is the METRIC FOR MEASURING WHAT IS TRUE OR FALSE?

I just dey laff you here oga.

Bring it on.

Good morning.

With all these u have written I suspect u have mental problem.
Ur world is all about believe.. U know nothing but believe in everything.
If u don't know ur mum is ur mum but only believed she is ur mum then the fact that u have not made further enquiry only shows u are slow
I don't just believe my mum is my mum but I know she is my mum based on available evidence. My mum is not imaginery she is real.
Stop talking trash... Prove ur God is real and not categorize every knowledge under believe.

jesusjnr:
The truth is that the best way to talk the atheists into believing that there is God is not by talking to atheists themselves, but talking to God who created the atheists and yielding ourselves completely to His Will. For God is the one that has the cure to the disease, and it is His Spirit.

Just one thing that His Spirit would say to the atheists either by Words or by Works and they would not be able to gainsay or resist it.

So that's what we should focus on more rather than speaking to the atheists by ourselves.

God be with you.

This means God has failed

Ihedinobi3:
Hi there.

On the one hand, free will makes it impossible to convince anyone of anything that they don't want to be convinced about. On the other, there is nothing more evident than the existence of God. It is shouted from every bit of Creation.

[1]The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
[2]Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
[3]There is no speech, nor are there words; Their voice is not heard.
[4]Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of the world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun,
[5]Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; It rejoices as a strong man to run his course.
[6]Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
Psalms 19:1-6 NASB

[20]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
[21]For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21 NASB

As for what you offer as evidence, as Abraham said to the rich man in Torments, if anyone will not listen to the Bible, even if someone came back from the dead (what could be a greater miracle than that?), they would never believe. Free Will is a guarantee from the Lord that no one submits to God who does not want to, and no one rebels against God who does not want to. So, it really is a waste of time trying to convince anyone of anything. We believers in Jesus Christ are responsible only to give the Gospel to anyone who is willing to hear it. It is up to the hearer to choose to believe or not.

LOL.. U are better off as a native doctor

Preciousgirl:
Watch this

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D4v7qOs-k6yA&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjCy9WugurkAhUUfMAKHUD3CkkQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw2-vamnuvZSzGAknWakdiT8

Seriously? This video of a dumb set of people is ur prove that God exists....hmmm this is scarey. Pls do not make me assume say u no go school sha

Preciousgirl:
I believe in God 10000 percent
But I just cant understand why some human beings doubt God or the supernatural

Well, the atheists are here, tell them something to convince them

Here is mine:

I have seen a tree that, contractors would fell and the next day, it would be right standing, defying science and natural law
Hope this can convince atheists

Drop yours

Lies... U didn't see such tree, I have actually watxhed the vedio u are talking about and the tree had strong elast roots and it sprang up after the contractors succeeded in cutting it half way...


Besides how is a tree springing up after being cut proves any God... That's only a prove that such a tree exists and not God.. Or is the tree God?

If u have a good evidence that Willie skakie didn't exists put it forth.. No one is going to put u in hell for that.

U are free to believe Willie didn't exist based on ur reasoning and evidence just as others are free to believe Jesus didn't exist based on their own reasons too

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, biblical theology is reality. I understand that you disagree, but that's why I'm a Christian and you're not.

Reality how? How has it explained why we have 90% of Muslims in area where we know that's what the worship. Reality is telling me that it is so because that's how most of them was brought up, ur theology is telling u it is so because the devil possess them to be Muslims.

Second, how have you actually observed "chance," "luck," "fate," "fortune," and the like? These things are merely explanations, not observations. I don't see how they are good explanations at all. If you do, by all means, explain to me how you do.

Hear urself... Explanation to what? To things that has never been observed? What do u mean by 'not obsevertions? How can u have an explanation without observation?
We call a phenomena luck because of the circumstance is occurred... I don't think I need to explain further because u have used the word a couple of times too.

I am saying that free will is truly free. We are not forced into choosing anything at all. As I said before, easy proof of that is in the fact that people in the same situations choose different things from each other.

And I am saying that ur so called free will has a lot of determinants, how is this difficult for u to understand?
And who us talking about force? Smh

Whatever the reason that people choose to submit to the Lord or to persist in or return to rebellion against Him, they still freely choose it. We are beings capable of thought. We judge things in order to make decisions. The fact that we do so, that is, that we weigh and compare and evaluate things, does not mean that we do not make true decisions. One person may choose to submit to the Lord because they see their parents' example and consider it a good enough reason to follow it. Another may choose to rebel against the Lord because they see their parents' example and despise it. Same thing, different responses.

Now u understand... Ya, also add that some people might have GOOD reason for not freely choosing to be Christians, example, someone whose father brings up in the way of Islam and is being told Christianity is not the right religion, has all the good reasons to freely reject Christianity. The freewill of choice is not even the issue here.. The reason behind the choice is what we are considering.

I don't see how that is a real argument. I come from a large family. Two of us grew up with both our parents still married to each other, while the other eleven came from prior marriages our parents were in, which broke down. Between my younger brother and myself, I'm the one with this degree of commitment to the Truth of the Bible. Among the other eleven, at least two went to the other extreme, only stopping short of declaring themselves unbelievers, although they most certainly act like they are unbelievers. How much difference could there be that would force us to choose like we did? I chose what I chose in spite of incentive and threats advocating the contrary. Others chose as they did in the same way. Our circumstances and experiences are merely arguments urging us to choose this way or that. In the end, we rule just like a judge in a law court. We decide what we will be in relation to God, for reasons we consider most compelling.

Like I said, reason behind freely willed choice is what I am considering, especially in case of the OP... Do u think a Muslim who refuses to be a Christian because he believes in his fathers religion has done wrong? Why will u be born in the truth religion and another in the wrong religion? Is it fair? Yet u have not even shown ur own religion is the truth.

I would also urge you to do the same. Stop arguing just for the sake of argument. It is a foolish thing to do. If you don't like a position, reject it and move on. It is more than sufficient to state a case for why a position has been rejected or endorsed by you. You don't need to waste time and energy badgering someone else with what you think that they must accept as true.

There he goes crying like a baby. How much energy exactly have I wasted trying to get an issue clear with u? How amd I wasting so my h energy here and u are not.

Well based on this... I will stop here and let u be.

Ihedinobi3:
In biblical theology, "likely," "chance," "luck," "fortune," and the like do not exist. Nor do they actually exist in reality. As long as poor girls raised in the ghetto have made different choices than what others like them have, it is enough proof that our wills are truly free. We all choose what we want to be with respect to God. The proof of that is clear in the fact that different people in the same situation choose different things. That is really all that matters.

U are talking biblical theology, I am talking reality, what we have come to observe.
So are u saying our choices in life are not determined by other external factors?
Are u saying many people's decisions to be Christians or Muslims was not determined by the fact that they had Christian or Muslims up bringing?
Different people in the same situation chose different things because they all have different factors in their lives that makes them make different choices.
Stop arguing for argument sake. Many people are Christians because they were raised in Christian homes. That's a fact.
We all chose what we want to be in respect of God because God has not revealed himself, giving people the opportunity to make up stories of what is real or not about him.

The fact that fewer people choose to trust God than choose not to in a given situation does not at all mean that our wills are hampered in any way. It only proves that the wickedness in the hearts of human beings is great indeed and that there are only few people who seek to submit to God in this world. That's it. Nothing restricts or hampers our free will in any way.

Wickedness in the heart of men did not just fly in... It is as a result of desire to survive in a world of scarcity. People grow up in different environment which determines that they make different choices in both similar and different situations.
I am not saying our free will is restricted or hampered... I am saying it is determined by other factors most times.

Ihedinobi3:
I don't see how you reached that conclusion. Why would free will choice result in an even spread of religions?

Calling choice free really changes nothing if u want to look at the reality on ground.

Choice (despite as free as u see them) are most times determined by other factors.. True or not?

A poor girl raised in the ghetto where body hawking is the order of the day is more Likely to become a prostitutte than a girl trained to become a doctor when both face same kind of hardship.

Ihedinobi3:
The way that logical and scientific reasoning works is in disagreement with your conclusion.

If there is any exception to this rule that you purport, then perhaps your rule is wrong. If some people are Christians because they were born into the Faith (by which I understand you to mean that their parents were/are believers), while others are believers although they were not (that is, their parents were/are not believers), then there must be something else that makes people Christians.

Added to the above is the fact also that many children born to believers do not even become believers themselves, much less remain one in the long term. Many besides them who do start out in such homes as believers don't remain believers in the long term. This further reduces the effect of being born to believing parents.

In other words, although the spiritual leaning of parents does play a role in the choice that children make with respect to God, children still make a choice. Some choose to remain with the God of their parents, but others do not. Israel as a nation comes to mind. The nation was created by God because of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But their descendants were a very strong example of rebellious children. They repeatedly rebelled against their fathers' God, until God destroyed their nationhood too. Another very clear example is David and Solomon. David was a spectacular believer, but Solomon strayed from God very soon after his father died. Once he began to marry wives, not long after he finished building his father's God a splendid Palace, he started seeking out other gods to worship.

This is all to show that where you are born does not force you to be that way. It does have a say, but that say is no more than a suggestion, an option that you can choose. Being human, we can seek out other options and embrace them. That is why even Canaanites, Egyptians, Ninevites, Ethiopians, and even Babylonians could come to become believers in spite of the "remoteness" of their culture from the God of all flesh.

I think then that your claim is flawed.

U don't need to talk much... Take a look at how different religion is spread a cross the world. It seems it is determine by a region that is known by a particular religion.
I mean if what u are saying is the fact, We will have relatively equal spread across the globe

Maximus69:
There is nothing like luck in pure worship!

Each and everyone must learn to embrace it and struggle really hard not to lose it.

For instance, Mary was Jesus' mother yet Jesus said it doesn't matter! Matthew 12:46-49 compared to Luke 11:27-28

Jesus had at least six siblings yet only two {James and Judas} became Christians, while the others {Mary's children} perished!

So pure worship has NOTHING to do with luck, each person must work really hard to secure it! Luke 13:24
God bless you!

I think this is an insincere approach to the topic. If u are honest to ur self, u would agree that some people are luckier than others assuming one religion. Is actually the real one . For instance, if Christianity is the true religion... U would agree that a person born to a Nigerian Christian parents is luckier than a young man born in the heart of Saudi Arabia to a wealthy Muslim parents.

Just what reason does a Muslim child in Saudi has to leave a religion he has known all his life for some Christian infidel religion from the west?

Rubbish... For someone who is rotten and bedridden, he looks well chopped up to me.

My take.. The man has skin disease (which I can see not sign ye has been healed of), the took advantage if this skin disease and paid him for this show... Tells him to pretend to be bedridden and rotten...lol... This thread is a joke right?

GeniusWannabe:
He said those things were personal, that means no one else could have known about it, that rules out the possibility of an insider. How can someone just sit and accurately take a guess about someone's life?

U are asking the right questions but please add this question.... How could it have been God or any other supernatural unseen force?

Why would a loving God waste time giving a stranger an insight of the OP's personal life when there other more important life threatening and heart breaking situations he has neglected

Modernist:
Lol it's not like that, but most of those deaths are Avoidable deaths

Is death avoidable? I thought death is inevitable.

Pls show me how to live forever. Life is too sweet mbok

Are u seriously kidding me? God has not answered this prayer since u started this thread last year?

U are in ur house eating rice and beans while praying for someone with a wicked looking terrorists for more than two years now. Since its not u, u can happily say God is good and he is trying.

Well, keep on praying sha, hopefully she might come home soon with triplets and just post traumatic stress or maybe they would have just sexed the hell out of her life and she will have a little psychological disorder so that we can give God the Glory for it all.

Modernist:
If you do and continue to do the right thing you'll be alive tomorrow

Lol... U actually sound like all the people who died did the wrong things

There is no greater winner than the person who has the guts to give a being u so much cherish the middle finger and call him a bluff.

If ur God exists u will not even be here arguing with atheists on the existence of ur God... We will all know and our argument would be on choosing between him and the devil based on their actual effects in our lives.

Give atheists some credits... He God u fear and respect so much has been made nonsense before them... You can call urself a winner but ur God is more like a toothless lizard

correctguy0900:
I guess it will also be safe for ur wife to have a spare too. She's a human like u.

why will a wife want to be somebody's spare? thats foolishness on her part na

solite3:
Yes it means there is purpose for our creation and it give us the answer to alot of things.
the bible reveals the mind of God to us.

one which is that we shall be held accountable for our actions.

God described in the bible purely man made, there no prove he is real

Is God a human? Sometimes u guys talk and ask questions that diminishes the quality of your God.

Mistake is a human language and characteristics. Does God have the ability to behave like a human? Does a human have the characteristics of God?

God supposedly creates humans, the universe including planets and sun, he is the beginning of time and is the whole world himself... U guys subject this being to scrutiny, worship it, ask it for petty things, claim to speak to it, says he is loving and all shits u think humans do... I think all these is belittling of a God u claim is Almighty... And all these causes atheists like us to dissect him and make a mess of him since we are looking at these being through your eyes.

I think God, if he exists, is beyond us and looking at the age and history of the world, we actually can't have business with him.

solite3:
ok you care only about your daily goals.
you eat and drink tommorow you die right? bro life is more than this

U believe in a creator and suddenly life is more than this. I don't get it. Dude u just believe in a creator, don't go insinuating things u don't know. How does believing in a creator show that life is more than this? Does believing in a creator give u super power to know things?

solite3:
I believe based on God's word.
because God is not subject to the physical laws, you can only know him on its own terms.

What exactly is the use of this believe in achieving ur daily goal... If u don't understand the question do not bother to answer with off point

solite3:
I believe there is God, the one who created all things my premise is that nothing can exist without something acting to bring it to existence, even science supports this.

I believe from my observation of the material universe that the creator must have intelligence because for example man which is very complex cannot be by accident but by a delibrate design.

what do you think?

What exactly is the use of this believe in actualizing ur daily goals?

CAPSLOCKED:
YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN BROTHERS ARE THE ONES CARRYING GUNS AND CHARMS TO ROB CITIZENS AND RAPE INNOCENT WOMEN.

YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN UNCLES CAN'T DO WITHOUT SLEEPING WITH UNDERAGE "SMALL-SMALL GEHS", AND ARE NEVER STRAIGHT IN THEIR BUSINESSES.. ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CLIENTS TO CHEAT AND DUPE.

YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN SISTERS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING FOR WHO WILL TAKE THEM HOME FOR THE NIGHT FOR AS LITTLE AS 1K. THEIR MORALITY IS SO GODLY THAT THEY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH ABORTIONS, HARD DRUGS, PROSTITUTION AND ROBBERY.

YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN AUNTIES, THEY'RE THE ONES MISTREATING THEIR NANNIES WHEN THEY'RE NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS AT THE MARKETS, OR ENVYING EACH OTHER.

YOUR MORAL MUSLIM FRIENDS UP NORTH SHARPEN THEIR KNIVES DAILY, WAITING FOR A SIGNAL TO ENGAGE "INFIDELS" AND KILL THEM ALL.

YOUR MORAL VILLAGE PEOPLE ARE STEADILY LOOKING FOR WHO TO KILL WITH CHARMS.

YOUR MORAL FRIENDS IN THE CITY TRY TO EVADE PAYING TAX AND LIGHT BILLS. SOME ARE MOVING AROUND LOOKING FOR HANDBAGS AND PHONES TO SNATCH. SOME ARE LOOKING FOR GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO DECEIVE AND DO BAD BUSINESS WITH. SOME BUY LOTS OF GOODS WITH THE AIM OF PAYING FAKE CURRENCY, OR USING FALSE CREDIT ALERTS. SOME SPECIALIZE IN SELLING EXPIRED OR FAKE ITEMS THAT COULD DAMAGE SEVERAL HUMAN PARTS, BUT THEY DON'T CARE.

LETS NOT FORGET YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, THE ONES THAT SARS ARE ALWAYS TRACKING DOWN.

OUR PRISONS TODAY ARE OCCUPIED BY MOSTLY YOUR FELLOW MORAL CHRISTIANS. NOT UP TO 5% ARE FREETHINKERS, BECAUSE IN NIGERIA, THINKERS "THINK" ABOUT CRIME AND WHY NOT TO COMMIT CRIMES.

99% PERCENT OF YOU MORAL RELIGIONISTS EITHER HATE OR DESPISE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WORSHIP IN YOUR CHURCH, OR ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ANYONE WHO IS NOT YOUR TRIBE, OR YOUR FAMILY. YOU RENDER ASSISTANCE TO NO ONE UNLESS YOUR GOD TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO.

99% OF YOU MORAL RELIGIONISTS SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR MORAL GOD'S STANCE ON MURDER, GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, RAPE, AND SO MANY OTHER ABOMINABLE DEEDS YOUR GOD DID IN YOUR HOLY BOOKS.



IMMORAL BILL GATES HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY FOR AFRICAN KIDS AND HELPLESS PEOPLE FOR MANY YEARS RUNNING.
YOUR MORAL POLITICIANS ONLY CARE FOR THEIR STOMACHS, AND WOULD KILL ANYBODY THAT STANDS FOR THE TRUTH.


IN THIS WORLD, WE SHALL NOT SEE THE END OF FOOLISHNESS UNTIL RAPTURE COMES AND TAKES ALL OF YOU CHRISTIANS.

This reminds me of passing by a brothel one morning and heard them girls doing morning devotion... Lol

johnydon22:
Invocation of transcendental authority is a belief not a conclusion.

Ascertaining value as intrinsic is implied in the assumption of 'intent' as a requirement for creation.

I'm afraid this doesn't show religious people skip the basis - they really don't.

what

Any thought about a subject that instill value or distinction in value is a belief.

Educate to know what, I'm not getting this at all

Listen to him johnny, he is making more sense