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Maximus69:
What's the purpose of talking if you can't achieve anything?

The act of 'Atheism' started long ago right from the beginning of human's history but the group name sufficed just of recent!

I've told you Mr Amateur Atheist, REAL Atheists don't believe anything so they're not ready to convince you over anything except stealing from you by trick!

So if you're not making any gain from your talks talks talks then you're a believer, because only believers talk for free apart from insanes!

LordReed is a REAL atheist, because it's evident from his talks that he has something to gain from turning people over to atheism, perhaps a professor who is making money from the faculty otherwise he wouldn't be here arguing just for the sake!

But as for you, you're just a total follow follow bench warmer who knows nothing other than the pains the REAL atheists have inflicted on you, yet you think you're now free but the bitter truth is THEY'RE JUST STEALING YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. They'll make their own money after enrolling students for their evolution theory while you'll just be following them with empty pockets just as their folks in the churches did to you before!

So you're still in the same place, it's just a change of name Sir!

Maximus69:
Never mind again Mr Atheism!
You're not a liar jare, i'm the one mistaken you for other folks of your faculty.
You PERSONALLY have never blamed religion before, it's just that your faculty have always compared herself with religion ever since i've known her.
But you are much more sincere and honesthearted than your faculty as a whole!

Maximus69:
See frustration written all over your face just because you're reading the post of another intelligent mind like yours!
My friend, it's not by force to agree with whatever someone tells you, be it true or false what makes the difference is results as in benefits.
If atheism makes sense to you, that doesn't mean it will make sense before everyone. What makes sense before real intellectuals is whatever yields positive results.
What is the purpose of discussing with other humans?
Is it not to solve problems?
If atheism is working out, how many people have atheism enlightened so that the little number have been liberated from killing and hurting other humans?

It's obvious you're just a newly recruited amateur in atheism! As you can't read through people's response without harshly insulting them!
So when next you see intelligent minds having a debate, just listen because you're not yet mature enough for intelligent talks of this nature!

Maximus69:
Mr Atheist, no one is your student here so anger and harshness won't solve the riddle Sir!

It's calmness and simple presentations that works when you want to reach the heart of an intelligent creature.

You're complaining of inconsistencies yet you can't clearly separate your assertions from questions!

Well i'll help you out. You asked four questions apart from your heady arguments. These are the answers :

(1) Spirits are UNSEEN higher intelligent beings, you know they're at work when intelligent creatures jointly come together to do something that's unnatural! You and i are human, we know what to expect from humans in each situation and don't arrogantly argue that because it's the main reason you've been arguing all these while {expecting humans to react in a way you feel is normal} so if you're now seeing a great number of humans unitedly doing the uncommon, then know that an unseen higher intelligent being is at work!

(2) You're 100% correct there, Satan don't want you to believe anything so that you can carry out the most wicked act without a second thought. That's why i told you earlier that REAL atheists speaks by action NOT words!

(3) God is a Spirit and according to his word spirits don't have genders, that's why he made the only intelligent creature on earth of just one specie. But after noticing him for some times he thought of giving him a partner so that he could have someone with whom he could always rub minds! If your former Yahoo Pastors taught you that God is omni this omni that, it's totally wrong theory, he only thinks good and that's why he later started making provisions to curb the evil resulting from the crookedness of his only intelligent fleshy creature 'Man'!

(4)He only send his spirit sons{angels} to convey some useful information to us, these ones materialises in the form that we can relate with, so most people who have seen angels recorded it that they look like humans but that doesn't mean they have the type of body humans have. So God need not appear to anyone as long as we're living fine, but if not he will inspire one person to speak to the others about what we're doing wrong. Of course that's why we have mouth to talk, ears to listen and that's the same reason you are trying to communicate with other intelligent creatures like you to reason, otherwise you need not talk to others at all if each and everyone of us is completely equipped for good works!

Maximus69:
@frank317

I need to explain the illustration of the falsely accused standing before the crooked judge!

¤Accused:Invisible God!
¤Accusers:Persons inflicting pain on their fellowman!
¤Prosecuting Counsels:Those blaming God!
¤Witnesses:Bible Writers!
¤Judge:You and i!

*God is a Spirit {invisible}
*Real atheists are worshippers of Satan who feels there is no need to be just, so they inflict pain on others
*People blaming God for all the misappropriations happening under the sun
*Inspired Bible writers God dealt with directly to pen down his words
*Everyone living now, while few feels the words of the Witnesses are true, billions thought it's all rubbish until God appear so they can unleash their fury on him!

Maximus69:
What exactly do you think or expected God to do to prove he exists?

How would you feel if you're arraigned before a judge for crimes you never committed? Several accusers are pointing accusing fingers at you, lots and lots of petitions written against you and the judge now sits helplessly listening while different prosecuting counsels are questioning you all based on the false accusations!

Now you've lived in different places so that countless Witnesses from all these places you lived came all the way from their different destinations standing by you right there inside the courtroom testifying that all those allegations are false, and that you're a loving and caring person. But the prosecuting counsels are insisting you must do all those virtuous deeds your Witnesses are saying all over again before considering the words of your countless Witnesses!

Well that's exactly what's happening here right now!

We're alive on the only single planet that can preserve life, while there are countless others without life, there are countless creatures on our planet but just one intelligent specie can determine the continuous existence of all others {man}, everything that we need to know about our existence is all documented in a book that's mysteriously distributed across the globe and there is a group of people from all races joyfully relating as one global family of peace-loving worshippers in a politically divided world, and you're here questioning the existence of that Super Intelligent Being who have made all these possible!

Pray that you don't fall victim of prejudice only to be arraigned before a crooked judge, because God will never do more than what he has done to prove his existence before sincere and honesthearted observers who are people of goodwill!

I'm still maintaining my point that none of you here on NL is a REAL atheist. But if you truthfully wish to know how ATHEISM began, just signify by saying 'YES' and i will show you NOT from your textbooks but inside the book before all other books 'BIBLE'!

Maximus69:
@frank317

You need to think about what happened in Russia recently.
The Russian authorities declared Jehovah's Witnesses a terrorist group in their country, this attracted the attention of neighbouring nations because it's unthinkable for any right thinking person to label the JWs as TERRORISTS.
WHY?
Because all governmental authorities have their military intelligence section and the code used in detecting terrorism totally contradicts what we're all SEEING JWs doing!
So what's the motive behind Russia's allegation?

Rulers in all parts of the earth have one common spell they cast on their people 'The national Anthem'. With this spell they manipulates the minds of their unintelligent zombies to love or hate based on what these rulers decided upon.
But this spell proves futile with Jehovah's Witnesses, because we love everyone even including those who hate us without any reason!
There is an ongoing political unrest throughout the earth today as the rulers of the nations are striving for supremacy. Russia is the only ally that's formidable enough to connive with before tackling US {present world power}. Now Russians are planning to manipulate the hearts of their people against US, but as long as Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching is jeopardising their effort since the headquarter of Jehovah's Witnesses organization is situated in the US!
If not for Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia believes they'll conquer America in no time!
That's the reason why the most peaceful group ever is tagged as terrorists all of a sudden!

Maximus69:
Now you're talking!

Intelligent question!

How do we correlate all what we've said so far with the existence of GOD?

Note one undeniable fact that there's no way intelligent beings can set rules that will suit the minds of all concerned without the acknowledgement of a Supreme Being 'GOD'!

That's why the world has no peace, and there is no organised group that has conquered the evil emanating from racism and politics.
Because the invisible force 'GOD' that could actuate such orderliness is not in their midst!

Jehovah's Witnesses is that group serving as indisputable evidence of the existence of GOD as they're able to eliminate racism and politics in the minds of all adherents! We embrace one another as brothers, no matter where you come from.

Because unlike unintelligent zombies like you whose mind can easily be manipulated to hate and kill your fellowman, Jehovah's Witnesses are intelligent zombies that fully understood the benefit of orderliness that's based on LOVE. Not the fabricated ideologies of some manipulators restricting us to love ONLY those they choose!

Zombies are truly robotic humans who are easily manipulated to do certain things that if thoroughly examined makes no sense.
But when you're compelled to do things that's beneficial to the entire human race by a group that's neither racist nor political, and at the same time playing along with the rules of secular authorities who are controlling most people in your neighbourhood, then you're an INTELLIGENT ZOMBIE!

Maximus69:
You aren't getting angry again, are you?

Calm down Mr atheist and reason beyond what's presented only for your eyes to see!

You're an unintelligent zombie Sir.
For instance, Jehovah's Witnesses DON'T HAVE PASTORS! So don't rashly conclude within your unintelligent mind that just as your former predators preyed on you and your folks, all professed believers were robbed too!

You're claiming atheist yet you agree on standards set by humans like you, and you are agitating that you're not a zombie!

I told you earlier that i worked for several years with the military intelligence, and i am telling you now that you're a ZOMBIE!
Do you realise that those standards set are just to police unintelligent zombies like you?

Come on my friend each time you see laws amended, it's because such law is too stringent and so difficult to BEND for your intelligent rulers!
As long as they can always BEND such rules to favour themselves, it stand in it's place to police unintelligent zombies like you!

You're hailing the rules that limits your freedom to travel everywhere you want just because they require that you follow the protocols, i'm sorry for you Sir.

We moved from one country to another with just one code as military intelligence officers WITHOUT THOSE PROTOCOLS, because we keep all the secrets of your rulers and whoever plays smart amongst the unintelligent zombies are deleted{Killed}.

Please Sir don't liken those protocols to that of a stranger encroaching upon your property, because it's not comparable in any way!
I set up security arrangements to prevent thieves from BORROWING what they'll like to keep without returning. In our neighbourhood we do have doors, burglaries proofs and guards{man/beast}.
But who implanted in your brains that the next person should be under the control of some rules that differs from yours? Who taught you that after what they set as boarders you must demand for passport, visas etc before greeting your fellowman with love?

Sorry my atheist friend, if a goat in your country could easily mingle with another goat from Uganda, but you a supposed intelligent creature {homosapient} is restricted to such freedom NOT because your fellowman is a criminal but simply because some individuals made you BELIEVE it must be so, then you're nothing but an UNINTELLIGENT ZOMBIE!

Maximus69:
Four questions in all!
So
(1) Yes! People's minds should be controlled otherwise there is no reason to set standards, regulations or rules in the society. The constitution shapens people's thoughts on how things ought to be done!

(2) Yes! Higher intelligent ones should teach lesser intelligent once how to do things so that everything will be orderly!

(3) The word ZOMBIE has various definitions so you can choose how to apply it, but as long as we live by some forms of standards not PERSONALLY set by ourselves, we're all zombies! So it's either you're an intelligent zombie { those who broke the barriers after liberating themselves from such rules} or unintelligent zombies {those who willfully subjected themselves to the rules and barriers}

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we have liberated ourselves from those who will make you feel you shouldn't relate with others simply because of the barriers they set for you! I and any other JW from any part of the globe will relate as brothers while the zombie rules will keep you restricted to where they want you to be!

(4) It's not an offense since we're all living under the rules set by others, and we're all complying to the rules whether beneficial or not. For instance, you must go through a lot of rigorous protocols simply because you want to travel from on part of the earth to another.
You're required to get a passport, visa and so on just because some humans grouped you under them and gave you a label e.g Nigerians
Please don't tell me you're not also a zombie if you succumb to such arrangement!

Maximus69:
Hmmm,

This is what i've been trying to tell your colleague 'LordReed'!

Who is getting emotional over this now?

Calling people ZOMBIES doesn't change the fact that you're going against the norms of your faculty!
What your faculty says is "no mind controlling" and if you're a true student of such a faculty you need not be found arguing bitterly over MIND CONTROLLING!

If i happens to be an atheist and someone starts preaching to me, i'll just find a sit for him/her and continue chilling with my brandy! Of course he'll leave peacefully if he's not ready to join me or keep talking while i watch his drama, after all people do pay cash to watch standing comedians, so why should i deprive myself of free entertainment?
Moreover engaging such a person in a dialogue won't allow me enjoy the full show, because i can't REALLY enjoy the movie will trying to play a part as one of the cast!

Maximus69:
The TRUTH is right before you Sir. It's indisputable and there's nothing you can say to refute it!

Believers were commissioned to "go out and make disciples" so they're still on track. If you meet them on the road doing what their book say, would it make any sense trying to silence them over what they're compelled to do?

But atheism is about "no mind controlling" which means there's no need to convince anyone or pester anyone to have a CHANGE of heart and start reasoning along with you. Whichever way an intelligent being has concluded to live his/her life is OK.
So what you guys are doing here totally contradicts the norms of your own faculty!

That's my point Sir!

Chiprince007:
Good day LordReed. Have seen a lot of posts you've made on nairaland. But I want to sincerely ask you your reasons for being an atheist. Hope this question is not offensive

Maximus69:
There are just two types of REAL atheists.

(1) Those who hides their thoughts professing God exists : They engaged in the most disgusting things you can't even think of in the hidden, because they're fully convinced within them that there is nothing like God, and they use the opportunity to enslave gullible people!

(2) Those who are truthfully convinced within them that there is nothing like God: They're happily going their ways peacefully as freethinkers NOT spending a minute with religionists over what they're convinced doesn't exist!

But you who claiming atheists out of frustration and grief aren't real, because you're just sitting on the fence. You're neither here or there. It's just the agony of loosing so much to the real atheists that's making you agitate profusely instead of blissfully going you way!

Maximus69:
Most of you became atheists after realizing all what you've lost to the REAL atheists. They profess they know God but disown him by their deeds! 2Timothy 3:5

So before you boldly speak for atheism, remember your fathers {those who deluded you with false ideas} making you stand against God UNSEEN only to support yet another God EVOLUSION thay you're NOT seeing?

Maximus69:
Action speaks louder than words nah!

You might be confused with the utterances of crooked intelligent creatures but we TRUE Christians do see beyond mere utterance Sir!

You're just claiming atheists by mere words of mouth, we identify the REAL atheists by their deeds! Matthew 7:15-20 Mark 7:6

So calm down Mr atheist, you're not REAL!

Maximus69:
You're right Sir,
YES, each of us all have mouth and brain for a reason!
That's why we try to reason together for the benefit of one and all.

But what most people claiming atheists don't know is that atheism is not just the idea of discarding the existence of God alone, it's much more than that!

All those claiming believers but telling others "God asked me to tell you" anything that's not documented today are all atheists as well. Because they're the ones fast recruiting people for atheism than those already claiming atheists!

The existence of God has nothing to do with seeing him do something spectacular or hearing DIRECTLY from him now, it about seeing those who are unitedly worshiping together peacefully as one happy global family! Isaiah 2:2-4

That's why he called them his Witnesses. Isaiah 43:10-12
You wouldn't need any Witnesses if everyone is SEEING you doing something, would you?

Maximus69:
You are here on a religious forum, always arguing day and night just to tell those claiming believers to forget about their God!
You keep quoting their books which shows that you've read the book over and over again, but instead of relieving yourself of all the stress, you intend to carry their burden on yourself. And when someone is telling you something is missing in your strategy you flair up and result to insult!

My friend, STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF!

The concept of God's existence is not about seeing him do something neither hearing anything directly from him, it's about the driving force of making intelligent creatures think alike!

So if you don't believe in God, then there is no sense in expecting intelligent creatures like you, Who are also free moral agents to accept, agree or compelled to reason along with you!

Maximus69:
Hello Frank,

Let's reason together logically on the issue of God's existence. In all cases, WITNESSES are called to narrate what happened behind the scene that's not obvious to everyone.
Well i happens to be one of God's Witnesses, and i'm a living proof of his existence.
So can we just have a friendly chat on the issue?

Please we need not go emotional about this, let's feel free to ask whatever question comes to our minds and be tactful with our expressions! There's no need to fear or threaten someone just because he/she demands for a reason for believing in an invisible spirit that intelligent individuals must obey!

So can we chat as intellectuals, please ignore any third party for now if you feel such could cause any distraction, i promise not to address any other post apart from your!

My name is Maximus and i'm one of God's Witnesses!

Righteousness89:
These Words will be Relayed to you on the D day...



You Passed Judgement on yourself and by Yourself...

Emusan:
So how do you know that prayer, fasting and praises aren't part of that purpose

Righteousness89:
My Bro, the same BEING you call Stupid is the same Person you will Report to once you leave the Earth...

Just Imagine How it will be?

Righteousness89:
The ONE who Created you can do what he likes with you.

Graduateacher:
"He/she", who's that?

The God I know is a "He". God is not all interfering though, most times, you need to "ask for His service". I never heard Abel ask God to protect him from his viscous brother.


PS: I don't respond to mentions from atheists.

Ihedinobi3:
Let me ask you this instead:

Does having an all-seeing eye, as you put it, obligate God to protect anybody from being killed? I mean, why do you expect this to be the case?

Righteousness89:
Answer

Job 9:12

Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

Isah 45:9

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Romans 9:20

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

thesicilian:
There's no direct answer in the scriptures. My best bet is that we're all created for different purposes and with different lifespans. Maybe Abel had served his purpose on Earth already. Similar to the reason why mere mortals would be able to nail the son of the Almighty to the cross.

Image123:
Sorry i didn't get the memo when this happened. Perhaps i've not been as frequent in this section as i suppose. What i know of unbelievers like you in this section is faulting others(christians/muslims) for believing by learning. They claim that the christian morality does not stand, because according to them, it is obtained by learning/environment. That it/morality will be different if we were not born in church. Something along that line. Meanwhile, here you are building the foundation of your morality on that same plain. So what makes your morality superior to the other, or more right than the other since you both learned it?

So, you believe morality should keep changing? Interesting. Like tomorrow, you may learn that it is moral to blow up the 'infidels'. What is pain to you is joy to some e.g bdsm(sorry to use that). What is authority to you is not to others e.g FG vs IPOB And on and on like that.

Not that simple, as we are all different and not wired up the same way. What cracks my ribs with laughter may not even bring up a smile on your face. As we both know, there are several types of learnings and indoctrinations the world over, so i don't think you want to use it as your foundation for morality. My learning is senior to yours, your learning is superior to mine. Who agrees? Is incest wrong, yes. Then tomorrow, i learn that it is right. Then two years later, i learn again that it is wrong as learning never stops. Then a decade later, another learning. And the curve goes on like that. This is not morality my friend.

johnydon22:
You are failing to see how my reply simply highlights the problems of your position.

The point is, that a Christian believes this, doesn't necessarily make it right.

Just like believing the contrary doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

If yout argument remains that something is right because you are taught it is right then everything is right.

If something can be righter than the other, then 'right' is objective. This is an implication of your own argument. Are you not getting it at all?

Uuuhm, No.

For something to be more something than this, that means that the 'essence' of being that thing is constant, objective, the nearer you are in reflecting that essence, the more of that thing you are.

If something can be righter than another, then the idea of morality is objectively determined without and you begin to find out things that are nearer to this objective essence.

A subjective morality on the other hand is personal, your opinion is no more valid than mine, what you think is right isn't anymore righter than the average bob.

So, if you think morality can be righter than another, you are saying morality is objective.

Christ! The objectivity of morality on that post is a direct implication of you saying that something can be righter than another

A subjective morality has no moral facts.

You are implying there is a moral fact when you argue that something can be more right than the other.

Moral facts can only be present if one argue that morality is objective - inherent like the laws of physics..

You are conflating the implications of subjective moral grounds and objective consequence. It doesn't work that way.

You are arguing that whatever is right or wrong starts as a personal opinion of an individual. Stop changing the words a reply was meant for.

You are assuming my subjective morality takes accounts of pain as immoral

Rights are not inherent. It's an imagined order, a belief.

Again, my reply is addressing your self refuting idea that morality is personal and yet one can be righter than the other.

Ok, we are getting somewhere slowly.

Doesn't this then imply than learning something as right doesn't necessarily mean it is right?

I asked a question, If we all agree that murder is right, is it?

If, No, why?

That is the definition of self imposed delusion.

P.s: You are basically taking my replies as a counter argument, which it is not. My replies are simply there to highlight problems your position brings.

johnydon22:
Let me refer to a question by Hopefullandlord


Hopefullandlord: In a nutshell, you're saying something is right or wrong based on how you're trained?

Frank: Yes... Plus a couple of other things. But training, learning is one of them

Your answer implies something is right or wrong because you learnt it to be so as I said in my previous reply.

Which is self refuting to the idea that you can change people's mind - consequently a superior form of morality.

Therefore, something isn't necessarily right because you are taught it was right.

Something isn't true because you are taught it is, you only believe it to be true.

If things can be righter than the other, then morality is objective.

If morality is subjective, then nothing can be more right than the other.

A subjective morality has no moral facts.

Disagree. No moral action is ever in isolation.

There is either a mundane factor - Human, animals etc
Or a transcendental factor - God

If what you think is right is right then the arguments are useless since none is righter than the other

The only way for the argument to be necessary is if there is a way morality is derived that transcends personal opinion.

Then, believing you are right doesn't necessarily mean so.

Morality is a mob rule then?

If everyone agrees that murdering someone in the ally and taking their money is good then it is good?

What about the empathy and stuff? What roles do they play on such instance?

So, If the popular opinion is that it isn't wicked then you are the wrong one?

There is no such a thing as Your own truth. [quote]Then why are ur believes on exactly the same with everyone else?

[quote]Anyway, my question is; Isn't the matetials you are taught already determined and derived before being impacted to you?

This other people's learning how are they derived?

johnydon22:
Here is the problem - Your posts implies that whatever you are taught as right is right.

How then are you trying to change people's mind?

Since they are right.
You are right?

Unless you recognize a form of right than is more right than the right these folks were taught and that then means, they are wrong.

Which consequently leads the conclusion that something isn't right because you are taught it is - and it contradicts your own stance.

Your position here is self refuting

Meaning some things are righter than the others?

You'd be surprised how these things wouldn't hold up much.

To be sure, Is what we See as right and wrong same thing as "What is right and wrong

The usage of the word " See" puts a whole new meaning to your argument.

The question is, But Is he right?

If No, why?

You call it "wicked" meaning you understand it is not right.

Why is it not right?

It's far more intricate than you make it out to be.

I have another question;
You learn about physics
Does this mean this act of learning determines what Physics is, or is this already established before it was impacted to you?

For you to learn right and wrong, it must first be derived, how this derivation is made is the actual philosophical problem of morality