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jesusjnr:
As I said earlier, I don't have any problem with y'all being here, because the gospel is actually meant for the unbelievers.

Ok

But you have said earlier that I am the one who opened a thread calling out atheists, hence my response about what y'all were doing here in the first place because if you weren't here that wouldn't have been warranted.

Well, like I told u, we are here questioning ur believe and helping u ask critical questions.

To be honest with you, you're one of those who have informed my doubts about the existence of atheism, because think you believe that God exists but you are just using atheism to get back at him for some grouse you have with him either directly or indirectly.

So how does my questioning critical issues about Christianity shows I am getting back at God. Well, that's ur cup of tea. I don't think God exists hence I am seeking out reason to see he does... So far u have done a poor job... Hence I am getting confidence by the day in my thinking he does not exist.

You're not alone by the way, but you're one of them that made me have such doubts.

So tell me the truth, am I wrong?

Yes, u are wrong. I have no reason to believe God exists... In fact, u are one of those that have made me so sure that the believe in God is just a delusion.

durubrian:
the important question is , Do you have sense??



Already asked, awaiting response.

Hope ur question has been answered

jesusjnr:
Not that I want to drive y'all away, but the truth is that your being here alone negates everything you've said.

We being here only shows something is wrong with ur belief (which we also have been a victim of in the past) and that's what we are tryinv to show u.

So if you truly don't believe God exists, why not tell me first what you're doing in a religion section first of all?

We are here telling u that the God u believe in does not exist.

I didn't invite you here by the way, you invited yourself.

So?

On ur own u open a thread calling out atheists and atheists respond then all of a sudden they are exerting too Much energy talk g about a nonexistent God.

You preach to atheists and they ask u critical questions that u can never and will never answer than all of a sudden they are exerting too much energy discussing a nonexistent

U believe in a being with out proof and allow ur self to be deceived by con men and be brainwashed and atheists helps u ask questions u can never answer, all of a sudden they are hating on ur God.

How about just show he exists or accept u have no case.

How does it affect u weather kanye repents or not. What do u stand to gain?

Who the hell loves his wife like a daughter... So what then happens with our daughters? Love them like a wife?
And the foolishness continues

jesusjnr:
No man knows for sure since they only ate it after the tempter came, but the chances are that they wouldn't have.

However the fact that the tempter had succeeded in making them eat the fruit shows that the temptation to eat the fruit was already there, but that it was only made more tempting by the tempter to the extent of convincing them to take that bite.

But if they hadn't eaten the fruit irrespective of the temptation of the tempter, they would have passed the test and graduated to the level of being overcomers of the temptation and hence the tempter. #Jesus

That's the purpose of the tempter.

So the tempter only confirmed the intention to eat from the fruit and this intention had always been in their mind before the temper?

jesusjnr:
Well I can see that from your comments is so much hatred and anger against God that you're no hating on Kanye as well not just me. But all I can say to you is that God loves you regardless.

And I hope that you eventually get to realize that as Kanye and many others who were once in your shoes did.

#GODLOVESYOU

SMH... Mention one line in my whole writeup that signifies hatred for u, Kanye or ur imaginary God

jesusjnr:
Yes God truly loves you in spite of that, even if you can't see how. And I only used Kanye's instance because I thought you could relate with that, as Kanye dearly loved his mum as you did, lost his mum as you did, and as a result also questioned God's love as you did. Because if you really knew Kanye, you would know that you didn't love your mum more than Kanye did his, for Kanye's mum was his best friend, inspiration, menthor, the only parent that brought him up from childhood, infact she was his everything.

So to lose her all of a sudden was really devastating for him, it made him literally go insane and to be very angry with God which reflected in the drastic turn his music suddenly took afterwards, beginning from the "808 and heartbreak" album up to the last one.

Therefore for Kanye to now go back to the same God he was angry at for letting his mum die, says something about what he now thinks about God's love for me in spite of that, hence my sharing it with you.

The reason I know all this, is because I followed Kanye closely when he was singing "Jesus walks" up to the third album "Graduation", so I know how close he was to his mum before she died, because he proudly displayed her like a badge to ensure that everyone who knew him, knew she was his mum. I think she was also his manager, so when it happened, I just knew that it was going to really take a toll on him so i wasn't shocked when it did. But I'm glad he's back so that I can start following him and his music closely again.

And I hope you'd get to eventually realize God's love for you in spite of that as Kanye did.

U admit that I cannot see God's love around me, yet u keep on repeating he loves me despite all the disgusting things around me like u are a machine.
I don't even see God's love around Kanye's life. Kanye made all his money worshipping "Satan" being around Jay Z and living an I don't care life. Where was God when the young man was making money... Now that Kanye has decided to worship God, he is not taking the glory for everything and claiming love.
However, the difference between me and Kanye is that Kanye stopped believing because he lost his mum, I stopped believing after really thinking through the whole Christianity thing and realizing it makes not sense. All I was left with were questions that can never be answered. Just people like u telling me to believe despite not getting answers.
God has never told me he loves me, all I see is an up and down world. I am in my early forties and since I was a kid, I have seen an up and down world where good or evil happens to just everyone. You have given me no reason to see God's love and I really don't expect anything from u because u are as confused as Kanye.
God cannot speak, he cannot show himself to me all the years of my life and I have to rely on u to know what God is... Both of u are a huge joke.

Anyways, enjoy ur delusional life... Just know that ur God has proven himself to be useless and non-existent... A God that cannot simply show himself, is that one God?

jesusjnr:
Yeah, God still loves you regardless.

I know it's hard to believe that under such a circumstance, but if you can see beyond it, you'd get to realize that God still loves you in spite of that.

You know, Kanye West went through a very similar ordeal, when he lost his best friend, his dearly beloved mum who he sang a beautiful song for while she was yet alive. Prior to that he was a rare hip hop artist who was preaching the gospel on the world stage with some of his music taking it places that the gospel rarely got to, but when that happened to him I believe he couldn't believe that God could love him and yet allow such a tragedy to befall him.

And hence a drastic change in the course of his music which became very hostile and rebellious towards God, as though it was a revolt against God for allowing that to happened to him.

But today Kanye West is back, and not just back but taking his preaching of the gospel via his music up another level, because i heard it's all gospel music now.

So I believe that the difference is simply that now he could see that God loved him irrespective of what happened to his mum then.

Now he has gone Kanye after 'God loves u despite that'

U put ur self in a web and use Kanye to escape?

Abeg leave Kanye and show me how God loves us despite allowing evil that he can easily stop

jesusjnr:
So sad!

She died before old age, really sorry about your loss.

That's God's love, according to u

jesusjnr:
Sorry about your dear mum, but how old was she when she died?

56

Why do I suspect u actually went there to get high... What type of prayer is don't in Marijuana hub?

jesusjnr:
Are you dead or alive?

I am alive, but my dear mum is dead

LordReed:
Jehovah loves Satan ie Jehovah loves evil. LMFAO!

LOL... No God loves Satan, that why Satan is alive

jesusjnr:
Yes, by allowing you to exist, He loves you!

Now u are indirectly saying God hate people that are dead (because he sure did not allow them to live)

Martinez79:
Sweet talk? Why are you acting like ladies don't know what they are doing? It's common for guys to ask ladies out, so why call it sweet talk as though the guys were brainwashing and manipulating the ladies into a relationship? Do guys asks ladies out for the sake of love or to play "chess" with them? Face the facts, boys are the ones that are usually used, sucked dry, cheated on, and dumped cold despite the sacrifices and investment in the relationship. What was their undoing? Falling in love. If you can get all these for loving someone, what does that say about the person you love? Do you still think boys are the heartless manipulators?

It happens many times and we see that by the threads with stories and pleas by unfortunate boyfriends seeking the advice of nairalanders. Despite all these, you act like boys are the manipulators and girls are the victim? Are you serious? Mind you, I am not saying that there are no bad men in relationship.

It's not news anymore, except you want to pretend, that romantic relationship is called a scam for a reason. Do you know the gender of the usual victims of this scam? That's your assignment.

- Martinez39

Cc. CAPSLOCKED, astroG, healthserve, ubunja, lukui, JONNYSPUTE, emmaodet

I am not sure am with u on this

God created evil so as to give us opportunity to growth? Growth into what? So what have u learnt from evil since u were born? Has it made u superman?

If a 40 years old man molest ur 4 years old daughter to death, kindly tell me the lesson learnt for you, ur daughter and the 40yrs old man

LadySarah:
Bearing in mind that your name sounds muslim,are you sure a second wife isnt loading?

What needs to be said.
1a.When someone says hurtful things to you during a quarell,that is wht they have been thinking about you.
1b. 5x and you always come back.You are a good woman but Its time to change tactic.

2.The house belongs to both of you.If he says leave,dont leave.If he didnt push you or your stuff out,stay.Dont give him room to keep disrespecting you.Go to the fridge,take enough food then back to the sitting room.Make sure you stretch your legs well on the cushion and watch your favorite movie.You can Play a song and sing away .you can also Run around the house with your bby

If your presence irritates him,then he should leave.If he doesnt come back and the house is rented,make sure you stay till the last day of rentage and go back to ur parents,thats if he refuses to renew it.
Thankfully,their home is opened for you.

3.The baby's welfare should be paramount to both of you.so,if he didnt buy it,both of you should endure the crying.Do not initiate any discussion anymore .

4.At this stage,you shouldnt think of another baby.Theres no peace here.Work on yourselves.

5.Pray.Counselling is also neccessary.If he refuses to go then let him be.
6.If it gets physical,Nne,run!!!!!!!!!! .

PLS,Thankfully you work.Stop these arguments.Ignore him when he tries to provoke you.Dont watch warroom .Pls make yourself happy.You owe it to yourself.Dont let any human define your happiness.

Wow... I am so proud of u... It feels good to read from intelligent people. Some comments here are so annoying that if I had not read this, I would have had serious depression.

peggywebbs:
Very funny to say I'm denying Christians. Well I'm not surprised about your ignorance. Obviously you have been so wrapped up in your hatred that you forget to seperate the wickedness of man from your hatred of God.

We have cultists in Nigeria that guise as Christians to deceive people. I'm sure you would not accept it since you have clouded your mind to compare the nature of God to man. We are responsible for our actions and we should be ready to bear the consequences.

A Christian is not defined by going to church or reading the bible, even atheists read bible and have been to church. It is about your life. It is how your belief shapes your life. When you go out people should be able to acknowledge that you are not only a reasonable person but also good in every sense.

Contrary to what you athiest believe, if you meet true Christians which are very rare I must add, you will have a change of opinion. We have a lot of people who claim to be Christians but are more wicked than unbelievers.

A true Christian, embraces love, peaceful coexistence, charity, patience and other good attributes. They are good not just because of religion but because they have adopted good in their lifestyle. Christianity is not defined by the agressive noise makers you encounter who claim that if you don't believe God you will die and they will live. Then move on to be agressively resentful about others. It is about showing people why it pays to be good and live a righteous life.

When I says Christians I mean people who live by the word of God and set examples with their lives. Even Jesus says not everyone who calls me Lord, will enter the kingdom of God. This shows that there are pretenders.

And again I say true Christians will never commit suicide. Only unbelievers do. A Christian has cultured their mind to the existence of heaven and hell. They know that killing themselves will lead them to a fate worse than their earthly situation. A fake Christian and unbelievers will be consumed by the fear of their problem and think ending their life will put a stop to it.

Contrary to some people I am not insensitive about suicide but if religion can caution you to face your situation headstrong, then I believe it is better than not believing in anything.

So are u one of the true Christians... I don't see anything to emulate just from ur first response on how u laugh when an atheist commits suicide.

Finally no one is even a Christian, what's all the hypocrisy all about then?

FOLYKAZE:
The worst moment is when I watched my son laid down helplessly on hospital bed for days gasping for breathe until he gave up ghost. The situation makes me hate God more

Wow bro... As a father, I can imagine.

And some foolish people will tell u its all an all loving God's plan

malvisguy212:
I think you should thank blind chance for somehow produced the right properties for your existence. what intelligent minded scientists could not do .

Who the Fk is blind chance... Have ur run mad with giving thanks to anything u imagine?

Which is the better way to trend? Fake ur death or shake ur ass and breast while half naked?

Why exactly is he thanking God despite all the people that died

Foolish people

MuttleyLaff:
Let those who fear any such speak for themselves

Speak? Bros we live in the same world as Christians. We have been to churches... Attend, deeper life, chosen, or TB tarbanacle, or even look at church banners... It's all about fighting demons or spiritual husband or prayers against enemies.

Heck, a simple journey with God is good transport will have u see fake preachers (beggers) who sell protection in the name of prayer, he will come in and help u bind demons on the way, or his prayer will suddenly make the become expert and his prayer will make God tell armed robbers to park well... Then he will collect money from gullible Christians and call it promoting the ministry (or fraud)... Fear fear Christians every where.

It's just sad

johnydon22:
Have you heard of the anti-christ?

It was George Bush. No. Obama.

Or is it Trump?

Uuuhm, It was Pope John Paul, naaah, Benedict fits much better. Hey, what about Francis? Eheeeh, you got it.

The life of an average Nigerian Christian is one filled with perpetual fear and suspicion.

1. Fear of marine kingdom
2. Fear of ogboni, ekanka and amok
3. Fear of Witches and wizards
4. Native doctors and traditionalist
5. Demons and vampires that walk the night
6. Evil manipulation that tied that lady's wombs
7. What about that uncle that destroyed your destiny spiritually.
8. Oh, your mother inlaw that quite possibly eats your children in the womb
9. What about those charms buried in the village? Ancestral curses? Padlocks without keys lying carelessly about? Or, that sacrifice lying on a crossroad?

A Christian sees a threat everywhere.
A life that constantly finds new fears to adopt that I'm forced to pity such a life.

A Christian believes he or she serves an all powerful God that can do anything, but doesn't hesitate to jump at the slightest sight of even the least convoluted sights.

A hilarious irony that beggers reason

An incessant paranoia utilized by the men of God to keep the people perpetually in their grasp.

If you lose the fear of demons or witches or mamiwater, of what use is that man of God that calls down fire and brimstone?

If your life is not ruled by fear of everything, of what use is that pastor that promises you divine protection once he lays his hands on you?

I have never seen a people so ruled by fear, suspicion and unhealthy paranoia like I have noticed in the lives of Nigerian Christians.

They fear everything... The devil and his fleets of demons, they fear cats, bats, owl, crying children, atheists, Muslims and even the so called God they worship.

malvisguy212:
I think the op was trying to say if you believed in the awe and the wonder and the mystery, the amazing design of the univers, you will be tempted to thank who ? I guess blind chance ?

long time bro, trust all is well ?

Why should I thank anything or anybody for the awe and mystery of the universe? When I finish thanking it what will happen... This how u guys waste ur time on rubbish

muykem:
The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank.

But u would rather thank nobody and be happy?

destinyy23:
Oh..really? Such instances do exist, atheists survive accidents too but in my own case, I choose to attribute it to God. I have no power of my own to save life or foresee events before they occur. Severally, I've dreamt and it manifested in reality. Man is a more spiritual being than physical, that's my opinion. You can believe what pleases you. Good morning and have a beautiful day ahead.

Choosing to attribute ur survival to God or even stone or cow is not the issue. The issue is, how do we prove it is actually God that saved us.
Did he tell u? What's the rational behind saving u and not saving those who are unfortunate to die in such circumstance? Can u explain out why and if its actually God that saved u?

U don't need to have power to save ur life before u survive an accident... All u need is be lucky that all variable are in place that can ensure u are saved.. E.g a good driver or not be in the place where u could actually get severely hit.

Bringing God into the equation only makes it more complex that even ur mind cannot handle. U bring in God like u know it all but when u are asked questions u start running round and round.

destinyy23:
I was involved in a ghastly motor accident last month, prior to that, it was shown to me in a dream two weeks earlier, already forgotten about the dream then the accident happened. I lost consciousness at the scene but regained my life while being rushed to the hospital. It can only be God. Atheists are difficult to convince just like religion fanatics. Once had one as a friend, a young Prof, so nice and down to earth..we kept debating about God until I gave up on him.
My advice; Don't try so hard to convince anyone, just live a life that reflects what Christianity is really about.

It can't only be God anything. People get accident everyday. Some die, some survive. Some had had dreams about it, some felt strange about something prior the accident.

Life has always been like that, God cannot be saving u only for u today to still die tomorrow. God cannot be saving u and not saving others who probably are more important in this world than u.

Oga when ur time to die reach, u will surely die. GOD or not... People die.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe Jesus ever existed?

I think he did, but claims about him are bogus. I think he was a nice guy that lived on this earth just as many nice guys we have seen around us. I think stories about him was over blown and I don't believe he was the son of any God or born of a virgin
I think he was killed for being too nice and having a different kind of teaching with many followers. I think the authorities didn't like his growing followership and doctrine. He was against their bad deeds and they conived to kill him.
Then wise cunning religions leaders made a God out of him and twisted his story other the years