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Image123:
Yes? What sort of double standards is this? Is something also right or wrong based on the training of Christians, Muslims and terrorists?

Isn't it why we argue here day and night to change the mindset of some people?
Our problem is that we refuse to see the reality.

Meanwhile I said plus a couple of things. Each individual think what they know is right, but through interaction and relearning they change their mind. While learning is one of what determines what us right or wrong...it is not the only thing. There is pain, there is empathy, there is authority, there is self presentation... I can't go breaking all these and all must not apply at the same time for a particular subject of interest.

But yes learning determines what we see as right or wrong. This is obvious except u want to deny it.. The terrorist see his act of terrorism as right - learning to see this act as right took place somewhere. The Christian think hell is real and think burning people forever is justified - learning that this wicked act is right took place somewhere.
However apart from what u learned, different interactions are taking place in ur life time... Empathy can make u evaluate what u have learned... Its just a simpu sturv

kingxsamz:
So, of all things happening in Nigeria she could only receive a vision that won't be relevant to anybody.
If I may ask, of what relevance is this vision she received to anyone? If you can't receive vision that'll will help the state in which Nigeria is in, please keep mute.
Watch how Nigerians will flood her page asking her about their future.





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You can imagine how this their God acts like a psycho. Nigeria is on fire and God is busy pursuing rat

hopefulLandlord:
In a nutshell, you're saying something is right or wrong based on how you're trained?

Yes... Plus a couple of other things. But training, learning is one of them

hopefulLandlord:
So if you grew up in an incestuous family you wouldn't have seen it as wrong then since your seeing it as wrong arose from "Training"?

The answer to ur question is capital yes.

If I had been trained to see it as normal, I wouldn't be capable to see it as wrong. Just as I see it as abnormal because I have been trained to see it that way.

Sadly I still pity Christians... They are not only slave to their thoughts, but slave to their fake pastor.... And u would wonder why Busola will open her legs to a man of God to molest her even when she didn't like it... Yet people wonder why i pity Christians.

Hi Johnny, u didn't respond to my to my input. Let me know what's wrong with my line of thinking... Or give it a counter point... If u chose to ignore it... Then u should have ignored all other points and close the thread

LarryBee1k:
Kindly show me he's not real.

He is not real because u cannot prove he exist.

U have no evidence of his existence, isnt that prove enough that he is not real?

Eveezy:
Let me just give this illustration, you are an inventor, you create a wonderful device to serve a specific purpose, the device malfunctioned and didnt serve its purpose, normally am sure u will condemn d device, but in dis case, u had programmed the device to device his ways to function nd be capable of autocorrecting itself, u stayed bk nd watch how ur device will perform wat u programmed it to do, ur device eventually found a way to replicate it self nd had other smaller devices(although dis wasnt your plan, u let it go, cos u gave d device freewill) years passed, ur device didnt auto correct, many continued being infected wit a virus, bt a few were still working close for d purpose of creation, so u decided to select d devices dt are in perfect working condition, nd condemn d obsolute ones, you let the selected ones populate d earth again, still as a result of freewill, dey produced more devices dt still bcame infected. You as an inventor, you felt bad for condemning d bad ones nd promised nt to do dt again cos dey were ur sweat, dey were part of wat u put all ur effortd into, u decided to show dem anoda way, d way u intended for them to create new devices, since u re d creator nd know how dey work, u created a new device that wasnt flawed as the previous devices u made, this device was made in d form of u, your creations were still so flawed, so you sacrificed ur one perfect creation for other devices to see an example of what perfection could be all about and encouraged them to follow, if they follow in that footstep, they will be saved, nd thier flaws can finally be managed

I'd rather say this device creator is confused. He has personality disorder. Common device that he created is giving him all these headache, na wa

lightblazingnow:
What would you expect from the body, senses ruled. It's impossible for him to please God Almighty.... he's enmity with God Almighty. Say whatever you care, that doesn't make his lovely thoughts towards you evil or wanting to destroy you now....



He's already died for you to live, became poor for you to be rich. What else's?

He committed suicide and u call that dies for me... That's foolish of a God. Before dying, he could have thought of better things to do for humanity... Anger here, anger there...if he is angry abeg let him jump inside hell and cool off

More...

Growing up in the family setting most of us did have been profitable to human race over time... What ever family setting people who do incest grew has not been shown to be profitable... Hence another reason to reject incest.

I don't know if its a moral thing, but I think its a psychological thing.

Incest is wrong to me, growing up with my sisters and siblings, the love I have for them is not sexual. Over time growing up with them, I LEARNED to see them in a particular way and not in another way. This tuned my psych to think in a particular way about certain people.

Like I have always said, life is more about learning than instinct. More like unconscious learning. I am sure if we are generally trained to love and f++k our siblings we will not see an issue with it.

I have learned to see it as wrong because my mind set have been trained over time to see it as not only wrong but detestable.

Its actually quite difficult to grow up with ur siblings they way most of us did - the common interest we have growing up eliminates the sexual desire for them - and want to have sex with them. Hence most people who actually do it did not grow in a family setting like most of us.

How do I feel when I see it... I see it as wrong, I caring because my mind can only see my family setting (not theirs) and think its weird to have sex with a sibling. However I am sure if I interact with them, I will find a missing link that might shape my judgement... For now, I can only judge them through what I know and what's common.

Missperplexity0:
Please help me with a job in lagos, especially on the mainlands.....bsc holder

You are pretty... Go to tinda and register, u bet u will make more money than any employer can pay u.

LordReed:
It has nothing to do with patronizing, its a fact, him using end would have been clearer but you still reach the same conclusion even as he used fulfil.

There is nothing less clearer in Atum's statement, weather he used end or fulfill... Jesusmumujnr not understanding it proves just how dumb he is.

jesusjnr:
Of course if you can't see the confusion in it, it's because you're dumber than the dumb.

Mcheww... U obviously are not alright.

LordReed:
Yeah you are correct, he would have been clearer.

Pls stop patronizing stupidity. There is nothing correct in what he is saying please

OtemAtum:
I'm surprised that you don't understand the simplest logical expression.

If I die today, then it means my mission is fulfilled, but I cannot die today because my mission is not yet fulfilled. This is too hard for you to understand?

More example:

If he goes to the cinema, he would see the actors, but he didn't see the actors because he didn't go to the cinema.

Seriot translation:

Zi fel zop ii åjibezob, fel nolon viet ådaretra, ni fel ci viet ådaretra kert fel ci zop ii åjibezob.

What is it that you are not understanding in this simple expression? Ordinary English Language you are finding it difficult to understand. How then will you be able to understand a more complex SERIOT LANGUAGE

And u wonder why he is a Christian waiting for heaven that he has never seen before? These are the kind of people Yahweh recruits to do his bidding?

The dumbness is on a higher level

jesusjnr:
You seem to be one hell of a confused fella, Lol!

Because both statements you've made contradicts each other, and cannot possibly exist at the same time.

Maybe your mission here is a mission in confusion.

Dumb religious people,what's confusing about such a simple statement.

No wonder ur fellow men are using ur head in the name of man of God

ecoleco:
I feel like the kingdom of God has far more advanced technology that we could ever imagine. The earth is just trying to catch up.

How can it be more advanced when Jesus will be riding on chariot of horses? Not even a speed jet. God is still expecting people to sing doe him day in and say out instead of making himself a perfect music box... Accept it man, heaven is gonna be a mini hell.

Listen to me... The secondary school stage is when we are teenagers and eager to understand and live life. Its a significant learning stage where we feel so much fear, excitement and anxiety over things. We want to experience the world, even though we are not mature enough to handle the world.... We want to love, be brave, be bad, be popular, etc despite our mind not being able to handle the outcomes of this desires.

The bad news in Nigeria is the we do not have good parenting system to guide these young adventurous teenagers.

The constant dream of this period is a reflection of the most exciting period of your life. There was so much adventures like... Reading to pass exam, not wanting to b in trouble with school authorities, trying to please ur friend, falling in love with that girl u can't talk to, imagining sex, trying to please u demanding parents etc... Everything is stored in ur secondary memory which replays when u sleep. It usually lasts a long time of ur life... By the time u are working and trying to get married, ur hidden(unknown) anxiety about ur past resolve with ur achievements and ur mind will gradually let go of the dreams.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SPIRITUAL NONSENSE.

but u can chose to believe in what ever u want and run to a pastor or native doctors as stupid Nigerians would do. U can chose to make caricature of urself out of an ordinary secondary school dream.

FOLYKAZE:
I have answered you but you keep repeating the same irrational questions. Is it that you have issue with comprehensiveness and understanding?

No, its not really adding up as it is sounding so straight forward in your head.

The purpose of spirituality is to connect oneself to the essence of another being. Do you understand this philosophical stance? I bet, you do

I will understand this the day u prove the spiritual exists.

In Yoruba spirituality, one essence is referred to as Ori. Ori generally mean consciousness, the innermost self or original self. That is the you that answers the philosophy question of "who am I?"

OK... Am I suppose to be executed at this?

Yoruba people believe everything that exist has an Ori (essence) and ase (energy).

Ya, people believe in a lot of things, even when they cannot prove it.

Therefore, a spiritualist connects its inner self to the Ori of the so called tree, sun or whatever, with the aim of annexing the ase (energy) of these entities.

Talk is cheap u know.

While everything has ori and ase (everything including tree, river and sun is conscious), Yoruba spirituality primarily focus on 401 orisa (selected consciousness). Each one of 'selected consciousness' is been studied, observed and experienced through spiritual arts which enable them to tap into the "selected consciousness" ase (energy).

Please prove to me how tree is conscious. What is it about tree or sun or stone that makes u say or that makes Yoruba people say its conscious?

You may not still understand but read about the practise of Yoga. It will help you understand how energy is been annexed spiritually.

I don't need to read more, all I need is proof.

Acknowledging the worth of something is the same thing as worshipping something. The way you present it as something different reveals how shallow your thinking is.

acknowledgment is quite different from worshipping. Stop saying falsehood just to win an argument. U can acknowledge without worshipping. However acknowledgment can be taking further to worship. U mustnt worship everything u acknowledged.

And thank goodness you admit people acknowledge money. Actually people acknowledge worth of money which mean they are worshipping money. Since money is been worshipped or revered, it becomes a God. Simple.

People acknowledge money, they don't worship money. I recognise that money is important and so I work had to get it.I don't worship money. I don't pray to it, I don't bow to it, I don't sing to it, .... I spend it!!!

It is also a silly attempt to stamp worshipping and prayer together as if they mean the same thing. Fan worship celebs but does that mean they pray to celebs? Maybe you don't know celebs are mini idols, ask Rihanna who claimed Fela is her God. It doesn't mean Rihanna pray to Fela in the corner of her room.

Worship includes a lot of activities towards the object of worship such as, praying to it, reverencing it, giving it scheduled attention, sacrificing to it, over humanising it... Yes some people worship Beyonce, but many of her fans think these people are crazy. A lot of her fans,many many of them do not worship her.

With the way you guys reason and argue aimlessly, I suspect you are toddlers.

Come out of our head for once and see how u sound like a toddler..he he.

Before you start all over again asking me irrational questions, you need to understand what spirituality is, how it is connectedness with nature, understand what is being and essence, and understand philosophy of existence. As at now, what you purge is embarrassing

U have started again...if I ask u to prove spiritual exists u will start running upandan.

tintingz:
Does energy talk to babalawo?

Sango has wives, can you explain how energy like thunder and lightning has wives?

Sigh, SMH.

I think for some reason I don't understands, the guy wants to take us back 1000 years.

At times of technology advancement,this guys is busy telling us that cow is God, we should therefore worship and acknowledge cow.

FOLYKAZE:
You are asking dumb questions. Worship mean acknowledging worth of something or someone. People acknowledge the worth of their country, does that mean their nation is happy they are worshipping it?

People acknowledge worth of money, does that money talk to them?

People acknowledge worth of their existence, does that mean existence care about them?

You are acting dumb and too shallow towards reasoning. Please work hard on your reasoning.

Chairman, it is sometimes annoying to read posts.

What's dumb about the question? Why should any one worship a tree in his back yard, when this act of worship adds no relevance to u? Not that the tree asked to be worshipped.

Why will I acknowledge and worship sun when the sun will always shine regardless of my worship.

Why do u call this question dumb? Are u just trying to sound smart by making baseless statements?

People acknowledge money, they don't pray to it, they recognise its worth because if they have it they can do things and they recognise those activities that will make u have it. No one prays to money.

Country not a thing, it is a group of people who share the same goal. They recognise its worth because of the advantage of sharing common goal. If they don't, they might suffer for not sharing this goal... Things like war, hunger and corruption are the effect of not acknowledging us country.

Tell me why I should worship and acknowledge sun or tree? Is it just for the fun of it? Isn't that just a usless act?

omokoladejames:
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I think I did..But it's possible I missed something...

Well...

Like I wrote in my last post, I don't have the skill set to give u irrefutable proof of God and quite honestly I'm not trying to... If I believe in a God big enough to create the universe, then I believe he's big enough to proof himself.

U can believe anything u want to, but that's just what it is... Your believe. It ends there.
U believe God can prove himself...this is just another believe which just ends there because he is yet to prove himself since the world began.

But If you would indulge me, I have two questions for you.

Can you kindly describe the characteristics of a conscious creature and how do we know if another creature is actually conscious?

Consciousness is a term used to describe awareness. What is difficult to understand about this? When someone is fainted and he wakes up he is conscious. Consciousness is an activity, it is not a thing. It's like smiling... Smiling is a facial expression, when we see it we recognize it.
Consciousness is being aware of our environment, when we are aware, we say the person is conscious.

Do you believe in cosmic inflation? and why do you believe it?

I don't even know what cosmic inflation is... I will have to research in that when I have time.

omokoladejames:
I see your point but i think the first disconnect is the fact that your opinion about God is based of what others claim and not you following the trail yourself. If i was to base my knowledge of evolution on what a couple of atheist say, i would probably write it off as babble myself.
you'd be surprised how many evolutionist don't understand what natural selection actually mean; i still see people who believe we evolved from monkeys or that evolution means progress.
Look at it this way, if its plausible to say that life randomly emerged from an organic soup and with what we know today, the chances of that happening is 1 chance in 10 to the 40,000power(Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra Wickramasinghe), then i don't think saying a believe in a creator God is not logical especially when we look at ourselves and what we've been able to build.

God has been ingrained into our emotions, he has been said to be REAL

Energy is as real as it gets but for all our knowledge of how to use it,make theorems with it, and manipulate it to work for us, nobody really knows what it actually is. crazy right

Take consciousness as another example. we can't feel,see or touch it. There's actually no settled scientific way to test for it(there's currently a debate on whether plants are conscious) but, you and i can both agree consciousness is as real as the device we are using to communicate.

As you can see there are phenomena in our universe that don't fit into our stringent definition of real and our believe or lack thereof doesn't change their existence.

My position is not to give you irrefutable prove for God, that's not something i'm equipped to do. My point is, saying it's unreasonable to believe in God; is not an honest position to hold(my opinion), especially when your opinions are based of what a handful of people saying...

I personally didn't come to accept Jesus in a church. There was no powerful preaching the stirred up my emotions, the ground did not shake neither did i receive some supernatural vision. I was all alone in my house with a bible,laptop and internet. And till now, i still have questions that have led me down the road of history, philosophy,science etc (full disclosure i was born a christian but stopped going to church as soon as i was old enough to say i wasn't going again... I think ss1 or so).

If we're being honest in the pursuit of truth, then we have to look at the various possibilities and go down the trail. Either your believe in a naturalistic worldview gets stronger or you might see some sense in the religious worldview.

I am not sure u picked up my points to critically dissect them.

God is not real... U and I know it. If God is real prove him to me.

God is just an assumption, a wish, just the way we all desire super heroes in our lives.

Consciousness is a term used to describe certain human characteristics. U don't need to see it, all u need is to see someone who acts in a particular way and u will understand what consciousness is.

Believing in God is just a waste of time. It changes nothing and makes no difference that we cannot achieve without the believe. But u can decide to believe if it makes u feel good, but understand that u are as good or as bad as someone who believes in Superman.

Like I said before, its okay to assume there might be a creator, but its very bad to assume u know a creator that has never been proven.

Cheers01:
The Christians, the muslims and Jews always tell me that there is one God and that he is powerful. In fact, he is omnipotent and can do anything. He cares for us human beings and all we need to do is follow his commandments. This God also created our universe. He is perfect, he is the almighty creator.

Yes and this is ridiculous.

However, I just cannot believe in this God. This God sounds like a fairytale super-alien.

Me too

How can a God be so powerful and yet so invisible? How is it that there is no physical or scientific evidence that can prove this God's existence? We cannot hear him but he supposedly answers prayers. We cannot see him but he heals the sick and cares for us. The only other invisible smooth operator is Santa claus. That fat bastard that delivers presents to children all over the world. Yet, we all accept that Santa is a fairy tale.

Lol... And people like kingebuka think this is a reasonable assumption.

How can a God be omnipotent? Omnipotence is a ridiculous concept. An absurdity in principle. Being omnipotent means being all powerful without limits. Let's look at how ridiculous the concept is; if God can do anything, then he should be able to create a second God that is stronger than himself.

Well I think u are going to far here...
Let a God so powerful show himself to his creation. Why will humans create a robot with sight and hide from it and expect them to imagine and believe him.

The funniest thing about this God is that most of the people preaching about him are not even sensible. If I were a powerful god, I would have sensible people representing me. Jesus and Muhammad were both illiterates by their own societal standards. Moses was literate but not a trained priest.

He also have people like felixomore defending him... I think God is a clown

Going further about people who represent God, every believer is divided on who or what this God is. Some say that God is Male. Some say that God is gender neutral. Some represent him as an old white man in the sky. Some say God is a God of vengeance like the biblical old testament. Some say that he is a God of love.

Blame it on holy ghost... The confusionist

Then, there is the philosophical problem of creation. Who created the creator? Where does God come from? Did he create himself or he just always existed? If he always existed, what was he doing with himself all those billions of years it took our galaxy to be formed?

Lol... Let's just make them look stupid

I am getting my high on, its sallah after all, I will comment soon

omokoladejames:
I do agree with you that it's plausible to believe that there are other life forms out in the universe even though there is no evidence for it. There's even nothing to say that our concept of a living creature is universal.... Even on our own little planet, that concept can get blurry. E.g, is a virus living?when can we say a fetus is conscious?e.t.c

So to piggy back on your last statement, if we can say aliens are a reasonable assumption based on what we've observed then its also reasonable to believe in a creator God based on what we know about nature and ourselves.
We are a Species of builders and inventors, so its not hard for us to look our universe and see the designs etched into it and conclude there is a mind behind it. Now you can say there are other possibilities like chance and time, but saying that a believe in a creator is irrational; is quite frankly not being honest.

Take for instance, in 2015, a group of archeologist found a shield made of tree bark dated to be 2,300 yrs old. We've never seen any artifact like this before from that time period. But merely looking at it the archeologists recognized a design and worked of the premise that it was made by someone in the distant past. Of course, you can say the tree bark fell off and over a period of time the environment shaped it into what it is,surely that is one possibility, but we wont say the archeologists were stupid for even considering that a mind could have made it.

A quote from Francis Crick's( Respected british physicist, molecular biologist and neuroscientist, most noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953.) :An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going. But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions. The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth's surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.
This man was skeptical of organized religion and identified himself as a sceptic and an agnostic with "a strong inclination towards atheism". He made fun of christainity and spent the later years of his life trying to figure out how the brain produces consciousness, but based of his work on DNA molecules, even he had to make such a statement.

To keep the writing from being too long sha, i'm not saying pick up a bible and start believing in Jesus but if one is truly looking for the truth,one has to look at all the possibilities. Delve deeper into the science, look at the philosophies behind it, stack it up against what good theologians believe and see where you land.

Nice talk but permit me to help u get some things straight (my opinion)....

The reason why we argue God and reject his existence is not because it has been presented to us as a reasonable suggestion..No.

God has been ingrained into our emotions, he has been said to be REAL, he has been claimed to be seen and spoken with. He is said to be in charge of the earth and watches over us, he gets angry, loves, makes miracles, punishes and has a home called heaven.

No, God is not just a reasonable assumption like seeing an old wooden shield and saying it must be have been carved by an ancient man. God is like seeing an old wooden shield and say is was creates by Mr. Thomas, who had three wives and was a great warrior. His best food was semo and he loved his last child the most.

Yes if we assume aliens exist, we can also assume God is real. But God is not about assumption (according to religionists), God is a confirmation.

This pastor was never a Christian, he was an atheist.

freethinker01:
folks like you and the person u quoted, what gives me concern most is this: are also going to pass this to your progeny? If yes, they're more doomed than you are.

I can imagine their kids praying to God to remove ancestral stupidity while their mates are flying to space.

Aaronsrod:
Well said!

Balaam has the answer for him though he is the sort of foolish athiest who does not even believe a donkey can talk!!

Woe be unto him!

Balaam? What foolery is going on here? Where is Balaam?

shortgun:
Comprehension is key bro....what I meant is that if u don't believe u will get a shock when u touch a live wire and u had never had an encounter with a live wire... Current to you doesn't exist.
Take space for instance....you believe that space exists because u choose to.
You have never been to space.
You have never felt space.
You have never touched it.
You have never seen space.
You were only told and u believed.

What nonsense is this? What is "believe in space". Who believes in space? Of what benefit is believing in space? Like if he does not believe in space he will rot in hell? What has believe got to do with space