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Ihedinobi3:
I am fine, thank you. But as for talking rubbish, you should read my arguments and your responses and see if you can figure out where the rubbish really is.

In short, there is nothing in what you represent me as saying that is the same with what I actually said. But can you afford to actually look what I say "in the face"?

You are either annoyingly dumb or u just like rigmaroling with words for the sake of making conversation dumb.

this is your quote below

Ihedinobi3:
Hi there.

I am a Christian committed to following the Bible wherever it goes.

This question may be serious or it may just be a game, I don't know. But I answer whatever I can that may be of value to someone seeking to understand the Bible.

There are a few instances in the Bible where lies were told to save lives, especially the lives of believers who were in danger. In each of those cases, the Lord God blessed those who lied.

There were the Hebrew midwives who refused to kill the newborn sons of Hebrew women (Exodus 1:15-21); Rehab of Jericho, a prostitute who lied to protect Hebrew spies who came to gather intelligence on the city (Joshua 2, 6:17, 22-23; Matthew 1:5); the woman of Bahurim who lied to protect David's two spies during Absalom's rebellion (2 Samuel 17:17-21). Only in the last case do we lack information on what God did for them as a result of their goodwill toward His favored king.

It is obvious that such examples are rare in the Bible. This is because such situations where lying is sanctified by God are extremely rare in history. They are tests of faithfulness for those who experience it.

However, it may be necessary in cases like the above to protect one's wife with lying. Just like killing to defend oneself and one's family from criminals or killing in war to destroy enemies who threaten the peace of a nation. These are things the Bible does not prohibit.

read @ bold... are u not clearly saying one can lie in certain instance? especially to save life? Are u not saying there are some cases where God blessed those who lied?

you even went ahead to show bible passages where people had to lie and they were not condemned because they were protecting lives.


And this is the same bible that said the devil is the father of ALL lies... this is the same bible that condemed Peter that lied to save his life. and i ask you, will it be ok to lie and deny Jesus when Islamic extremist catches you and ask u if u are christian, knowing that saying u are not a christian will save ur life?

does this not show that the bible is two faced? And this make dishonest people like u select the part that pleases them in certain instance...

And instead of responding to my post, u are trying to divert it by accusing me of not understanding what i wrote. I am tempted to call u a dishonest Arrow.

Ihedinobi3:
It isn't my fault if you have trouble understanding what you read.

are u ok? or are u just used to talking rubbish?

Ihedinobi3:
Good. So it is the Bible you want to debate? Go back to my first post and explain what was happening in all those examples.

Except u want to preach to me how two faced the bible is. I know the bible called the devil the father of ALL lies.

The story of shedrack mishark and abadinego ( pardon my spelling) teaches Christians to be firm with their believe even in the face of adversity.

When peter denied Jesus three times he had to ask for forgiveness. Or do u think Peter was right to have lied that he didn't know Jesus?

If u are in the North and Islamic extremests catches u and ask u if u are a Christian or not, will u deny Christ, knowing it will save ur life?

Ur examples above oy nly shows anyone can pick any part of the bible that suits him at any given period. It shows how two faced the bible is

PurestBoy:
No, God cares about your intention more

Human intentions are selfish... He only lied because it was his wife. Trust me, if it someone he really does not like, he will definitely remember that lying is a sin

Ihedinobi3:
I figured you wouldn't be wanting to debate what the Bible teaches with me. So, you are now telling Christians to ignore the Bible and listen to you? Did you perchance die for us too?

So u now need a bible verse that says the devil is the father of lies? U don't know ur bible again?

Ihedinobi3:
Do you really want to debate the Bible with me on this? Or are you presuming to redefine the Christian Faith for Christians?

Leave that thing... There is no good or bad lie. Devil i s that father of lies. Story borrowing lies from the devil for the sake of ur life.

If the op can lie to save his life from being molested, why would anyone lie to save himself from being caught?

Ihedinobi3:
Hi there.

I am a Christian committed to following the Bible wherever it goes.

This question may be serious or it may just be a game, I don't know. But I answer whatever I can that may be of value to someone seeking to understand the Bible.

There are a few instances in the Bible where lies were told to save lives, especially the lives of believers who were in danger. In each of those cases, the Lord God blessed those who lied.

There were the Hebrew midwives who refused to kill the newborn sons of Hebrew women (Exodus 1:15-21); Rehab of Jericho, a prostitute who lied to protect Hebrew spies who came to gather intelligence on the city (Joshua 2, 6:17, 22-23; Matthew 1:5); the woman of Bahurim who lied to protect David's two spies during Absalom's rebellion (2 Samuel 17:17-21). Only in the last case do we lack information on what God did for them as a result of their goodwill toward His favored king.

It is obvious that such examples are rare in the Bible. This is because such situations where lying is sanctified by God are extremely rare in history. They are tests of faithfulness for those who experience it.

However, it may be necessary in cases like the above to protect one's wife with lying. Just like killing to defend oneself and one's family from criminals or killing in war to destroy enemies who threaten the peace of a nation. These are things the Bible does not prohibit.

Lying is of the devil, how is it necessary to save? Don't be two faced, stick to ur believe. Don't shift to devil's camp out of necessity. Trust in ur God always.

ChiefAzubuike:
Then why must God expect me to say a truth that will lead to the molestation of a woman he bonded me with? That's wickedness and betrayal.

Because its his will... Ur obligation is just to say the truth, its his choice to decide if ur wife will be molested or not... And ur duty is to thank God after, molestation or not.

of course God will send you to hell. All lies are the same thing, there is no small or big lie, or good or bad lie.

you could have said the truth, and if they eventually molest your wife, God knows the best. Are you wiser than the same God who watched them rob you? Are you wiser than the same God who watched young girls be molested all the time?

It seems you dont want Gods will to be done in your life, SMH... better as for forgiveness

HappyPagan:
Ok. Going through my old posts is giving me wild erections.

Didn't know I have sense like this.

Abraham's blessings are ours. We are blessed. We are blessed. No matter what the devil tells us, we are blessed.

Yeah, though African youths scale dark and trembling seas to make a living yonder, Africa is blessed.
Though our hearts bleed as all around us conform us to the lowest standards of living, we are blessed.

God loves us. We are strong though the forces that be against us be vile. We survive. Ooooo Africa, Motherland, the God of Israel loves you. Yes he loves our nappy hair, fat booties and dark skin. He loves how we dance and worship in his presence. Oh African praise is a sweet-smelling savor to his eternal nostrils.

So dance and sing and praise. Claim the blessings of Abraham as you survive in a harsh economy. Plead the blood of Jesus as you travel on cursed roads. Rub the annointing oil that breaks the yoke on your sick child. Donate your widow's mite to the humble servants. Do all this and watch me open the windows of heaven over your land. Amen.

Next work I am going to plagiarise... Call police

HappyPagan:
What if Jesus died in Africa
Born of a carpenter
Welcomed by three dibias
With cowries, yams and talismans

What if Jesus died in Africa
Faraway from Mecca
And closer to Abuja,
Aso Rock, his path on Passover

What if Jesus died in Africa
His cross made of rafia
Stoned with mounds of eba
Alomo passed to him as his soul crossed over

But Jesus didnt die in Africa
No eba was stoned at Golgotha
The son of David had no idea whatsoever
That there was a land called Africa.

Posted this shit on my Facebook page and everyone is asking who this? meeeeeeeen I had to lie that it was me...pls forgive me in the name of Jesus.

trueking:
God does answer prayers, but sometimes you may need to persist in prayers and supplications, and you also need to have a believing heart, even Jesus in the Bible could not do much amongst people in his hometown because of their unbelief.

By persist, u mean beg beg and beg right?

LordReed:
LoL! Don't mind the mumu.

One thing is certain... Shelumiel is going to hell. He is an establish fool for hell

LordReed:
Hey welcome idiot! Have you finished pissing your pants?

Lol, ask him if he has finished praying (that's act is worst than pissing in ur pant)

Prayer is an act of begging ur creator for something u will have to eventually do by urself.... Mumuism in the highest degeee

LordReed:
It can build lots of mansions for dead people but refuses to build even 1 temple to itself on earth.

Funny god.

Or even build one mansion for living humans... Let us see the sample of our heavenly mansion here

Shelumiel:
I bow for your foolishness ;for it is the greatest online .In fact there is none like it here .

Lol... Bow at least. Because talk is cheap

Originakalokalo:
You don't know your enemy....This has cost people their lives.

Goliath thought David was his enemy....

He was wrong.... God was. He made God his enemy when he asked... "who is God that is able to deliver you from my hand"

You fight against the Almighty....

You won't survive it. It is an assurance with all certainty.

What's this one saying

Shelumiel:
...another online atheist . How market?

Bow for me boy... I am too much for u

Jayhazard:
LoL our God is merciful. If He couldn't immediately destroy those who physically abused His son, and crucified Him, why would He then do that to people who have no idea what they're doing?
God is merciful, more reason why it's safe to believe in Him and obey His commands without questioning.

Good for him

Shelumiel:
Why should I bow to fools who cannot discern between what is logical and what is not?

I think the fool here is ur God

I am greater than ur God, u should bow to me

.

Shelumiel:
Atheist are the most confuse sort in this world ...wahalahi

U are being dishonest... You believe in an Almighty creator who has the power to do anything, he controls our lives and has the power to put our soul into eternal fire... We have the boldness to give this ur so called fearful creator the middle finger and tell him to go Fuucck himself... Please give us the respect we deserve. U cannot even talk to a Nigerian soldier the way we talk to ur God... Abeg u suppose the de bow for us.

Mike008:
You better remove this post and ask for forgiveness if you are a Christian

Shaaaatap!!!!!

No wonder

9inches:
Very sincere and important question I must say. Guess what, I asked this same question not too long ago while I was rediscovering myself.

Tell me if your questions were addressed in this conversation. You can ask more questions. I can also transcribe all of it if you want.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PMvfMslHk

Took my time to watch the video and had to stop at 5minutes because the guys was truly annoying.

One would think that he is God ... But he is just saying what he thinks of a God who have not been proven to exist.

What's God created the universe out of love and not our of need. This makes no sense to me? If God does not create me, what do i stand to lose? How does not feeling his love affect a nonexistent being?

God created man out of love yet man is in a world where he has the freedom to make God angrily sit and watch the devil torment him because of his misuse of freedom. How does being in such reality spell love?

Pls how are they differenciating need and love? Don't u love what u need? Don't u need what u love? Are they not SOMEHOW related?

The guys is just using words up and down like it even makes sense?

Again back to my question: why does a God who loves us but does not need us want us to worship and acknowledge him everyday of our life. What is it about his love that makes him want to b worshiped by us. Why does our sin affect him so badly that we must be punished for it? Why is he angry when an ordinary fallible human disobeys him. Doesn't he know this is what it takes to be human? Human live to have a better life and it takes a lot of things to achieve that.

Worst still he remains unseen leaving the so called man to make up stories in his head about him... It keeps on getting worst.

Even the holy spirit will jerk off at the sight of her

9inches:
There's an observable pattern in your responses - you lack the brain power to comprehend philosophy and theology. It's quite telling in your replies. Instead of asking for more explanation and clarification, you arrogantly resort to dismissive tactics. Yet, you try to project your own ignorance on another person. You probably think that's just what you have to do to win an argument or validate your own argument, or that everyone is like you - dumb.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e2DfwN5oQ

Sorry to burst ur bubble, u are yet to explain anything.

9inches:
Interesting. Sincerely, what is your understanding of God? Can you frame my argument as per the existence of God?

I simply understand God as the creator of this universe. My problem with it is that it is not human, infact it is far far far above human (this is according to theists).
Yet it make demands like a mere human would demand from his FELLOW human.

Can u explain to me why a God who creates humans would demand worship and respect from ordinary humans who are not even capable of understand it?

Its like he is comparing himself and competing with humans just like my dad would... Shouldn't God be doing such with his fellow Gods? At least they would understand him better and the competition would be justified.

9inches:
1. Who God Is & Who God Isn't


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc

2. How do we know there's a God? Why do we believe in God at all?
That's the foundation for the whole spiritual life. The great theologians and spiritual teachers have used different approaches to this question over the centuries. One of my favorites is the approach that begins with desire. We human beings desire the truth. Our minds seek the truth and we get it sometimes. But no matter how much truth we get out of this world, it's never enough; the mind remains unsatisfied. We seek the good and find it a lot of ways in this world, but no matter how many goods we attain, we’re never really satisfied. We seek justice in all kinds of ways and we achieve it sometimes to a remarkable degree. Think of in our own time, civil rights movement, the end to apartheid, the breakdown of the Soviet Union… all those were wonderful things that were attainment of justice but no matter how much justice we attain, we never have enough.

There's something in us - this desire for the good, the true, the just, that pushes us beyond this world. This approach is called the argument from desire. You can't desire what you don't know. Therefore, if we are desiring something that transcends anything in this world, in some way, we must already know it. Therefore, we do know the truth itself; we do know the good itself; we do know justice itself… and that's who God is!

God is not one of the true things in the world, but God is the truth itself which has seized the mind of any scientist, any philosopher, any seeker after the truth.

God is not one more good thing in the world, but God is goodness itself which has seized anybody when he's living the moral life or seeking the ethically good.

God is not one more just thing in the world, but God is justice itself which has seized the will of the lawyer or the judge or anyone seeking justice.

The Bible talks about the primacy of God. When you're seeking God, the most important to realize is you've already been found by God. Remember the Russian cosmonauts who went up into space and they kind of sarcastically radioed back to earth “well, we're up in the heavens and we haven't found God.” Of course, any biblical person would know he'll never find God that way. Of course not, you don't find God anywhere in the cosmos he's made, but God is the creative source of all that exists in the cosmos. So that's one approach to God beginning with our own deep desire.

Here's a second approach and it comes from Pope [Benedict XVI] who wrote a great book in 1968 called introduction to Christianity. In that book, he formulates this argument and what I like about it is it shows the link between religion and science because very often those two are seen as enemies. He says “no, at their depth, religion and science come together.” Here's why: what does every scientist assume? Whether you're a physicist, a chemist, biologist, psychologist… whatever you are, you assume that ‘being’ is intelligible. That means that the world can be known. Even the name ‘psychology’ designates ‘logos’ (word). The scientist goes out to meet a world that's imbued with meaning.

Well how do you explain that? How do you explain the universality of the meaningfulness of the world? Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) said it's because it has been thought into being. In other words, the world is not just dumbly there. Rather, the world is filled with ‘logos’; it's filled with reason, which is why when we understand the truth, we say we “re”-cognize” it. He says, “right, you ‘re’-cognize it” (you think it again) because it's already been thought into being by God... So, he argues from the objective intelligibility of the world to the existence of a great intelligence which has thought the world into being.

Here's a third approach the philosophers and theologians have used. it's called the argument from contingency. It's a fancy way of saying that the world as we know it exists but doesn't have to exist. You and I are here but we don't have to be here; there's nothing necessary about our being. It's true the world as we know it is fleeting (it's passing). Therefore, we have to go outside the world to God. God who does exist through himself and who therefore grounds and creates the whole of the world that we know.

I have watched the video u have been parading as a description of God and I wonder what u find amazing in the nonsense that man is talking.
He said God is the condition for the possibility of the world.... What's that? What a vague way to describe something u don't even understand. Why try to describe something ur brain cannot even phantom?

Then according to u guys, this God (which is a condition in which the world exists) demans human respect (like my dad, according to u) and worship...he is not a just a thing in the universe but desperately want things in the universe to love, worship and obey it like his life depends on it

U make something up and still make it sound clueless

9inches:
You guys myopically view God as what you can reduce to be contained and confined in the world. You want to know and understand him in your own terms, not the way he actually is. I rephrased your question to help your understanding at your level.

Some things in the world are incomprehensive to say the last, let alone the Source of everything in the world. You haven't started reasoning, dude.

Theists present a God... (Yet to be proven)

Whatever I say of this God is bases on the kind of God u have presented. They are basically your God view not mine.

If God is who u describe according to ur bible... Then he acts like a bully when he demands worship from humans, his creations. He should earn his worship by surpassing his fellow Gods and earning their respect no create play toys and demand worship from them.

Using the word dad to replace God is an insult to God.

9inches:
Now, you can actually answer yourself with ease.

When I say u guys unconsciously view God as an incomprehensive human, u guys still cone out to prove me right.

Dad is a fellow human with all the human limitations

God is the creator with no single human limitations

Why are u belittling thy God?

What does God really wants? Where are his mates?

Its like a man beating his younger weaker wife and expecting her to worship and obey him, meanwhile he does not have such power when he is among his mates.

Who is God among his mates? What power does he have when he is with his mates?

Why is he so much concerned with what his ordinary creations think of him? That's too petty... U only get the feeling of a championship when u get the respect of ur mates... But this so called mighty all powerful all knowing God is feeling cool from respect and worship from his little creations... This is absurd.