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luvmijeje:
And they wondered why religion is bigger than science. Religion is more relatable and deals with the everyday issues faced by Nigerians. While science insult and in her arrogance waives everything off as bullshit.

Yet u cannot compare what science has achieved to what religion has achieved, why so?

luvmijeje:
Yes he has. He did an x-ray and the x-ray shows the bone in his thight was broken. There was no hard contact according to him, there was no mark on him to indicate a broken bone.

On the 30th of November 2012. I was by a friend dropped between area 1 and Berger in abuja, behind national hospital. I was supposed to wait for a taxi going to kubwa. While waiting two guys approached me and push me into the shallow gutter. They pined me to the floor face down but my knees where folded (you know how Muslims pray when they touch their head on the floor)

After robbing me, they gave me my simcard and hundred naira from transport and asked me not to raise my head until they are gone.

I raised my head after they were gone and stood up only to find out my ankle was completely gone out of my feet. It was dangling on my leg

Well, I spent three months in the hospital as a result of the incident and was operated on twice just to get my leg in order. Today my leg is fine, though I still limp early mornings until I walk around a bit. But I am fine.

Honesty, I can't remember them being hard on me but I knew fear and emotions made me forget some of the things that happened to me. Its the minds way of protecting u from anxiety. They asked me to corporate and I did, but how did I break my leg so bad that it completely pulled out of my leg?

I know it wasn't jazz, everything happened in a blink of an eye and in the moment of fear and apprehension, my mind deleted some terrible things that happened to me.

MrWondah:
So even Lucifer no sabi English.

If God is not real, why answer Lucifer. If you don't believe in God, why believe in Lucifer?

Omo, see reasoning. I give up on Christians sha.

luvmijeje:
Good for you and again I'm going to say I like you and I'll give you 3 reasons why I've to say it again.

1. I was expecting arrows and darts(I've not finish going through my mentions.... So I may still receive some arrows) but I got sweetness.

2. You remind me of the beautiful part of being religious(But I've found something more beautiful than it)

3. Coming out against something that has given me a lot of good memories hurt a little and you made it hurt more but it's something I've to do to reach out to someone who's a little bit like me.

U are beginning to sound sane. I was really afraid u were running mental.

I love u

I told my family about my nonreligious stand and they tried to bring the persecution wahala.

Guess what, I persecute them instead. Na them de fear me self. As it is now, even God is afraid to ask me to come to him... He knows I will take his beloved followers away from him... And as a loser that he is, he cannot even dear come close to me.

patogist:
If I was in control of myself I wouldn't had fellen.. You should understand na

Somebody comes to ur house and starts ramblings and u lost control of urself. What did he say to u that u started rolling?

Now he has said some things about u and u are complaining.

If his words were strong enough to make u lose control why wouldnt his comments about u be strong enough to be real?

U fell and started rolling like a mad person when he was praying and the spirit in him saw the demon in u... Instead u u to ask him to pray and and complete ur deliverance u come on line...

If u start believing in nonsense go all the way and be the complete sheep u want to be.

Why did u fall when the pastor was praying?

Women will hear sound of prayer and they will start falling upandan.

U know u are not possessed and u started rolling on the floor at the sound of prayer, this is how you leave urselves vulnerable for all these scamming pastors to take advantage of. ;

Nosu:
You only met people that are using Him for their selfish gain and not the Holy spirit.

We are saying the same thing. I have seen a lot of Christians, but in reality I have seen no Christians. All the Christians I have met a battling with sin yet they claim they have the holyspirit... Doesn't that put a question mark somewhere?

Originakalokalo:
.Don't bother yourself about the holy spirit for now.

He has nothing to do with you......


You are a carnal man who cannot understand spiritual matters.

There is no point explaining spiritual matters to you.

What you need now is repentance..

The Holyspirit spirit is one of the greatest fraud in Christianity

Nosu:
Please live with your conviction and stop trying to understand a reality you don't want to live.

If you ever run into christians like bro Gbile Akanni, Apostle Joshua Selman, strive Masiyiwa, Benny Hinn,just to mention a few. You will understand what the Holy Spirit can do.

Oga Christian... U can never tell me any reasonable function of this una Holy spirit. I will bet my right leg.

At best... The holy spirit is the biggest confusionist of all time. Wonder with we have more that 300 christian denominations right here in naija alone? Yet they all have the holy spirit

Nosu:
What you have fail to realize is that we have more
church goers than Christians. I don't really think you have met a christian. When you meet one, you will talk differently.

When you touch an insulated container containing hot water and it isn't hot on the outside; should the hot water be regarded as cold ?

Have you seen this scripture before?

Rev 3:15-16)

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Rom 12 v 11
11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.

And would have share some other factors with you, but you are not an insider. There are some issue you discuss with a brother/friend that you don't discuss with a acquaintance/stranger.

Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, please be informed that I have lived on both sides of the divide. comparing the two sides, I prefer and I am enjoying this side of the divide and the difference is the Holy spirit.

So much excuses and diversion. What is the practical effect of the holyspirit. Your excuse is that I have never seen any Christian before. Isn't that why I questioning? You are actually right... Every person I have seen that is a Christian is actually a hypocritic pretender. That why I think Christianity is a failed religion.

Imagin having everyone around profess Christianity and not a single one of them is a Christian.

I will like to meet u cause u seem to be the only Christian in Nigeria. The bad news u have nothing special to tell me about the holyspirit. If the holyspirit's function is to make u feel good within urself, that's a dumb duty for God in man.

Nosu:
I thought you were intentionally doing that. We are good, we can continue.

Have you seem these verses of scripture before and I hope that it will help you understand reasons behind all you have listed;


Psalms 82: 6 - 7

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


Psalms 49 vs 20

Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.


I am trying my best not to do too much but at the same time make sure that my brethern that we go through this thread can leave with a better understanding and not confusion.

Don't confuse me for a pastor, I am not a pastor. I am just a son of God that love God, and have had a little taste of His grace, love and power.

I am really sorry, i fail to see how these bible verses answers my question on what is really the practical duty of the Holyspirit that is also God. you said the holy spirit was given to you to effectively witness Christ... look around you, how effectively are you guys witnessing christ? Nigeria is a perfect Example... men of God that claim to have the holy spirit are battling with living an examplary life. there is nothing i see to show for or as the handiwork of the holyspirt.

the verses u are quoting are a response to a different topic i guess, cause it i see absolutely no relationship with them and my question.

Originakalokalo:
Many people are not really concerned about the finances of the church and how it is spent.....

They are just enemies of God in their innermost part. They could not understand the concept of Christianity

and are irritated by the faith of Jesus. They are also jealous of the prosperity of the body of Christ.

Then, they criticise the Church with every opportunity they have and HOPE that people will fall out of the church..

Unfortunately for them, they have achieved nothing and will achieve nothing...

Jesus said. The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church....

These people are the gates of hell.

The devil is simply using them to draw away people from the faith and to cut out the means of funding the church . ..

Well, I have a bad news for them...

The alpha and omega has spoken. Who shall annul it?

He has pronounced that the gates of hell shall work in vain... Who can bring his promises to nothing?

They can only try. It will be futile.

The church has come to stay and stay strong.

We will continue to prosper both physically and spiritually.

God bless the church. Jesus is Lord.

It is either u are a pastor or ur father is one.

The op raised serious issues... And u are calling him a hater. Ur type will rob people with gun if they refuse to pay tithe

how did he travel back to naija without his documents... i am not understanding

Nosu:
You keep provoking me with the use of "it" and not "He" when you are referring to the Holy Spirit. if you want us to have a meaningful discussion, you will have to correct that by rephrasing your question even if you have to do that for the basis of this conversation.

If not, I can't have a conversation with someone like you.

And as regarding quoting scripture, You can't stop me from doing that because that is what you are contending against. and the only way to explain the scripture is to allow the scripture to speak for himself.

Is this u trying to divert the topic... He or it... Tell me what u want me to refer the holy spirit as... That one no b problem.

The problem i s not that u are quoting the scriptures.. The issue is the same thing u are quoting is what we are challenging. We are asking for a practical example of the quote and instead of giving us a practical example u repeat the quote, how does that make sense?

Therefore I will repeat my question which u deliberately avoided answering;

Now God is in three persons, the holy spirit is also God...that's a big claim to make... Isn't it a bit fishy that Christians have God in them but they cannot to any significant thing on earth... All we see are claims claims and claims, nothing to show for it.

You said the holy spirit was given to u to effectively witness Christ to the world... Look around u, how effective are Christians witnessing Christ to the world? In Nigerian where many people claim to have the holy spirit as Christians, the church leaders are in a mess, the people are divided and evil prevails in the land.

What does "effectively witness Christ" really supposed to mean? Does it have another meaning in the bible dictionary?

Ihedinobi3:
You do have a point in the fact that my answers and comments tend to require work to get through. But the only work involved is in actually reading them, not in understanding them. So, it takes someone who actually is interested in finding good answers to the questions you and others like you ask to read them.

After all, that is how life works: you have to really want something in order to have any chance at getting it. Life doesn't come tailored to our convenience. We have to work for the things we care about. And in this case, my answers may be good or they may be bad but if you don't read them, you cannot tell one way or another. And if you don't read them, you deceive yourself when you claim to be looking for answers to the questions you ask.

Do you really believe that I cannot give short answers to questions?

Oga, u mustn't argue about anything... I am telling u ur writeup are both long and the message is usually lost to the reader... Understanding ur work is hard.

Learn to answer questions directly even if u are doing to make it long. Don't get lost trying to play smart, u unconsciously miss the who point to the discussion.

Wonder why most times u are accused of not given needed answers? In almost all ur discuss u must refer to ur earlier post in the long run.

Jayhazard:
How would you feel if you had the ability to CREATE something just like you, and that creation later turned out to claim "it" knows more than you do? "It" keeps giving suggestions on how things should have turned out, how things should and shouldn't be, when it's obvious you know it can't possibly know as much as you do, given the fact that you've been on the earth for so long and you were its creator. How would you feel?

I will feel I didn't created that thing well.

Ihedinobi3:
SMH.

So, how did I not fail to deliver or have you brought your lies here with you again?

What is the Holy Spirit's job which He is failing to do according to you?

I answered your other questions in my responses to NPComplete and dalaman.

That's the problem, ur answers are always lost in ur unnecessary long sermon. Instead of hitting the nail on the head, u try to play smart and talk too much while doing it... To be honest, its boring talking to u.

Work on ur interaction skills.

Nosu:
That is what you think and you have a right to your opinion.

You guys are just out to make trouble. If You a christian, we would have had a better discussion.

You don't believe in the christian faith, and your aim is to cause confusion.

The Holyspirit is doing is Job and even doing much more.

John 14: 16 - 17

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

This scripture speaks for himself, you can't see him or know him, so how can your opinion be right.

Oga, the question I am asking is very practical... No need quoting the bible and telling me what it said the holy spirit will do. We want to know what it IS doing.

Now God is in three persons, the holy spirit is also God...that's a big claim to make... Isn't it a bit fishy that Christians have God in them but they cannot to any significant thing on earth... All we see are claims claims and claims, nothing to show for it.

You said the holy spirit was given to u to effectively witness Christ to the world... Look around u, how effective are Christians witnessing Christ to the world? In Nigerian where many people claim to have the holy spirit as Christians, the church leaders are in a mess, the people are divided and evil prevails in the land.

What does "effectively witness Christ" really supposed to mean? Does it have another meaning in the bible dictionary?

Ihedinobi3:
Excellent response, dear friend. Grace be with you.

U should learn from him... His answer is direct and apt. The same thing he said was what u failed to deliver I. Ur long episode.

Meanwhile... The holy spirit is for u guys to witness Christ. Its not really doing its job. If the holy spirit helps u witness Christ does it even add any value to the whole witness process? If yes what's that value... Or it just helps u witness for witness sake?

Ihedinobi3:
Why would you say that someone is mad if they are not mad unless you wish to defame their character, that is, to make other people believe that they are?

That's ur business, don't really have time for ur unnecessary long story. U know where i am getting at

Ihedinobi3:
First he doesn't exist. Now he not only does but he's my uncle too. You can't keep a straight narrative, can you?

If I insult u on this forum that u are mad... Does that mean u are actually mad?

Ihedinobi3:
If they would ever be honest, any atheist would admit to you that they believe that religion or any belief in God is responsible for everything wrong with life. They do believe that if God can be removed from the picture completely, everything would be perfect. That is the atheistic stance. It is why they are so militant about their faith (yes, it is a faith).

I think though that it is generally a waste of time to interrogate atheism. Rather than tell the truth, an atheist would deny their own existence, if they need to.

You actually sound like ur uncle, the devil, when u talk like this

luvmijeje:
It was never the same. Go through their religious book each author have different experience with God.

True..its never the same, that why I am sure religion or God concept is man made. God giving people different experience of him is only trying to create confusion among humans in my opinion... Isn't he supposed to know better?

Because they made it a crime for them to question the book they are reading, they all now believe they must live their lives according to the authors who wrote the different books.

Isn't this wrong?

My issue with religion is that the adherent failed to realise the authors have different experience with God, so why are the followers mimicking the life of others.

Because if u accept different people have different experience if God, then u accept God is a God of confusion.
When do we know people are making things up and calling it God? God experience should be the same across every human, believer or not... This way anyone doubting him has himself to blame

luvmijeje:
You do have a point. My issue with religion is the herd mentality. It's the power it has over men. They have made it a crime for anyone to think outside of the box.

It happened yesterday to me on this section. I was pointing out a flaw and you have to see the way one guy start raining insult on me. If that kind of person sees me live, he can kill me with a gun.

Seen u alive and I think u are the prettiest dark thing that ever liveth

hahn:
I create a thread on that here https://www.nairaland.com/3300321/what-benefits-believing-god-religion

As usual, they derailed the thread

festwiz:
Just going to leave this here

Its really quite simple.. I mean, isn't religion supposed to better a society? What the essence of worshiping a good loving creator that hates sin, yet we are one of the most sinful nation... Its either religion has no single effect or it has a negative effect.

While religious folks are boldly asking what are the negative consequences of religion they fail to ask what a the the positive consequences of religion to our nation.

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luvmijeje:
Frank, take a step back. There are different religions in this world and their view of who God is, is clearly different. For instance the Bible is not written by one author and who God is, was seen from different perspective of the different authors. There is no one defition of who God is.

The concept that God must be the same to everyone is probably your view of God should be.

Feel a particular way is really not about what touched us, its about who we are. We might feel differently for different stimuli must be recognizable and acknowledged by all if its great.
You will never feel the same way I felt, our journey was never the same.

If the concept of God is not the same to everyone, what then is ur point?

How can a God that created us exist and u think its okay for the concept of him to be different? When we tell u God is a man made idea same u will still be arguing.

urahara:
U don't understand the unsuccessful countries use religion as a crutch

This is not true

urahara:
Ethnic groups also cause social division

Did anyone argue with u that ethnic group does not cause social division?

Are u pretending that u don't see that religion also causes social division?
There are catholics parents who will not allow their children marry a non Catholic. What of sharia law that caused havoc between Christians and Muslims in the north some time ago? Do u know the election of Nigerian President is also determined by religion?

urahara:
I know, then what of those Arab countries like Qatar , Saudi , etc

Besides u cannot just pick a few successful religious countries to measure the effect of religion to a people. Let's see the percentage of highly religious countries that are doing well and compare it with the percentage of non highly religious countries that are doing well.

urahara:
I know, then what of those Arab countries like Qatar , Saudi , etc

That's why I said religion is not the only problem... I noticed u insist on pretending u didn't get that point.

Those Arab countries u mentioned do not subscribe to layer back spiritual beliefs like Nigerians...they sonnot have such cultural diversity as we have here that are dividing us. Go to front page and see how Nigerians attack themselves, rather than issues.

Go to Qatar and Saudi, u will see the effect of religion on them despite their success. Can't u see that their religion has set a limit to their success? How are they effectively going beyond their environment and effecting the world with what they have?