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Emmanystone:
How am i a zoombie? Zoombie has no Will Power to choose its lot, i do.

I was once a sinner soaked in sin spiralling down to hell, till Christ found and saved me.

What i am today i chose it, so how am i a zoombie, do you know what a zoombie is?

U found Christ? Where was he hiding?

U mean u do not sin anymore? I see u sin every day on this forum, only ur thoughts can make Jesus commit another suicide

What exactly are u today? What's so special about u... I really wanna know.

Abuventure:
The fire talked about in revelation isn't physical. So spiritual fire is for the spirit while physical fire is for physical.

Spiritual fire ke

So spirits also need spiritual fire to cook spiritual food and burn spiritual bush?

Smh @ spiritual fire, how does this one even look... I bet they need spiritual matches to start this.

MJBOLT:

the pastors know its fake that's why you will never see them healing the sick in hospitals but my biggest concern is why god did not save this little child or is this part of his mysterious ways

Yes, God works in mysterious ways. And he helps whom he wants to help, so he decided not to help the poor boy, his parents can cry blood for all he cares.

festacman:
God is real. Very real. Take it or leave it.

Unfortunately for u, u are not God, neither have u ever seen him, so i know u are talking rubbish

Just wanna know...what's God's role in all this confusion? Does the failure of that Church not make God a failure?

Like someone said, the church is filled with nothing but hypocrites and sinners.

Not one church but all of them. The pastors who call themselves men of God are confusionists who preach according to their own emotions and say it's God. They are all interested in making more money or having the feeling of power by controlling multitudes. All filled with pride with nothing to show for it but arrogance and lies.

I think if God is real, his project church as a gathering has failed once again. Recall God failed in every project he entered in the bible:

Project angel failed: this birthed Lucifer who is still on rampage
Project man failed: Adam became dysfunctional and so has all man till date
Project Noah failed: the reason he drowned everyone which was sin, still continued from his selected few
Project Jesus failed: multitudes are still going to hell
Project Church and holy spirit: the spirit has ended up causing confusion thats why we have many churches saying different things with the Churches filled with hypocrites and sinners.

I am sure project rapture and heaven will still fail

festacman:
Of course you are a mere creature with your faculties, capacity and abilities as significant and limited as fixed by the superior creator.

Naturally speaking, it does not matter the extent to which you deny your natural father, you are innately the seed of his loins. Even if he refused to accede to any of your requests and you rebel against him, it changes nothing.

I am not denying anyone... He has to prove himself first.
I have never seen him before and I don't think he is real.

festacman:
Of course it matters as a creature that you believe in God the creator for the well-being of your soul. However, you have the free will to believe or not to believe. There is no compulsion. Nobody forced you to go school or work to earn a living. It is not compulsory. You exercised your free will to do it because you want to have a good life. Some persons who choose not to work lack money as a reward.

How can u say it matter that I believe in God, yet God don't think it is important to make himself obvious to humans.
Reward from going to school and studying hard is obvious. School does not hide and ask us learn by faith. God has not show himself to obviously exist. He can't be rewarding people who believe in something that's not obvious. That's a weird tricky game to play for an all knowing creator.

festacman:
Nobody is forcing you to "waste time believing" in God because you cannot decipher his presence in and around you. You have the free will to believe in God or not to believe in Him. It is up to you but as with loyalty and faithfulness, rewards and benefits await.

Are u saying it really does not matter?

festacman:
Look, every human being has innate free will to believe in God or not, having been made aware about of His existence. However, like in every acts of loyalty and faithfulness, reward and benefits await anyone who believes, obeys and loves God.

Likewise, every human has the innate ability to believe in Superman. What's my point? Having the innate ability to believe is not the issue here, believe in something real is what we seek to establish. Who made me aware of God's existence? You, a common human like me, or God? Why should I rely on u to know that God is real?
Why should there be a reward for believing in God? What has God got to benefit if I believe in him? What does he go the extra mile rewarding me because I believe in him?

It is important to say that God the creator gains nothing by trying to prove Himself to his creature. Every creature gains tremendously by aligning with his creator and His purpose and plan. The creator is supremely superior to the creature because the creature derives his being, faculties and capacities from the creator. Of course the creature is grossly limited and inferior to the creator otherwise the creature questions the authority of the creator.

He gains nothing yet he indulges in irrelevant hide and seek and even goes ahead to reward people who believe him. How can the creation derive his being from the creator yet me and u are here arguing if the creator is real. If I derived my being from my creator, how come I don't know this creator? How come I am here sincerely trying to prove to u that he does not really exist?
If I am limited and inferior to the creator how come he wants to reward me for believing in him? Why can't he let me just b?

Let me also say that no one who seeks proof of God's existence can achieve his goal by having closed mind, negative inquisitiveness and a set cast-in-stone expectations. A lot of things go on in the environment that reinforces the existence of God. No doubt.

I have sought prove and so have many others, yet nothing to show for it. Why should I be closed minded about Gods existence? Will his existence stop achieving my dreams? Why even should my close mindedness stop from seeing my creator who u derived my being from? Is the close mindedness of an inferior being like supposed to affects the beings ability to make himself known? If so, I night not be as inferior as u say.

Based on ur response above..

-God will reward me from knowing him
-I derive my being from him
-my close minded is strong enough to stop me from knowing my creator no matter how much efforts he puts to know me

From the premise above: I might not be as inferior as u think.

festacman:
Test of reasoning? Human physical reasoning can never decipher the proof of something spiritual FULLY or CLEARLY in the way you desire it. Open-minded and introspective inquisitiveness will decipher slightest evidence of proofs from the surrounding nature. Closed-minded inquisitiveness with set of iron-cast expectations will NEVER decipher even the clearest of such proofs. You appear to me to be more of the latter than former.

Why is it necessary for humans to waste time believing in something that cannot be deciphered fully or clearly

paxonel:
i dont jump into other faith i know little about.

If all these faith you mentioned recognizes the living creator then they are equally good

Actually, these other people think their God is the living creator and not urs... As far as they are concerned ur God (Christian God) fake.

What if they are right and u are wrong?

festacman:
God cannot show Himself to you because He is supreme spirit who has no bodily form unlike the human beings He created by putting their spirits into bodies to enable them exist physically to accomplish His purposes and plans. If physical man absolutely lacks the capacity to physically see lower spirits then it is near impossIble to see God the supreme and holiest Spirit. Spirit is superior to the body. Many spiritually gifted people as well as those who have been able to dominate their bodies in favour of meeting spirits have interesting experiences about spiritual realm.

The nearest illustration I can come up with, for now, is this. A human being creates intelligent gadgets. The level of intelligence and perceptual ability the gadgets have is subject to the purpose for which the maker intended. In the world of such gadgets, as they interact they will argue, like you are doing, why their maker cannot come in gadgetry form to prove that he made them.

What about doing something obvious for everyone to know he is God and not doubt him... So the people who don't believe in him can confidently say "I know this is God but I will not follow his instructions"

hahn:
I just dismiss it and go on with my day because I know it is just a dream

Sometimes its just a warning to go for malaria test

hahn:
Very true. Makes you wonder why theists crave mental subjugation.

Its still fear... Fear of God's wrath both on earth and after life and fear of being haunted down by the devil and ur unseen enemies.
Love of God, blessing from God and his protection, promise of heaven, all are just icing on the cake called fear just to make it acceptable.

festacman:
God is sovereign. This means He is not subject to any authority but every authority is subject to Him. He does whatever He likes to in line with his plan and big picture.

No one is asking him not tondo whatever he likes (whatever that means)
So in essence, not showing himself to his creation is what he likes?

So if He likes He will prove Himself at some occasions and would not in other occasions. Sometimed we have overbloated value of ourselves as created human beings in relation to the creator. Even in the world, monarchs do whatever they like and are not under any obligation to prove themselves unless if it pleases them to do so. How much more the God creator.

He has liked not proving himself to the world for thousands of years for now, my problem he seem not to understand the consequence of such decision on human thinking.
What exactly is difficult in showing urself and saving man from being confused and uncertain

Deicide:
maybe cause people don't get nightmare anymore.

I really stopped having nightmares since I stopped believing. My Christian days were filled with fear; fear that I have hurt God, fear the devil will get me, fear that my enemies will get me, anxiety that I have lost Gods protection because I had sinned, fear of death and landing in burning hell. I guess those things contribute to fake visions and nightmares.

Now I sleep and wake up and life has never been easy. I have had bad dreams occasionally, but nothing to put me on the edge... U easily dismiss them and move on.

Really, real freedom comes from disbelieving in unseen beings.

paxonel:
very true
this means you are not even sure of what you have been saying
what do you mean by the emboldened IT?
Bible?
That bible also predict human population increase?
You are a big joke
You are begging the question by jumping into what the op did not ask, population increase
give one person in human history who has predicted a thing from what has not existed and it came to pass
you see, i have choosed to cut out a lot of your emotional(non intelligent) fallacious ad baculum such as the emboldened. If you try that again i will simply ignore you

Go and learn how to make constructive argument i thought atheists were suppose to be intelligent people?
i just posted evidence quoting matthew 13:31-32 you didnt analyse that, rather you brought population increase which didnt follow
ok, among christians?
Its common among atheists too
these are irregularities among theists, i agree with you
that is making to become so emotional rather than using your brain
you are right here.

These are characteristics of some christians which may not truly point out the true nature of the bible.
That notwitstanding, if you shying away from reading the bible yourself i dont think you are qualified to comment in the first place.

This is why i love the agnostic position.
They dont care about bible therefore they agree that they dont know whether God exist or not.

But you atheists are not sincere, you will argue as if you know, yet you dont read

Why do u guys still argue when u already know that God probably does not exist?

Look at ur nonsensical response to his post.

Oga, stop forcing urself to believe what u know is not real.

9inches:
What specifically would you quote from the video that is meaningless and do you know who they are before attacking their characters?

What do you want me to do with your close-mindedness and wild claim of "intelligence" when you conveniently dismiss argument of actual intelligent people as meaningless without refuting anything in their argument? You OBVIOUSLY are unable to think critically and it's blatantly telling. Such arrogance won't get you anywhere.

Is this about ur opening post or the videos? The videos didn't answer any of my questions which was a response to ur opening post

9inches:
I'm trying to make you realize the evidence of God's existence which you are seemingly trying to ignore.

No, God didn't create only Christians.

These are ur statements below..I am quoting u


"Can I prove with an absolute certainty that God exists? I can make the case that overwhelming evidence suggests that he does. But no I can’t prove that He exists with absolute certainty. That’s likely part of His plan. God deliberately doesn't give us absolute proof so that we're free to choose or not to choose to believe in Him."

@ bold, how then again are u trying to prove to me that God exists.

If u accept that God didn't create only Christians, then he should make everyone aware of his existence, he should be a good father to all, not only Christians

9inches:
Such a convenient cavalier dismissal of an opposing argument and hurling ad hominem rather than trying to refute the logic or premise of my
argument. This is why it would be foolhardy to continue arguing with you in this manner. You simply cannot have argument that way.

It would have actually been easy for me to quote your post and reply you with "your argument is meaningless ranting, you obviously know nothing..." and see how the discussion goes.

I saw ur opening statement of this thread that was opened over a year ago and to my time to respond to every point... And the next thing u did was post some meaningless videos of some men talk absolute nonsense, what do u want me to do with them?

The best u could have done is respond to my post accordingly. Don't insult my intelligence with those videos

9inches:
@bolded, Right on point! And that's the reality of every professing christian. God is actually not the one hiding, rather, it's human beings like you that shy away from knowing him... And that's different from trying to prove to people like you, with absolute certainty, that God is a reality.

"When you're seeking God, the most important to realize is you've already been found by God."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP2rLgrBtTI

U said u cannot prove with certainty he exists, what else are u trying to prove to people like me

Besides if its the reality of Christians, I wanna ask, did God create only Christians?

9inches:
"Should be"... How "should" God be?

Like a father, known by all his children, loving and caring, present in their life because he created them. Not hiding and making u unable to prove he exist and expecting u to worship him by faith knowing u cannot prove he exists.

9inches:
Hi, your concern boils down to these questions:

1. What is the purpose and meaning of life or is life meaningless?

2. Why is there suffering/evil?

3. Is morality objective/absolute?

4. Is faith rational or irrational?

I will also add,

5. Where does our desire for the "good" (happiness, justice, love, truth, compassion, tolerance, etc) come from?

6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyYdGiJpyXk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carFbpDsRPI

Ur videos a meaningless ranting from men who obviously know nothing. They are just doing guess work there and non of them answers the questions about life.

Now break my post down and give me direct answers. U cannot ask me to pray to a God u claim u cannot prove he exists.

9inches:
Naivety, pride, wilful ignorance or utter ignorance.

And u are not worried that such common things that are part of common humans are stopping ur God from being a God that he should be?

Anyways I have responded to ur OP. Hope u have been settled

9inches:
I want to focus not on the evidence for God’s existence, but on the benefits of belief.

If God exists, then the world didn't just evolve by chance, but by deliberate design. There's an Artist behind this incredible work of art, this big, and beautiful world.

How does knowing u didn't evolve change anything? What's the advantage of knowing we didn't evolve?
What's beautiful about the world to a woman who lost her husband and son the same day in a ghastly moto accident?

If God exists, we're living in a great story, an epic like "The Lord of the Rings," with real heroes and heroic tasks. Ultimately, all the twists and turns of this epic narrative will be paid off, everything will make sense. It will even have a happy ending, not necessarily, or even likely, in our own lifetime - even Moses didn’t get into the Promised Land - but over the grand course of time in an afterlife, which exists as surely as God exists.

How does the existence of God ensure a happy ending? Does it eliminate the existence of eternal torment in fire? Even the bible said good men who don't know God will born in hell. So how does the existence of God even ensure a happy ending to a poor boy in India who believes cow is his God?

If God exists, the presence of evil, hard as it is to accept, makes sense. God allows it for a reason, namely, to preserve our free will. And God will reconcile all injustices in the end.

If evil eventually makes sense because of Gods existence, does that reduce the effect of evil? How does God allowing evil for a reason help poor humans who are experiencing pain because of evil?
God reconciling evil at the end does not really change the effect of evil at the moment.

If there is no God, life is one big crapshoot. If God does exist, morality is a real, objective feature of the world. If there is no God, morality is just the rules we make up for this little game of life we play.

So? The idea of God keeps getting useless with ur points? If there is God will it stop people from making their moral rules? Are people not making up there moral rules now?

If God exists, love is the nature of an eternal reality. If there is no God, love is just a fleeting feeling, no more than a bunch of chemical and neurological interactions.

U seem to have a disconnect with what humans feel and the existence of God. U seem to be saying that there is no difference with the existence of God and the nonexistence of God. If Love is the nature of an eternal reality What difference does it make compared to when love is just a fleeting feeling?

If God exists, you are of infinite value. He knows you as a parent knows his child. He’s accessible to you. If there is no God, each of us is as insignificant as a rock on an unknown planet.

So true, if God exist, he would have been accessible to us.

If God exists, death is conquered because if there is a God there is a reality outside of space and time. If there is no God, there is nothing immortal, and all the good things in life are destroyed forever. You, and everyone you love, and everything you think matters are all consigned to oblivion. If there is no God, life is pointless. Everything we’ve done and lived for will ultimately be in vain.

If God exist, we will all know if there is a reality after space and time, better still we will be clear on what this reality looks like.

Can I prove with an absolute certainty that God exists? I can make the case that overwhelming evidence suggests that he does. But no I can’t prove that He exists with absolute certainty. That’s likely part of His plan. God deliberately doesn't give us absolute proof so that we're free to choose or not to choose to believe in Him.

U genuinely accept u cannot prove that God exist with absolute certainty, but then go ahead to know that's his plan that u shouldn't know. How in the world did u know the plan of a God u cannot prove with certainty exists.

So which way do you want to go? Be honest. Doesn't your heart at least hope that there is a good God, a transcendent validator of love and all the highest human values? Of course it does. Why would anyone not wish that life has some ultimate purpose, that good and evil are real, that there is ultimate justice, that our love for others means something?

Honestly? I wish there was a God who created the world, I trust the world would have been a much better place.

If you choose to live as if there is a God, even if you are not sure there is a God, you lose nothing and you gain everything. According to the findings of multitude of scientific studies, religious Christians and Jews are happier, live longer, and are more charitable than their less observant or secular fellow citizens.

So ur advise is that I should choose to live as if there is a God? Should I also choose to live as if there is superman? Are we playing childish wishy wishy games here or facing reality on ground?

If you have been an atheist for a while, it may be difficult for you to change your thinking, even if you find some merit in the many rational arguments for God’s existence. But you can change your behavior. You can live as if God exists, even if you hold doubts. Why not? As I said, you lose nothing and you have everything to gain. This behavioral approach is far from new. The Jews have long had a saying, “We will do, and we will understand,” which acknowledges that action often precedes understanding.

Is this what ur Christian world is all about? Living a wish?

So why not begin with an action? Why not pray the prayer of the skeptic? "God, if you exist, you must know that I'm not a believer. So, please, God, give me the gift of faith, in your time and in your way. I want to believe whatever is true. Amen.” If you say that and mean it, and give it some time, be prepared, because He will not ignore that prayer.
- Peter Kreeft, philosophy professor at Boston College

Pray to who? A God u accepted u cannot prove with certainty exist? Is this some form of mental disorder or something?

9inches:
The first nine paragraphs were basically appeal to reason, not emotional appeal.

How do you KNOW that this God you wish for isn't already a reality, but that you are yet to grasp the idea of his existence?

Why should anyone not yet grasp the idea of his existence?

candlewax:
A lady visited me once, nothing like sex just casual visit. Never had sex in my house

Sorry, have u even has sex before... U will be surprised how sex would make u think like a man... Abi are u gay?

Rubbiish:
If they did doggy it wouldn't affect your bed spread badly.
Did she moan for long?
And how was the moaning like?
Was she screaming aloud?

Badt boy... Wacha gonna do when they come for u...

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSxIe3-Hl6g

Don't this people STUDY their Bible? Are these pastors not supposed to know better? What's this nonsense and craziness going on and folks following like they blind? Somebody help us call these madness out!

I guess u know the bible more than every other person that is not doing what u are doing... iTK

Help u call out these madness? Isn't that what atheists have been doing in this forum?

Zither:
Yes, I read that part. The issue is why mention Christianity in a matter that has nothing to do with the Christian faith? What if I responded to the report in the op by emphasizing how atheists in similar manner persecute Christians psychologically by calling them derogatory names and insulting the Christian God? Does that even make any sense? It only reveals the speaker's bigot and deep-seated hatred towards the Christians.

U cannot talk about the evils of religion without mentioning Christianity.

Zither:
This is absolutely ridiculous. What have Christians got to do with killing others for their religious beliefs? Christians are being killed everyday in different parts of the world including Nigeria for their religious belief and you are here blaming Christians on reading this report. Are you really okay?

Don't get too emotional, Jesus will not like it. Now go back and carefully read my post and come back with the right questions

Religion!!

Christians and Muslims persecute

Christians persecute psychologically
Muslims persecute physically

All Abrahamic religion... Birds of different feathers