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ScienceWatch:
atheists should live by the example of Dawkins which is to mock and insult the revered holy doctrines firstly of Christianity then of Islam.

Before you point fingers at others, look at yourselves. Anyway, tell us what do your ATHEISM have to offer the suffering humanity ??

I have groundnut to offer..

butterflylion:
Sorry a lot of us are dead to temptations and this your many talks about this imaginary hell of yours. Hmmmn

U are going to hell... wicked and intolerant people go to hell dont they?

[quote author=butterflylion post=65723834][/quote]Lol... ur post actally made me laugh. Eyaa.

Well i think christians should live by example sha. We are in the last days. The temptation is more for u guys. U dont react and act devilish as anything thrown at u... remember hell is always knocking and waiting

butterflylion:
Shut your deceptive mouth!!!!!

I am glad you noticed what you call insults I put in my comment deliberately in response to yours. I now see that you deliberately deny the obvious while focusing on what others do. This is your comment I responded to below and the words in bold was the reason I deliberately used my own words. I guess you were not being disrespectful with your own words of insult.

Ok... good to know u werent actually making any point. Just throwing meaningless jabs because of a percieved insult.

Seriously If u think the guy should be hated and relegated because he aird a different view from others then u are as intolerant and as wicked as the same muslims who killed a Christian lady a while ago in kano.

U can feel bad about this and even throw insults for this but look into ur heart... thats what u are. U are not a Christian just a hypocrite. Before u (we) start throwing in the insults (as i cam see u have accepted the challenge) first ask urself... what will Jesus do to the op for airing his views.

Oga stop decieving urself... u are going to hell. If u are angry about this slam ur head on the wall

butterflylion:
From the OP



He decided to join because he had something on his mind to say. He now GAVE QUITE A TWIST to the whole discussion. Emphasis on QUITE A TWIST. not just a twist but QUITE a twist.

Only something disrespectful would get him the kind of responses he began getting immediately after. He deliberately gave quite a twist to the belief of his hosts because he was BORED. so the best way for him to tackle his boredom was to do something mischievous against people who have never hurt him or treated him badly as he clearly testified in his write up and now it backfired and he is complaining.

Quite a twist means a different view point... how is that difficult to understand... this neans he should be hated?

butterflylion:
You are ignorant and dumb. Did he show you a transcript of his words in the chat group for you to say it was "different" and not "disrespectful"?

Indeed you are dumb beyond measure. Where did the OP say his life was being threatened by death? Where did he say anyone wanted him killed in his community?

Keep on adding salt and pepper to what the OP did not say. Perhaps you know something about this incident that the OP did not mention.

You can have the last say now.

This is what am talking about. U have started throwing the insults... later u will say someone is disrespectul..godisgood200 hope u can see... when i start giving it to him hot he will start claiming victim

What has dumb and ignorant got to do with fhis? U started by claiming the group was a christian group which i believed u infered from his post. But i didnt see that from the op. The op made it clear that it was a watsapp group he belonged and they were having a discussion on Gods redemption for man and he decided to join. How are rhey hia host? How is the group a Christian group?

Even in my alumni watsapp group christian topics always comes up and i give my own opinion and sure everyone gives theirs even muslims.

How did i add pepper.. u said its a xhriatian group and they are his host... where did yhe op say so? Is it not clear he said on a whatsapp group he belonged?

Yet u have the impetus to call me dumb? Are u dancing around in ur room naked? Oga if u want us to turn this to throwing insults i am at ur service just indicate ur interest by throwing another one.

butterflylion:
If he voices his opinion and it wasn't disrespectful (based on your view) why then should the opinion from the Christians In his community be seen as disrespectful (by you)

I suppose you never read to understand. The fact that he began by first stating the kind of community he lives in and their response after that whatsapp chat shows there were a lot of Christians on that chat and the OP said the topic of the chat was about religion and God's plan for man, redemption, salvation, deliverance should let you know it was a Christian chat group.

He deserves what he got. If you want respect then show it to others. If you know your opinions are not going to be welcomed by your hosts, why DECIDE to offer it?

Say what you will but even the OP disagrees with you. He knows that all the years he kept quiet and went about his business without disrespecting the religion and lifestyle of his hosts all was great and then he now DECIDED to break this good thing he had going with his "I can no longer mind my business" opinions.

His bed, he should lay on it. Period.

His view was not disrespectful, it was different.
The group was not a christian group but the topic was a christian topic in the group he belonged to.
U are intolerant and wicked and when the muslims in kano took off that ladies head for preaching to them and saying Jesus is the way and not mohammed.. u should said it served her right. Do u advocate that the christians in his community kill him too for being "disrespectful"?
When some does not challenge ur view he is doing a good thing...tell us the world is urs

butterflylion:
From the OP



That is the crux of the matter. He deliberately decided to disrespect and be uncharitable to his hosts. The Bible says soft words turn away much wrath. What we sow is what we reap. If you sow soft words, you reap soft words. If you want respect, then give respect.

He cannot come here and be complaining over something he deliberately brought upon himself.

If you are blind and cannot read and be factual and only see "Christian christian" everywhere then like I said, stop trying to infect me with your ignorance.

Oga... someone voiced his opinion and he is suddenly disrespectful? Godisgood200 said he wabts ro kill him for voicing his opinion. Is this how wicked u guys can be?
How did he disrespect his host? Who is his host.. did he even say the watsapp group was a christian group? The topic came up in the group he belonged and he aird his view which was different and u call him disrespectful.. and all of a sudden a christian like u thinks he deserves being relegated for airing a different view? How about lets kill him for airing a different view? U can suggest that and clajm to b a Christian

godisgood200:
No, we don't work to make them feel bad, but we are not in charge of the state of their mines, we can't influence how they feel.

The are actually working to make him feel bad. Read the op again.

If we shd live together then we shd respect each others views. Not you insulting mine but expecting me to just keep you around me doing nothing about it. Even Jesus said, If your own hand causes you to sin, cut it off.

What do u consider insult? U walk up to me and tell me to believe in God or burn in hell and i say no, God does not exist? Is it what u call insult?
U sensitivity is the issue here. Its unfortunate that u dont understand my position. U want me to hold ur God dear to my heart like u hence u expect me to act in certain ways when God is mentioned. Breaking news: its not possible... God is just a false ideaa to me so when i talk about God see me as someone who does not care. Hence u should see my view as insult and i shouldnt see urs as insult. So no need for anyone to relegate anyone.

You are making it seem like, only atheists have the right to their feelings and the Christians must abide by what the atheists wants them to do. When i relegate you, you'd feel bad, but you are poised on doing what shd make me avoid you, yet you expect that because i'm a Christian i shd just keep accepting you.

I wasnt the one who wrote the bible u believe in. The bible says turn the other chick. If u claim u are a bleiever, i expect u to act that way. U cant eat ur cake and have it. U cant justify claiming to be a believer anf acting like an unbleiever.

This soumds satanic to me. You know that this thing hurts me, but you won't stop doing it. You keep hurting me, and you know my continuous association with you will bring about strife as a result of your actions. you know as a Christian, i shouldn't live in strife, but you insist. When i relegate you you get angry.

Do u even know what it means to be a Christian? U quickly accept u are a Christianbut u are not ready to carry the cross. Why then are u wastin both our time? Like i said, ur sensitivity is the issue here. Why get angry when u know i sont care? Why get hurt and act unchristian when ur belief is challenged? Why claim to be a christian when u cant take the heat.
My advise... join athiest and release ur soul from this burden i cannot bear.

Why shd the Op feel bad for being avoided? Does he want to delibrately keep hurting the Christians or make them angry thereby sin?

The should feel bad when people regate him for airing his views. He never claimed to be a Christian who will turn the other chick and love ur enemy. The question is why will christians feel bad and relagete him when they claim they are holy meek, kind, loving, joyous, patient, good, gentle. U want to be called a Christian but u dont want to be a Christian.

No, God does not test His Children with evil. Satan does.

How is this supposed ro change anything? Should christians succumb to tests because its coming from satan?

Jesus says, resist the devil and he will flee from you. We don't see satan, just like we don't see God, but we see their manifestations emanateing from the people that have subjected themselves to be used by them. Anyone you stirs up anger in another person has an evil spirit dwelling in them. Keep them off. If he is hungry feed him, but don't give him access into you, because he will poison you. Sheep does not play with wolves.

Do u know the meaning of resist? Does it mean... get angry, relegateand hate? Are u even a christian?

You're missing the whole point. Loving my enemy doesn't mean allowing your enemy access into to your inner most thoughts. He is still your enemy, undeestand that. That you love him doesn't he will love you back and not harm you.

U are missing the point... loving ur enemy does not mean u should relegate and make them feel bad

Loving my enemy means, i don't harbour any ill towards him in my heart.

When u relagete and hate them and make them feel bad u are habouring loving thoughts?

Loving my enemy mean, i don't avenge what he does or has done agsisnt me.

Loving enemy does not mean u should hate and relegate them either

Loving my enemy means, i give to him help when he needs it. I don't walk pass him because he walka pass me in my needs.

Loving my enemy means, i forgive him all he has done against me and pray that God delivers him from the devil.

Loving my enemy means, i can give him my last meal and go hungry even when i know he can uae what i give to him against me.

Here u are supporting fellow christians who instead doing this, they are doing the opposite.

LOVING MY ENEMY DOES NOT MEAN, I SHOULD EAT FROM THE SAME PLATE WITH THEM, they still hate me and wants me dead.

Jesus said LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF, HE didn't say Love your neighbours more than you love yourself.

Remember you have to stay alive in other to love(?)

Someone does not believe in ur God now he wants u dead? Like i said u have sensitivity issues. Stop sayin another thingand doing another thing. U dont love ur neibour by relegating and hating them... all u have typed above is not what the chriatians in the op did. Stop prerending and trying to justify unchristian acts.

Sir, your conclusion is very irrlevant in this matter. You are in no position to give orders to another man's servant. His master has ordered him on what to do and how to do it, you don't come in miarepresenting the madter with an attempt to mislead the servants.

Love ia giving, you can give without loving, but you can't love without giving. That is why we give you our time letting you know your fate if you remain rebellious, but you insults us, yet still wants us to keep you close.

No, the Lord did not say we shd keep your company. Crying about it won't change.

Bad company corrupts good manners.

I see people who claim to be christians before insulting Christ here, how did it happen? Wrong association with the sons of perdition in Nairaland.

This forum was raised by the Seed of satan to bring souls down, but his reward awaits him.

U cant be two faced bro... if the bible instructs i to love ir enemies and u relegate and hate them like the chriatians in the op did.. u have failed and hell is waiting for u

butterflylion:
Please don't infect me with your ignorance. Love your enemies does not translate to stopping them form reaping what they sow. The law of sowing and reaping is unstoppable despite any love you show your enemy.

He chose a path and is acting like he does not know that any path chosen comes with its own events and incidents?

I repeat he made his bed so he should lay on it. Conscious change brings matching effects. Or does the law of cause and effect no longer work?

Now he is playing the blame game and trying to shift his problem on other people when clearly he was the one who intruded on the beliefs of his hosts by being uncharitable on the whatsapp group he went on.

Like I said, stop trying to infect me with your ignorance.

See him trying to wriggle his way out. Christians that are advised to love their enemies are helping reap what he has sown. Thats failure on their part. The issue is not weather he is reaping what he has sown, the issue for mw are those hypocritical christians like you who reaping from.what u have not sown. An unbeliever sows a seed (which is a test to u) and u joing him in reaping from it. Will u not go to the same hell with him?

Lol at reaping what he has sown. Its all his fault sha... he is the one allowing needy people who hold onto mythical beings to help them in life to oppress him.

godisgood200:
Hahahahahahahaha. It means if they need anything from you or you see they have a need, give it to them regarless of what they are. But don't keep their company for their leaven can rub on you and pollut you.

Does it also mean thatbu should segregate them, look at them with hatred and allegations and make them feel bad? I mean, thats what i get from the op. The christians him are making him feel worst because he objects to their God idea. They neglect all u have written up here and do the opposite.
Isn't this a kind of test for the christians too? Even butterflylion is sahing he deserves it. Is this what loving ur enemy is? Wven though i dont consider the an inch to their enemy he ia getting more than an enemy deserves.

My conclusion... all.these Christians have failed the test... even butterylion and others that support this unchristian act are going hell. See u all there.

godisgood200:
With all the bragging, you registered your moniker since 2008, yet yoh couldn't hold down a real and consistent discussion with anyone religious or irrlegious? Why? Could that be because they you empty?


Move along Mr Braggard.

See this one making unneccesary claims just because i am boldy saying i can handle christians. U want me to come here and cry and beg for ur attention?
Since u checked up my profile why did u take ur eyes off my early posts on nairaland? Did u see how an empty me rocked the literature section before i shifted my attention to religion?

Why not take ur time and read through my arguements? I have had two people confess that i actually converted them to atheism.

I only insult the likes of felixomore and analice who after not being able to keep up with me get personal.

Like i said show me an instance i insulted... i have had good conversation with many people here u can ask vaxx.

How do u even want me to handle frustrated Christians who gets insultive when they cannot hold unto a discussion? Pet them like babiez when they go all insultive? Nahhh i slam their head in the wall and shift them aside.

godisgood200:
This is what you tell yourself to feel good about your life because, although, i have not had a discussion with you, but i have watched you fall flat on your face and resort to insults during a discussion here.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Pls stop the bragging.

Show me an instance i insulted anyone... this is what i mean when i say religious people lose confidence aroubd me. Lol.. u wish i was bragging right? Will that make u feel good?
Them never born that Christian way go relegate me because i am not a Christian. I am yet to see. I am too much for them all even jesus.
I walk with my head and shoulders high. Jesus is too small for me to lose confidence for.
Imagine... how can somoene who belief in imaginary being and ancient books even try to relegate me... watin the person smoke?

toyinjimoh:
u have always had, bros when will u settle down

have u settled down? why is Jonjazzy's marriage status ur peoblem?

Generalhealth:
Everyday, bbnaija always makes front page, meanwhile some good health articles wch can help people, educate people are abandoned on the health section.
We forget the value of life and choose it for some meaningless fun.

some people actually enjoy watching BBNaija, i think u like it too, why click on the thread? if u dont like bbnaija move onto other interesting topics

DrinkLimca:
So how does it affect us?

You had a babe like Nina before, so where is your wife now..

I can't believe with all his money and age, he is not a father..

At his age he is still looking for true love before having a child..
He is a joke..
He will grow old,, the ladies ain't loyal but that does not stop one with money from giving birth to who will continue your legacy..

Ok... why are u so pained that don Jazzy is not married? Is don Jazzy pained that u are not as rich as he is?

i am not understanding

I have a domineering and seemingly focused personality... the story for me is the other way round. Religeous folks feel stupid around me. They are scared of arguing with me... can they even afford not being friends with me? I am both fun and interesting to be with.

I meet someone for the first time and he is dissapointed I am an atheist, but he quickly gets over it and only promise to pray for me... sometime they leave with "i am sure God will touch your heart one day" and I reply "I am waiting"

my friends and family dont have the confidence to relegate me, I am confidence itself... how can u use what I have against me.

Even Jesus de fear me

awesomeJ:
I want to continue in this convo, but first if you're saying it wasn't my prayer that made me pass, then explain what you think the cause was.

Take your big bang guys for instance, they didn't just say "The universe has no creator" they at least made an attempt in explaining that there was a bang. The probability of that being true is zero anyways, but they at least tried.
So why not follow suit.
Why was I able to pass an exam that I did nothing but pray about, whereas several other folks in my class failed, and those who also passed, did so by their awesome efforts. Make a try bro.

U seem.not to get his point. He is only trying to let u know why ur version of reaon why u passed the exam could be doubtable.

If you ask a person who studied night and days for the exam and he tells he passed because he read hard... that would be easy to understand.

If u say u wrote a letter to an unknown person amd he magically helped u pass... that could be doubtable even if its true. This is because saying u were magically helped is not a resonable explanation because it cant be proven like studing hard.

Even if u didnt study for the exam... given u are not the first to pass without studying... one could easily say that u were quick to understand the subject just by attending class and because u felt u needed extra help u wrote a letter to a magician for help... this does not stop ur intelligence from still coming to play. The magician might be talking credit for what he didnt do.

It is expected that u should understand, when people doubt ur verson of reason why u passed.

awesomeJ:
You'd do yourself a whole lot of good, making efforts to discard the ignorance you're here flaunting.

In case your mind deceives you, there have been billions of people in all generations, much better than you on several notes, who have willingly lived their entire lives serving God.

So why in your silly imaginations would you think he needs to beg anyone for love?

if you saw just one angel, the experience would overwhelm you, yet He has billions of them worshipping Him, and can make trillions more if He wanted?

God isn't begging you for anything? He couldn't possibly be. He's only offering you a way out of an impending eternal damnation. You may chooses to reject Him. Millions of people do, makes no difference. Safe journey to wherever you think you're headed after life.

Your created the world, created the problem and created hell then offers me a way out while he sits back in a hidden place and watch the drama... rabbish

awesomeJ:
Save us the lecture prof.
Guy said God begs people for love. I debunked that, saying He's had billions of people who willingly served Him, and so he couldn't possibly be begging anyone for anything.

Now, when you would interprete that, what you got was "billions of people worship God, therefore He's true".

Maybe you should turn on gravity on your mobile device if that's what you're viewing with, cos it appears you read the post up side down.

Ya right... God has rich men worshiping him why bother himself about an ordinary me... yet u wonder why i flush any idea of him in the toilet

awesomeJ:
You're on a wrong page.

I didn't say God cannot show himself. it's easier than the easiest for Him to do that.

I gave an illustration about Dangote to show you that for any mature personality, the rantings of some folks who doubt their status could never bulge them.

If you insist Dangote should show you his truck load of cash to prove his wealthy status. Then it's becomes established that He wouldn't even regard that, talk less of do it. As an open minded person, wouldn't you seek other available means to verify his wealth status? Would you not try looking into his assets and investments as proof? So it's silly asking God to show Himself, when His works are conspicuous and countless.

Who is Dangote? We are talking about a supposedly creator who dumped us here disappears and expect us to know him by faith.

What has the characteristic of God got to do with Dangote, my fellow human who is trying to survive just like me?
Even if Dangote was my father, would hide and expect him to figure him out and get angry when i ask him to show himself?
Dont u guys sometimes feel foolish when u defend the creator of the world?
If i was Dangote and u ask me to show u my truck load of cash before u accept i am rich i will ask for ur arrest.

Why does God think like Dangote?

awesomeJ:
You'd do yourself a whole lot of good, making efforts to discard the ignorance you're here flaunting.

In case your mind deceives you, there have been billions of people in all generations, much better than you on several notes, who have willingly lived their entire lives serving God.

So why in your silly imaginations would you think he needs to beg anyone for love?

if you saw just one angel, the experience would overwhelm you, yet He has billions of them worshipping Him, and can make trillions more if He wanted?

God isn't begging you for anything? He couldn't possibly be. He's only offering you a way out of an impending eternal damnation. You may chooses to reject Him. Millions of people do, makes no difference. Safe journey to wherever you think you're headed after life.

Oh... no wonder he is not interested in proving himself to anyone.

Or perhaps he has u to help prove him to ur fellow humans.. how in the f*cking world did this great almigthy think it will work?

awesomeJ:
You would still deny.
You claim Dangote doesn't need to show a truck load of money to prove he's rich, because his investments are obvious.
Just take a deep thought, and tell me how that is any different from what we tell you that:

God doesn't need to show himself in the sky to prove He's real, because his works are obvious.

What's the difference between both our claims.

Try to read the narration I gave of Kenneth Hagin's healing from cancer, then attempt to explain how it's anything short of the supernatural. If you fail at that attempt, then you'd have to take that narration as an evidence for the existence for the supernatural.

Really God might not need to show us his face but with all his powers ans awesomeness and wisdom he just cant anything that can prove to the world he exists ?
Sometimea i think u guys dont really understand what comes to mind of a human when u describe God theu way u do? Or i think somewhere in ur mind u guys are actually joking and dont take u own words serious. Or u dont really beleive he is as great as u make him sound.

This is someone who supposedly created the whole universe, knows our yesterday and tomorrow, knows the thought and future actions of ove 7billion people all over the world. Knows everyone before he is born...yet u are telling me to know he exists i must depend on ur ezperience of him and have faith and read ancient jewish story book?

How does he suddenly stop being this almigthy God when it comes to showing the world he exists? How come its u who have the power to show us God, as great as he is, exists?

Is something not fishy?

awesomeJ:
Just as someone could say to Dangote, "let him show us a truck load of cash to prove that he's Africa's richest"
You think any amount of such rants by any fellow should make Dangote bulge?

How much less God Almighty. He's not out to impress you or convince you that He exists, if that was what He wanted, does common sense not make it obvious that he would have coded us to compulsorily accept him? The power of choice is one of the greatest He has given to man, and He very much respects it.

Finally, even if he chose to appear, let's even say that could happen, the atheists that I know you guys to be would still say it's not enough proof, you'd probably say it's an alien from another galaxy, and then spread news about an impending human colonization by aliens.

How can someone tell you that one moment he was bedfast, and just waiting to die of cancer, having been given up on by the finest doctors, and then he prayed in faith, and instantly his body was made whole.

The only thing you could do is say maybe it didn't happen, but since it really did happen, it defies common sense for you to still seek any other proof of the supernatural. That experience to an objective mind, is more proof than any sky-appearing stunt you guys seek.

And the only reason you keep asking for God to show himself I. the sky, is not so you can believe-naah..
It's cos, just as with Dangote, you know He won't bulge just cos of some silly rantings.

Except any of you explains how these supernatural encounters we described could have ordinarily happenings, then it's obvious we've given you proofs of the supernatural that you can't deny.

Why will anyone ask Dangote to show him a truck load of money before accepting he ia the richest man ib Africa? Whats he doing with such knowledge? Why will dangote prove to anyone that he is that rich? Will u give him extra money?
Ur God is all over the place pleading for love, killing his son for our sake, asking us to look unto him, telling us our present and after life is in his hands, even threatening is with hell if we dont love him back yet he prefers to hide and use the experience of a human like me to prove to me he exists. Even if your god exist, why ia he acting like a confused fellow?

Image123:
I'm guessing this is also written in your heart?

Psychic alert!!

bloodofthelamb:
You know better than the one who created you.
'Clap for yourself.'

"Pride comes before a fal.l"

A God that cannot talk cannot create me.

Actually i am not surprised u were created by a dumb God who communicates in sign heart language

bloodofthelamb:
His voice to our heart is calm and low, if you are not focus on Him you won't hear Him.

He needs your full concentration and focus. You must stay your mind on Him in other to hear Him.
Secondly,we must respond through faith in thanksgiving.

This is too petty for a creator who created mouth but cannot talk.

hopefulLandlord:
Lmao! I find it shocking that question is coming from someone who's gone through the thread

How then can one have a meaningful conversation with such an individual?

Emmanystone:
Are you an atheist or an evolutionist? Which one?

He is a musician.

iamwhat:
The Bible's answer is that GOD CREATED EVERYTHING OMNISCIENTLY!

The same u who is asking biologists how the reproductive organ was created is making this statement...

Whats the difference between these two statements:
- God created the reproductive organ
- the human reproductive organ evolved over time

Can u see how both answer lack details? Yet u are wise to asked evolutionists for details, but foolish enough not to ask God for details.

Ericsunday619:
if you using the bible to search for answers you will end up more confuse because the bible lacks the evidence

Of course