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LordReed:
You are far from humble. You are so conceited I wonder how your head fits through your front door every time you go out. I specifically said in one of my responses in this thread that it may be possible that gods exist somewhere in the universe but because you are too conceited and lost in your solipsistic dungeon you didn't see or understand what I wrote. Yes you are a solipsist, go look up the meaning if you don't know what it means or scratch that you'll claim someone other bizarre thing lemme do it for you. Solipsism from Latin solus 'alone', and ipse 'self') is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.

Aahh, but you are wrong. I AM HUMBLE. And you should be too because if you are like me you should know you know nothing FOR SURE. That's reality.
I am not a solipsist because I'm not sure even my own mind exists. Also, unlike solipsists, I concede I may be wrong about even that!

LordReed:
Did Dr Anil Seth say anything about supernatural?

1. Somehow he is both wrong and right. You claim he was right because he said our brains are only approximating now you are claiming he is wrong that your brain doesn't approximate. You seem to be confused. Oh I forgot you know nothing.

2. LoL! You never bothered to ask did you if probability factored into my statements. You were busy in your solipsistic dungeon convinced you know nothing. I have been presented with cases that occurred so long ago that details of their occurrences are sparse but I am supposed to form the opinion that there is some kind of supernatural realm or power when it can't be demonstrated in any conclusive or remarkable way. Yes I need conclusive proof, I am not trapped in a solipsist basement thinking I know nothing. I know and I am capable of knowing.

You tell us. You are the one who say he said consciousness disproves supernatural.

1) I was just telling you what he said concerning AGREEMENT, which made sense. But I myself perceive things as my brain receive them - no approximations.

2) Then you would have not used the word "conclusive". See below again. That's as conclusive as things get in this our reality

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Hismasterpiece:
Guy you need to see a psychologist. Something is seriously wrong with you.

LordReed come and see. Didn't I tell you? Does this sound like a real person to you??!!
Like I said, boil it down to four words: I MAY BE WRONG. Keeps me humble and honest and keeps me reminded my thinking could be flawed and that there could be things I don't know that I don't know.

LordReed:
No, you aren't arguing with real people, you are arguing with the simulations in your head.

LoL! You are so trapped in your solipsistic dungeon you can't understand sarcasm even when it bites your arse. Bwahahahahahaha!

As long as you got an education who cares wether you call it sarcasm or marcasite. I am not really a solipsist. They speak big grammar, etc. Mine is boiled down to four words: I MAY BE WRONG. Keeps me humble and honest and keeps me reminded my thinking could be flawed and that there could be things I don't know that I don't know.

LordReed:
LoL! For someone who doesn't know anything you sure are concerned with winning and losing. You have no way of knowing you won anything do you? You could have lost the argument and are just thinking you won because THE SIMULATORS want you to think you won. LoL.

Exactly!! Now you are getting some education! I don't know anything FOR SURE including if I really won this argument. But from all preponderance of evidence I PROBABLY did (assuming I've been arguing with real people)

LordReed:
Near1 posted a video of Dr Anil Seth, I responded about Dr Anil Seth, you responded with quotes of Dr Anil Seth but somehow in your solipsistic mind the discourse was not focused on Dr Anil Seth. LMAO!

1. True we approximate reality because our brains and bodies are not capable of absorbing and processing all of the information the universe is presenting at any one time but it doesn't mean we don't know anything, that is absurd. We know what we know and don't know what we don't know to now claim we don't know what we know is a solipsistic trap.
2. We know that no demonstration of supernatural has been conclusively shown. We have been on supernatural beliefs since the dawn of human history yet no one can tell what it is or how it operates. The only approximations you come up with are from fiction. If you want to believe in supernatural go right ahead but don't tell me to believe, show me.

The discussion was existence of supernatural not Seth. I don't see how you are debating that.

1. He actually was wrong. I experience reality as presented to my brain. No approximations.
You are wrong on the other point too. Everything is probabilistic (including all of science that you worship) I said it before, there is nothing I know FOR SURE except that this thought exists (same applies to you if you exist and are like me)

2. The word "conclusively" exposes your biased selectivity. EVERYTHING is probabilistic. You have been presented with all sorts of possible supernatural occurences and skeptical experts who investigated them and became convinced there are more to things than we think. And you are looking for "conclusive" proof!!

LordReed:
LMAO! So you'd rather be enamoured with fiction than consider what you experience every waking minute? Dude you are lost in hard solipsism.

I'm not enamoured with anything. I simply acknowledge the obvious which you folks refuse to do. And that is why you lost, and will always lose this type of argument.
(As long as you keep refusing to acknowledge the only thing we are sure of - that we aren't sure of the true nature of reality - and have no way of being sure. At least I am not sure, as I have no way of being sure you exist outside my head!)

LordReed:
I wrote that what Dr Anil Seth said doesn't support supernatural, go look at it again which was why I asked in what article he said it, not knowing you were talking of some fictional character.

This discussion was never focused on him (in fact you are the one who kept writing "Dr. Anil Seth", I never did). I presented a quote that talks blatantly about past lives and your response was that it didn't mean it said supernatural existed.

The clip in question, here's what I wrote about it:
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He never said that supernatural did not exist. But assuming he did, did you ever ask yourself this: how did he know?!

The relevant thing he said is that we make up "reality" - we don't know it's true nature. Common sense tells you that is true.

1) We have no way if knowing FOR SURE the true nature of reality
2) Therefore we can't know for sure whether a supernatural exists but preponderance of evidence and experiences suggest that it does.
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Lol. Told u you lost the argument because you refuse to acknowledge the only thing we are sure of - that we aren't sure the true nature of reality - and have no way of being sure! At least I am not sure, as I have no way of knowing if you really exist!

LordReed:
The problem with you is you are more enamoured with the metaphor than with reality. Can you demonstrate anything remotely close to Neo's supernatural abilities? Can you demonstrate any sort of supernatural ability?

How can I be enamored with "reality" when I have no way of knowing it's true nature. Wether I can demonstrate supernatural ability is irrelevant. In fact if we indeed exist in a simulation the first duty of the simulators would be to make absolutely sure we NEVER suspect it's a simulation. That's why we shouldn't dismiss or try to rationalize reports of supernatural occurrences because those could be slip-ups in their system. There are a billion ways existence could have been set up so we can independently verify that what we are experiencing is real. And why is it set up so we must sleep and dream? Is it so the simulators would have opportunity to tinker with our brains. Point is, we don't know. Or at least I don't know, as you may not even really exist!

LordReed:
LoL! It was you making a fool of yourself quoting a figment of someone's imagination and thinking it is real. Is it not the same you shouting about The Matrix movie as if it is real? That's your mo, as clear as daylight. Bwahahahahaha!

As for matrix movie, some movies are good metaphors for our existence - this is one of them. The true nature of reality may not be like anything we can possibly imagine. We could very well be brains in jars linked together

LordReed:
LoL! It was you making a fool of yourself quoting a figment of someone's imagination and thinking it is real. Is it not the same you shouting about The Matrix movie as if it is real? That's your mo, as clear as daylight. Bwahahahahaha!

You actually said it with a straight face - that a statement clearly stating that people have multiple lifetimes does no support existence of a supernatural!!!!!

HellVictorinho:
To hell with what you know!

I knew it! What real person would type this??!!
You can't fool me. Figment of my imagination

LordReed:
We were talking about Dr Anil Seth and you snuck in another imaginary Seth which you didn't mention so how was I to know it was not the same Seth? You were simply being deceptive.

We are not debating deceptive or anything else. We are debating who was making a fool of himself, and clearly it was YOU!

LordReed:
Stop trying to be too clever by half, we are talking of Dr Anil Seth not some imagination of an unwell person.

Whenever you say a statement like that doesn't imply there is a supernatural it's called making a fool of yourself.
You should have been disputing who made the statement not what the statement meant

LordReed:
You obviously because we were talking of Dr Anil Seth whom you so obviously quoted but decided to slip in another Seth. You were trying to be too clever by half, thinking Dr Anil Seth's authority will give credence to your mumbo jumbo Seth. I don't care for your other Seth because he is a hoax. Jane Roberts had hypothyroidism, of which one of the symptoms is mood disorders and schizophrenia-spectrum disorders. He was a figment of her imagination.

Anybody who reads a statement saying people live multiple types and still says whoever said it doesn't believe in the supernatural, is making a fool of himself

HellVictorinho:
Whether you are sure or not, I know I exist because I exist


If I don't exist,it means I won't know.

For all I know it's a figment of my imagination that typed this

HellVictorinho:
When you say it is impossible to determine the true nature of reality
It means nobody can determine the true nature of reality




You have said many things

Not just one thing


I have addressed the main thing


Which is the issue of what I know



I don't care about what you know or don't know

Bros, I have said many times that I have no way of being sure u actually exist outside my head. How then can I be talking about what YOU know or don't know??!!

HellVictorinho:
You don't know why you are saying that you know that nobody can determine the true nature of reality because you cannot determine whether you are correct or not when you say you know that nobody can determine the true nature of reality but I can determine that you are wrong when you say have correctly determined that nobody can determine the true nature of reality since I am aware that the true nature of reality or the true property of reality is to have no limit when reality remains WHAT IS HAPPENING INSTEAD OF NOTHING.


There's no limit to what is happening


The property of something to possess limits is happening or is being displayed by the things that have limits and these limits coincide with a specific form


The universe can only exist as just another thing that shows what is happening

Did you see "nobody" in anything I wrote??
Here's what I wrote again verbatim:
I don't know what I don't know that I didn't know
Debate that.

LordReed:
LOL! We are talking of Dr Anil Seth, you are bringing up some spiritual mumbo jumbo. You are the one making a fool of yourself. Bwahahahahaha!

I now see the Genesis of your confusion! I keep posting quotes and you keep saying the quotes are not saying what they are clearly saying (never mind which Seth said them). Answer for yourself: who is making a fool of himself?

LordReed:
Tell me in which article he said it.

No disrespect but u r kinda making a fool of yourself.
It's not even a he. The woman claims to be channeling a spirit named Seth, and you still say she doesn't believe in the supernatural!!!

LordReed:
You should be the answering the question since it was you who posted a quote from Einstein.

Seth does not. You bring quotes taken out of context to bolster your view, that is called quote mining. Go read the entirety of the blog post first instead of posting pictures that don't tell the whole story.

I gratuitously posted the Einstein quote which is clearly not part of the discussion - which is why I didn't reference it at all (didn't say "see below"

As for Seth, someone says point blank he can assure you you have lived before. Explain to us what context he put it that renders it not support of existence of a supernatural!!

HellVictorinho:
Diversion_we are talking about what you claim to know instead of what you don't claim to know.



Spits...

Clearly I can say I don't know for sure because I don't know what I don't know, which is what I'm saying.
Why is that so hard to understand sir? I should be the one spitting

HellVictorinho:
Ask yourself why you are saying whatever you are saying


It's your problem

Clearly I can say I don't know for sure because I don't know what I don't know. U ok sir

LordReed:
More of your quote mining. That statement attributed to Einstein was taken from a letter (quoted in part below).

In 1936, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to a sixth-grade student, Phyllis Wright, in response to her questions: Do scientists pray? And if so, what do they pray for?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e., by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.

Read in context you get the idea that while Einstein proposes a form of spirituality, he doesn't endorse the idea of supernatural beings capable of influencing reality.

I have read this letter before. I don't know what it has to do with the discussion.
The discussion is on Seth, whether he supports supernatural. He does!!! Read below again.
He even talks of "creation".

LordReed:
This is the problem with people like you, you enjoy quote mining and taking things out of context because they stroke feeling of profundity the narrative you want to construct gives you.

This statement: human consciousness generally is a tiny region in a vast space of possible consciousnesses when read in context will let you understand that he was talking about how it is possible that other animals may indeed be experiencing consciousness in ways we don't. Read the full context here: https://blog.ted.com/how-does-consciousness-happen-anil-seth-speaks-at-ted2017/

At no point does Anil mention the possibility of the existence of a supernatural, in fact he says consciousness is firmly grounded in the body here:

"Just as biologists have explained the properties of living systems — like metabolism, homeostasis and reproduction — once we start explaining the properties of consciousness in terms of things happening inside brains and bodies, the apparent metaphysical mystery of what consciousness is should start to fade away."

So yes Mr Matrix, Anil Seth does not say consciousness is a supernatural phenomenon.

You carefully avoid addressing that he said "I am sure you have lived before and will live again" . What's more supernatural than that??

Near1:
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Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

Why not address the whole talk instead of selective
I think u may have lost the thrust of my discussion:
1) We have no way if knowing FOR SURE the true nature of reality
2) Therefore we can't know for sure whether a supernatural exists but preponderance of evidence and experiences support that it does.

HellVictorinho:
How are you sure of the reality or correctness of what you claim to be sure of

I can say I don't know what I don't know that don't know and be 100% correct, needing no follow-up questions

HellVictorinho:
Another post to be disposed


How did you know the nature of reality cannot be determined when you are never sure of anything?


That the nature of reality cannot be determined is either true/real or false/fake


You contradict yourself since you say you can't determine what is real(a statement towards reality) but you can determine what is true (a statement towards the truth)


LordReed

Nonsensical circular argument. I can say I don't know what I don't know that I don't know and that's the end of that. But I can't say I know spmething FOR SURE without raising the question: how do you know?

HellVictorinho:
To hell with what the guy said and the guy himself!

Lol. Told u you lost the argument because you refuse to acknowledge the only thing we are sure of - that we aren't sure the true nature of reality - and have no way of being sure!

LordReed:
So are you. You watched a video in which the speaker categorically says there is no supernatural cause of consciousness and you claim it supports your view.

The person who said the following doesn't think there is a supernatural??!! You ok sir?

LordReed:
So are you. You watched a video in which the speaker categorically says there is no supernatural cause of consciousness and you claim it supports your view.

He never said that, but assuming he did, did you ever ask yourself this: how did he know?!

The relevant thing he said is that we make up "reality" - we don't know it's true nature. Common sense tells you that is true