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KnownUnknown:
You’re not getting it. Fantasy is not reality. We don’t hope anything about perceiving reality as it is because it’s fundamentally impossible to perceive it as it is due to our physiology.
Regardless, fantasy is not reality. Just abstraction of reality we perceive. Which is what your assertions are.

The emboldened ends the discussion. You have now gotten it. It can be anything, even things we are simply incapable of imagining, talkless of things we can imagine like those things you listed

KnownUnknown:
Or maybe you’re creating fantasies and insisting they are realities.

e.g.
We could be alive in multiple dimensions.
We are 5 dimensional beings in a 3-D reality
We exist in the fourth dimension and this reality is a holograph

We are living in time dilation caused by oscillating waves of gravity. The beings caught between tides of time and gravity are what we perceive as ghosts.

Now you are getting it. We don't know for sure. We hope what we perceive as how things are are how they really are, but we may be wrong

KnownUnknown:
Some people acting out some dreams in reality such as seen in sleepwalking is not evidence of doing things in your dream.

Dreaming of jumping in a pool is different from actually jumping in a pool and if someone jumps in the pool while dreaming, such person would wake up to what you call “reality”.

Read what I posted again, people physically drove, fought, killed, did everything while dreaming - could have also been killed

HellVictorinho:
Both the study and the people that performed the study remain wrong


Show me a proof of you doing XYZ in a dream_let's start from there.

I'll add you to something I posted earlier

KnownUnknown:
You can’t do anything in a dream the way you do things in reality because your dreams only exist in your mind. You can imagine your self climbing stairs or dream of climbing stairs but both are different from actually climbing stairs in “real” life.

People do just that.. Did you see the screenshots I shared? Go read them.

LordReed:
The nonsense talker here is you because you won’t acknowledge what is before your very eyes. Placebos are basically sugar pills but to you it is magic because they produced favorable outcome but it’s not magic when a control group that takes nothing gets the same favorable outcome. You won’t acknowledge that the placebo are in fact taking nothing.

You could be the only one who doesn't know that how you feel, your expectations, and what you believe can affect how you heal - if you believe something will heal you, it will!

LordReed:
I guess you are still dreaming cos I never said such to you.

So we agree on one thing - anything that can be done in real life can be done in a dream! All others on this thread don't agree

LordReed:
Most humans don’t walk around thinking they are dreaming. If you are one of those who can’t distinguish between dream and reality that’s fine, others can.

QED.
You finally agree. Henceforth you'll stop saying there are things that can be done in "real" life but not in dreams!

LordReed:
So to you placebo is magic while taking nothing to achieve the same effect is not magic? LoL SMH

Stop talking nonsense. Is taking asprin when you have headache same as taking nothing?

KnownUnknown:
Thank you for acknowledging the difference between “real” life and dreams. Lol
By the way, I am an EXPERT.

That's why it's in quotes. Our real life may be a dream within another real life. Universe could be so weird that maybe there are multiple real lives and you just dying and waking up successively!

LordReed:
People have done similar under the effects of drugs or brain damage so what is special about people committing crimes under abnormal sleep effects?

People can do ANYTHING while dreaming that they can do while awake

HellVictorinho HellVictorinho
LordReed, KnownUnknown

See below, examples of what people have done.
Explain them!

LordReed:
So what should I type?

Then you type in what it is you want to know, with any extra details that will take you to the exact website

LordReed:
What is the difference between cancer going into remission while taking placebo and cancer going into remission while not taking anything?

Same difference between cancer going into remission while taking cancer medication and cancer going into remission while not taking anything. Understand, placebo acts as medication that physically cures you when you think it’s medication that will physically cure you.

KnownUnknown:
Find a two story building. Climb on the roof. Then throw yourself off. Make sure there is nothing to cushion your fall. We want to make sure you get the full experience.

You’ll be able to tell the difference between dreams ( false awakening, lucid, etc) and reality after this simple exercise.

Wrong! People die in dreams all the time. Just that they wake up in "real" life. Just as when you die here you may wake up in another life. Look, there are all sorts of anecdotes, but EXPERTS have determined there is nothing you can't do.

LordReed:
And what of those who take nothing and have their illnesses resolve favorably? Ever heard of control groups where they give the group nothing and yet group members get favorable outcomes. You think it’s magic or some funky simulation jazz?

Nothing stays the same. Your headache will eventually go away even if you do nothing. You know fully well that's not what we are talking about. We are talking dramatic healing that srarts occuring once the "drug" has been administered

LordReed:
You typed website in the search bar and it gave you those results?

Now u are getting close. Don't type exactly website.
You'd eventually get the hang of it

HellVictorinho
LordReed

To me the greatest evidence for simulation is placebo effect. If reality were as we perceive it, something should not physicaly happen simply because you totally believe it will. But in our reality if someone believes placebo is real medicine scientists observe the "medication" physically working, curring them as if it were real!

LordReed:
Consider that people who experience NDEs are experiencing altered brain states either from anesthetics or trauma or even both.

Consider they were clinically dead, not NDE

LordReed:
You looked for what?

Website

HellVictorinho
LordReed

In considering wether our reality is totally real, consider the following:

People who have experienced the afterlife, have said that it compares to real life same way real life compares to a dream state - that all the senses are magnified, that it feels much more real than conscious reality,

HellVictorinho
LordReed

To me the greatest evidence for simulation is placebo effect. If reality were as we perceive it, something should not physicaly happen simply because you totally believe it will. But in our reality if someone believes placebo is real medicine scientists observe the "medication" physically working, curring them as it were real!

LordReed:
I guess it was you who built the website and wrote articles you screenshoted LMAO

I looked for it and found it - exactly same thing I told u to do

HellVictorinho:
How did you know they are smarter than me?


There's nothing like our reality let alone asking a stupid question like IS OUR REALITY REAL


You are just repeating things in vain like budaatum, Dtruthspeaker, Shadeyinka,etc



You present nothing worth memorising asking if I understand after concluding that there's no way of answering a stupid question as if it was ever meant to be answered


It's not even a rhetorical question.




Those philosophizing about the stupid question are just being dumb



I have told you what is impossible in a dream but you disagreed without any proof of such happening in a dream

What did you say is impossible in a dream? My bros this has been studied ad infinitum - there is NOTHING you can do in real life that you cannot do in a dream or even durring a false awakening

HellVictorinho:
There's nothing I can present because there's nothing you can accept



But I am sure that reality exists in ways to which there's no limit.


Reality was never set up by anyone in any specific way.

Relax.
People 100 times smarter than you have been philosophizing about this since forever and have determined there is no way to know for sure the true nature of our reality or if our reality is even real. Understand? NO WAY

LordReed:
Because you worked so very hard to get it. LMAO!

I wasn't handed a website

LordReed:
Attempt the visit first before you conclude. Why are you speaking for them did they tell you that's how they want to prove existence of the god? Besides your visit is to establish how to distinguish dream from reality, not to prove I exist.

People whose jobs are entirely to come up with a way have determined there is no way one can be sure one is not dreaming, so I know you are bragging

HellVictorinho:
You will not accept anything as a proof that you are not dreaming because you have concluded that it is impossible for me to determine what is real (the true nature of reality is the same as the real nature of reality so it is unnecessary to describe the nature of reality as real because it is impossible for it to be fake OR it is impossible for what is real to exist in a way that is fake so the nature of what is real has to be real)


You have also concluded that it is impossible for you to determine if Hell Victorinho is real because nothing can make you certain of Hell Victorinho's existence.



So,it's of no use presenting anything as a proof that Hell Victorinho is real.

From my perspective there is NOTHING you can present.
There are virtually trillions of ways our reality could have been set up. I think there is a reason it was set up this particular way - whereby there is no way you can be sure the true nature of reality plus you must sleep, and you must dream, etc.

LordReed:
Takes way more effort to attempt to decipher what website you posted a screenshot came from. I can't even do a reverse image search, I have to manually type in a whole string and start checking the results for the specific website you got it from. Much easier to paste 1 line of website link.

It'll be too easy and therefore you won't appreciate it. You'd appreciate it more and learn more if you worked for it

LordReed:
You can do better, it literally takes less effort to post the links than to screenshot specific parts.

It takes less effort for you to type thus than to Google

LordReed:
When you can physically come visit me I will start the process.

Visit someone that possibly doesn't exist?!
Ok, those people you want to prove existence of God, when you visit them they'll prove it to you

frank317:
Just want to ask... If u believe u know nothing, or nothing is real, this life might be a dream... The sun u see every freaking day, ur mom, siblings, ur pains, love and desire to live... Might all be a figment of ur imagination, why do u even make effort to live? Why do u plan or work towards a goal... Worst stll why are u arguing on this forum with people who might be robots or a dream.... Do u find pleasure in making people as confused as u are?

Somone said he doea not believe in God because there is not enough evidence for hia existence... And u say he shouldnt say so, since he cant know if God is real he should live a confused life, which u have yet start living because u are here trying to convince people to be certain they are confused.

Drop this argument, it makes u sound like a mental patient, if u know what that means.

I never said nothing is real, or life is dream. I said I don't know FOR SURE! I MAY BE WRONG!

I said I don't think I'm "dreaming", but I am NOT SURE!
I think there is a supernatural but I'm not sure.
I think there is some sort of simulation involved in our reality but it is in a way the human mind can't even begin to fathom. But, of course, as in everything, I could be wrong.
As for God, my problem is with people who say definitively there is no God because no one can prove his existences - when they can't prove to me they themselves really exist!