bukatyne: Biko, there are enough marginalized women on this thread to want to recruit me by force.
My parents especially my mother has invested too much in me for me to think I am marginalized.
And I have seen that around me.
DO NOT add ME to your marginalized women statistics.
Even women who believe men & women are not equal are breaking grounds daily doing whatever they like with their lives.
The irony is that you don't even realize you keep infantilizing women with your posts.
In this 21st Century free Nigeria that you can be whatever you desire, you are still saying there are systemic bla bla bla making women not to succeed.
In today's Nigeria?
If the women around you are like that, the women around me are not.
They set goals no matter how small or big and smash it.
It is also a fallacy to think that anything falls into any one's laps in this world. Of you want something, better be willing to work (negative or positive) for it.
Like Yorubas would say: > Eni ti a jeun gboingboin a ti lekun gboingboin.
> Ikoko to a je ata, idi e gbona.
Or if it is the Biblical version you want: The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.
To achieve ANYTHING in this life, you have to pay the price and work for it. The difference is that what I do to achieve A might not be what you do to achieve same.
There is nowhere in the world that equal outcomes ever occurred; and it will never happen.
Bros, nobody is talking about you in partucular. The question is wether women in general are marginalized in today's Nigeria (let me translate it for you: "Are women heavily underrepresented in major roles in Nigeria of today). The answer of course is a resounding YES! So that's settled: WOMEN ARE MARGINALIZED IN NIGERIA OF TODAY!!!
But beyond that, looking objectively, do you really think women have a fair shake in today's Nigerian society? Don't you think tradition, culture, etc put women in general in a position that's far too subservient to men? Don't you think there ought be an on-going struggle to change that a bit? I'd advice you and others to JOIN THAT STRUGGLE! That's the only way change occurs.
advanceDNA: , u are the one that should go and see the meaning of being marginalized.....your rant over this thread is baseless... ? u keep saying women are excluded from leadership roles, women are treated differently in families, they are not allowed to keep their names after wedding.....when we show u examples that counters your claim......u will jump back to marginalization being the topic..... u cant eat you cake and have it
Never mind all that - it is called small talk, shooting the breeze. Bottom line: WOMEN ARE MARGINALIZED IN NIGERIAN SOCIETY Now that you have agreed with that, no more discussion. QED. Ciao!
advanceDNA: U are the one saying nonsense...u have finally come out of ur hiding...so it's out leadership now
Women are not screaming Marginalization in other roles like plumbing, carpentry, mechanic, agbero, or is mc-oluomo not an agbero...
but when it comes to big roles, head of department, and presidency..that men had to fight to get...women are now claiming marginalization...
Sorry ..but please answer ...the men in those positions, did they get there for free just because they are men?? Answer please ... ...it's irritating that u women just want men to give up possitions everybody wants in the name of equality, crying that they are not represented are the people there non-humans.. are men from another planet...
There are more nurses everywhere, u don't hear men crying marginalization
U keep shouting culture and systemic bias...which culture in 2021...are there no example of women that are leaders because they to fought for it like other men....these examples of women already prove you wrong.... Women CEOs, women head of department that didn't wait for someone to give it to them ..that didn't let family hold them back, like some men don't allow family hold them back..
What we have are humans fighting to be leaders...weda man or woman it doesn't matter....but what feminist and bias people like u see is injustice and marginalization because some people are fighting harder for what they want....so the other people went there to play...I ask you...?? Did the men and other women wining go there to play...??
So it should no longer be by merit, persistence and resilience....positions should just be shared by gender ..
Buhari had to contest many times to win Oby Ezekwesili contested once and left...and went back to scream that women are not supported .
.it's irritating...so people can't have their choice to vote for men anymore without women crying that it's marginalization..
U are the one talking nonsense
Genius the topic is wether women are marginalized in Nigeria, not causes or solutions. First go and learn the definition of marginalization then come back and let's see you still say women are not marginalized. Ok?
Walkee: lol this one is just capping rubbish. When I gained admission into AAU, the VC was a woman, Dean of my faculty was a woman, librarian was a woman, my hod was a woman. So shut the fucck up biitch and stop crying.
With this been said, there's zero chance of women being as successful as men. The reason you have more men in high position is the same reason more men are rotting in prison, more men have died this morning falling from electric poles, getting crushed by a heavy object they're working with, drugs getting burst into their blood etc. A man has zero choice other than succeed. While a woman can demand a man take care of her. When I was 17 I was already working with old men constructing roads while my sisters bathe and paint their nails. While their boyfriends pay their bills. If you want political positions be ready to do all the dirty things both legal and illegal no man is going to relinquish his position for you.
Genius AAU is not Nigeria. The topic is wether women are marginalized in Nigeria, not causes or solutions. Go and learn the definition of marginalization then come back and apologize for your inane insults
bukatyne: I have seen your posts all over this thread:
@bold: What do you propose in practical terms?
THE PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD DO NOT KNOW THE DEFINITION OF MARGINALIZATION!! The topic of the thread is wether women are marginalized, not solutions or causes. The OP opined that they not. Which is of course nonsense. Women are in the periphery of major roles in Nigeria - which is the definition of Marginalization. Even Igbos are screaming marginalization, talkless of women!
bukatyne: I don't understand how the bold is not common sense.
I don't want to be the president of Nigeria (at least as at today).
I don't just want to be?
Or women don't have free will and all their actions must stem from marginalization
There is a groundwork that led to you not wanting to be president of Nigeria or be involved in things. If it is a one off thing - only you, cool. But if almost your whole group don't want to be involved, then the cause is systemic. Your group will end up in the periphery - which is the definition of marginalisation. Your group is marginalized by definition. You can't come out and be saying you are not marginalized. It makes no sense - a non sequitur, NONSENSE!
Logic200: Sir. This is not the point here.no one is arguing the fact that women take higher positions.the debate here is that we force women to abandon those position that are of choice to them.
My opinion is that women are not made for some certain things so pushing them to strive for it is to hamper the world we built.we made the law that women should compete in all position .this mean women are not actually going into them.and they complain we don't allow them...so we say "any woman that has been refused by a man against her will or group should come to the court and contest.but as usual they don't want to contest ,they want men to create the avenue for free with out competition. This is the stance
With all due respect, STOP ARGUING NONSENSE SIR!!! It is not choice. Nobody does not like a good thing! It is those things I mentioned (tradition, culture, society conditioning and expectations, the very structure of society, etc). And stop saying you are not forcing them. Marginalization doesn't have to involve force. A group that ends up in the periphery is marginalized regardless of how they got there. Now that you know definition of Marginalization STOP THE NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT!!!
njelrapheal: where are you data support your assertions. I mean dont use 1980 hinter land tradition to speak for the larger more enlightened community
advanceDNA: U call that data to back up your claims.. Dude...I don't mean to sound rude..but u don't know what data/evidence means...
Walkee: 1. Women aren't marginalised in Nigeria. Not even in the north. 2. A whiteman can never win an election in Nigeria, not even in his wildest dreams. A half caste sef can never win house of assembly seat in Nigeria. His opponent will simply go to the village and ask his people if they are going to elect a foreigner over their own son. A white man can't repeat such statements in a Caucasian society, he will called a racist and crucified.
You people should stop arguing NONSENSE. Look at all the public institutions in Nigeria, how many are headed by women? Look at all the high-end private and business institutions, how many are headed by women. Even places like Alaba market (below) where trillions are made everyday, how many women are involved in them? Is it because these things are too hard fir women to do ? NOO!! It is tradition, culture, societal conditioning and expectations, the very structure of society - those are what exclude them. Even within the tribes there are all sorts of taboos and rules that favor men.. The result of all this is MARGINALIZATION! YOU PEOPLE SHOULD STOP ARGUING NONSENSE!!!
Walkee: lol 1. It is absurd to compare race and gender. 2. Google are at the very forefront of promoting this gender narrative that's like asking Adamu Garba if sharia is good or bad.
Lastly, there are millions of blacks in good position. Good government positions sef. In fact blacks are even over represented in Caucasian societies. You hear Nigerians winning governorship positions in Canada, Sweden, mayors in the UK etc. How many whites can win elections in a black dominated society?
Here is dictionary definition of marginalization. You have to first accept that women are marginalized in Nigeria and Nigerian trubes before you start raising any other points. Of course a white person can easily win election in Nigeria
Godoverevery: See what you are saying and asking is for men to hand over power to women......we can't all be leaders is common sense.
Ofcos is Google....we have lot of woman pushing that agenda of marginalisation making it looks like is the men fault.
No two people can be truly equal....
If a woman wants to feel equal to her man and want equal say....she should woo him,provide shelter,cloth him,pay groom price and finance the wedding...then she has earn the right.
Very simple something.
You have seen the dictionary definition of marginalization. You have to first accept that they are MARGINALIZED before you start raising these other points!
advanceDNA: ....u dialogue with emotions..not objectively or with data.. ..when peoplee counter your opinion...u don't seem to have a countee comeback ...but u just want them to accept you say so without showing significant evidence..
You:Women are marginalized... Me: Show me significant proof..not isolated cases.. You: no, forget it..just accept it...it's the same thing with blacks and white
I just showed you what GOOGLE has to say about the affair. Google, not me.. What can be more objective than that??
advanceDNA: i should forget obvious facts...because it doesnt fit ur narrative..ok....i'll indulge you and your petty points
1...the right to propagate surname can be discussed between spouses.....the gorvenment ddnt make it rule, it started hundreds of years ago...may people dont even care about it...many people marry now without change of name..so i dont see how this is an issue killing women...women dont have to cry over this...
2...this is the 21st century oga....in the old days ..people wanted male children because they did more exploits in those days...now both genders fantastic...different people prefer different gender...i'd love to have a girl child... some people dont ..u cant demonize poeple for their choice.. people have their preference for different reasons,,,u cant hastily conclude what their reasons are for them...if i say all u have is fallacy now..u will say i dont know what fallacy is...
3...please u need to go to court once in while and see how divorce cases are judged...in fact judges rule infavour of the woman more than the men when it comes to child custody...so i dont what you mean by " her children being equally hers as her husband's"
4. oh u want the US law that a woman will commit adultry and still get to chase the man out the house to apply here in nigeria....fine... go to the US...95% men and women contribute to the mortgage payment, share bills...that's why most judges split things equally.....u think they are stupid in the US.... and the only reason women get the house is when they get custody of the child...the home goes to whoever wins the child custody, it could be the male.... Didnt Adele pay alimony and leave the house for her ex husband.....?? nigga...nigerian men dont chase responsible women out of the house....no sane man chases a good wife out....even if he built it all himself... all this chase out of the house point u are raising are isolated cases...please mention something else...
5. ...The reasons why there are more obstetrics and gynaecology men is same reason why there are more male neuro surgeons, more male cardiovascular surgeons and every other specialization of medicine.....it's resilience......men and women dont have the same risk and toughness appetite........the medical field is highly demanding right from the start....as you go up...women that are tough are consultants...
.go and look at the statistics of people that fail or change from medicine right from year one, two, and three,....its a fvcking tough field for both genders that are not resilient....but once more women are affected...its the mens fault, its society, its the system....please stop it...its pathetic..
my elder brother was in the residency program after service.. many doctors dont even get into residency......more than 80% of them had to do their exams four times..an exam thats about 500k twice a year... many gave up including men...u think its every doctor that becomes a consultant....but once women are affected u people call it marginalization because more men decided to toughen it up....
You know this is also what whites do about blacks. They'll tell you discrimination ended long ago and enumerate how blacks are even the ones favored. Yet you look at all the juicy positions and you hardly see any blacks. I asked Google for you. Below is what it says. Godoverevery u wanted Google. Here's more Google for you
advanceDNA: u are a educated for fvck sake....why the heck are u talking without examples ..u are just screaming marginalization...where is the data.. in advanced counries women dont collect full pay when they go on maternity leave if thyeve not worked for more 600hours...
here, they will take maternity and annual.. amd get their full pay as men... which company pays swomen less for the same role in nigeria.. which school prevent women from addmission.. which parastatal or agency did government say women cant head....
show me how women are deliberately significantly marginalized in 2021 that men dont have a fair share..
u talked about jobs like carpentry, plumbing...i told u women dont want to be represented in all these jobs, in fact if you offer them those jobs, they will call it an insult...they are on this forum as them if they want to be plumbers and carpenters.. .its about power, power they dont want to contest or compete for....if you cant see that......then u are just an ordinary cry baby like them
My friend forget all these retail stuff. The system itself, societal structure itself, is unfair to women (including traditions, customs, culture, expectations, conditioning, etc - which were of course set by the dominant sex). You may start the reformation by giving the female child EXACTLY the same rights as the male child in her father's house including the right to propagate her surname (like have all or some of her children bear her last name) - which is basically the only reason Nigerian parents prefer a male. After that you move to her children being equally hers as her husband's; then you move to her husband not having any right to ask her to move out of "his house", etc And why are most OB/GNY men?? What's your answer to that? They are not "wired" for nursing but they are wired to go into a woman's thing!
Godoverevery: That the problem choosing selectively... How about she tell her father not to accept bride price or anything from the man so she can have the right
That's exactly part of the societal structure that needs reforming: bride prices. How does it benefit the woman, how is it fair to her, and how is it her fault? The whole thing needs reforming. The system is not fair-
Godoverevery: The female are not be blamed.....but the men are to be blame for all this right
Reformed to what exactly because I don't understand.
Societal structure itself is to be blamed (including traditions, customs, culture, expectations, conditioning, etc - which were of course set by the dominant sex).. Reformed to what? You may start by giving the female child EXACTLY the same rights as the male child in her father's house including the right to propagate her surname (have all or some of her children bear her last name) - which is basically the only reason Nigerian parents prefer a male (if they must have only one child).
advanceDNA: I give up on you... U have no data or evidence to back your claims ...u people just used grammar like Marginalization, patriarchy, and all manner of English to make women look like victim...this is 2021 where women are CEO of banks, doctorss, lawyers, but because they are not in power they cry foul... Some people even add pay gap to it....Nigeria that pays women that go on live for 3months the same pay as men that work for 12months will still cry gender pay gap .. it's just funny...
Data my ass. You are beating about the bush. The question is marginalization. Women in Nigeria are marginalized in all sorts of ways. If men and women were two different tribes in Nigeria, will there be any question that one tribe is marginalized?? Do you even have to look hard to see it?
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“It comes from a sense of justice. People have needlessly lost their freedoms. But everything the government says is widely reported in the media. You can hardly find any other information.” Kuit says he receives about 600 to 700 e-mails and 80 telephone calls a day from people who have the same concerns about the government’s lack of transparency. According to Kuit, the government “cannot provide any scientific substantiation”.
The committee has examined the proportionality of the policy and measures with regard to Covid-19 and also investigates whether the government is complying with the law. To this end, the committee hears experts such as doctors, scientists, lawyers and professors, who focus on the following question:
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The interviews with experts are public, filmed and streamed. A written report is made of the information sessions. Interim reports and ultimately a final report with findings and conclusions are drawn up which are presented to the House of Representatives and all relevant social authorities such as youth care, trade unions and the National Ombudsman.
Right of Parliamentary Inquiry The House of Representatives can independently conduct research into policy and projects and have that research carried out by MPs. Several instruments can be used for this. The most efficient means is research based on the Parliamentary Inquiry Act. Since 2016, the House of Representatives has also been able to hold a parliamentary inquiry.
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The BPOC2020 is convinced that the Dutch government is aware of the deaths and serious cases of health damage that have occurred and still occur daily after vaccination.
However, the government does not wish to take cognizance of the reports. Lareb is also silent about the investigation into the reports that have been received at the center.
This has been the reason for the Committee to hand over all its evidence regarding the deaths and serious vaccine injuries reported to the International Criminal Court for investigation. The BPOC2020 also handed over the interview reports of its visit to the Ministry of Health and visit to the Lareb to the ICC. It is not yet clear what will happen to the evidence.
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Keep posting nonsense, meanwhile science has just about defeated the virus. As you keep waiting for vaccinated to all die, things are getting back to normal in highly vaccinated countries, while at same time other possible cures are comming on board. See below.
Krismas: Food don land for Mr agent of darkness! Even without checking ur MISLEADING attachments it’s very clear it’s all rigged. Chk https://www.nairaland.com/6800944/covid-19-update-october-12-2021 On 12 Oct. about 175 infection, and over 300 treated. Pls wot are they using for treatments? High chief Raymond Dopesi said wen he was hospitalized for Covid, the medication he got was Chloroquine. Or is it only sub Saharan Africa chloroquine stand effective for Covid?
By "treated" they mean managed not as in "cure". Even a conspiracy mumu like you should know that there is currently no cure for covid. There are anecdotal evidence that chloroquine has some effect, which is why Trump was so.much for it. But it doesn't stand up under double blind controlled scientific testing.
Okay nothing, the truth is that Nigerian society is lopsided and women are very much marginalized in all sorts of ways. You can even throw your wife out of your both house, the kids are yours not hers. KUDOS TO THOSE FIGHTING TO CORRECT IT A BIT.
Favfables: Before you draw hasty conclusions about what you're not sure of, go back and see how my conversation with cousin9999 got to this point...
When you're done, then maybe I'll spare you some time until then, stay off my mention
The old "stay off my mention" - mark of a loser: knowing full well u can't make anyone stay off your mention. I don't have to see any conversation. WOMEN ARE MARGINALIZED IN NIGERIA!!! Even a blind person can see that.
Its very important you give birth on time. That allows your young body to mentally and physically adjust to the endless hormonal changes that follow post partum.
What does mental adjustment have to do with youth? Infact it's the opposite - the more mature, the better able to adjust
So? Men can and do do patient care just as good as women. If it were by nature of job, the OBG/YN goes right into a woman's private part. Why are most of them men??
Favfables: Oga you're just making excuses for mediocrity...
You think the society doesn't have expectations on the males?? And who makes up the society by the way?? Is it not male and female?? And why would you allow societal expectations define your life?? The path to success is accessible to both males and females...
Yes people look down on females in certain careers but just because people look down on them doesn't mean they should give up...
The females who went on to achieve greatness do they have two heads?? Some of them even came from very poor homes, yet they went on to do great things, why?? Because they kept pushing!!!!
Greatness is not tied to a particular sex, if you work towards greatness, you'll get there as long as you don't give up...
Lots of females are not successful, not because of marginalization, but because they lack the tenacity to perservere...
Oga you are beating about the bush. The question is marginalization. If men and women were two different tribes in Nigeria, will there be any question that one tribe is marginalized?? Do you have to look very hard to see it?
angelfallz: There is no need going back and forth with you. I gave you a list names you claimed they're the exceptions. Now you want more names? Guy go and Google it. The fact is nothing is stopping any hard-working woman from achieving her dreams and goals in Nigeria, the same applies to a man. Stop carry victim hood mentality. It would not take you anywhere.
You are beating about the bush. The question is marginalization. If men and women were two different tribes in Nigeria, will there be any question that one tribe is marginalized?
Family › Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by FreeIgboho: 4:17pm On Oct 14, 2021
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