₦airaland Forum

WeNigerDelta:
Bros I understand you. If my people were constantly accused of trying to dominate others I'll definitely feel some type of way as well...

But it shocks me that you guys that have been on the receiving end of "Lagos, Ibadan express journalism" like y'all tag it. Don't even try to understand what that has done to those that are non Igbos...

We were taught in schools that an Igbo soldier went to war because his junior in rank was president. On top of that the older ones, talk about the invasion of the Midwest by the Biafran soldiers. Imagine if this is what you've been told about a group of people for almost 50years, do you think you'll easily be receptive to them?

Our people have nothing against the Igbo l, we go to school in Igbo land more than anywhere else and we enjoy it.
You guys have to remember that we like a woman trying to get out of an abusive relationship and all we've heard about a man is he's just been waiting for his time to inflict his abuse and everything else Na wash...That's how we see it and even in that we acknowledge the truths of Kanu's message...

We are terrified of being abused again, not about no Igbo domination. This time by someone everybody has warned them about for almost 50years. And the feeling some have is if you cannot alay our fears with a simple name change that carries all of us along. How will you fare in larger issues...

I preach to my people a lot about secession, they are all for it. Just want to feel they won't be abused again and majority believe a name change that encompasses everyone will be a step in that direction to show u don't care about the crap they keep spouting...

We all know the benefits of a nation together with the Igbos, I especially. We would like to invest our oil money in the China of Africa and together we can do amazing things. But you need to understand my people's fears and the reasoning behind it. Maybe then u can know how to better tackle it.. There is a reason a smart Kanu wants us all together and I can see it also...

That bolded line really touched me. I totally understand what you are saying. My older brother's wife went through some abusive relationship before she met him. Because of it, she tends to have trust issues sometimes with him and others that mean no harm to her.

ificatchmodeh:
Word!
But guess it will be difficult for them..considering au far..they've come..if only they can negotiate properly..along interest.

Biafra proposes a form of government where each province will have total control of her resources and only contribute to the centre.
In Biafra, smaller groups like Oron, Eket, Andoni can unite and have their own province with full resource control and pay tax to the central government.

There won't be any land use decree.IPOB had stressed on this times without number. Even Ojukwu Biafra was divided into provinces,with non Igbo speaking tribes having their own distinct provinces with indigenous administrators. You need nobody to checkmate Igbos under such arrangement.

And moreover, naturally, Igbos exist in clans that do checkmate each other, there have never in history been a period when Igbo groups United to conquer a non Igbo speaking people.


This was posted by Pazienza when similar issue was raised in a different thread last week. He captured my point better than I could.

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WeNigerDelta:
This is why sometimes having a sincere conversation about this secession is hard with you guys. What ever the history about how the name came about doesn't change the fact that the Igbo nation went to war in that name.

First we really don't care about anybody dominating us in the true sense. How many other cities are there in Nigeria with a market name "Igbo market".
If you don't care about the rest of the ND, then what was the point of this thread?
Also this is not a sentiment shared only in Delta, it can be found in Akwa, Cross and Rivers people as well. Mere brushing it aside or saying it's not true won't do you any favors.

I am all for us going our way and you guys go your way. But in Kanu's message from jail he included all of Delta including the riverine areas. I'm telling you the truth about my people and how to get them on board and all you are doing is dismiss it flippantly..

Like I said earlier I understand the sacrifices the Igbo's have made for the name Biafra. But the rest of us didn't, and since Nnamdi Kanu is including us in new one, respecting our identity is also very important.

My suggestion if Nnamdi wants the nation he dreams of and talk about. A new name with nations divided based on ethnic nationalities instead of states. Biafra can encompass the entire Igbo nation, so also there could be Ibibio nation and so on..

If you don't want the nation of Kanu's dreams. Me and my people are more that super happy go our own way like it was pre colonial times. We have no problem with that.

I just gave an advice on how to cajoule my people, that's all.

If you have been on this forum long enough, you will understand why I responded the way I did. I meant no disrespect to you or to anyone. I am just facing the reality as I see it. In my old moniker before I was banned I have always advocated for minority rights in Nigeria. But the constant accusations of Igbo trying to dominate and steal land and oil has made me decide to just worry about Igbo only Biafra.


Wenigerdelta, my conscience is the reason why I opened this thread. Oil value is fast depreciating. What will niger deltans have left to develop their land. Nigerian government is thinking about squeezing the last drop of oil money before they abandon ship. They are also looking for alternatives from niger republic.

WeNigerDelta:
The answer is No. Majority of us know and accept this as the truth.
The problem that most of the people in my region have is the name "Biafra", it's been synonymous to the Igbo nations struggle nationally and internationally. They believe joining that will make them loose their identity. Since everyone would think of Igbo first when they hear Biafra.

That's the salient truth. We understand the sacrifices y'all have made in that name. And sometimes it's strikes me as unfair to suggest a name change. My opinion is the Biafra nation should be part of a Lower Niger or whatever name is decided.
If you guys truly want to quench the fear of alleged Igbo domination in "the new nation" then changing the name to one that encompasses all our struggle shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Change the name and continue speaking the truth like Kanu has being doing. And watch my people give their all for the struggle to divide this nation.

Just my 2 cents...

The name Biafra was given to us by an illustrious Ijaw son. It was named after the bight of Biafra which was changed to the bight of Benin after the uncivil war.

Millions have died and given their lives under that name. It will be a great dishonor to them to change it.

Finally if Igbo domination is the fear that you have for Biafra. That is fine and I prefer you and the rest of niger deltans like you form your own country. I and so many other igbos prefer an Igbo only Biafra. You can check my history. I don't agree with IPOB including other non-Igbo groups in Biafra.

Yyeske:
Let the so called niger deltans explain how they spent the money given to them in the past.

13% allocations
NDDC
Ministry of Niger Delta
FEC allocations and a host of others.

Most still own workers, huge debts, virtually no infrastructure and most of them are lazy.

After funding your militants and corrupt leaders from deve touts to your governors and you realize nothing left you now want more, una never ready.

If you have a mango tree in your backyard and I come take all the mangos and only give you 13% of your mangoes while constantly treathening you that I will take it away and you should consider yourself lucky for even getting the amount you are getting.

How would you feel?

I will personally cut down that tree if it was me.

bolanto24:
This question is hard. I as a Niger Deltan am feed up of this resource control issue. For decades we've been asking for this to no avail.

I'm for One Nigeria but one born out of fairness, justice and equity. Our elders have really failed us.

What we need now is a referendum to vote for separation from Nigeria. Whatever name, weather biafra or whatever.

Anything is better than this shit hole of a country.

Whatever the price we must pay it for posterity sake.

Freedom they say is not free.

I understand your frustration. The problem and mistake is that a lot of niger deltans think that they can get fairness from Nigeria when in reality they are angry with the little 13% you get and looking for ways to get rid of it.

The silence is revealing as expected.

if the title of this thread was "Niger deltans will never support Biafra", all of a sudden, the "we niger deltans " and everyone else will come out from no where and start spewing hate.

Once again will Niger deltans ever get their resource control? explain when and how.

BUMP

Will Nigeria ever give Niger deltans the resource control that they have been asking for decades?

zendy:
Dreamer

To get resource control, you have to change the contitution, to change the contitution you need 2 thirds majority vote in the National Assembly. Even if the entire south and the North central voted at the National Assembly for resource control, they still will not be able to get 2 thirds majority vote needes to carry it through

Here lies the problem

galeiiTNA:
Yes. When the Niger Delta lawmakers partner with the south east lawmakers to take everything that should rightfully theirs back to their regions. These includes not just oil resource control but also oil company corporate offices in Lagos, Nollywood, Seaports should be built in Warri, Port Harcourt and Anambra, etc. The North Central should be cajoled to come on board too cos the region is also short changed. They need things too and with this 3 zones working together, equity will be restored in Nigeria

Sound good But the north will always have the majority in the house and senate because of the inflated population and representation. How do you convince them to support these things when the current system benefits them?

zendy:
There is no one called 'Niger Deltan'. Nigeria is made up of tribes, not ficticious geopolitical zones.

Nigeria is not going to give anyone resource control. Resource control does not favour the North and they are willing to fight another war to make sure resource control never returns. They also have the numerical advantage in the National Assembly to make sure that any law on resource control doesnt see the light of day.

So to answer your question, as long as Northern Nigeria is part of Nigeria, resource control can never happen.

Zendy, the reason I use niger deltans is because a lot of them that strongly advocate for Nigeria here always say " we niger deltans just want resource control". That's why I call them what they say that they are. Simple.

Niger deltans for the most part are peace loving people by nature and have a laid back lifestyle. They have sacrificed their land and resources to build this contraption called Nigeria.

My question is simple: Will Nigeria ever give them the resource control that they have been asking for decades?

If you say No, click Like and explain.

If you say yes, click share and explain

ofeoilly:
lalasticlala u have not fp the initial declaration by amnesty international. this thread have been threading for 3 days now.

Look at how the mods and their allies are treating this news and yet I am supposed to live with this people in one country. Ok then let's continue. We shall see how it turns out.

Xflint:
the yoruba man sey mey una no dey tok biafra for im forum. Pls leave am

So to you it's okay to kill anyone that doesn't want fake one Nigeria?

The chicken have come home to roost.

May the innocent blood of those protesters whom some people here on nairaland were cheering over their death avenge for them. I believe in karma.

This is the time when these so called minorities should be uniting to fight for their resource control but their short-sightedness in everything they do is affecting them.

If your rejection of Biafra and full acceptance of one Nigeria will ever make sense, then you all must unite to fight for resource control.

This is why Nigeria doesn't takes niger delta republic or resource control demand serious. Nigeria is a nation created to exploit and they will continue to do what they do best because of the glaring divisions that they see amoung you south-south people.

thedarkside:
the problem i have with biafra is that,if we deceide to realy push on with the biafra plans,our buy and sell power would be much less..

it will not be enough to compete with global-powers...

we will just be another powerless nation...and be toys for others...

in nigeria we have much more power with a fierce army that western nations fear...

Delusional

pazienza:
Bia, what is the meaning of that useless map you just presented here?

Can't you guys learn for once?

They never learn. It's sad to watch.

Justdulla:
Why do yoh have to be so daft to criticize?? why cant you maintain decorum, you start by saying i make no sense... i wont waste a text on you.. you aint mentally mature.

Please read what you wrote again. I read it 3 times and the logic makes no sense.

Justdulla:
If we divided we certainly go a become another sudan trust me... The hate that will brew when we are apart will be so enormous that we might plunge into war. We are already used to one another thats why its better u ited we stand. Divided doesnt profit anyone trust me

Lol. Are you serious. Come up with a better fear tactics. This one you came with makes no sense.

MyGeneration:
So we shud not provoke d north because they re sent from heaven y they keep provoking us everyday nd rubbing it on our face just because they hv d military on der side.
If Nigerianss hv dx tolerance nd reasoning nd sympathy nd patience as they hv with northerners with igbos too Nigeria wud be a better place.
Igbos that for once hv never engaged in any communual clash btw dem and der host, is d people dat every singl day one cursed people from the west wud be spillimg rubbish abt everyday.

My brother, Its sad we have to share a country with evil and hateful devils whose only mission in life is to see us subjugated. They are more worried about igbos than they are worried about the welfare of their own people.

thedarkside:
nobody cares if you own the ol joint...

but,biafra is a absolut no,no...

That's fine with me as long as we capture Lagos they way the Fulanis captured kwara. One day you guys will be begging us to go and create Biafra and we will refuse since we already own your land. Continue screaming one Nigeria.

thedarkside:
hubris...if the northerners start kicking your heads in again,their is nothing you could do about it...

you will still need the nigerian police and army to save your sorry buttts...forget foreighn nations coming to your aid...kanu lied to you...

their is no army other than the nigerian army coming to your aid.. stop dreaming...

Afonja don't worry. Keep inciting violence between Hausa and igbos but as long as your one Nigeria remains, we will continue to capture Lagos one plot of land at a time. Your children and grand children will wake up to an Igbo owned Lagos. Continue screaming one Nigeria.

thedarkside:
its crazy...you can surely see they are trying to create confusion...

i dont know any hausa that ever mentioned arewa..

but i know many igbos that talk of biafra..

its better they are careful,not that the northerners start another progrom on them again..

we know how ruthless northerners are..they dont forgive so easily...better dont start silly games with them..

Start another progrom then. We are waiting patiently. You think this is 1966? Please start it today and see if any Hausa person will make it out alive in the east.

dienlmods:
Since igbos doesn't get it, why can't yoruba, and hausa/fulani that got it secede and leave igbos behind? That is they question...

Good question

greenermodels:
countless revolutions and secessions have succeded and are still succeeding against united armies talkless of a highly divided army, a Northerner named major Gideon orkar tried to excise the north east and north west from the rest of Nigeria, that tells you that the northerners in the army can never figure for one Nigeria with a common resolve.

Don't worry his eyes will open soon. He doesn't understand how divided Nigerian military is. The same military soldiers within it tip off boko haram on when to attack. The same military that ND avengers have planted some agents in. The same military that openly claimed that they cannot operate at night. The same military where food rations come once every 3 days. He is delusional.

QuotaSystem:
Read the response again.

Secession is for the weak, and your kinsmen will be the ones that will campaign for one Nigeria in order to protect their investments and access to markets.

Igbos are the definition of strength. It takes brave man to go against the grain and stand his ground against all odds. That is what igbos have always done and will continue to do.

mightyhazel:
lol! U returned from nigeria to where? Sokoto?

Igbo investments are increasing everywhere,not just in sokoto,so don't let dat daze u. Go to ivory coast and other african countries and see wot igbo guyz r doin dere. Don't always make it look like igbos rush to north 2 look for daily bread because they don't hav choices. Lorry and cattle truck loads of hausa fulani boys land at the bridge head on a daily basis from the north.
Like wise 2 many other states of the south to do menial jobs like clearing refuse dumps and gutters and carrying heavy loads with barrows in market places.

I was shocked that some of those northerners speak fluent Igbo while begging for money.

dienlmods:
Why don't you islamist want to separate from the infidel igbos? Why do you still love to be in the same country with such people as indigbo?

Mind you, hausa fulani, are not stronger, just that the afonja yorubas, due to their diabolical nature always support your evil people against the igbos...

Can you or anyone name one country in planet earth where Islamist are fighting so hard to remain in union with infidels. This is the irony of one Nigeria.

gidgiddy:
That is where you see hypocrisy in its true form. Should Hausa/Fulani decide to pull out of Nigeria along with other minorities who are comfortable with them, not one person in the South will raise any objection, including those in the West who like to shout 'one Nigeria'

But if Igbos talk about pulling out of Nigeria with the minorities comfortable with going with them, thats when everyone will want to bring the house down.

Another thing is this ridiculous aguement that Igbos have too much investments in the North to ever let them go. If there is Biafra tomorrow, Igbos will even increase investment in the North. Investing in an area does not mean political unity with that area. It just means business

Even Jewish people have more investment worldwide than they have in Israel. Does that mean that they rather remain in Europe than get the state of Israel?