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Maynmann:
Where in the “scripture” did it say that “Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.“

The Bible never said so, but it is implied and confirmed by our knowledge of the spirit realm.

Maynmann:
Yes it did, that action is called “contraction”, after he moved on the faces of the water, he said let there he light and he seperated light from darkness,
The darkness was on the face of what, if he is to separate darkness from light,, on which basis did he do that? The deep

I think that's your own interpretation.

God does not do anything without His Spirit. God's Spirit and God's Word are the two instruments of His creativity. There's nothing to support the saying that God created the earth and skies from water.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're contradicting God's word because Adam is dead due to his disobedience and he's dead completely! Genesis 3:19

Have you been dead to know that Adam does not exist in the spirit form? There's no contradiction here.

All who died from Adam are translated. Or do you mean all the prophets like Moses, Elijah, etc are all completely dead? Did Jesus not speak with Moses and Elijah on the mountain of transfiguration? Did the parable of the rich man not see Abraham and Lazarus in heaven?

The pre-adamic man was neither promised heaven or hell. Infact, up till the New testament was given, neither heaven nor hell were promised. The only punishment for wicked people was physical punishment. Jesus had to descend into Hades when He died for 3 days to preach to the dead souls that were in prison.

1Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"

Maynmann:
Yes it was, the first thing your god did was to move on the face of the water, that action created light.

The action didn't create light. God had to call light into being. He said 'Let there be light.'

Maynmann:
Then your god is not omnipotent.
He created a stone he can’t lift, or rather “made”.

There's nowhere in scripture that says God cannot kill spirits. We know that spirits are immortal. They can't die. That's what God desires.

MaxInDHouse:
Did any verse mention "DEMONS" as humans who disembodied?

According to God's word dead is the end of human life!

Demons have no human life. Dead is the end of terrestrial life. Humans continue to exist as spirits.

Maynmann:
Where did he make the “heaven” from?

Hope you know genesis 1:1 said heavenS in plural and it means Skies,as you said.

The Bible didn't tell us about the begining. It only told us that there was a beginning. The activities of God in that beginning was not given to us but there are scriptures that makes us know that God commanded everything into being at once. He created them by His word through His Spirit. Psalm 104:30.

Maynmann:
Who created the deep water that was used to create heaven and earth?

The deep water was not used to create heaven and earth.

Maynmann:
Your omnipotent god that created them can’t even kill them again 😂

Yes. He created them to be indestructible. Even human beings also are indestructible.

MaxInDHouse:
For the highlighted please quote God's word to back it up!

The OP already quoted from Jeremiah and Peter.

Maynmann:
It is you that don’t understand the “bible” you are reading.
Genesis 1:1 is only a Recap of what happened in genesis 1:8 and 1:10.

Your god created earth and heaven from the formless and void deep.

The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, planet earth was never created in genesis 1:1, so which planet was created perfect?

No. It wasn't. Genesis 1:8 to 10 is talking about God making the skies, etc. Not about God creating the skies. There's a slice difference between creating and making.

Maynmann:
What verse were they created as men on earth.
What verse where they disembodied after destruction.
What did your god need angels for


The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, both heaven and earth were made from the formless and void deep water.

The only person that made the earth formless and void again was your god in noah days.

This is completely contrary to the Bibles position.

The Bible didn't tell us much about the preadamic era. The focus of the Bible is the present Adamic era. There are only clues about the previous era which are pointed out in the OP.

MaxInDHouse:
Lie!

The only intelligent beings God purposed to be here are humans that's why he said:
"Have in subjection all the creatures on this planet" Genesis 1:27-28
So other intelligent beings came here on their own AGAINST GOD'S WILL!

It seems you don't understand the OP. Please read the post again.

Demons were men on earth before the earth became formless and void. Their iniquities made God destroy the earth and got them disembodied before God decided to renew the earth and create a new specie of human beings in Adam.

Maynmann:
Why did your god create angels and demons?, for what purpose?
And how did they exist before adam and eve.

God didn't create them as demons. He created them as men on earth. They became disembodied when they were destroyed. They're demons in their current state but that was not how they were created.

According to the OP, demons are men who inhabited the earth before it became formless and void.

Angels are created as messengers of God.

LegalWolf:
So how does the meaning of Samaritan according to them tie to Samaria?

We're not talking about meaning. Our attention is on the term.

By the way, if according to the Samaritans, the word Samaritan means keeper or observer of the Torah, don't you think it also exposes the lies?

There was no Torah at the time of the event painted in the Quran. Infact, Moses had just come from the mountain where he went to receive the tablets containing the 10 commandments which he immediately destroyed at the sight of the golden calf the people were worshipping. Hence the term 'Samaritan' was still not in existent.

We're concerned about the term. Where did Moses hear it from. The term didn't exist until the days of Omri.

Maynmann:
Earth and heaven were created at the same time, so where was satan and the fallen angels before heaven was created?

Their initial abode was heaven. I don't think they would have existed before heaven was created.

MaxInDHouse:
If God gave the earth to the sons of men where were the demons at the time God gave the earth to the sons of men?

They were on earth now. They've been disembodied. Fallen angels and Satan were also on earth but God gave the earth to the sons of men.

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz,

Now it is for you to tell us between the English meaning and Samaritan meaning of 'Samaritan', which are we to choose.

Now over to you.

cc: FxMasterz

I'm ready to chose any of the meanings that suits you. Both meanings are acceptable for this argument.

LegalWolf:
Well, that’s the English meaning. What Samaritan means according to Hebrew is Observer of the Torah.

Okay, I'll agree.

Now what point are you making?

LegalWolf:
Uncle, what is the meaning of Samaritan. Short and simple - all these nonsense explanation is not important. You claimed I ran away from your mention, insinuating the superiority of your argument. Please frigging tell us the meaning of Samaritan, simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: how can something so simple be this choking for you and the future thief TenQ

cc: sirtee15

See the dictionary meaning of the word in the screenshot below.

Now, over to you.

LegalWolf:
LOL - you over estimate yourself



This again is preposterous and stems for your lack of knowledge. Was the prophet (pbuh) referring to Samaritan as a people or the origin of their name? Let me bring an example close home. It is agreed that the name Yoruba is an exonym, given to southwestern folks by the Hausawa. Does that imply that the Yoruba's do not exist as a group before the Hausa gave that name?



What is the meaning of the term of the word Samaritan. That is the friggin question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



This typically ends the argument and resolves in it in our favour



Uncle, all these your shalaye is unnecessary. Tell us the meaning of the word Samaritan and that saves us this useless bullshit explanation



Please refer to the above.

And one thing comes to mind - it is just like saying that the early Israelites are 'people who are a native or citizen of the Kingdom of Israel' like the future thief TenQ would want us to have it. Is that a correct proposition to make, Mr FxMasterz

cc: future thief TenQ FxMaster sirtee15

I don't think you're getting the point of the argument. Or, perhaps, you're deliberately trying to derail the discussion.

Mohammed clearly indicated that Moses referred to someone in his entourage as a Samaritan. The word 'Samaritan' had not being coined in Moses' time. Where did Moses get the word from? The root for the word 'Samaritan' was coined by Omri who lived about 1,300yrs after Moses.

Maynmann:
There is ground in other planets.

Yes. But the attention here is on only one ground which is earth.

Maynmann:
Ground.

Yes now. That's what the OP said.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible there was no pre-adamic race on planet earth! Psalm 115:16

Psalm 115:16 says "The heavens belong to the Lord but the earth He has given to the sons of men."

Can you explain how that verse says there was no pre-adamic race?

MaxInDHouse:
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

Please where were demons at that time?
Because demons are intelligent beings not animals living on instinct!


He is saying Adam and Eve weren't the first intelligent beings on planet earth so that's my major concern!

I don't understand what you're talking about. I don't think you understand the OP.

Techobeys:
I really don’t know if many of you are Christians but I know you don’t believe in God even if you’re Christians.

This is imagination and not true, you and your kinds go around with interest picking tables to confuse those do not understand the truth.

It’s sad that you’re believe this, I hope you find Christ someday.

But he backed it up with scriptures. Please tell us what you think to be the truth.

Maynmann:
this one thinks the “earth” in Genesis is talking about planet earth 😂

What was it talking about?

MaxInDHouse:
Demons are fallen angels!

The Bible said:

"in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1

You can't quote the Bible against itself there were no intelligent beings on this planet before God created Adam and Eve in His image (intelligent beings) Genesis 1:26-28

So if you're presenting your fallacy leave the Bible out of it because it's clearly stated that the first intelligent beings ever on this planet were Adam and Eve!

Abeg quote the scriptures that says Adam and Eve were the first intelligent beings.

He didn't quote the Bible against itself. God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning according to the OP.

LordIsaac:
Why didn't the water in your postulation kill the demons since the motive was to destroy the pre-adamic beings?

Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.

The Word of God exposes their secret sins. They get angry as a result. Most people in the congregation usually assume someone has reported them to the pastor, not knowing that the pastor knows nothing. He's just saying the things put into his heart by the Holy Ghost.

delkuf:
Anytime I come to nl and see how ppl are slandering and say bad things about God and Christianity, I always thank God for those days God took me through the pain of teaching and grooming me. Though it wasn't easy then because I was naive and I knew little. It was like a mother controlling a child. Now I cherish those moments. I thank God that God helped me learn. So this is how I will be confuse like kobojunkies. If I could relish those days, I will be more patient and learn more. God thank you for the journey of grooming and teaching me to become who I am today.

There are even more confused people than kobojunkie on this forum. Some more confused ones who were once church-goers became Atheists. Thank God for you life. Except God Himself teaches a man, man can't learn God.

FxMasterz:
You're trying to dodge a fatal bullet. I can bring it closer so that you'll have no place to hide.

The time the term Samaritan came into existence is the most important part of this argument because that's the only thing that can validate or invalidate Mohammed's story.

It was Omri who coined the word 'Samaria' when he named a place after the previous owner of the place 'Shemer'. The Samaritans themselves agree that that Omri founded Samaria.

Now, let's agree that Samaritans existed before Omri but then, they were never referred to as Samaritans until that area became their abode. They started answering to the name Samaritan only after Omri called their land Samaria.

Let's agree that an ancestor of the Samaritans was with Moses when they were coming from Egypt. He would never have borne the name 'Samaritan' until the nation of Israel had been founded and a settlement called Samaria has been given to him.

How come Moses referred to a person as Samaritan even when Israel was yet to become a nation, let alone carving out a settlement called Samaria? This is even more problematic as the Samaritans themselves, according to their tradition confirmed that they're descended from northern Israel. There was no northern or southern Israel in Moses days.

Legalwolf. Come and respond.