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MaxInDHouse:
Yet members follow racists and politicians to kill one another during conflicts and wars what a fine example? Revelations 6:3-4

Can you prove this?

NO!
Because we only pray and worship with our own members showing you all that we are no part of you people! John 17:14

All church denominations do the same but maintain unity with other Christians. The Mormons, the Adventists and other various sects also do the same without uniting with other Christians.

MaxInDHouse:
The same line of thought that they must never ever raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe just as their Master taught them.
So if any religion can't hold on to this such a religion doesn't have the same line of thought with Paul and other Apostles!

The churches preach the unconditional love of Christ.

As long as all of you claim you believe in God ọmọ it's DENOMINATIONS with different opinions joh!

You're part of the denominations with a different opinion.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree with Paul who said all his fellow believers must have the same line of thought as he does?

The same line of thought as the Scriptures.

Do you agree that sacred services rendered by members of different religions like Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists, Judaists and many more are all approved by your god?

I disagree.

You must be mistaken.

My God approves only services done through the help of His Holy Ghost whom He has given unto those who are His.

MaxInDHouse:
Despite that, the solid foundation of God remains standing, having this seal, “Jehovah knows those who belong to him,” and, “Let everyone calling on the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness.” 2Timothy 2:19

Here Paul is talking to Timothy he is not in support of different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they're worshipers of the same God here is what Paul said about contradictions in your religions:

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1Corinthians 1:10

Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:5-6

earnestly endeavoring to maintain the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. Ephesians 4:3

make my joy full by being of the same mind and having the same love, being completely united, having the one thought in mind. Philippians 2:2

So Paul wasn't referring to different religions claiming they're Christians rather he sent the letter to his brother Timothy to remember that within the congregation of God the Almighty knows those who are rightly disposed!

Very unnecessary talk. You do not realize that you and your groups are one of those agents of decision.

This scripture reiterates the fact that God deals with people individually and not as a group. There are several Scriptures like this. I'll be ready to teach you if you're ready to learn.

Groups have no records in paradise. The Book of Life does not contain the name of any group but rather the names of individuals according as they have walked righteously with God.

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you quote words but can't put the book, chapter and verse?

Nah so them teach you for your own church?

So, you know it has chapter and verse? That means you know the Words are from the Bible.

But I trust you, you'll ignore, deny and turn your face against the word of God to uphold the lies you have been taught.

The Scripture is 2 Timothy 2:19.

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

MaxInDHouse:
So some people are presently worshiping your god in different religions yet they are contradicting themselves in teachings and conflictings, shey?

That your god must be a confusionist o!

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

MaxInDHouse:
Oya mention the group that's fulfilling Christ's prophecy about true worshipers!
Àbí it's only the group that's fulfilling prophecies about false prophets and fake worshipers alone you
know?
Come on Christ said a lot about how we can IDENTIFY the GROUP that's PRACTICING what he taught nah!

True worshippers are not specific groups. They're individuals dispersed among many groups. God relates with us individually and not as groups.

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Can you notice the word 'every one'? You hammer on groups as a mark of your scriptural ignorance.

Can you point me to a scripture where God says He's looking for specific groups on earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ to all faithless people any gathering that is talking about someone in the spirit realms is a cult so stop deceiving yourself as long as you join any form of worship freethinkers, agnostics and atheists will call you a cultist.
So where you are fulfilling what Jesus said about enemies of the one and only true religion is you calling a group of faithful people a cult simply because they refused to acknowledge you as a worshiper of their God!

You're the one fulfilling the prophesy of Christ about false prophets and fake worshippers.

Fibonacci88:
Isreal that has opened its airspace and ppl have started going about their normal business. 99% of those projectiles fired failed in teir mission. Better comot for that telegram group wey dey feed u with nonsense.

Please what's the telegram channel you use for news?

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what Jesus said you people will say about us:

"A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

You people called our Master, Lord and King a demon possessed {Luke 11:15} because he said he's the only way to God {John 14:6} our joy is made full when you accuse us of being a cult for telling you the same thing {Matthew 5:11-12} so no matter what you think say or do we are not shaken! Matthew 10:26-28

You're the one who said it about yourself. Even Columbia Columbia would say the same thing too and quote the same scriptures. The fact remains that if you're not a follower of Christ, and you claim Christianity, you're a cult.

MaxInDHouse:
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are my fellow believers so when it comes to how we ought to do things we all submit to the Governing Body who are taking the lead among us {Hebrews 13:7} oya mention those leading your so called "CHRISTIANS"

NO!
We are not a denomination of Christendom that's why we will not welcome you as fellow believers nor pray with you! 2John 10-11

In short, you don't believe in Jesus.

It means you're indeed a cult!

MaxInDHouse:
The first highlighted shows you are spiritually blind because whatever makes you say anything against what others believe when they are claiming Christians it simply means you're CONTRACTING your fellow believers.

The same way you're contradicting your fellow believers.

The second highlighted is where you are hiding under LAWLESSNESS {Matthew 7:23} when you declare countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines "CHRISTIANS" whereas Jesus made it clear that all his disciples must work together as one body! John 17:22

You're also a denomination within Christianity as long as you claim to be a follower of Jesus.

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Listen to the music and be healed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVU9JufVjX4

MaxInDHouse:
I never contradict God's purpose which is all faithful servants of God must have the same line of thought and work together in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in their neighborhood so i believe only Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians that's why i am working with them as a disciples of Christ under one body. John 17:22; Ephesians 4:5

Now mention the name of the only group that you know also as Christians today (not just grouping LAWLESS RELIGIONS welcoming all forms of doctrines) with which you are participating in the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

This is too fluffy.

You contradict other Christians. I regard JW as an heretic denomination just as there are many denominations within Christiendom. You can't single yourself out and start saying you don't contradict yourself. Which denomination does.

Any church organization that acknowledges Christ as its Supreme Head, is subject to the Holy Ghost and has totally submitted itself to the authority of the Word of God is doing the will of God. Your organization does not not even measure up.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what all of you often say yet you're all facing different directions contradicting one another in the name of:
"i believe only the Bible"
And different religions are raised after all the excuses.
Well we humbly subject to the will of God and that is all faithful worshipers must do things in harmony like one body! John 17:22

It's the same way you also contradict other Christians. This your accusation is stale and illogical.

It has been fully established that you believe your own words and not the Bible. It has also been established that you have put yourself under oaths of false unity to believe anything your GBs say including any lies told you.

Jesus Christ confirmed that the Jews were paying tithes even in His days, you are telling us that Jesus lied and that we should believe you instead that the Jews were no longer paying tithes in Christ's days. They departed from Judaism according to you. Hen?

God said the people should pay tithe. You created your own Bible and called it tax. Yet you want us to take your words and ignore the Bible? Why can't you be sincere to your own soul for once? For the sak of your eternity, my friend.

MaxInDHouse:
Believe whatever pleases you but true believers will find the meaning of what is written in God's word so that they can work together as one body not each person giving God's word individual interpretation!

I'll believe the Bible. That's what pleases me. I choose to believe the Bible only.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's a lie because in the days of Jesus many have turned away from Judaism due to contradicting teachings among those leading in the religion that's why the people became totally confused regarding what to believe.
So when John the baptist came he prepared their minds ahead for the coming of the Christ.
From the days of Malachi tithing has become a topic of debate among the Jews because they have to pay tithe and tax to their pagan rulers that's why God promised them to pay and see if He will not bless them in multiple folds for obeying His commandments which has to do with pure worship. Malachi 3:10
But after the Christ the work of Levites came to an end so paying of tithe also came to an end among true worshipers of God who are now practicing Christianity! Hebrews 7:5-12

So, we should believe you more than the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
You people just think we are novice like you.

God commanded Israelites to tithe and until the nation fell under the rule of pagan nations there was no complaints regarding paying of tithe but it's in the book of Nehemiah and Malachi written after the fall of Jerusalem that God told them to pay yet you want to argue that there was no problem shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

I am telling you that there was a smooth tithe paying activity even in the days of the Lord Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
I will call it whatever will help my listener know it's importance so that they may understand why it became difficult for Israelites living under the control of pagan nations to continue paying it as it amounts to double taxation for them!

Israelites didn't find it difficult to continue paying it under pagan rule. Don't you read your Bible? You didn't even read the scriptures I quoted here demonstrating that they were still paying tithes in Jesus' time?

Don't call it what God did not call it. That's what we call heresy.

MaxInDHouse:
Call it whatever you want the fact remains that God established it to cater for the less privilege among His worshipers and He gave them what they will use to start the business that's why He has the right to demand for tenth part of their profit unlike human government that give their subjects nothing yet demanding TAX from them.
The Jews doesn't understand God's purpose that's why they rejected the Christ till today so if you're thinking the Jews understands God's will then i'm sorry for you!

Call it what God called it. Tithe, and not tax.

MaxInDHouse:
Whether they believe it or not that's what it is!

God commanded Israelites to bring it so as to cater for the less privileged in the society like widows, orphans and stranded travelers within the land of Israel everything else God gave them laws on how it should be done.

So their tradition doesn't count after all they uphold their man-made traditions that what God says! Matthew 15:2-6

Please don't push a narrative that doesn't hold water. God doesn't tax people. Only the devil does. If your god taxes people, he might be the devil.

You can't know more than the Jews about tithe.

MaxInDHouse:
Tell this to a judaist who still believes in the Old Testament not a Christian!

In Jewish tradition, tithe isn't regarded as a tax.

MaxInDHouse:
I didn't formulate anything rather i just made it clearer so that everyone may know that taxes from human Kings wasn't part of God's purpose for the Israelites therefore you comparing taxes with tithe shows you don't even know the difference between the two.
Taxes were imposed on subjects when kings and their family are exempted {Matthew 17:24-27} but when God initiated tithing only the less privileged with the society (widows, orphans and stranded travelers) were exempted all the people including the Levites must pay tithe.

If taxes from human kings weren't part of God's purpose, why would God tax people? Tithe wasn't a tax.

The truth is that there's no reaping without sowing. While salvation is free, other things come with your deliberate seeding actions. If you want God's prosperity on your life, be a tither. At least, that's the message of Malachi 3. Tithing your income brings you into partnership with God for financial prosperity. It's not a law but a principle of financial success. That's why even unbelievers would benefit if they tithe.

Tithing does not give you an avenue to make heaven but it sure opens financial doors. Please study Malachi 3 and see why God commanded tithing. Most Christians who don't tithe actually live below Gods plans for their finances.

paxonel:
so,why is he promoting fake miracles and testimonies in his church.
Don't you know that these testimonies are capable of giving people false hope of fortunes like miracle babies
Miracle jobs
Miracle husband
Miracle wealth etc?

Oyedepo would promote fake miracles? You don't know the man!

All testimonies are scrutinized before they're allowed to be aired on the altar. You don't believe in miracles? Come meet me, let me give you practical manifestations of the power of God.

1000angstroms:
If you didn't see where he was teaching that suffering came to job because he didn't pay tithe, sir, you the fool, not just blind.

No one said he's a perfect man. Did I? Being a great man of God is not the same as being a perfect man. I'm not saying he was right or wrong. I'm saying it's not out of place for anyone to disagree with him.

MaxInDHouse:
God never want the Israelites to have human kings His purpose is when the Christ comes he will serve as King and Priest in the order of Melchizedek, Israelites decided on their own! 1Samuel 8:1-18

So if their kings impose taxes on them it's not part of God's purpose for them they could have been tax-free if they never asked for human king.
From the day they asked for human King they turned themselves to slaves again under the rule of imperfect humans who will impose taxes on them apart from the spiritual taxation God required of them which is for their own benefits.
That's why Jesus the Messiah never demanded tithe from anyone {Matthew 11:28-30} rather what he demanded is our time to preach and teach about God's Kingdom!Matthew 28:19-10

The Bible already told us why Jesus didn't demand tithes while on earth. Why I you formulating your own reason?

GreatrAnalyst:
Many ignoramuses live and dwell here on the platform.
Don't mind them.

Relationship of more than 40 years.
One is a spiritual father, the other is a spiritual son.
Is it age that determines who a spiritual father or son is?

By physical age, wasn't the likes of Peter older than Jesus??

Gbam!

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
It's a system of taxation God introduced to an independent nation under His rulership but after they lost their independence it became obsolete among true worshipers.

Smiling.

No, it wasn't. If it was, the Bible would state it expressly. It would have stopped at the time of the kings. The kings imposed taxes. God didn't. God doesn't tax people. He never did. Tithing was for the purpose of the Church, and as long as Churches exist, so does tithing. Even when the Romans ruled Judea, tithing was still a regular practice as I showed you in a previous scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
You misunderstood me, i never said Israelites don't practice tithing in Jesus' day rather true worshipers no longer practice it as they now follow the teachings of Christ Jesus who was driven out of the temple.

The commandments are over 600 God only wrote ten on stone tablets with his fingers to prove the laws are from Him. So all those laws were given to the Israelites and Jesus said all hangs on two laws: love for God and love for neighbors! Mark 12:27-31

Tithing is simply a demonstration of love for God with your finances. God blesses you in return.

MaxInDHouse:
Temple worship and it's tithing arrangement became USELESS at the moment Christ began his ministry. God told Moses regarding Israel:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

John the baptist served as the last Israelite prophet whose work will usher in the era of the Christ {Malachi 4:5} Jesus told his disciples that John the baptist is lesser than the least in his kingdom {Matthew 11:11-12} John made it clear to his own disciples that his work will begin to decrease while that of the Christ will continue to increase {John 3:30} Jesus told the Samaritan lady at Jacob's well that Jerusalem Temple worship will no longer matter because true worshipers will do so in spirit and truth {John 4:24} this means that whatever the Jews are practicing inside that temple has become invalid if they don't discontinue the form of worship they're practicing in that temple and embrace Christianity where animal sacrifices and burning of incense will not be required for pure worship.
When the Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth both Jerusalem, it's temple and all worship done inside becomes a curse {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why God gave them a sign after Jesus' last breath {John 19:30} as he finished the last work to establish the New Covenant! Matthew 27:51
So whatever the Jews are doing in Jerusalem or inside their temple after the establishment of Christianity has nothing to do with the true God anymore!

Why do you like ignoring scriptures to hang on to whatever is on your mind? This is not good for soul my friend.

You first said they didn't practice tithing in Jesus' days. Now that you have been shown the scriptures that disprove your words, you should honorably agree that you erred.

Tithing isn't part of the law. It's not among the 10 commandments. It's an ordinance of life. It works for both believers and unbelievers. If you honour God with your tenth, God will bless you. It is not mandatory but it still works today as it did in old times, and would continue to work until the world comes to a close.

budaatum:
I am obviously not protesting. I am stating an opinion just as you are.

It is not the norm amongst we Yorubas for an 82 year old to call a 70 year old, son.

We Yorubas respect each other far more than for an 82 year old to insult a 70 year old that way.

It's a long time relationship between them. Don't put your mouth into things you know nothing about. This isn't the first time Oyedepo would call Adeboye "My father" and Adeboye would call Oyedepo "My son." Adeboye usually calls Oyedepo the son that is bigger than his father, referring to both himself and Oyedepo.

MaxInDHouse:
In the New Testament the tithing arrangement has become meaningless because they were no longer in charge of the land God gave them rather a pagan nation (Rome) has become their ruler so it's this pagan nation that was demanding TAX from them just as they does over all other nations under the same colony that's why paying or collecting tithe in Jesus' day became difficult and obsolete.
But as for gifts which is not mandatory they can bring or give it to anyone as their hearts move them.
So when Christianity was commissioned it was practiced without tithing because disciples are practicing Christianity not by force but out of love for God and neighbors and since it was to be taken to all other places Christians only pay their TAXES which was forcefully collected by authority they only give whatever they have to support the Kingdom work.

Do you know that the Maa'sa (Tithe) is still being practiced in Israel today! Though not compulsory, some of them take it very religiously. How then do you think it was not practiced in Jesus's day. Jesus accused them of paying tithes which according to Him was good, but they neglected justice and equity.

"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."