Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 10:40am On Sep 28, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: They have the right to say "NO" to any God since they never knew any God directly unlike the God of Israel who introduced Himself to the Israelites with a mighty hand by delivering them from slavery and acquiring possessions which they don't deserve for them. This God has the right to make demands from them since He gave them what they can use as resources that's why He mandated they pay or they are ROBBING Him. Malachi 3:9 
Ọmọ stop jumping from pillar to post gifts are voluntary but tithe is mandatory that's where the two differ!  Are you aware that wages were earned in Israel in New Testament times? Can you prove to me that they gave gifts and tithes in kind and not in cash? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop David Oyedepo: See Fine Man Na (Photos) by FxMasterz: 9:48am On Sep 28, 2024 |
paxonel: So, are you aware that you can still be the Christian that you are, without him ?
are you aware that what God desires from you is your direct relationship between you and him without you having a priest or a man of God. Meaning, you are a priest for yourself?
Are you aware that you are unique and peculiar the way you are, just like he is unique the way he is?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't celebrate anyone. But the truth is that he doesn't even know that you exist talkless of him celebrating you.
And most importantly, do you know that your worship to God is you and just you alone, without religious building, gathering or place? Check your bible He was suppose to be the one telling you these.
The day you understand these things, that's when you will know what it means to be free. Then you will never need miracles anymore talkless of testimonies because you will see that nothing was wrong with you in the first place. You were as whole as the first man God created(Adam) which he created and saw that everything about him was good without any defect.
God never intended to intervene or perform miracles in the first place he created man. He wanted man to learn and take charge. Image a man inventing an electric fan and keeps intervening by turning the blades with his hands all the time after plugging it to electricity. He will become frustrated that this fan is not working the way it ought to work.
That's how God feels anytime you are begging for miracles all to give testimony. You don't know?  Everything you said is correct concerning every believer. That's my brand of Christianity. That's what I preach. And interestingly, that's what Oyedepo teaches. Oyedepo was the first man of God in this country to teach you how to take charge of your life as a Christian and be a beacon of hope to others in your neighborhood. Infact, he teaches that wherever a Christian is, especially in the midst of unbelievers, he is the pastor or the priest of God for the people in that place. He teaches that you're born again to be a solution provider and not a miracle seeker. You're the one that God has placed in your neighborhood, your office, your school, anywhere, as a representative of God to the people. God put you there because He wants to work through you to manifest His love towards the people. You're not there by accident. The believer is the solution that God has sent to his generation. Your refusal to take full advantage of God's grace upon your life is a disservice to God's kingdom. "It is a slap on your redemption for you to be running from pillar to post looking to someone to lay hands on you when God has already placed the solution within you." Let me stop here. At least you already got the gist. Please let's celebrate this great man of God. It doesn't matter whether he knows that I exist or not. He doesn't actually need to know. He is indeed a blessing to this generation. Happy birthday once again to the great man of God, Bishop David Oyedepo! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:36am On Sep 28, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: God COMMANDED tithes based on what He shared to the tribes of Israel not salary that's why each Israelites must used the inheritance God gave them {Deuteronomy 10:9} which wasn't given to Levites as means of resources to pay tithe {Deuteronomy 14:29 it's due to this inheritance not given to Levites that God told the other tribes that they are ROBBING Him! Malachi 3:9 So tithe wasn't for salary earners that's why it's strictly farm products!  So, those who earn wages are not receiving from God? Can you prove to me that gifts and tithes were paid in kind in the New Testament? Especially during the earthly era of Christ and His disciples? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 10:39pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: So tell me what any Israelite does back then apart from FARMING?  Tell me what they would have brought if they were salary earners? |
Christianity Etc › Re: For The Umteen Time, Use The HU Sound In Your Life by FxMasterz: 10:37pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
Use the sound and invite a barrage of demons into your life. The OP is ignorant. He doesn't even know what he's doing. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop David Oyedepo: See Fine Man Na (Photos) by FxMasterz: 10:31pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
Zaheertyler: Two things stand out for me He is a complete embodiment of excellence..like complete which is a very rare traits you see in an African man..not even today talk less of someone who is 70.. Maximum respect sir
Weekly testimonies in the church goes beyond a natural way of thinking..and to me normal words can’t explain how I understood it..but I’ll say it’s one of the best faith based innovations I’ve seen in my life
You are a true role model sir one that both Christians and everyone else should strive to emulate Happy birthday sir Absolutely correct! Only the blind can't see this. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 10:27pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: This isn't tithing but VOLUNTARY contribution.
When talking about tithing no matter where you are once you have converted the tithing to money due to distance when you get to the place where you are to pay your tithe it must be converted to farm products again NOT money:
But if the journey should be too long for you and you are not able to carry it to the place that Jehovah your God chooses as the place for his name because it is far away from you (because Jehovah your God will bless you), you may then convert it into money, and with your money in hand, travel to the place that Jehovah your God will choose. You may then spend the money on whatever you desire—cattle, sheep, goats, wine and other alcoholic beverages, and anything you please; and you will eat there before Jehovah your God and rejoice, you and your household. And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you. Deuteronomy 14:24-27
Never was tithe paid in cash!  That's for those whose incomes are in kind. Those are farmers. Those who are not farmers and whose incomes are in cash would pay cash. And since the economy today is a cash economy, cash is paid as tithe. Bring the tithe of EVERYTHING. So, if what you have is cash, it is still part of EVERYTHING. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:57pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Continue lying to your own soul.
There is no single religion practicing the tithing in ancient Israel today back then they don't bring money it's farm products to be stored in the Tabernacle!  Did you read that the scriptures say we should bring ALL the tithes? Or you want to pretend? Even back then, it was permissible to convert materials to money in order to give to God. Exodus 35:5, 20-29, 36:3-7, and 2 Chronicles 24:10. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:41pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: I'm not here for back and forth arguments it's either there is still material tithing in Christianity or no material tithing!  There's still material tithing. No spiritual tithing. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:21pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Case closed!
No tithing!  Lol. Na wá for you o. Why cut off the rest of my post to hammer on the last words without recourse to the context? Is that a sign of good Christianity? Is this how they behave in your 'Kingdom of God'? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 4:33pm On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: The highlighted shows you love lies!
Jesus never collected material tithes when he was here as human so after he became the High Priest it's not material tithing Paul said Jesus received rather its imperfect humans he is receiving into the most holy temple where we can approach God's throne without animal sacrifices something Israelites can't do in ancient times yet they were paying material tithes only for priests collecting tithes to approach the altar in their behalf.  You simply don't understand English or you deliberately want to peddle lies. That Scripture in Hebrews said Jesus couldn't receive tithe on earth when He was here because there were men who were already receiving it here on earth. This is the only reason why Jesus didn't receive tithe on earth. Heb.8.4: "For if He were on earth, He should not be a Priest, seeing that there are priests (here on earth already) that offer gifts according to the law:"In Hebrews 7:8, the Bible says men who die receive tithes, but there, He receives them, of whom it is said that He lives. Simple English. Men who die receive tithes here, but He receives them there. It is scripture manipulation to start interpreting "them" as being spiritual when the tithes that were pre-mentioned are physical. The doctrine of spiritual tithe-giving is heresy. There's no such thing as spiritual tithes. Christ receives tithes spiritually but the tithes are are given materially. Spiritually, we are to give God all our being, time and strength. Not the tenth of them. Render yourself wholly as a burnt sacrifice. No tithing. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 7:13am On Sep 27, 2024*. Modified: 11:08am On Sep 27, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Hebrews 7:5-12 Ministers in Christ never collected tithe from anyone in the New Testament because they are not commanded by Christ to do so when the Priesthood changed. 1. Kindly quote out that scripture. 2. The ministers can't collect tithe because they themselves were still attending synagogues where they were paying their own tithes. Tell us where the scriptures EXPLICITLY said "Christ receives MATERIAL TITHE"  Hebrews 7:8 "And here (on earth) mortal men (the Aaronic priesthood) receive tithes (material tithes); but there (at the right hand of God), He receives them (the tithes mentioned above. Same material tithes), of whom it is witnessed that He lives." |
Christianity Etc › Re: Happy 70th Birthday To David Oyedepo by FxMasterz: 11:41pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
Happy Birthday to this great man of God.
May the Lord continue to strengthen you as you age in Jesus name. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:54pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ you don't know anything about Jesus and his message so whenever you see my talking just keep quiet.
Material tithe is no part of Christianity God used it as a system of taxation to help Israelites care for those in service of pure worship, orphans, widows and stranded travelers in ancient Israel {Deuteronomy 14:29} but when the new covenant was established material tithing became obsolete. Hebrews 7:5-12 Lol. You really are very amusing. 1. Can you tell me explicitly where the scriptures says material tithing is obsolete? 2. The writer of Hebrews discussed MATERIAL TITHING and said Christ receives it in Heaven. Do you mean to say you know better than the Bible? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 8:14pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: There is well over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so if truly you have the spirit of discernment please mention one that's preaching the kingdom of God and explain why they are unique!  You want to enter another debate? Except you're enlightened, I cannot start discussing these things with you. However, you need to know that any kingdom where they preach to the resurrected ones is actually not the Kingdom of God. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 7:03pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Just hear yourself! 
Someone told a woman that joining his church will make her enter into the Kingdom of God and in your own mind that's preaching for the kingdom of God shey?
Ọmọ start a thread and title it "What is the Good News of God's kingdom"
I will be there to enlighten you and your friends!  You have nothing to enlighten anyone about. You're as ignorant as your enlightenment. Demons also preach and that's why there's a Spirit of Discernment in us to differentiate between light and darkness. We are even asked to try all spirits. Not every spirit that claims to be of God is of God. There's nothing anyone is preaching that demons cannot also preach. They've been in heaven before and know the place more than you do. Like in that example above, there are many false preachings around. People have entangled themselves in the web of darkness because they were made to believe they were being invited into the Kingdom of God. You don't even know that the kingdom where you still preach to resurrected ones is not the Kingdom of God but a kingdom preached by demons. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 3:48pm On Sep 26, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: The highlighted is a lie, demons can never and will never preach the Kingdom of God it's you who doesn't know the truth about Kingdom of God they can deceive.
Today if i see any preacher before uttering three sentences i can tell you that he or she is preaching for God or Satan.
So it's you they can deceive not a real Christian!  My dear, stop deceiving yourself. I have met a woman who told me of a man who told her to.join their church. He told her that everyone who joins them would enter into the kingdom of God. He also said she can see visions of the Kingdom of God where they're going right now. The woman exclaimed 'Wow', and as she did, the man slapped her chest in a rap. Then pointed her to look towards the sky. There she beheld a very beautiful city up in the sky. She said it was so beautiful. As she continued to gaze, the man commented, "That's God's Kingdom. We'll be there some day." This is clearly not the Kingdom of God, but demons in a certain cult have shown them a fake kingdom with sightly conviction. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 9:42am On Sep 26, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Highlighted is IMPOSSIBLE!
This is where you are getting confused!
First of all you need to know what God's word said about the head of God's Kingdom and the head of Worldly Kingdom if you don't know the difference between the two then you can't adequately preach about God's Kingdom and you will surely be misled anytime Satan's agents raises their false teachings.
Satan is the head of the Kingdom of darkness, demons are his subordinates in the spirit realms and politicians are their human representatives so if you don't know this then you've lost sight of God's Kingdom message.
Jesus is the head of the Kingdom of light, angels are his spiritual attendants while his disciples are his representatives you must identify these people otherwise you can't know the side you should be. You once said you used to attend religious service with any (living) church around you this simply means you have failed to recognize Jesus' disciples who have a unique message and assignment.
No agents of Satan can preach about God's Kingdom because it's the main issue that led to a division among the angels in heaven {Matthew 12:25} so once a person decides to preach the truth about God's Kingdom Satan, demons and their human representatives will begin persecuting him or her immediately {Matthew 24:9} you will notice that despite the confusion among all the different religions on this planet they're all against one single religion (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) because that's the only religion Jesus is using to propagate the Good News of his Kingdom. The rest are in darkness that's why they will easily pick up weapons to fight and kill not just their neighbors but their fellow worshipers yet they will claim they are for Christ Jesus who commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 26:52} to love their neighbors as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to have intense love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35
Satan's goal is to see that everything is destroyed before God destroys him {Revelations 12:12} so he has come to steal, to kill and to destroy {John 10:10} that's why all the religions under his control can't help resolve their disparities unlike those who have the light {Isaiah 2:4} rather their spiritual father has blinded them {2Corinthians 4:4} so they can't see through his lies therefore they kill one another at will! John 8:44
If you want to know more start a thread entitled "What is the message of the Good News?" tag all those you think can make meaningful contributions and i will be there to air what i know! I have told you that demons can can FALSELY preach the kingdom of God and there are many demons doing it today. Did you read the word 'FALSELY?' |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 11:20pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Our preaching has a THEME "GOD'S KINGDOM" {Matthew 10:7} demon can't preach it because it's the foundation of chasm that makes them darkness while we are the light. Luke 16:26 compare to Genesis 3:15 So if you don't know this sacred secret any form of religion can deceive you with whatever they are preaching. Only true Christians can preach the Good News of God's kingdom! Romans 10:13-15 This is actually a lie. Infact the scriptures warn us against false preachers. Yeah demons can falsely preach about the Kingdom of God. But the kingdom is actually the kingdom of Satan in disguise. Here are some scriptures warning about false preachers: 1. Matthew 7:15-20: Beware of false prophets. 2. Matthew 24:4-5, 11, 24: False messiahs and prophets. 3. Acts 20:29-31: Savage wolves (false teachers) among you. 4. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: False apostles, deceitful workers. 5. Galatians 1:6-9: Different gospel, false teachers. 6. 1 Timothy 4:1-3: Departing from the faith, false teachings. 7. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 12-22: False prophets and teachers. 8. 1 John 4:1-6: Test the spirits, false prophets. 9. Jude 1:4, 12-19: False teachers, corrupting the faith. Characteristics of False Preachers:1. Deceitful words (2 Corinthians 11:3). 2. Self-seeking (2 Peter 2:3). 3. Greed (Titus 1:11). 4. False teachings (Galatians 1:6-9). 5. Lack of love (1 John 4:  . 6. Denying Christ (2 Peter 2:1). 7. Immoral lives (Jude 1:4, 12-19). How to Identify False Preachers:1. Compare teachings to Scripture (Acts 17:11). 2. Check their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20). 3. Look for humility, not arrogance (1 Corinthians 3:18-23). 4. Be cautious of sensationalism (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4). 5. Seek wise counsel (Proverbs 11:14). According to God's word nobody can effectively communicate regarding the Good News of God's kingdom that's why we must be taught how to preach and teach so all modern day servants of our God must be trained to become effective evangelizers no matter their condition!  This is another lie. It is the Holy Ghost who teaches. No amount of human training can make anyone an effective preacher. But, you tried to dodge the real question. For those who cannot effectively communicate or express themselves, how do they preach? Do they stand condemned for their inability to preach since ONLY preaching gets people saved according to you? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 7:20pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Those demons are mocking the way of holiness that's why we always silence them {Mark 1:24-25} they are not for us but against us! That should tell you then that not all preaching is acceptable to God. Preaching itself is not a prerequisite for salvation. As for blind, deaf and dumb in our midst they are also preaching the Good News ask anyone around you! That's for those who can communicate effectively. What about those who can't? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 3:41pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: You just like deceiving yourself! 
Was the girl preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God as commanded by Christ Jesus?  Acts 16:17 " This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” Was she cursing the kingdom of God? At least you can see now that ONLY those who have the Spirit of God in them are known of God. God never said ONLY those who preach are known of Him. You mean the deaf and dumb who can't preach are not known of Him? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 1:00pm On Sep 25, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ you know nothing about Christ but since PRIDE will not allow you to learn i will leave you to continue with your opinion.
Just remember that the only exercise that makes anyone a Christian is being part of those preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as Jesus commanded!  The bolded as well as the points I laughed about in my previous post shows that that you're the one who knows nothing but pride wouldn't allow you learn. Can you show me any scripture that says preaching and teaching are the ONLY activities that make you a Christian? A demon possessed girl followed Paul and Barnabas preaching and proclaiming along, yet she was not a Christian. Paul had to cast out her preaching demons. Not every preacher is of God. But anyone who is full of the Holy Spirit is of God whether he preaches or not. " You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." - Romans 8:9. Therefore, " Don't be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, and making music to the Lord in your hearts." - Ephesians 5:18 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 10:57am On Sep 25, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: The only reward God promised all His servants is everlasting life which Adam's descendants don't deserve as sinners. So if you ignore Christ's command to preach it simply means you have not accepted him as your King so you have no share in his Kingdom. Don't deceive yourself thinking people who said they accepted him on their dying moments are going to gain everlasting life. NO! They only have a chance to be resurrected in Paradise {Luke 23:43} there we must still preach and teach resurrected ones who never had the opportunity to hear about God's Kingdom, at that time all those who resurrected based on accepting Jesus as King must humbly support the preaching work with all their mighty as gratitude for a second chance given them to serve our King. That is when all those who refused to obey the command from our King will not be able to get their names in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} because it's only those PRACTICING what Jesus said regarding preaching and teaching that the angels will include their names! Malachi 3:16
So whether you like it or not know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ Jesus COMMANDED all his disciples. If any of them falls into sin due to imperfection he or she will be forgiven for being obedient to God's only begotten Son. Romans 7:15-25; Proverbs 24:16; Luke 22:31-32
But no matter your self righteousness it's of no worth before our God {Isaiah 64:6} if you refused to do the work Jesus assigned all his subjects!  I can't but laugh at the following lines: 1. The only reward God promised to all his servants is everlasting life. 2. If you don't heed Christ's command to preach, it means you have not accepted Him as your King 3. Only those practicing what Jesus said regarding preaching would have their names written in the book by the angels. 4. In paradise, we must still preach and teach the resurrected ones. 5. Whether you like it or not, know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ commanded. Hahaha, where do I even start from? How can you have this truckload of heresies and call yourself a follower of Christ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 8:59pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Whoever ignores the command from God's only begotten Son will PERISH! John 3:16  That's for those who refuse to listen and heed the gospel of salvation. No scripture says you'll perish for not preaching to others. You won't get a reward when others are getting. That's the punishment. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 8:49pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: You have not quoted a verse that supports the exemption of preaching from the WORKS of salvation! I don't need to. Scripture didn't say well perish if we don't preach. You didn't bring any scriptures to prove that point except the ones you misquoted. Of course in God's organization offices differs but we must all PREACH and TEACH in our neighborhood. Yes we must all preach in order to receive heavenly rewards. No scripture says we must all preach in order to be saved. For instance in my own congregation i am one of the shepherds that doesn't exempt me from going out to preach and teach in my neighborhood the same is with members of our Governing Body who are serving in the office of Apostles over all the congregations globally yet each of them must preach and teach in his neighborhood. No one is exempted from preaching. However preaching does guarantee salvation, neither is it a prerequisite for receiving eternal life. So the preaching WORK is tied to our salvation because that's the command Jesus gave all of us!  Jesus commanded us all to preach but He never said if you don't preach you shall be doomed. There's no scripture that ties your preaching to your salvation. Infact someone can preach and still be doomed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 8:24pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ don't turn the scriptures upside down nah!
quote the Bible word for word and let everyone see where you're quoting!
As for the Apostles whatever you like say about them one thing is certain they were WORKING HARD towards increasing disciples teaching and encouraging them to go on with the preaching and teaching work!  I have quoted the scripture you requested. You can also read Ephesians 4 to see that Christ distributed the gifts of ministry when He ascended up on high. He gave some apostoles, some teachers, etc. If you have any issue with the scripture I quoted, spell it out, I'll elaborate. We are not doomed for not preaching. There's no Scripture that says that. Except you're called and commissioned of God to preach, you must fulfil your assignment because God will judge you on the basis of how you fulfilled your calling. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 8:02pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Can you back this up with the scriptures?
I am saying it again and again:
All disciples of Christ Jesus must preach whoever refuses to preach is doomed because that's the COMMAND we received from our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! Matthew 28:19-20
So all disciples of Christ Jesus must do the work of an evangelist.
Apostles doesn't mean people building churches rather they are direct representatives of Christ Jesus heading his congregation and passing information to us on how to go about the assignment Jesus gave us.
That's why we must RECOGNIZE them unlike you people who just feel when someone claims he is an Apostle but contradicting others claiming they are also Apostles.
The Apostles of Christ must speak with one voice so as not to cause a division in the body of Christ.
That's why we believe that only one channel is used by Jesus today and it's that channel that is making REAL DISCIPLES who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth! Act 1:8  I don't want to argue with you regarding apostles because you don't even understand that there are special callings and general commandments. You don't even understand the difference. I can't start talking to you about the apostolic office. You asked for scriptures for saying that all are not called to do the same things? That would take you into a whole lot of lessons where we would be talking about the 5 fold ministries of Christ. Go study that on your own. But let me give you this scripture in 1 Corinthians 12:29-31. Paul asked the Corinthians who wanted to be everything and be everywhere. " Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[a]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts." The answer to all is No, so Paul went ahead to tell us what we must all do without any exception - Love. We must all love. Anything that is not of love is not of God. For the lack of love in the life of a believer, he can be doomed. You cannot know God and not have love because God is love. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 6:21pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: So who called you to sing for God? Did Jesus asked you to sing for God?
Come on you're talking to a disciple not those churchgoers you can deceive with lies.
What Jesus (God's only begotten son) commanded all his disciples is to go out there and preach the Good News of God's Kingdom.
 Everyone has his own calling in the Kingdom. Everyone should preach but not everyone is an Evangelist. Everyone should teach but not everyone is a Pastor. Everyone should prophesy but not everyone is a prophet. Everyone should build churches but not everyone is an apostle. Paul's statement about the woe is because of his calling as an apostle which he must not disobey. We are all called to preach, sing, pray and help fellow believers as well as none believers. All have their rewards, they're not the prerequisites for salvation. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 4:56pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Now it's obvious you hate the truth! 
Ezekiel is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him, Paul is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him.
Jesus Christ commanded all his disciples to go and PREACH and whoever ignores that command is doomed for not bowing to the order from God's Son.
Yet you still want to argue.
Ọmọ go out there and do whatever you like jàre forget about Christianity no be mọimọi it's assigned duty given to all disciples of Jesus that's what makes them Christians! Act 1:8  If you're called to preach, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to sing, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to pray, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to be a helper, you have a case to answer if you disobey. Paul didn't say he was doomed if he didn't preach. Don't say what Paul never said. God didn't say Ezekiel would be doomed if he didn't warn. He'll only be doomed if the sinner he was supposed to warn perished. Preaching is not a prerequisite for salvation. Not a requirement at all. Up till now you could not produce any scripture that says you'll perish if you refuse to preach? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 4:31pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: You hate the truth nah! 
Paul said as a Christian:
"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!" 1 Corinthians 9:16 Which is in harmony with Ezekiel 3:18
But since you're desperate to condemn Christ and his assignment you will continue asking the same question when there is nothing that makes anyone Christian without the preaching and teaching WORK that Jesus assigned to his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20
Can anyone be a Christian without obeying this command? Do you think anyone ignoring this command could be saved?  My dear, Paul was a commissioned preacher that's why he 'Necessity is laid upon 'ME'. Woe is 'Me'. He didn't say woe is all believers. Neither did he tell the recipients of his letter 'Woe is you if you do not preach the gospel." Just like Ezekiel, Paul was commissioned to preach as all who are called and given that particular assignment to preach. That's his heavenly commission as an apostle. Preaching is not a prerequisite for salvation. Please show me scriptures that says you are doomed if you don't preach the gospel. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 4:12pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: What ASSIGNMENT makes a group of worshipers "CHRISTIANS"?
Ọmọ it's the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to all his disciples whoever fails to do it simply doesn't believe in Jesus as King who has authority over his soul!
As for Ezekiel go and present what God told this prophet in the Bible book of Ezekiel 3:17-19 to anyone out there and ask them if Ezekiel is not doomed failure to PREACH!  I have asked you to show me a scripture that says preaching is a prerequisite for salvation. Show me a scripture that says a Christian is doomed for not preaching the gospel. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by FxMasterz: 2:55pm On Sep 24, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus sent his disciples to go out and preach the Kingdom of God to people of all nations whoever turns a deaf ear to their message is doomed: Yes, whoever does not heed the salvation message is doomed. Preaching the gospel however is not a prerequisite for salvation. "Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city" Matthew 10:14-15 This is the Truth of Scripture. Anyone who doesn't heed is doomed. Now tell us where Jesus says anyone who doesn't preach is doomed. Is this service optional?
Paul said:
"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you" 1Timothy 4:16
Whoever fails to do this work is doomed like Ezekiel who must preach and teach to save both himself and those who listened to him! Ezekiel 3:17-19 This is a lie. You'll need to counter what I said in my counter previously rather than trying to repeat yourself. Ezekiel is not doomed for not preaching. He is only doomed if the person he refuses to preach to perishes. Prove me wrong. Ọmọ long story no fit cover this one that's what disqualified all your churches who aren't making disciples for Christ Jesus real disciples of Christ must go out to preach and make more disciples! Matthew 28:19-20 But it's clear that your organization does not even tell people about Christ. You guys only tell people about your organization. Your organization doesn't even point people to Christ. All virgin nations where the Gospel have reached were reached by the Churches. Africa, the middle East, Europe and all places where civilizations have never gone have missionaries working to bring people to Christ. Christians are in dangerous Islamic countries preaching the gospel. Your organization only goes to preach after the gospel has already broken anti-christian barriers through the efforts of Christians who have gone in jeopardy of their lives to preach the gospel to those people. Many missionaries lost their lives to entrench the good news in those dark places. You guys only go lure away gullible souls to your organization in places where the Gospel have already been preached. Christians are making disciples everyday. We lay down our lives preaching even in dangerous places. This will be greatly rewarded by the Master but it is not a prerequisite for salvation. |