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jaephoenix:
Oh no, I can't divulge that on a public forum. Whenever you want us to meet, or u decide your god has given you any powers, reach me on a dm.
This your tactic of deferring meet is exactly what your fellow christians do when I invite them. The last one before you told me in March that he'll reach me in May/June. We are in December

You need to remind him. People are busy and may forget.

Also, understand that we are very busy people and cannot just be anywhere at a moment's notice.

If you have anyone who can stand in faith for the sick, connect me with such an one or we have a schedule. December and January are always very busy months for people like us.

jaephoenix:
I love the last option. We can make it work
My hospital is at Isolo, Lagos. I can pay your trans but this is Nigeria…. So pay your trans coming and I'll pay your return. I'll get some camera guys to cover the event and post it on Nairaland and other social media outlets. A miracle backed and attested by a physician carries marry impact, especially for the skeptics.
So its a win win situation for all parties: You prove your god is alive and a miracle working bro to me and every other atheist here on Nairaland, my patients are healed and they could attract more patients for the hospital, thus more money. Everyone is happy
DEAL?

My itinerary wouldn't take me to Lagos at the moment. Maybe we can schedule that for a future date.

What's the name of your hospital?

jaephoenix:
There's the small issue of doctor-patient confidentiality. I can't break it unfortunately, or face some lawsuit. And the patients themselves are moribond with low ASA. I would have to get their relatives and that would depend if they have the Power of Attorney to make decisions on their behalf. And of course I can't take their pics, even if they are completely unconscious.
Besides Jesus didn't need to talk directly to his patients before healings. He just sent his word. Also what if a patient is mute or deaf? How can s/he say amen? Lol.
So please send your word. We'll take it up from there

Okay, I fully understand.

Yeah, Jesus sent His word when He found someone who had faith in His word for the suck person. You don't have that faith. I must pray for the person and the person must say Amen. Or I If the person is dumb, I would speak to the dumb spirit through the person's ears. The dumb spirit will obey my command through Jesus' name, and the dumb shall be healed.

If there's a relation who can stand in faith for the sick, I would pray because of that person's faith. That's how Jesus did it. And that's how He taught us. As you have no faith, you're spiritually useless to your patients.

Through phone contact, I can pray with phone held to the person's ears. The person will be healed.

Alternatively, if I am physically present with the sick, I will lay hands on them in Jesus name, and they will be healed.

I'm not praying for them in order to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them because God loves them and wants to see them healed.

jaephoenix:
We are talking about palliative cases here. Folks with end stage kidney disease, metastatic prostate cancer etc. They would be dead in weeks or so.
So do your thing. Pray for them. After praying, we'll run investigations to confirm

I need to be able to speak to them. They'll hear my prayers and also say "Amen".

How many are they? Can i have their pictures?

jaephoenix:
They are ready. Say the word

I mean the medically impossible cases.

Who are they? What are their conditions? I'll pray for them, and Jesus will heal them.

jaephoenix:
Ok. So can you pray and someone gets healed now?

Yeah, by the grace of God.

Get the medically impossible cases in your hospital. Jesus will heal them.

jaephoenix:
Lol. AI doesn't do religious debates. Besides I saw the chat, the AI simply says that its programming doesn't cover that aspect of knowledge, like religion. Same stuff I have been drumming into your thick skull

Keep your mouth shut and go bury your head in shame! I might start ignoring you from henceforth because you're just too empty headed for anyone to be discussing anything with you.

Simple posts, you will.not even understand . You'll just be yarning nonesense up and down and be exposing your low IQ.

"Yan Yan doesn't do religious debate." Who engaged in religious debates with AI? Come on get off and go mention your mates.

jaephoenix:
Its cos all those other 'miracles' can be arranged and lied about. Someone can claim be healed of cancer, HIV etc without any evidence
I thought u have a brain

Mtcheww. Just responding offpoint. Are you just coming from a bar?

You started with insults since morning and I've been very civil with you. Later you'll come back to say I insulted you first. Of course you don't have a brain.

LordReed:
The pathetic ones here are you and the god you claim you speak for. I said your god should vividly show us atheists his vaunted universe creating powers by healing an amputee after you claimed your god does vivid things. If you were sincere to yourself you'll have either not responded or shown me the evidence to the contrary but what did you do, start making claims you can't support with evidence. Did I force you to respond and turn yourself into a liar?

Is a Chatgpt response screenshot the before and after pictures I requested?

Pathetic liar with his pathetic god.

Really pathetic. I do not owe you any evidence. Who are you by the way,? I've asked you simple questions,you couldn't answer. Was there a debate? Who created it and who are the judges?

It's only a mad man that would tell someone, "hey, if I see an amputee healed, I'll stop.beimg an atheist", then when the person replies with directions as to where to find information, he starts yelling "Show me evidence. You're a liar. You don't have evidence. You're this and that." Does that your behavior sound logical to you? If it does, then you're irredeemable.

I created a thread where I pointed out that there must be a Creator behind the universe. You avoided any argument on that thread but when you heard I was going to put my argument on YouTube, you quickly saw a reason to tell me not to. And here you're flexing muscles because you've got a silly song to sing. Your show me evidence folly is very imbecilic. Go where the evidences are. No one owes you an evidence. No one showed me any evidence before I believed in God. Hence I don't owe anybody any evidence especially on a digital platform.

If we're meeting physically, yeah I can demonstrate the power of God to you as a person.n or to anyone you bring. It's just very easy for Jesus to demonstrate His power to you fools. It's not hard at all just a little word of prayers and thing's will.happen that are not ordinary.

If there are many fakes, if your head is working, you'll know that there's no fake without an original. Those who are faking it are doing so because they want to compete with those who have the original. If there no original, no o e will fake anything because no one will have such expectations of them. But if I perform Miracles, and yahoo pastor A wants to.pull membership as I do, he must fake it in order to pull.memberd like i.fo. if no one is performing real miracles , no one will.be doing fake miracles. Fakers make the most noise and fools like you use them as basis for generalizations.

Look, die in your ignorance and self inflicted folly if you must. You're not more important than all the foolish atheists who have so died and are now face to face with reality. Curse to the high heavens. Abuse me as much as you can. Call me a liar. Do all your demonically motivated things. One day, your eyes will clear. I just pray you get wise before then. And if you remain foolish, you'll justifiably bear the brunts of your own foolishness.

I don't have anything to do for you in terms of evidence. Who cares whether you believe or not? Who are you to be asking evidence from me? What debate did we join together?

"Did I force you to respond?" You're actually more unintelligent than I thought.

I may not answer you anymore because I don't have time to be wasting on fools.

jaephoenix:
What makes you think we haven't researched? I have worked in Orthopedic Hospitals both in Enugu and Igbobi. Amputees full everywhere. Pastors dey pray everyday. Nothing. Getaway here

Mtcheww.

jaephoenix:
My own Unicorn does wonders too. He saved me when I accidentally dived from a plane. He put my head back on my shoulder when some crazy Christian decapitated me, and my decapitated head was shouting 'Save me oh Unicorn'. He also miraculously made my 2 year old son a consultant cardiologist without med school or residency.
What a wonderful Unicorn

Mtcheww.

jaephoenix:
Kuhlman has been shown to be a fraud. Besides this is 2024, almost everyone has a camera phone, why is it difficult to see amputee regrowing videos?

Mtcheww

jaephoenix:
Ok so I'm lying about those christians running away from miracles? Ok. Can you heal anyone or know any pastor who does? Please don't point me to any pastor out there. They have all been exposed as scammers

I can't heal anyone but Jesus can. There are no scammer pastors anywhere. Those who scam are impostors. I will pray and Jesus will heal.

LordReed:
Because you claimed that it has happened. Bring evidence now has turned into a song and dance.

You asked me if it would change my mind or have you forgotten what you wrote?



You should have just minded your business then if you knew you were not going to be able to provide the evidence for the claim you were making. Instead you just made yourself into a liar. LoLz.

You atheists are very pathetic. You cane to me, and then I should give you evidence or mind my business. Did I come to you? I can only advise you on where to find evidence. We're not having a debate, and if you think we are, who created the debate and where are the judges?

Where did I ask you if you would change your mind after finding a healed amputee? Seriously this is a pure lie. I didn't count you among the lying atheists until now. Where exactly did I ask you that question?

"So, only amputee miracles is what would make you believe in God" How does that sound like "Would you believe in God if you see amputee healing miracles?"

I have given you references to make your findings you refused. Even if someone would give you evidence, is it possible to produce evidence on Nairaland physically? Is it not through texts and images that you would see evidence? You ignored all what I referred you to while you keep shouting your normal atheistic jargon "I asked him to show me evidence, he did this and did that."

Nonesense.

LordReed:
You made the claim, you bring the evidence. I won't do your work for you.

What claim exactly, and why should I bring evidence? You mentioned me to say you'll stop being an atheist if you see an amputee who got restored. How's that my business? If I told you that God has done numerous such things, and even gave you several pointers for a research, I've only helped you, you should be grateful. I'm not indebted to you to provide you with any evidence whatsoever!

LordReed:
LoLz. I should do your work for you. No sir. YOU get the evidence.

How's it my work?

Who are you that I should give you evidence?

Use the screenshot below to make further research.

LordReed:
LMAO! So you lied that the god has healed amputees. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

You want to pin an accusation on me to make me look a liar just because I exposed the lies atheists tell. That's why you keep inserting the words ""you're a liar", "you lied", etc. in all your mentions. It can't work. Lol. This accusation is very disjointed.. Nothing in my posts calls for this accusation. It's just mischief born of bitterness.

God has healed many amputees on several occasions through the ministries of many men of God. I gave you some hints for starting an indepth research, while telling you I have not personally witnessed one. I have not even witnessed an amputee coming for a miracle. That's it. I do not need to see an amputee being healed before I believe in God. He has done a lot for me already. I have kept telling you where go look if you want to see one but rather than search you're bent on painting me a liar because you're very much pained by my expose. Keep searching, you'll surely find.

jaephoenix:
Lol. I don't even know where to start.
The people rushing in to dispute miracles are actually Christians, not atheists. If you think I'm lying, check.
Also we debate with facts, if the miracles are staged, do you expect us to believe it? I have invited many christians to my hospital to heal folks, they all took off.
Your threads are just illiterate spawns. We have told you AI doesnt do religious debate but your stvpidity wouldn't allow you to understand

Mtcheww.

No one who stages a miracle is a Christian. Those who do are yahoo boys turned pastors. Rea miracles often don't make the news because they're common occurrences among us, added to the fact that Christians don't perform miracles for show.

It is a lie that that all the Christians you invited to your hospital took off. Mature Christians walking faithfully with the Lord will take up the challenge. The result would be that some would be healed while some may not.

Perhaps, those you're calling are norminal Christians who are just on the same plane as yourself. Matured born again christians filled with the Holy Ghost will take up the challenge. Some of the sick folks would be healed. The majority actually. While a few of them may not be healed.

jaephoenix:
Did you even read that screenshot?
Your chatgpt clearly told you limb regeneration and miracles are not possible. Are you this illiterate?

...are not possible biologically. That's what AI said! And are we discussing biology?

Miracles are not biology.

Illiterate, it's Meta AI, not Chatgpt. It said there are numerous claims of amputees being healed especially in the ministry of Kathryn Khulman.

I don't know why you just love lying. I have attached the screenshot again below to debunk your lies concerning what AI said.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Look at this comedian. You want to use semantics to deny your lying. OK lemme close that gap. You claimed your God has healed amputees and you later denied making that claim. You want to now twist it because I didn't capitalise god. You're a freaking joke. LMAFO!

Using lies to defend your beliefs. What a shame. LMAO!

Yeah, now you're talking. I have a God. I don't have a god. No Christian has a god. We have a God. He does all things. He is The Almighty. The God who raised my brother to life in 1982 when he died after falling from a storey building. The God who delivered my life from death in 1988 when Cholera struck my body. The God who miraculously delivered us from a fatal accident in 1988 when we were face to face with a trailer as we returned from Lagos after attending a Deeper Life retreat. The God who reassigned the tooth of my daughter when she grew one in very odd places. I ordered the tooth to correct itself in the name of Jesus and it did. The God who helped my fiancee (now my wife) to pass a paper after she had submitted an empty answer sheet. She returned home to tell me she couldn't write anything because that paper was tough. I said "Lord, you wrote the 10 commandments for Moses, write this paper for her." She miraculously had a 'B' in that paper. The God who delivered my 2 children from death when they were young. My children were always within my gated compound but this very day, they opened the gates to go take a closer look at a passing train. I was in the room when the Lord said to me "Go to the sitting room and look out the window". I looked out the window and saw my two children aged 4 and 2 running towards the rail to go see the train whose coming sound they have heard. The train was already in view and my kids were just 2 meters away from the rail still running when I yelled out their names. They immediately halted, and God delivered us from a great tragedy. How many would I talk of His goodness and grace and the great deliverances which He has wrought for me and through me? The fool looking for amputees should keep searching. Testimonies abound. He'll surely find. The Eternal God of Israel lives.

kingxsamz:
Bro, rest. You're a Christian. No dey pretend.⤵️

There's no Christian that has a god.

MaxInDHouse:
Bwahahaha!

Why quoting me!!!

Why can't you keep your own rules? Please get off my mention!

LordReed:
Yes you did. I said:



Your response:


So you are the liar you are accusing other people of.

You're the liar guy. Tell me where I claimed I have a god!

Dtruthspeaker:
Anyone choosing jw knows them and the point is that they want the Lies they sell.

And we know that they are mostly joining them because they claim to be a cooperative society promising assistance and help to people who join their society.

Clearly, the definition of a cult like Ogboni, Illuminati, Aye, Eyie, etc

So clearly people join them because they seem less blood ritualistic than those other cults

Hope nobody will be mad on this thread because any thread you enter like this, the people there must be mad?

Courz:
This thread will highlight the dangers of being a Jehovah's Witness. Some of you out there are already aware. But there are some who don't know anything about Jehovah's Witnesses. All you know is what they present to you. So, this thread will serve as a resource for people who must have encountered JWs or have been/are being preached to in order to be converted to the religion.

JWs look harmless and present an image of religious piety. Some of them are honest and simple people while there are others who are the opposite but these ones hide under that image to make themselves look good. The image a JW presents to you is a carefully crafted image made solely to Lure people in. People who only look at image will be greatly Deceived. But people who have spiritual discernment will look beyond the Physical and focus on their doctrines and how the doctrines affect their lives. So, the dangers of being a Jehovah's Witness is heavily tied to their Doctrines and what the doctrines do for them physically, Psychologically and Spiritually.

As an EXJW who has done a very deep investigation on the JW religion, I will point out the implications of being a Jehovah's Witness and I will be very honest about it. The implications will never be revealed to you if you are someone they are studying with to bring you into the religion. As someone who was born into it, there are a lot of things I didn't even Know until I got to the age of maturity enough to understand them. So, here are the dangers/implications of being a Jehovah's Witness.

1) You will be isolated from your loved ones that are not Jehovah's witnesses. In the Kingdom Hall, you will be encouraged to only mingle with fellow JWs. You will be told that everyone who is not a JW is Worldly, they are past of Satan's world and will be destroyed at Armageddon. So, you shouldn't have close relationships with them. They will say they are better friends than anyone you will get outside JW. You will hear this phrase a lot amongst them, The Worst JW is far better than a Worldly. In the beginning, while mingling with JWs, you will be presented with a picture of a Loving environment. You will experience what we call Love bombing. They will be so nice to you. After you have gotten baptised and they have gotten used to you, you will start to see their flaws. You will start to see many Cliques that you may struggle to fit in.

The JW religion doesn't promote autonomy of personality. You are supposed to behave like they do, talk like they do and think like they do. If you are very good at blending with their kind, you will blend well. But if your personality is authentic and you just cannot behave like a Robot, you will struggle in this religion. So, at some point, it can be lonely if you choose to listen to them when they say you cannot mingle with others that are not JW. You may even have just few friends in JW because of this. There are many EXJWs who admitted that they had a very hard time having friends in JW because of the Cliques.

The isolation the religion brings to your life will depend on how serious you take it. If you choose to be like me who never listened to this Isolation doctrine and went ahead to have friends who are not JWs, you will not feel isolated when you choose to Leave the religion. The isolation becomes worse if you have family that are JWs and you depend on them one way or the other. If you choose to leave, your family will avoid you as their doctrine demands.

Nice one brother. This is a very necessary thread. You're on point.

LordReed:
That your godhas healed amputees.

I don't have a god. I made no such claims.

LordReed:
Times without number that you cannot show evidence for.

You made a claim you show evidence for it. Its that simple.

What claim did I make please?

jaephoenix:
Lol. AI doesn't do religious debates. Besides I saw the chat, the AI simply says that its programming doesn't cover that aspect of knowledge, like religion. Same stuff I have been drumming into your thick skull

You should bring up the screenshot of the chat you saw to prove that was what AI said to me. No stories please.

LordReed:
The comedian here is you. Show me evidence of your god healing amputees instead you start waffling all sorts.

Yeah, if ever your god ever manages to pull his head out of his arse to heal an amputee I wouldn't be an atheist. But we both know that is never going to happen but you just happen to like lying to yourself.

It has happened times without number. It only never happened in your head. Go make indepth research and stop reading the wrong books and articles.

I don't have any reason to convince you or prove anything to you. Who cares whether you remain an atheist or a dog? Who are you by the way?

LordReed:
What did you say about me?

The only "miracle" i have been talking about is restoration of amputee limbs so which miracle are not going to argue with about again apart from the one I was talking about?

Did I ask you about any other thing apart from amputees being restored? Why then are you making reference to something else when responding to me?

Lol. You must be a comedian.

So, only amputee miracles is what would make you believe in God? All.other miracles are irrelevant? Clap for yourself.

And what other things did I direct you to or made reference to with you that you're talking about?

LordReed:
You have personally witnessed an amputee being healed? Who is the liar now. LoLz.

You just justified what I said about you guy.

Where did I say I have witnessed an amputee being healed? And who ever said
amputee healings are the only miracles God does?

LordReed:
Well then link me to before and after pictures, let's see.

Search for Kathryn Khulman now. She's not the only one God has used in that capacity.

Use the search words in the screenshot below and watch videos.

I don't have time to be arguing with atheists on miracles that I have personally witnessed on a large scale. I've not witnessed amputees but I have witnessed large scale miracles. Don't have time for useless arguments.