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LordReed:
That's why I want your god to vividly demonstrate by giving amputees back their missing limbs. Surely this fabled creator of the universe cannot be stumped by such a relatively trivial miracle.

You actually don't deserve an answer. Check the news and find out if such things have never happened in Christendom.

Gabrielshow24:
I will prefer to debate mathematicians than these wannabe "Atheists" most of them are not structurally sound.

Absolutely correct my brother. 2 days ago I came to a conclusion that there must be a mental defect in a person's brains for such an one to claim that there is no God. And in my day to day arguments with them, I usually find them mentally unsound and intellectually deficient.

Like, how can a mentally sound human being conclude that a person has forced AI to say he is right, he then came to the open to debate humans after forcing AI? Even a psychiatric patient wouldn't reason like that. And, let's not talk about the many blunders they make like another one saying discussions on creationism are religious discussions. Are these guys educated at all?

Filled with false statements.
My brother you have done a great job.

Some of them can be very honest while debating with you. I know of two of them who are perpetual liars. One lies and create threads based on falsehood. He is not on this thread. The other one would use lies and insults to debate you. He's on this thread. It was on this thread I found a third, or may I say that I eventually confirmed a third. He drinks lies like water. This thread is my second time of meeting him and it was a meeting with lies, just as the first meeting.

This is one of the reasons I think atheism is a religion. There are those others who wouldn't argue with you based on lies but they'll defend and rally round the lies of the ones who do. And there's virtually nothing you can use to convince this people. Not even a vividly demonstrated miracle. They'll remain atheists nonetheless. They're actually fanatical about their atheism. It's a religion. They even go on active campaigns to de-convert others, mostly targeting Christians. In fact, if you share a testimony of a divine miracle you had on this platform they'll swam in like flies on the thread to make everyone disbelieve youri testimony. You'll see a pattern of them actively working to make everyone an atheist. They're agents. They know what they're doing. Atheism is a religion of idiocy and disbelief in the existence of the Almighty God. It's not just a mere disbelief. It's an active spiritual business.

Keep up the good work.
Educating these children is not easy!🤧

I wonder what other ancient historical documents Jae and the likes will bring seeing that their "eluma elish" did nothing to avail them!

Thanks very much brother. We'll keep making sure that the truth continues to be heard on this platform in spite of the armies of Satan spreading various falsehoods here. I must commend your good works of putting them to shame on this thread.

There's no ancient text they can bring. They're liars. Pure liars. For example, you'll hear atheists say that the 10 commandments were plagiarized from a list of commandments written thousands of years before Moses by Hammurabi. If you do your findings and compare both texts, you'll not find any similarity between the texts. But by mere propaganda, they seek to steal away the hearts of those who wouldn't bother to confirm the truth. Atheism thrives on lies and only lies without sound logic.

kingxsamz:
It's just hilarious remembering that day. How you came here beating your chest like a gorilla because you got a chat bot to admit you're right. 😂

Oh, thank you. I also got a kingxsamz too to admit that I'm right.

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, you won't even all or even most of all the prominent atheists engage in other threads inviting atheists to discuss. We are busy folks too. Besides you won't see all the prominent theists(whether christian or muslim) in threads inviting theists to engage.
2. Even chatgpt showed you that creationism is religious topic, and you are here spewing trash

1. My friend, I know those who MUST always engage me whenever I create such threads. You're one of them. Hopefullandlord is not one of them. He has not featured prominently in debates with me. Why only you?

2. Meta AI, not Chatgpt. It said creationism is not exclusively a religious topic, it all depends on the angle taken on its discussion. It was a purely scientific debate. That's why no reference to God was made. The question is "Was the world created or did it evolve?" How's that religiious?

Screenshot again:

jaephoenix:
1.Lol. What are the properties of prominent atheists? I have been an atheist on NL for 10 years, hopefulLandlord has been here older than me, and we both contributed. So what are you on about?
2. So talking about creationism isnt a religious topic? What is the definition of creationism? Lol. Youre dvmber than I thought

1. I said "Most of the prominent atheists." Did I say all of them? Out of all the prominent atheists that rush into debates on this forum, only you and hopefullandlord appeared. I didn't even know Jessicarabbit until that day when she mentioned me on that thread. So, I don't see her as a Nairaland prominent atheist. So, am I not right? Only two atheists among all the known prominent atheists on this forum responded. I didn't know kingxamz too until that day.

2. Is creationism exclusively a religious topic? You mean even when it is debated in academia, they're discussing religion? You still added your regular insults in your folly. Well, if the screenshot below doesn't school you, I wonder what will.

kingxsamz:
Oh, I remember now. You're the niggah who debated chatgpt and forced it to acknowledge your argument as superior. You screenshotted the convo and then brought it here to rejoice and celebrate. 😂
Very pathetic stuff.

Oh oh oh, this your assertion is arrant nonesense. When I brought it here, did I force you too to acknowledge my argument as superior? Can you post the screenshot to prove the forceful acknowledgement?

Were you not the one who was denying that the topic had nothing to do with atheism? What's this forceful acknowledgement now all about?

jaephoenix:
… and you also shot yourself in the foot by proving many atheists debated you on that thread, that we didn’t avoid it.
Btw, how can you debate with an AI when AIs aren't programmed to do religious, political arguments? They would simply back off. We pointed out that lie to you that AI devs and programmers dont input any religious stuff into AI to avoid annoying people. That's why we didn't believe that lie

I said most of the prominent atheists on this forum avoided the thread. Then, I mentioned that some made attempts without mentioning their names. How did I shoot myself in the foot?

I didn't debate AI on religious stuff. I only told AI to prove the theory of evolution to me against creation, then, I debated it. It presented very intelligent arguments which i countered until it succumbed. It was more of an academic argument than religious. We didn't mention any God or made reference to any deity. After AI failed, I decided to bring the debates to humans. That's what I did.

jaephoenix:
1. Mr. Liar, both of us have already referred the readers to the thread to check for the truth if they can
2. First things first, are the screenshots true or lies, and you know I can't post all the posts o made there, since they were many, and we are limited to only 4 pics. Remember you lied that atheists avoided the thread.
3. Judas1X showed us a screenshot where he discovered your posts especially the ones you were replying hopefulLandlord are AI generated. His post is the first screenshot I sent. This is the link for anyone who cares to check
https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/8#131678562

4. The next screenshot is where he(Judas1X) was roasting u

5. Next screenshot was hopefulLandlord's reply when he read Judas1X's post that u used AI

6. Then hopefulLandlord found out your OP was still AI generated.
This is the link to his comment
thttps://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/8#131679531
And the last screenshot showed it

As ya'll can see, this man is a born liar.
About Jessica, she told you clear that she doesn't want a Nairaland debate which would be muddled by other commenters but a one on one. And I see reason with her. A one on one would allow each of you to lay your points out without interruptions. And we would be viewers only. But you got scared and dodged it

You would have done well to add my response if you were truthful. But you in your mischief brought the accusations of the accusers without the response of the accused to justify the accusers. How does an accusation prove anything if the response to the accusation is not included in the presentation.

I mentioned on the thread that I had first debated AI and that I defeated the AI in the debate before bringing it to the forum. The thoughts presented on that thread are purely mine but if you don't believe, then you can prove AI wrong. Did any of you succeeded in proving the thoughts wrong whether they were written by me or AI? No! So, bringing a false narrative here won't work on intelligent readers.

At least I have successfully debunked your lies about me running away from the thread. Every thinking reader knows that you lied in one, hence you could have lied also in all. Let the readers judge who is lying by the evidences on the actual thread. I will not argue with you!

jaephoenix:
1. I specifically asked you questions based on your post but you never replied. You then dabbled into insults. You guys can see the screenshots of the posts I made and the ones I pointed out one of your numerous lies there.
All this after he said all atheists avoided the thread and only an agnostic engaged him

2. JessicaRabbit asked you to do a one-on-one debate, and nominate an unbiased ref. You dodged that one and ran.
This was her post
https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/1#131653562

3. So which was it? You lied that it was your thought til JudasX or somebody else showed us that it was a chatgpt output
And you're again lying again

4. Yes readers can check. All the atheists there were laughing at your lying and dishonest ass.
Its unfortunate I can only show 4 screenshots, I would have showed all the posts we were laughing at you.
So where did I lie?

Your penchant for lying is very appalling. Why do you want to establish a false narrative on this thread? If you're sure of yourself, you'll refer the reader to the evidence as I have done.

Posting selective screenshots won't help you. Some atheists tried to derail the thread bringing accusations that the argument was from AI which was untrue. But I still posited that even if it is AI, they should prove the AI wrong, they couldn't. They then resorted to another lie that I ran away from. Jessicarabbit which was also false. Rather than addressing the matter they couldn't, they were just beating around the bush, only wigrea7 an agnostic attempted a counterargument but he couldn't counter the argument.

While other atheists in a show of mobility have decided not to respond to me on this thread rather than use lies to defend falsehood - they ignored my post on this thread to avoid lying. I already know from onset that you're the only dishonest atheist that would respond to me and that you'll do your best to cook up lies to defend your false position. And, true to my expectations, you didn't disappoint. I have known of many noble atheists on this forum who actually try very much to be honest in their discussions but you jaephoenix is not one of them.

As I said, no need to argue with a liar when the hearers can always verify the truth from the available evidence? You know your onions well when lying, as lying is actually your forte. But the truth is on the actual thread. Don't try to force your lies on people on this thread. Refer them to the actual thread for verification instead!

Let the reader follow through on the selective link you posted, they'll eventually discover that you're a liar!

This link below goes to my last discussion with Jessicarabbit to which she never responded. Please give me her last response to my mentions to which I did not reply and ran away:

This was my last discussion with her:

https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists/6#131664781

Kindly provide me her response to that my mention above to which I did not respond. This has been attached below in screenshots. This is the only way you can prove I ran away. Nothing else will suffice.

I urge the readers to ignore the two of us on this thread and go to the actual thread to verify the truth for themselves.

jaephoenix:
I know you're a bumbling dishonest dude but I didn’t know its this terrible.
That thread was fully populated and analysed by many atheists, namely my humble self, hopefulLandlord, Judas1X,kingxsamz and the admirable lady JessicaRabbit. She even invited you to an online debate which you ran away from with your tail between your fearful legs. You couldn't even understand basic concepts from your posts. And to make matters worse, you kept on lying your way through the thread. You pointedly denied points in your posts. You initially lied that you are the original poster but we found out your lie that it was AI. Then you started ignoring points.
See bro, your life is so incredible with lies. Pretend to be honest for once

Why are you lying? I've always known you to be very dishonest but I don't need to argue with you.

1. Everyone can verify the thread to see the atheists who responded there. You're the one I referenced who was dotting about on the thread without addressing the matter at hand.

2. Did I run away from Jessicarabbit or Jessicarabbit was the one who ran away? The thread is there for the reader to verify. It was a false accusation at best just because I was absent online for less than a 24hr period. Did Jessicarabbit respond to me anymore on that thread? Let the reader verify.

3. Is the argument my own thoughts or that of AI? The matter was raised on the thread and it was debunked. The reader can verify the truth on that thread. I don't need to argue with you.

You in particular of all the atheists on this forum lack decorum. You do not respect people in debates. You are also a chronic liar. Readers can just go on the thread and verify your claims. No need to be arguing because the evidences are all on the thread!

It's of no use arguing with liars to prove the truth, just direct your hearers to the evidence.

There has been no single atheist to refute the claims made on this thread.

Atheists should just give up and embrace the fact that there is a Creator behind these universe of ours!

TruthofGod:
Atheism is the most irrational, illogical nonsense. In rejecting the logical reality of God, the atheist has blind faith in a causeless universe where matter, energy, time and space came from literal nothingness. This isn't just blind faith in an unscientific premise, it's belief in magic.

You simply cannot get something from nothing and what's more, atheists think their blind faith in something from nothingness isn't a contradiction. After all, if everything can come from nothingness, then under the "logic" of the atheist, God can come from nothing too. Atheism is self refuting.

However, the theist position isn't to support something from nothingness. Rather, the theist position is that God is eternal and this is in agreement with all the logic of the Prime Mover argument which is backed by scientific principles such as causality. Ultimately there had to be an eternal source at the beginning from which everything else proceeded from. This is simply logic.

Logic agrees with theism, whereas atheism is based on mere fantasising and denial of scientific and logical principles.

There a thread here in the link below that completely destroys their concept of how the universe came to exist. All the prominent atheists on this forum avoided the thread like a plague. The only atheist that attempted the challenge was just dotting all over the place addressing issues that were never raised. Only one agnostic made an effort to rescue the atheists but he failed woefully too as he could not address the matter headlong. He was found beating around the bush and using a lot of fallacies that eventually put him in trouble. He had to abandon the thread too and run for dear life.

It was there I understood that atheism is a religion of some sort, not in the usual way religion is imagined but in a very idiotic paradigm. It's a religion of idiocy for the losers and frustrated individuals of this world. They're so fanatical about atheism that even obvious truths won't change their minds. How can any sane adult say he has never experienced the spiritual in his life? I can't just understand. They first interpret their past and present spiritual experiences as illusions, then dismiss them as an unreal experience before lying to themselves that spirituality does not exist. The thread I referenced is here:
https://www.nairaland.com/8193100/completely-destroys-atheism-renders-atheists

TruthofGod:
Atheism is the most irrational, illogical nonsense. In rejecting the logical reality of God, the atheist has blind faith in a causeless universe where matter, energy, time and space came from literal nothingness. This isn't just blind faith in an unscientific premise, it's belief in magic.

You simply cannot get something from nothing and what's more, atheists think their blind faith in something from nothingness isn't a contradiction. After all, if everything can come from nothingness, then under the "logic" of the atheist, God can come from nothing too. Atheism is self refuting.

However, the theist position isn't to support something from nothingness. Rather, the theist position is that God is eternal and this is in agreement with all the logic of the Prime Mover argument which is backed by scientific principles such as causality. Ultimately there had to be an eternal source at the beginning from which everything else proceeded from. This is simply logic.

Logic agrees with theism, whereas atheism is based on mere fantasising and denial of scientific and logical principles.

Let's see how they'll respond.

The guys have an incurable aversion towards the truth.

AntiChristian:
Get there first!
Admit you lied sha!

Na so all of you dey do!

You lie and then behave as if nothing happened!
You can even accuse us of being the liar!

So, am I the one who wrote this verse below? You wouldn't cease to amaze us with your lying prowess.

"One who dies as a martyr will receive six blessings from Allah: he will be forgiven from the moment his blood is shed, he will see his place in Paradise, he will be saved from the punishment of the grave, he will be safe from the Great Fright, he will wear the garment of faith, and he will marry seventy-two of the Houri (beautiful maidens of Paradise)."

[Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 3, Hadith 1663; Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 5, Hadith 2795]

AntiChristian:
Quote the verse liar!

Mtcheww.

Liar liar song that no one cares about anybody. It has become your logo to shout liar even when the truth is already everywhere.

AntiChristian:
There'll be wives in Paradise. That's clear.

Show us where you see 72 virgins in any sound report or admit you lied?

It's okay.

Keep denying your eagle eyed virgins. Lol.

There'll be no wives in paradise dear. You won't believe so as I said, heaven will shock many people especially Muslims.

AntiChristian:
Give us the evidence of the 72 virgins you claim we are promised?

This is just one of your Christian lies inspired by the un-Holy devil.

So, you were not promised any 72 virgins? You no even get shame. Why were you basking in the euphoria of that untoward promise sometime ago?

AntiChristian:
Where is the abuse? You having nothing upstairs as regards what you are saying is justified.

I asked Can you quote any sound report on the 72 virgins you claimed?

But you couldn't answer. You'll rather wait for others to come help you!

When we get to Judgement then we'll see the reality!

Your question is irrelevant. I already told you I'm not here to argue with you. The 72 virgins of a paradise is common knowledge. You yourself once told me you'll be very happy to be in such a paradise. What are you now dodging? As I said, heaven will shock many people especially Muslims!

AntiChristian:
I'm afraid you have nothing upstairs!

Can you quote any sound report on the 72 virgins you claimed?

Jinns are creations apart from mankind and Angels with freewill. They are not called demons. They are like humans as they can be righteous or otherwise!

Look for the many deception in your book of revelations and others! They plenty from the visions probably from John when he was tortured in Patmos Prison and his eyes was seeing things!

Lol. It got to the level where you need to abuse me. It's pathetic my friend. I'm just telling you the truth. The pure truth. I tell you, heaven will shock many people, especially Muslims. All the lies you just spewed up there won't save you from eternal reality.

AntiChristian:
You sabi quote people! Wetin you don do for yourself?
All of you are just spreading the lies of Wood and co!

Na Yahweh got 32 virgins of war in Numbers 31. Don't be confused!

Are you afraid of me quoting people? Why are you livid? Did Allah not promise you 72 virgins in his paradise? Are some demons not Muslims? Your sins fall off as you bow in prayer, and you didn't see the deception in all these? Heaven will shock many people especially Muslims.

AntiChristian:
How can a lie be rebutted with lie? David Wood and others were skillful liars back then and you're simply following them.

See more lies! How many Arabic do you know? You'll pick it up directly without checking the meaning right? How directly are you picking? Cherry picker! You and your holy spirit are messed up!


Christianity is demon controlled! That's why you can't think straight and need the demon to help you! That's how a demon started Christianity by appearing to Paul as Jesus. Jesus said he will sent the comforter not that he will still appear to Paul again!

No sane Muslim kills for any virgins! This your scripts is stale. Face Yahweh and his 32 Virgins of war inherited in Numbers 31:40.

We believe in our texts and we disbelieve in yours! Revelations contains more weird items than sin falling off the neck! Thank you!

Okay, no need to argue with you. TenQ has already done a lot regarding your books, there's nowhere hr has been guilty of misinterpreting your Arabic. So, you don't enjoy 32 virgins again for killing for Allah. We've heard you.

Keep it up dear. At least you would join Mohammed where he is in the end. If only your eyes were open you would reject such a prayer.

AntiChristian:
Hmmm, typical Christian-ish! You think worst of everything!

Na so your life go be! Pessimist!

David Wood (and other Christian liars) that started the lies against Islam had all their rantings online of which had all be rebutted! You are all picking up from their lines! So we have all the rebuttals to all the lies on Islam!

Rebutted with Taquiyya? We'll pick direct content from your books without adding our own thoughts, yet you'll call us liars. Can't you see you're really messed up? Islam is satanic. It is just too obvious but Satan blinds, hence you cannot see the obvious lies you're holding on to. It is too obvious that Islam was created by Satan himself. That's why you have Muslim demons and your heaven is a heaven of sex. Can't you see? Honestly, you need to have a compromised mind to believe that you'll have 72 virgins in heaven for killing for God, and that some demons are worshippers of God, and that whenever you bow in prayer sins fall off your neck. Very absurd.

AntiChristian:
We have all the expositions already!

The one in this thread was spread by David Wood 13 years ago!
So we have them all!

You don't even get it at all!

Meaning you know all the lies already and you've already prepared the lying counters to defend the lies?

AntiChristian:
And we go dey get plenty rebuttals!

It's December again! Make we start reminding people of the idolatry of Christmas!

You see yourself?

You're preparing for rebuttals even when you're yet to see the expositions?

It shows that you're not all about the truth. You're all about religion, and the lies of the religion do not even matter.

TenQ:
And information abound in this religion of falsehood to even warn those captured by the spirit of islam that is leading them straight to hell BUT they wouldn't even try to open their eyes and be free

Please expose the information. Who knows what God would do in the lives of those who'll read the exposure?

TenQ:
Islam is the spirit of the Antichrist. Mohamed is one of the major antichrists to come. Unfortunately, the Antichrist must deceive people with the spirit of Satan.

This is why Islam need to be supported by falsehood and lies to stand

I agree totally!

Derek Prince actually preached a message on this Islam being a spirit of an antichrist. I've not listened to the message but I know it will be deep. Derek Prince has uncanny insight and depth of biblical teachings with utmost simplicity. I'll try and listen to the message.

Islam opposes anything that is called Christ. The Quran took away the true Jesus and inserted a false Jesus into a false religion to deceive the whole world.

SIRTee15:
A Christian brother called mightysparrow created a topic called Islam And It's Impacts On Modern Day Yoruba People.
Note This thread was created by a Christian and not a Muslim.
People will not believe that the topic has been moved to the islamic section where U have to say the Shahada before U can comment.

The question is why? How did a topic created by a Christian brother end up in the islamic section?.

The trend of the thread extended to whether Muhammed was killed by Allah because he was a false prophet.
I brought evidence from the hadith and Quran to support the assertion that Allah killed Muhammed by severing his aorta possibly because he was a false prophet.

No Muslim could refute my claim. All they yapping about was the so called richness of Arabic language and the pathophysiology of poison/aortic disease.

The challenge for muslims was why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

Next thing I noticed was they moved the topic to islamic section so that the topic could be killed.

If Muslims are embarrassed by their Prophet, that's their business not mine or any other Christian. But they shouldn't control a thread not created by them by bullying or intimidating moderators to move it to islamic section.

There was no blasphemous statement against Muhammed on the thread. Everything we Christians wrote was deducted from their books.

Above is criticism and not blasphemy. Muslims should learn the difference.
Criticising Muhammed is not the same as blasphemy against him.
Most matured Christians here don't even bother about mocking their prophet or anything like that. We simply point them to the truth in their own books which apparently Muslims don't like.

Muslims should stop behaving like cowards and learn to defend their prophet and their religion. If it's the truth, they should not be ashamed of it.

Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Here is what the argument is all about just to let all of u know this not a case of blasphemy or anything.

cc: MightySparrow TenQ ANTIlSLAM innotutorial FxMasterz advocatejare

That's the serious problem about these people. They're just concerned about defending Mohammed and not their own souls. Just as they're concerned about having more Muslims on earth, not about more people making heaven and escaping hell.

They neglect their eternal destination and defend every falsehood of Islam. I don't know what their hope really is?

Can't they see that if Mohammed is false, then his followers are damned? Should serving God be about defending religion or about establishing the truth?

Explore2xmore:
For someone who isn't scared, embarrassed and feigning medical expertise by mumbo jombo identity the different words for:

1. aorta in the Quran and hadith

2. Show medically how a single exposure to food poisoning will kill the victim years after without showing any ailment except shortly before death.

It is medically improbable that prophet Muhammad pbuh died directly from food poisoning over three years after exposure to the toxin

Forget about the food poisoning. Allah said he'll die by his aorta being cut off if he was a false prophet. And that's exactly how he died. He himself cried that he felt his aorta being cut off.

Who cares about the food poisoning that led to his death. Our concern is that his aorta was cut off. He himself said it. And that's how Allah said he'll die if he were a false prophet.

Biggeststar01:
As far as I’m concerned, both your arguments (you and the OP) are baseless.

But that’s not why I decided to quote you. I would like to know the “dark magic” you had experienced that made you so cocksure that magic is real. If you don’t mind me asking.

Up till today, you could not prove the baselessness of the argument. You think you would just should "baseless" and then it would become baseless?

Atheism is foolishness and stupidity combined. I'm preparing another thread with another strong argument that destroys atheism. Just wait for it.

achorladey:
Gbam! Once they are caught up in their notorious acts and ways, the next step is to point fingers at others or drag others into their notorious mode of operation of abusing, insulting and labelling people with all sorts of name simply they don't accept what they called truth which are exposed as lies and manipulations packed into their brains by the now 11 Gods of men housed in USA.

FxMasterz come and see something

He made a fantastic point. That was what I eventually discovered after I challenged you. You truly don't abuse them, you simply tell them what their brains peddle according to their own words. The JWs are just a filthy lot with very abusive tendencies, yet they're the best of performers.

Corporate2020:
These are just formalities

I doubt it. They wield a lot of influence on Australia.

Wow, I never knew Australia was still tied to the British monarchy like that! It's interesting to see how they're balancing their independence with historical ties.

I wonder, though, how much influence the British monarch really has in Australia's daily governance? Is it more symbolic or are there actual instances where the monarch's input affects policy?

I do not think most Australians are okay with the current arrangement. They probably want a full break from the monarchy? I have seen a video on YouTube where a member of the Australian Parliament was shouting at King Charles on the podium

"You're not our king!"

Link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBaYN_5A4_E