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Gabrielshow24:
Now first of all, are you are a messenger of God?
This is pride syndrome. One thing I know for sure is that every object comes with it's own manual never for once have I seen a LG TV come with a Samsung manual but does it mean that a Samsung manual doesn't exist? Jesus said "how can I tell you of heavenly things when earthly matters you are still lacking" the bible is well adept at giving you what is sufficient. If it wasn't mentioned in the bible that Angels ate many will still be of a different opinion how many more things do you know Angels have? don't mistake God visiting/checking up on his children as a form of filling something that is missing and for a matter of fact he didn't stay totally with them, he came and left🤔, which means he still went back to where? What's now the fuss about? What exactly do you know the fallen angels did that warranted they be cast out? Do you know the hidden details? Have you for once thought how they planned to achieve their goals? Actions they took? Learn to see things from the bigger picture. Angels are spirits they exist in the form they were made even till now but you and I are flesh. In the beginning God said all that he made were good, is it so now? Is that same man good? From this you see that as regards the flesh it is by its fruits that we quality it but as regards the spirit it is as it is that it earns it qualification; why do think Job wished he were not born? Spirit and flesh are two different things.

There's no pride in stating the facts as they are in scripture. I even supported my position with three relevant scriptures references which you ignored. Angels are ministers. That is messengers. That's all.

God created man in His own image and likeness for a reason - Fellowship and punishment for Satan.

Each angel is created for a specific duty. Angels of war for war. Message bearing angels for messages. Worship angels for worship. Covering angels for coverings. Etc.

Man died keep his state because he fell as a result of sin. The angels that fell as a result of sin didn't keep their states either.

God's initial program was for Him to be God in heaven and for man His image to be lord on earth.

Hebrews 1:14

"Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation."

You might do well to read the whole Hebrews 1 and 2 to understand these facts.

Gabrielshow24:
You still missed a vital point. Imagine you were alone on a remote Island, do you expect anything from anybody? What type of mentality do you think you will have? Instead you make and build things with your hands. Now take this a step higher Imagine being alone without nothing and even higher without time and space, only you in existence what mentality do you think you will have? now you have to create space, dividends of time, objects etc) . Your mentality will be of service cause you can't receive from anyone(objects) because in fact you made them. Hence anyone that wants to be like God must have a mentality of service, as far as Heaven is to earth Jesus told his disciples he that must be the greatest (chiefest) among you must serve the rest. I don't imagine Angels seeing God working and not work. Just remember that "Just because you were sent to bring baby food for your brother doesn't mean he is greater than you" but at the moment he is the one that needs the help. Angels don't need that help infact what can you do for an Angel? you are the one that needs the help and Angels offer the little help they can. This illusory effect is well exemplified in the statement "the Child is the father of the man". Now if Christ(Jesus) is the Tree of life, what does the bible say about this tree? That we men were grafted unto it, does that negate the fact that there are branches beforehand on the tree? And if there are? What then are these branches? Angels are not servants neither is man in heaven. There is no pride in the habitation of God hence your esteem is based on the service you can render to others. In Ezekiel the cherub moved wheresoever the Omni wheel move also the bible says as many as are led of God are called the sons of God. Do you see the correlation? We are all part of the branches of the Tree of life; there is no objective way to say this branch is better than this branch except by the fruits.

Smiling.

Even the word 'angel' means messenger. I don't know what you're hitting at actually.

Angels are actually servants created for specific duties.

Men will reign with Christ forever. Angels would serve as messengers forever. That's the Bible.

Angels are not a branch of the tree of life. They have nothing to do with it. Christ didn't become an angel, He became a man. Christ didn't die for angels. He died for man.

DaddyCoool:
I won't say you're talking nonsense, but I believe it is better tto say that's just how things are than to lie or give ridiculous explanations. Reminds me of the guy who kept insisting there are no inconsistencies in the Bible.

Maybe I would have to leave you to yourself before you start abusing me. I have read the Bible over and over, times without number and I'm telling you things that are clearly seen in scripture. I can give you scripture references for all my points. Rather than ask questions, you want to say I am talking nonesense because you think everyone is as limited in biblical knowledge as yourself.

Can you please explain exactly how man rules over Satan and stronger. In what way??

Can you please show me where I said man rules over Satan?

Please go back to what I said. That's what God created man for, and that's what Satan attacked.

Remember God created man to NOT have knowledge which Satan already had. And the day he ate the fruit that would impart that knowledge he would die (which Satan already ate and wasn't dying). And after they ate the fruit they were banished so they wouldn't eat life fruit and "become like us" (immortal), which Satan already was. Also, Satan tempted Christ with giving him the world, our world!

This is now a deviation from the original questions asked which I already answered.

God said man would die if he ate the fruit, and that's it exactly. Man died. Two types of death came to man because of the fruit.

1. Spiritual death - a disconnection from God and the loss of God's Glory.

2. Physical death: Man was originally created on earth as an eternal being. Death came because of the fruit. This is why God sent man out of the garden: the man having eaten the forbidden fruits now has the knowledge for evil tendencies - crime and all forms of abominations. He is also now prone to sicknesses and sufferings which were not part of him initially. God didn't want man to live eternally in this state, so, in order to block their access to the tree of life (their regular meal that could restore immortality), God had to send man out of the garden and even place angels with swords in the garden of Eden to guide against any attempt for man to come for the tree of life and restore his immortality (Genesis 3:24).

Satan owns the world because it was delivered to him by Adam. Adam was the god of this world (Psalm 115:16). Man was the owner of the world. As Satan said to Jesus "...it was delivered to me, and I can give it to whosoever I will." Adam was the one who delivered it through disobedience. The dominion Adam had in Genesis 1:26-28 departed from Adam and became Satan's after the fall. Adam was the original lord of this world.

Also explain the "fellowship and communion" that angels can't give but man can. While at it also explain how man is superior to angels.
See, told ya, you can’t reason these things with ridiculously limited human logic!

Once you come into Christ, the first thing you receive as a new believer is the restoration of fellowship.

Did you not read in Genesis that God came at the cool of the day to visit Adam and Eve? (Genesis 3:8-10). What was He coming to do? Fellowship and communion of course. He came to earth to enjoy something that was not available to Him in heaven. Have you ever read in the Bible where God has fellowship or communion with angels? You can show me a verse if you have one. Angels are just MESSENGERS. No more, no less. Infact, the meaning of the word 'angel' is messanger. They were created for specific duties only. Fellowship and relationship is not among. God doesn't have any familial relationship with angels as He does with man. Angels are constantly on errands by a word of command from God. God said to mam "Come, let us reason together." Isaiah 1:18. God never reasons together with angels. He simply commands them. There's no such relationship between God and angels to make them reason together. If an angel disobeys God, he is instantly cast out of God's presence without any remedy. If a man disobeys God, the case is different. God will reason it out with him and bring him to see reasons for obedience. He may chastise him or do whatever He can to bring him back. If the man repents, God receives him again after a brief discussion. Reasoning together is a form of fellowship as well.

1 John 1:13
"We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ."

Gabrielshow24:
You have a point but I wouldn't say man is an improvement over angels that's far fetched. The devil is a lesson to the whole of creation, the major plot of the story was that he wanted to overthrow God believe it or not that's an high treason and as a result God has set him and his angels as the least of all creation ideally that's the plan of God but in reality this is not so. Don't forget by his power he pulled down 1/3 of the stars of heaven what happened to the 2/3 they were not moved(they stood with God) that's why they have crowns upon their heads and He covers them with his glory, now it's our turn he(devil) has come to us with great anger but are we really overcoming him? That's why revelation 12:11 says "and they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony therefore they loved not their souls unto death". Angels have done their part in heaven now it's time to do yours and by the way where do they say Angels are? And where are you presently? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling! First win an Olympic Gold medal before you start saying you are better than an Olympic Gold medalist! [color=#006600][/color]

Thanks very much. I understand your points. My saying man was an improvement on angels, I meant God's original intention. God actually created man majorly for fellowship and as a punishment for Satan. That's why only man can enjoy God's visitation. Only man can have God's Son dying for him. Only man can be possessed by the Spirit of God. Hebrews 1:14 says angels are our ministering spirits. Angels are servants in heaven while men are rulers. They're counted as sons. Jesus went back to heaven as a man to represent man on the throne of heaven. Angels have no such representation. Angels were the first to sin and fall, but God provided remedy to man alone. Man shall reign with Christ forever and ever.

Though the word 'improvement' isn't the right word but I was trying to use it to draw a parallel with what he said about angels.

DaddyCoool:
Your talk is laughable. Why can't omnipotent God simply destroy a devil he created? Who made a law saying He had to wait??

Yeah, things really can't be reasoned with man's limited reasoning. However some of these things still have logical explanations. When talking to unbelievers, it's not best to tell them things cannot be reasoned with human reasoning. Instead, you offer explanations they can easily relate with.

Logic would not completely answer all the questions but it can provide some basic understanding of things.

Omnipotent God CAN destroy the devil He created. He has DECIDED to do that at a latter time. He has the right to do things according to His decisions. He doesn't owe us an explanation for making such decisions but as a human I believe that God is giving Satan a long rope to pull - giving him all the time to repent. He is still God's creation. God loves all His creations nonetheless and does not want to destroy any.

There's no law saying He has to wait. It's His own personal decision, and you cannot know better than Him.

Cars were an improvement over horses of course (laughable). Compare to unchanging God suddenly changing and start creating problem-prone man with attendant wars with a devil he created and can simply destroy!
Told u these things can't be reasoned with man's EXTREMELY limited reasoning

The same way humans were an improvement on angels. They were created in God's image and had been useful in terms of fellowship and communion with God. First, God wanted fellowship and communion which angels couldn't provide, hence He created man.

Secondly, He created man purposely to humiliate the devil. Without knowing the very purpose for which
God created man, you'll ask irrelevant questions and still consider yourself intelligent.

After Satan rebelled by wanting to overthrow and rule over God, God created this dust in His image and set this dust over the rebellious archangel. This plan of dust ruling over the fallen archangel was what made the devil to attack man and snatch away the dominion. The punishment was to much for him to swallow. He couldn't hear to be so debased. Otherwise, Satan wouldn't have had any business with man. This is the singular reason why Satan hates man so much. Again, you must know the purpose and the reason why Satan hates man for you to understand why he has distributed so much evils in the world.

The wars and all the evils therein are a consequence of man's disobedience for which he must take responsibility. However, God has provided respite in Christ Jesus for those who would overcome the evil one.

If God destroyed Satan, His plan has been defeated. If God destroys the first 2 humans, His plans are defeated as well because in both scenarios, dust cannot rule over Satan as planned. Satan thus gets the victory.

DaddyCoool:
Articulate but flawed. That's what happens when you try to apply extremely limited human logic to things of God. Where did the someone (devil) come from? Who created him and why is he indestructible?

Devil was not created as devil. He became one. Devil is not indestructible. His time is already prophesied.

Why weren't the robots made with the correction consciousness already installed?

There's a correction consciousness. That's why they hid themselves. They knew something was wrong.

Or, once it was discovered they had gone bad, why not destroy the original two that started everything instead of going to all that trouble?

God cannot be defeated. That's exactly what the corrupter wanted God to do, so that God's original purpose can be defeated. God will prove to the corrupter that He can still fulfil His original purpose without destroying the corrupted robots even though the robots are bad.

Then the ultimate question, why suddenly start building robots at all with all the attendant headahes, when you were doing just fine without them?! WeirdAlien

Why did man suddenly create himself a car when he was already doing just fine with horses?

GorillaApp:
i can see you are some of the few f00ls these merchants on the pulpits have taken their touch for genuine knowledge of the things of God away, i repeat again, no pastor needs a private a private jet. forget all the bvllshit you are spewing from your mouth. ask yourself one critical question, if Jesus was to happen on our world today like he did years ago, will he get a private jet? why didn't he travel with fine horses and chariots in his time. didn't he have so many places to go or things to do in far flung places on earth? who are and your pastors emulating?
do they need to travel by planes? yes. do they need private jets? no! why? because there are more important things to do with the money. touching lives and helping rhe poor is more important than flying private jets, that's what Jesus would do, help the poor.
dont quote me again in your ignorance

Ignorant gorilla. You know you've lost the argument! Apologize for your errors!

Jesus was sent only to Israel. He had no need to travel around 172 nations like these people do. Yes, Jesus told us we would do.greater works (in scope as He had only 3 years of ministry) than himself. Paul travelled only few nations and had to constantly be in ships. Even Jesus Christ used boats between states and suburbs.

Go and sit down!

WeirdAlien:
I can certainly help you with this! Using your robot analogy.



You (God) made intelligent robots (humans), gave them free will to learn, act and react. Someone (devil) corrupted their software (nature). They started behaving differently. Now the robots can produce new robots on their own (reproduction) - but all have their software corrupted (sinful nature). You gave them rules to follow (law) but they always failed.
You handpicked one relatively well behaved robot (Mary) at the production line, and through it, you installed your own personality software into a brand new robot (Jesus) in the production line - this uncorrupted robot is you because its software is your very own consciousness (God).
Through this special robot, other corrupted ones were able to connect to its private network and gradually download your consciousness in it into themselves (becoming sons of God), gradually cleansing them. Though they killed it (crucifixion), its software now runs in a cloud server that can network every robot on earth via a VPN software (Holy Spirit), feeding them your consciousness.

Very articulate analogy.

GorillaApp:
so all their movement is on invitation. you are just plain stewpid

You're stupider than I thought.

If invitations alone take so much of their time, your empty head has not considered conflict resolutions in various countries where they have branches, crusades in various nations, friends, ordinations and church commissioning in various nations, etc in addition to invitations. You're just too empty headed.

achorladey:
Their religious publications states..............

........ Watchtower w09 11/15 pp. 13-17


Can you see NEVER CHALLENGE. That's the battle members face when they tell them the logo of Nairaland is black. They just have to follow and say it is black even when their GODS have never been to nairaland.com to see that it is indeed green and despite members who have been to the platform knowing that it is green. To maintain unity in lies and protect Jehovah's name they should never challenge those GODS of men housed in USA.

cc: FxMasterz

This is the more reason why the organization is actually a cult.

Lucifyre:
How ironic.
What happens during show and tell day in ur kids schools? When they ask you what you do, do you tell them you're an IT specialist😏. What do you tell them your job revolves around? I'm sure the kids and their mom won't even let you know about it, so you don't disgrace em like you doing here, having been a fool at 40 and all, since it's foolishness for life. How sad 🥺. My spells must certainly be working then for your christ like virtues to have disappeared into thin air and devolved into slinging with an 'atheist'. What would Jesus do?! Damn, last i checked you were even a pastor in winners, couldn't even practice what you so hardly defend. As hypocritical, daft and useless as your specialist skills. Get your act together before the kids drop you from the pedestal they put you on. That's if their mom doesn't leave you first, you know she's thinking about it having to deal with an oaf, day in day out. I'ld like to hear you preach Jesus from that mouth 🤣 Agbaya.

You think I'll read all these useless texts from an empty head? I have better things to do with my time!

Lucifyre:
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Ur kids would be embarrassed to call you their father outside. What a clown.

You slowpoke!

Your parents are already tired of trying to help your empty head. Your low IQ must have been an embarrassment to your family. And you're not even ashamed. SMH.

Lucifyre:
Now let me show you why you're a mor.on, i even gave you analogies, didn't even know you were that dumb not to even get it. You're an expert in mental gymnastics so I'd like to see how u'd spin this one. How can you say you didn't use a prompt when a prompt is the text input or query you gave the AI model to elicit a response. What kind of daft IT specialist makes such a basic mess up and insists on it. Nah... Who even calls themselves an 'IT Specialist'. Typical theist, loud and empty, no suprise you don't know how stupid it sounds to say you defeated AI and i'm sure as fvck your comprehension skills are terrible with the posts to support your claim. Go sit in the corner abeg, you are not it.

You're a blockhead. Do I even need to clarify myself to an empty head like yours?

There was a mention to which I supplied two responses - two responses for the same mention. I already know they you've sacrificed your brains to Satan, so there's nothing inside it other than sand.

Two responses were given to the same mention. AI was used to fine-tune one, while the other was not fine-tuned.

How can any sane person not see that, and then report mischievously that I used AI? Is that not extreme stupidity?

You disgusting moronic filthy witch.

achorladey:
Coming from the fact that the mode of operation of Muslim is not too far from their own too.

Absolutely correct.

Fine conducts and good works are actually the same thing.

Lucifyre:
This is fun. The fvcking irony. Can you in short clear n concise terms say why i'm the blockhead and not you sir?;🥺

Of course you are. Without understanding my context, you can't jump into conclusions!

Lucifyre:
He said it again 🤣🤣🤣🤣

What a mor.on!! He still doesn't get it. I didn't drink Fanta, i only drank Soda..🤡🤡🤡

What a blockhead!

Lucifyre:
Is this you bruhh?!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
With ur Antecedents in Academia... i can see that 🤡
See who i dey even follow argue... Did you even read what you cited or are you too daft to see it. A fool at 40, man...

That statement is absolutely correct. I didn't use prompt in my debate.

achorladey:
That I cannot answer. I can only avoid being in a position of being righteous like the pharisees over others

Yeah, that's it. What I'm saying is that they reject prayers from Christians and accept prayers from their fellow cultists.

I have observed that Max in particular would support Muslims against Christians any day in an argument. He prefers a Muslim to a Christian in my opinion. He'll rather have a Muslim praying for him that to allow you pray for him.

But we'll not stop praying for them. Both JWs and Muslims need prayers.

achorladey:
They can choose to live up to it the rules and regulations of their GODS of men housed in USA. At least that liar and manipulator knows he is peddling madness and insanities about the beliefs of his own religious organization.

May God help them! But how would God help them when they themselves reject the prayers of the saints but embrace the false supplications of devils?

Lucifyre:
Pls keep quiet lousy oaf, creating daft strawman arguments to tangent away from the main point. Ur lame switcheroo gimmicks would only work for those as obtuse as you. Like i told you earlier, you're not as educated as you think you are and what little education you think you got, yeilded very negligible results. Not only are you dense and a coward but also a massive hypocrite who cries foul when the same energy he gave is matched in return. It's not you i feel pity for, its the little ones who'd have to look up to your sorry ass excuse of a person as a role model, especially as its not like they had any choice in the matter.

Quit the lecturing bullcrap, everyone knows what AI is and its benefits, i basically use it every day at my job as do most, from writing to coding to designing to modelling. So to get lectured by someone who up until a few days ago when he got schooled, didn't even know what a prompt was is hilariously hilarious. That's the lamest attempt at a switcheroo I've witnessed. The issue was never AI but using it as a source/proof especially with its caveat as i've shown repeatedly(with the screenshots) but keeps flying over your empty head like air.

Let me educate ur myopic ass a little. If i make the claim that the church propagated geocentricism over heliocentrism and i'm asked for a reputable source as proof. I don't bring an AI chat or random youtube video or some sketchy site from some random google search or say its basically in every science textbook out there like some retards i know do. I simply drop something like this for them to check out:
When Science and Christianity Meet by David C. Lindberg,
Galileo and the Conflict between Religion and Science by Gregory W. Dawes. Simple! it could be a book, a journal, an article by a respected historian, scholar or scientist.

If you still can't get the gist then you're even more of a buffoon than i thought and that's not an insult. The AI you stupidly cited as your source gave me the opposite response to the same prompt which i attached in my screenshot and u want to use that as proof. Lol! Keep quiet and cite reputable sources since it's so common, and back up ur daft claims or go sit in the corner, sulk and drool like a retarded cunt. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house, hypocrite. Civil conversation my ass. Don't expect any better from someone who defers to a thing as dumb as truthspeaker stiildfool, to help him out in a debate he ended up running from like a coward.

I think you must be daft to even think I don't know what a prompt is. Lol. It's your audacity for me! So, you're the one to teach me what a prompt is even when I know what Prompt Engineering is. Perhaps you've never even heard of prompt engineering before. You arrogant little brat.

So, you use AI everyday even for writing and coding but cry foul and disparage AI because I used it here for one of my posts. Can't you see how pathetic you are? Your hypocrisy stinks to the high heavens.

You better tell the world that you asked the AI to reoeat what you've fed into it before it spewed that nonsense you claimed as contradictory. Someone who cannot draft a single grammatically sound post is trying to call herself somebody. Your low IQ is something your parents must have been worrying about. There's no single intelligence in any of your writings so far. You reason like a cock and yet consider yourself an intelligent kid. SMH. By my antecedents, both in Academia and outside of it, I'm not your equal. You can only brag and curse because that's all you know to do.

I have brought you evidence of ancient scientific belief that the world was flat - from Wikipedia and Britannica. What the world knew in those days was the product of the science of those days. They held on to that belief until empirical evidence disproved it. Before these times, as far as the days of Job, the Bible already confirmed that the earth was spherical.

Cosmology is a branch of science. And according to ancient cosmology, especially the near eastern cosmology, the earth was flat. This remained undisputed until Pythagoras, a Greek philosopher developed an hypothesis to disprove the notion in the 6th century BC.

You lying stinking brat, I never asked StillDtruth to help me out in any debate. Can you show the proof? Can you also prove that I ran away from that debate? You filthy thing!

I only enlisted StillDtruth to help me spot broken rules in the opponent's argument. Stinking brat said I asked him to help me out in a debate. And that was because he himself alerted me to the fact that the opponent was not a fair debater. Prove otherwise, you stinking blockhead.

Can you now also prove that I ran away from the said debate? I have been replying all mentions on the debate till the last mention yesternight. As for the fellow whom you said I ran away from, I was the one who mentioned her last, and up till today she has not replied since many days ago. So, who ran away? You useless, lying demon and damned little witch.

achorladey:
Further, we bring honor to the Son by taking upon ourselves his name, calling ourselves Christians, and then by living up to that name by our fine conduct. (Acts 11:26; 1 Peter 2:11, 12) The apostle Peter said that we should follow Jesus’ steps closely. (1 Peter 2:21) By thus imitating him in all our conduct, we also honor him. And certainly, when we annually celebrate the Memorial of Christ’s death, we accord him special honor.​—1 Corinthians 11:23-26.w91 2/1 pp. 15-19

MaxInDHouse: Those who bear the name CHRISTIAN does not belong to Jesus Christ.



cc: Emusan, FxMasterz, Courz

They even try to live up to that name by their "fine conducts", not by the help of the Holy Spirit. They obviously don't know what they're doing.

Lucifyre:
Oh my look whose calling someone ignorant, the so called IT specialist that doesn't know what a prompt is, "the defeater of AI", oh least i forget, slayer of atheists, you bro are the epitome of ignorant and irony. One just needs to go through and peruse your comment history to observe for themselves. Knew you were dense right off the bat from my first discussion with you way bk, but i tried to be courteous and simply said "now i understand your level", but u obviously don't deserve any courtesy. You really made me grasp the word dim witted properly, its almost like you are being purposefully obtuse.

According to your moronic analogy, common sense says when someone asks for proof of eyes you point them to the eyes. First of all science doesnt do "belief" that's for [/b]religion. I asked for a [b]reputable source for the claim that science proposed the earth was flat and was propped up on four elephants, a daft claim by the way, even a mediocre primary school student wont make, and you gave me an AI response as your reputable source. Lol! You seem to never learn. Same AI that i already told and showed to you, has a caveat of sometimes giving inaccurate info and is also malleable cause its unconfrontational especially around topics of religion and politics. That's the source you could find. See attached screenshot.

And that's not even taking into consideration part of your m.o of side stepping. Even in the source you gave i have to ask in Cersei Lannister's voice "Where are the elephants?" You left that part out just like went on a tangent and side stepped from the contradiction discourse above when you couldn't give a rebuttal. I'll need a more reputable source for the claim you made not one that says contradictory and incorrect info. Also im still waiting for your rebuttal on God changing his mind contradiction which you conveniently side stepped.

You're a joke of a person and a coward. You make me really understand that age is truly nothing but a number. It's no surprise those who identify as atheists here wipe the floor with you theists especially the christains and how many times would i sink it in your limited brain, i'm not an atheist.

smiling.

All the bolded above are your grammatical errors. I don't point out people's errors but you're justo proud. You need to be shown your level. As empty as you are, you shamelessly boast against people who are have very much advanced beyond you. What do you make of yourself by the way? You have not displayed any iota of intelligence since the very first day of my interactions with you. I know you're a witch but a very dense witch for that matter. You have PhD in Vulgarity and empty-headedness. Yet, you think you know better than anyone. Please go back to school and help yourself to some knowledge.

I write in very simple English and use the most comprehensive forms of communication because I want all my readers to grasp my messages. I'm not here to compete with anyone for intelligence or knowledge. I'm here to pass clear, concise and comprehensive messages only.

Now, let me educate you and tell you why AI is not nonsense. Infact, AI is not your mate. AI has the ability to conduct research, draw inferences and reach logical conclusions. It's capabilities are far higher than humans'. An AI can write a well researched and complete Ph.D thesis for you even in subjects like mathematics and finish the whole thing in hours. Lol, very ignorant kid. It is far more knowledgeable than any professor out there. If AI says you're not correct, then you're really not correct. Let that sink!

When we say AI, we mean Artificial Intelligence, I know you already know that. But you seem to think that AI produces whatever you prompt it to produce. While that is true to a certain degree, it is not everything you prompt AI to do that it will do. Sometimes it would reject you outright. But, that's not where I am going. I want you to understand that AI is highly intelligent and knowledgeable! You don't even come close.

There are now AI doctors that perform super accurate diagnosis and do better treatments than the best human doctors. The hospitals of the future are AI hospitals. AI is going to take over almost everything. Why? Because it is far more knowledgeable and accurate. An AI is fed with the entire body of knowledge human beings have acquired from ancient past till present. They're by far more intelligent and more knowledgeable than Lucifyre. AI is not your mate baby. That's why AI has been the only one to give me the toughest counterarguments so far regarding the debate of Creationism. Humans don't even come close. All atheists have done so far is to beat around the bush without addressing the real issue. I have to remind them again and again that they're not addressing my points. For now, no atheist have been able to offer any sound rebuttal. They majority of them have avoided the thread like a plague. Not even Lucyfyre could make any intelligent attempt. All what she does on the thread is to curse, curse and curse because she's angry at the fact that atheism is being defeated. A witch will support atheism anyway. Are they not all the preys of her master? She has nothing inside her brains other than curses, yet she wants to disparage AI that is a million times more intelligent and more knowledgeable that her. Isn't that laughable? SMH. If you want to ridicule AI, you should at least show us that you have more upstairs than the AI does!

In spite of the caveat, AI is now being heavily used in research. In the future, AI would be the main Researchers. Not humans. Yes, AI can give wrong answers sometimes, but not in the matters of science and history! These days, people are even using AI to pass exams. I mean any examination whatsoever. AI is not your mate dear.

Science once thought that the earth was flat. The elephants are not the point. That's true also but that earth was flat was what science once thought, is true and have been confirmed by AI. This is common historical fact you'll find in any elementary science textbook. Go and sit down! You can't learn about the history of science without coming across this fact. Shame on you if you don't know this.

There's no one on Nairaland who disparages AI except this ignorant kid. Christians and Atheists have used AI to settle arguments among themselves several times on this platform. You ignorant kid should get yourself educated and stop thinking that the world is still running on analogue.

I spot errors in your writings all the time but I never berate you for them. Very senseless errors I mean, like some of the ones I bolded up there. Learn respectful conversations kid. It's more honorable.

Wilgrea7:
FxMasterz


I've seen your response. And I've noticed you're making reference to this vague purpose thing. So before the discussion goes further, I would like for us to straighten it out to avoid unnecessary confusion.

First, purpose is not a vague thing. For example, the purpose of Nairaland is to socialize. Is that vague?

I will make some statements to try to better describe your position accurately. Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

First of all, you said based on our experience, we've seen minds create things with a purpose, for example, a human creating a car for the purpose of traveling faster, or more simply, a dog digging a hole for the purpose of hiding its bone.

Your logic follows the line that the hole serves a purpose, and exists because the mind of the dog wanted somewhere to hide its bone and the car serves a purpose, and exists because the human wanted to reach somewhere faster.

By that logic, you look at the universe and the complex processes within it, and infer that some super mind must have wanted these things to happen and exist. And that such things do not just arise by chaos or randomness

No, that's not correct. That's not the argument. It's not about a super mind wanting these things to happen and exist. No no no. The existence and/or sustenance of life itself is the purpose. We can confirm scientifically that these complex things are well designed and delicately calibrated to fulfil this singular purpose. Take note of the word 'calibrated.'

The argument is that a mind wanted life to exist and therefore created such complex things that work harmoniously to make life exist.

The problem with this line of thought is that the very chaos it tries to deny is not nothing. It is a something. A random box of metals won't create a car. But a box of metals is something. Please keep this in mind

No, this argument doesn't seek to deny chaos in anywa. I never said anything like that. If chaos can create monstrous complex things that can work in unison to fulfil a shared purpose, then it means chaos has a reasoning mind, and it can thus assume the position of a creator. The ability to create purposeful things is only vested in a mind because of the mind's ability to reason.

Now my first question to you is, do you think/believe that things can exist without a purpose? Regardless of if the purpose is known or not.

Things can exist without a purpose. But when some complex things exist to work harmoniously to fulfil a collective purpose, then that's not the result of any random occurrence.

If your answer is no, then it means you believe everything that exists has a purpose, and therefore, was brought about by a mind. Welcome to infinite regress.[/quote[
That's not my belief.

[quote]Second question.. who determines said purpose? The mind that creates something, or the mind that observes/uses something?

The creative mind of course .

Thirdly, if a mind creates something, you'd agree it's not random. It's purposeful. Question is.. how then did said purposeful mind exist? Why would it exist?

If you don't know how the creative mind existed, that does not mean the creative mind does not exist. I do not bother about how the mind exists.

I do not need to see the sun or know how the sun rose to know that the sun has risen. If I see the effect of the sun or its rays, I'll know the sun has risen without asking any question.

I have seen the effects of a mind and I can see the rays of a mind in the universe, and therefore know without asking questions that a mind has risen. These things are things only a mind can do. Only a mind can create a purpose.

It doesn't matter if you appeal to complexity or purpose. The argument still shifts forward, and you are faced with either infinite regress, or determining some arbitrary point where something purposeful just has to exist without a preceding mind.

I'll address the issue of facts and science in another post.

The argument shifts nowhere. My argument does not hang on complexity or purpose. My argument hangs on intelligence plus complexity, plus harmony plus purpose. Those 4 cannot come together by chance.

Wilgrea7:
FxMasterz

Here's part 2. This is why I believe your logic about what we've observed in our universe is faulty.

You're making reference to how things work inside our universe. In our universe, we see minds create things because said minds want those things to fulfil a certain function/purpose. True. But that says absolutely nothing about the nature of things external to our universe.

Why should we concern ourselves with things external to our universe.

The bolded is actually enough. Since you have admitted that these things are true as we view them from our universe, that's just enough.

The rules of a system, including it's nature and how it functions say little to nothing about the nature of things external to the system. We have observed in our system that minds (a product of the rules of the system) create things with purpose.

That's the only line of creation we've seen within the boundaries of the system. To assume that things outside the system would function the same way things do in the system would be very naive.

No one has assumed anything outside of our system. We do not even know if there's anything outside of our universe. So, why should we bother?

I gave the example of a car earlier. I will try to give a more precise example.

A human who has never left earth, and has no knowledge of outer space can observe that throwing a ball up means it comes down. Ignoring wind influences, even a feather will fall back down. Said person can assume that things falling back down is just how reality works. But they'd be wrong.

The earth is a mini-system in a greater system, and the observed phenomenon of things falling back down won't necessarily apply if you're in outer space.

Your super mind argument is analogous to the human on earth assuming that just because things fall when you toss them in this mini-system, then they must do so outside the system. Remember this human has no knowledge of outer space. Their information comes from what they've observed only on earth.

When you say some external "super mind" must have caused the universe, you're trying to attribute properties within a system to the unknown outside the system. Like the assumption of the ball falling.

Here's the catch. You could be right. You could also be very wrong. Unlike the person on earth, we have absolutely no way to verify how things outside the universe work. At least not yet.

But we don't know if there are things outside the universe, so that's no argument at all.

Going by this your logic, you make all knowledge acquired in this universe invalid because all the data, knowledge, education and all information we have in all our libraries were all gleaned from our observations and experiences within our universe. We got absolutely nothing from or about an extra-universe. Hence, you're saying that all knowledge humans have acquired within this universe might be right or wrong. We can never say because what we think we know might be different from what actually obtains outside our universe. I think, this is a very big flaw of this logic. Or is there any form of knowledge on earth that was gotten from outside of the universe? Point me to one.

But until then, if your argument for the nature of something external to a system is based only on what you've observed in the system... then you're doing it all wrong.

1. I do not concern myself with the nature of anything. The nature of the Creator is of no concern to me. My only point is that only the mind can create purpose.

2. I do not presume that the 'something' is external to our universe. Do you have any proof that this 'something' you're talking about is external to our universe?

Also, I'll quickly point out that the reason I'm talking about outside the universe is because we're talking about a possible creator. Said creator would need to be outside something to "create" it.

Humans create houses inside which they live. People create fences around themselves while they're still within the fence. The spider builds a web around itself while it still abides within the web. The Eastern Ten Caterpillar surrounds itself with froth from within itself. It builds and abides within its own froth. It is not true that a creator must be outside something to create it.

If this wasn't clear enough, let me know. But i don't know how else I can try to explain this to you.

I clearly understand your points right from the very beginning.

Also... on a side note... I find your exchanges with the AI very laughable. Particularly the natural selection vs intelligent design argument. The fact that for some reason they're seen as opposites by anyone is downright laughable.

You can't find it laughable after you yourself admitted in the beginning of this your response that my position is true from the perspective of our universe. What else do you want AI to do?

Lucifyre:
Man! pls tell me you're having a laugh and been facetious, cause if you're being serious with your first sentence, then Oh dear! I asked for a source and proof that science claimed the earth was flat, you didn't provide the proof but instead substantiated it with an even more ludicrous claim. It's ok, ur hole to dig anyway. Simply provide reputable sources and proofs verifying your claims here. No need for any other thread, thats a silly excuse to run away. Then again its ur usual m.o. "I'll soon start a thread...", i guess i'll be shattered like you shattered atheists in your previous thread. 🤪🤡

Chai!

It's like asking for a proof that human beings have eyes. Don't tell me you're this ignorant. Who on earth doesn't know that science once believed that the earth was flat. Go and ask your AI and stop disturbing me with unnecessary noise.

Yes now, atheists, including you have not been able to offer any sound argument against my position.

Lucifyre:
Man you spout so much dross confidently, "the bible is not a science book" obviously yes, so it shouldn't pretend to be one by telling us how things came about, when much of what it has told us has been proven to be outrightly false. From the creation story of Genesis, to the flood and the exit of the Israelites out of Egypt amongst many others.

Can you show me any source where science claimed the earth was flat?! An obvious lie or just plain myopic ignorance. Instead its the other way round the bible as can even be seen from your verses and has been proven by scholars with examples even sited in the Jewish study bible, always pictured the earth as flat with a circular dome of the firmament or heavens above it which is obviously wrong. The church and bible propagated a lot of erroneous beliefs which science has contradicted again and again.

They even proposed the erroneous belief of geocentricism of which can be seen from the bible with Joshua telling the sun to stand still which makes no sense. They made Gallileo recant his heliocentric model which was right and dealt with him until they were finally made to accept the heliocentric model with their tails between their legs. Science has always proven religion wrong not the other wat round and you obviously can't site any claim science made that the earth is flat. Just your usual ignorant and myopic cope. Educate urself.

So, you don't know that science has long believed that the earth was flat and was supported by 4 elephants? Hahaha? That was where science was before it came to know of recent that the earth is spherical. This is common knowledge now.

Don't worry, I'll soon start a thread that would prove to you that the Bible knows a lot more than science does. Just wait for it. You'll be shattered by the truths that would be revealed from the original Hebrew Bible.

Lucifyre:
🥱 Go sit in the corner and educate yourself so you don't spout absolute dross confidently next time. Frigging empty vessel. You suddenly don't have my time after digging into old posts to mention me cause you got triggered.

Oh dear. Not so. I was going through your threads and found a topic that caught my attention. I saw that the answers to the question you asked were not properly presented, so, I decided to provide the answer. Triggered by what exactly? What did you do to me that could have triggered me?

Lucifyre:
Of course that's all youd say after disgracing urself. Remember when i told you to just go?!

Which disgrace? You think your pettiness carry any influence? What do you make of yourself dear?

My conscience is pure. As long as I didn't manipulate anything to arrive at my position, I'm as free as a bird.

Lucifyre:
Hmm! it seems your vocabulary is just as bad as your IT Specialist Knowledge 😅, its spelt maggot bruv, educate yourself. So you weren't the one who clearly refused to debate JessicaRabbit fair and square or is it one of these demons you keep seeing everywhere due to your schizophrenia. Nice try to deviate from the topic, now pls address the obvious contradictions instead of deviating or running away. What mental gymnastics are you going to employ. Tick Tock!

Lol. So, my typo is now your vocabulary.

This petty kid, I don't have your time. Go and play with your friends. You don't ever say anything meaningful that anyone can gain from in your life. Yours is to curse, curse, curse and abuse. Keep cursing and abusing you hear? Your eyes will soon clear. I don't have the time for your nonesense. You're just a time waster.

Anyway, thank you for bringing that screenshot supposedly from an AI, it has given me more powerful points for my position. My position now has higher momentum.

Lucifyre:
Like i said you're frigging ignorant, AI can't argue in support of creationism. Then where the heck did the attached screenshot come from, slowpoke?! Its one thing to be ignorant but to be ignorant and confident is bottom of the barrel. An IT specialist capping ignorant dross, you sure its not a business center specialist claiming IT specialist. Trust me i have your time, im free this week and im going to respond to even those old topic mentions you went to dig up and show you how frigging ignorant your are.

I had a very lengthy argument with the AI. I cannot screenshot everything but I'll screenshot the very beginnings of the debate.

See below:

Lucifyre:
😄 Is that all you have to say, IT specialist that doesn't use prompt 😁

Kid, AI doesn't believe or disbelieve in anything. AI always confesses that it's not sentient, hence can never believe or disbelieve. Hence your screenshots are very fictitious.

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣 Embarrassing. Poster child of embarassment with no shame. Where's the original you gave to AI to "fine tune"?!

Mtcheww. You this lying little kid.