₦airaland Forum

pseudaria:
First of all, it's not through ignorance and envy, and whether you like it or not, we have every right to criticize especially when huge chunks of the populace are falling jnto abject poverty while these men of god are breaking banks. Contrast this with countries like Norway and Sweden where you hardly see any millionaire pastor yet majority of the population live in abundance and have never known hunger all their lives. It just doesn't make sense. Nigeria has one of the highest number of churches and richest pastors in the world yet christians dje everyday from kidnapping banditry poor healthcare hunger and poverty. Nations like estonia Finland Japan china with little to no churches and rich pastors have their citizens living in splendor safety and security. It doesn't make sense. These men of god are not holier than the pope and everyday the pope and the Catholic church are criticized by politicians and masses, even in movies and media, so Bleep off with this holier than thou attitude

They give. Someone like Oyedepo does not earn any salary from his church. Go and verify. He feeds people in thousands. Every year new scholarship funds are allocated to thousands of students. Please don't be envious.

It is not the responsibility of the pastors to bring an end to poverty or banditry. He was sent only to preach. And if a jet would help him do more preaching, he has every right to get it while you also have your right to criticize.

CuteEmma:
Silly people will always create excuses why they can't leave their oppressors.

A private jet is a necessity in a country where most of your followers can't afford 1 proper meal per day?? just silly.

Imagine if a parent decides to get a car because it would take them to work faster, when there's no food at home for the kids to eat

I mean, imagine that Dangote had 20 kids, and 16 are in financial wahala, 2 doing fairly okay, and only the last 1 is successful, and then he tells you that he wants to get a new yatch because he might be doing business on the water.

The pastors, excessive luxury !== followers, abject poverty.

I know your next excuse is that they're not the government. But for me, I feel that if you're a leader/mentor, and your average followers is way below your standard in lifestyle, then it's either you're deceiving them or they're deceiving themselves.

God didn't send them to feed people with food. If anyone needs food there is provision in the welfare department of the Church for that.

Silly people can't see the need to have something that helps you do more work. Instead they see it as a luxury. Do they sleep in their jets?

Nemesis08:
Which of these churches has members as the Roman catholic church?
Which of them is as wealthy as the catholic church? But how many catholic bishops owns a private jet? Even the pope travels on a public Al Italia plane crowded with journalists and others.

How many Catholic bishops hold crusades in different nations? How many Catholic bishops are fathers to millions of other church founders? How many Catholic bishops do evangelism? How many Catholic bishops receive invitations to come and preach in many nations of the world? How many Catholic bishops plant multiple churches every year? I still have more questions for you!

BeigJawnson:
Private boat or chariot? Hahahahaha I can't laugh. In other words, I can't equate our Lord Jesus Christ to ordinary men.

I earlier said it that our Lord has no home yet He wasn't poor... He had nothing to Himself yet poverty wasn't His...

Mind you a bible verse tells me that "My God shall supply all my needs according to His riches in glory. As for me, I no serve a poverty God.

Pastors can have private jets, after all they are general overseers and not a local assembly pastors... Sense for tell you that one. And these men of God started their ministries with humble beginnings...

If a local assembly pastor owns a private jet, it is questionable. Cos what does he need it for?

Do you know what they call general overseer of a church that has been existing for decades?

They own this private jets not for luxurious life style but not to be delayed at airport or missed a flight...

Do you know that not only Nigerian Pastors own private jets... American pastors too own private jet. I mean top pastors...
I await your reply on this.

Chai!

The first pastor to own a jet was Kenneth Copeland. It was a gift to him. Many pastors around the world own jets!

The jets Oyedepo uses are all gifts to him. You're very ignorant, yet you want to sit as the judge.

BadBradley:
You're deluded and the fact that you think your pastor is busier than any president makes you a very dangerous pefoan to God and men.

I won't call you a criminal but you're not shut of one. You're deluded, self-conceited oaf who thinks your pastor is actually important

You're the one deluded here.

The president of the UK sees his wife everyday. Has time for golf and other things. Mama Adeboye once said there are years she sees her husband only a few times.

Go and sit down. Deluded and ignorant fellow making judgement on things he knows nothing about. You're not short of a criminal. You're one!

miketayo:
Lay hands, so you can't pray for someone in another continent and God will hear you..
Silly excuses left and right

It's just because you are too ignorant and proud! You know nothing and yet your spewing gibberish.

So, even if he wants to ordain pastors, he'll ordain them through the air? He should not meet people physically because he has rejected jets? Silly!

Millions of people are waiting for him to minister to them all around the world. God has provided jets, he rejected them and gave excuses to the people that he couldn't come because what? How silly that sounds!

Paul didn't conduct impartation through letters. He traveled everywhere he had people who needed his presence. Infact he told the Romans:

Romans 1:12
"For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you—

He had to be there physically but time would not permit. He wrote his desire in letters and still promised to be there to do ministry in person.

You didn't see that it's silly to reject jets and start giving excuses for not being available for ministry in places where millions of people need them? How do you reason?

To minister to people through the air, and to fly there to minister to them in person, which one is more comfortable?

Think!

kpompey:
God or Oyedepo, who chose his successor, because he wanted to retain the control and wealth within his family

Even in scripture, the line of succession has been through children. It was the failure of Eli that made God reject his children. The children of Israel rejected the sons of Samuel. They were the ones who were to succeed Samuel.

The Lord Jesus had no physical children but had physical brothers. The eldest of his younger brothers succeeded Him and led the church even though he was a late comer into the faith. He was the one who even presided over the church conference and gave his ruling on a disputed matter in Acts 15.

Except you begat a wayward son, he's the rightful person to succeed you.

Richard succeeded Oral Roberts his father, Joel succeeded John Osteen his father. Kenneth Hagin too was succeeded by his son.

Still waiting for more atheists to counter this post. Till date, none of them have been able to raise any solid rebuttal.

kpompey:
For the fact that the father is a pastor, the son is automatically a pastor. Did you know the number of bishop that pull out from winners when Oyedepo named his son as his successor. Even Abioye that they started together was ignored. Keep fooling around.99 percent of churches in Nigeria are business ventures.

Did Abioye complain to you? He has the right to mame anyone as his successor except God says no!

GorillaApp:
Rubbish.

Have you heard the word, 'to delegate before?
they can't be everywhere and do everything. jesus did not cover the whole world. he delegated you and i to do so.

In ministry, when you're invited to minister, o boy, you can't delegate. It's you the people what to see, not your designate. You're just ignorant.

kpompey:
You know Adeboye, please show us the propaganda evidence.

Is Redemption camp far from you? Go there and verify!

BadBradley:
which multiple appointments in different countries your god get?
Deceiver.

Go and see as the UK Prime minister and US president get old and grey with work and your gods with multi appointments across the globe are not showing any signs of fatigue or labour.

Criminals like you live and survive by fleecing people with broken minds and feeble spirits

Go and ask for the itinerary of any of these parties first. They have the at least 3 years booked ahead for them while they're still struggling to fulfil appointments for the current year. The UK president doesn't even know yet where he'll be in December!

miketayo:
What happen to delegation and virtual meetings.
Well it's the same way people like you blindly defend corrupt leaders, it's not new

Virtual meetings to lay hands on people and pray for them? Are you the one who would be telling an organization how to conduct its meetings? Please listen to yourself. It appears you're just being envious.

Onyedikachi231:
What can you say of this behavior and is this pastor truly from God or just a scamming imbecïle.

During 2011 or so, Jonathan's administration removed subsidy, this pastor called for a 1 million march against the government for causing hardship for Nigeria citizens through subsdy removal, he actually did it.

Fast forward to now that we have another dumb career criminal in also rock, Not only did he remove subsidy, all his policies has been antipeople and criminal in nature, do you know what that pastor did?

He instead of organising another one million match or speak against the government about the roughness of life in Nigeria, remember, this time around things are 1 million times worse than the Jonathan's period, he is saying his people should go and pray, does it mean during Jonathan's time that there was no need for prayers or that if we had prayed then, this calamity wouldn't have befallen us.

So tell me, what kind of pastor is that that is slippery, a betrayal to his own gullible followers? Is he from God too?

Adeboye is now approaching 90. He's not as young as he was in 2011. He has spoken heavily against this government from his pulpit. What else do you want him to do at his age?

emapeteum:
I don't follow Damina nor any of the pastors. I look into the scripture and try to follow that which was laid.i don't agree with Damina in everything but he speaks the truth sometimes

Then before you criticize, search out for the truth and hold on to it. I don't follow any of the pastors I'm defending too. I am defending them based on my knowledge of their private activities.

kpompey:
No, Adeboye is in lagos and abroad, unknown brainwashed pastors who are missionaries are in Borno.Elijah never send someone to Baal, he faced Baal himself

Lol. You don't know Adeboye. So, go and sit down. Lol.

Let me give you a gist. Adeboye still carries blocks and joun builders whenever there is building work in the church. Even you will never do that as a person. Yet you have the mouth to criticize someone whose private activities you're absolutely oblivious of.

emapeteum:
You are not in a position to say that pls.The scripture is not meant for private interpretation. Damina is actually right

Follower of Damina.

I have not done any scripture interpretation in my response to you.

Go and sit down and ask for forgiveness if you have nothing to say.

pseudaria:
Lies upon lies. Ordinary villages for ogun state their leg never reach na for east Africa they wan see them. Your GO should leave Chicago conference where he is sure of min 50000$ to a backwater swamp where he will even spend his own money. 🙌🙄🤨

Go and read their documentaries. I can vividly remember Oyedepo's visit to Koma Hills. He was the first ever clothed man to visit that place in its history. Google it and educate yourself. Go and see what Koma hill is today.

You guys talk a lot of nonsense through ignorance and envy. You commit sin against innocent people who lives efforts and details you do not know. The judgement of God would come upon you guys at the right time.

A man is doing what God sent him to do and puts his life at risk as a result. You sit in your comfort zones to condemn him because he was gifted some jets. Wait first, let God arise and do judgement.

miketayo:
It's not luxury, yet you have none. I know people like you, you drop logical reasoning and follow what your fellow man tells you. I m sure you won't even listen to Jesus if he tells you these men aren't his apostles.

I don't need it. I'm not yet busy enough to need a jet.

Let Jesus say it first. You're not Jesus, so please rest.

FRANCISTOWN:
I remember when I was an undergraduate. There was this vigil I used to attend every friday.

It was a RCCG branch. That was how one girl started shouting, next thing, she fell on the floor and started rolling, then the ushers came around to cover her up with one big wrapper like that. She started prophesying and said "one particular girl was going to graduate with a very good result".
Anyways, the girl she prophesied about had an extra year and that's not the the gist.
While she was rolling on the floor, she slept off and bet-wetted on the rug before she woke the following morning.

You see, these guys are not just funny. They are undoing their own self.

The girl in question was demon possessed. The pastor was supposed to shut her up if he or she had discernment. Everything you described about the girl in your post shows she's not prophesying by the Spirit of God. These things happen frequently in churches. A pastor must be able to discern and shut up evil spirits who disguise as the Spirit of God.

Most RCCG pastors know nothing about deliverance. So, I understand the pastor's ignorance quite well.

miketayo:
This is not just dumb it's also embarrassing.. this is the reason for private jet? Most of you have turn Christians to laughing stock. There is mo justification for any G.O buying a private jet when his members can't afford 3 square meals.

Just as there is no justification for you having clothes even if they were gifted to you.

The jets are instruments of work. Not luxury.

Visionless people are the only ones who see the jets as luxuries instead of instruments.

colossus91:
Well if they are that’s fine but should be sold too and kept, do h know how much those panes in hangar cost? lol like I said keep just few and sell the surplus!

They're already doing a lot of charity works from their pockets. If they need to sell them, they would.

emapeteum:
So it means they are the life wire of the Church?without them,the church cannot move?how many times do they actually visit these countries in a year?are they in more countries than Catholic? does the Pope visits all the Catholic church for the church to grow?why do we justify evil because of our blind love for these men?have you read your the scripture with an understanding?Jehovah witness is everywhere but nobody knows the head of the church nor him getting private jets to travel everyday.So does it mean these men are indispensable for the growth of the Church?

They're doing all they can in their own power to justify their heavenly rewards. Go and do yours and stop complaining.

pseudaria:
Funny enough these countries mentioned are not where missions are needed. It is always the wealthy nations you lot like flying to in the name of preaching the gospel to people who brought the gospel to your ignorant ancestors. Countries like Djibouti Sri Lanka Mozambique Tahiti tonga Pakistan etc are not private jet worthy of the gospel. Even in Nigeria there are places that have not been accessed by the gospel but your GOs are too big for those places. Keep deceiving yourselves

That I just used those as examples does not mean those are the only places to go. They've been to cannibal creeks even in the hinterlands of East and Central Africa. Please go and educate yourself.

MostHigh:
That was how Paul was using. His private yatch to cruise round the Mediterranean spreading the gospel.







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A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

How many church branches was Paul overseeing in how many nations of the world in his day? If Paul was gifted a yacht or yachts, he'll be using them too. These ministers are mostly gifted their jets.

MrBroke:
You d ignorant one. A person who serves a deity has nothing to do with earthly things, you can't be wealthy and be spiritual at the same time.

You rested it as earthly things because you're ignorant. These are instruments of work. Not material acquisitions. These things are mostly gifts from those to whom they've been a blessing.

emapeteum:
I think you reason out of ignorance and gullibility of a sick society. Maybe the GOs of Nigerian churches are busier than the US president and have far more true gospel than Apostle Paul. Think deeply before you portray your thoughts in the public domain. These men are not true men of God but act as if they working for God while working for their bellies. The Muslim population is almost that of the Christians but please how many Imams own a private jet and display before own faces?

Imams can own private jets if the people they have blessed decide to gift them as they gift these men of God. Of want use is a private jet to an Iman who manages only one mosque and is barely known outside his state?

These people are busier than the US president. How many nations of the world does the US president have to visit to see to the well-being of his people? You're taking about men of God who have multiple large branches spread over 120 countries?

colossus91:
I absolutely agree with GO having private jets oo but not when they start having fleet of it boss, wetin u wan Dey use 3 private jet do as GO?? I believe all GOs should have two max, most of them have as much as 6 which raises eyebrows

They're gifts bro.

hardbody:
What happened to grooming and succession planning? It can only be done by him and suddenly zoom and other apps stopped working and being deployed for these engagements.

There's a lot of grooming and succession planning in their organization. Having groomed someone does not mean you'll leave everything to him or her. When you're invited to minister somewhere, you must be there, not your successor.

Akinpresident:
What are they accomplishing that other pastors there can't accomplish?
Are they going there for free?

If they're invited there, they'll go there. They have branches there too. If the branches need their presence, they'll be there as well.

Nteogwuija:
Busy doing what exactly?

Things that don't impact humanity. It's funny how you people exallt these men for manipulating gullible people.

People on other continents are busy working on innovations that'd better human lives, in Africa some men are venerated for dishing out false hope and extorting money from their victims.

Tueh!

Their humanitarian works, educational investments, hospitals, etc don't impact humanity? The messages of hope and eternal salvation they bring don't impact humanity? It's either you love to lie or you're just plainly ignorant.

Urgent1Million:
You mean the businesses they do?
One private jet, yes.
More than one private jets? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Should they reject the gifts when God didn't say they should?