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Boomark:
FxMasterz who claimed he was a winner chapel pastor 23 years ago is insisting that I show him my certificate as an evangelist to prove that I am one. I told him I don't have any because Christ, his followers and all the apostles didn't need any certificate to do the work of God. The certificate he is asking for is man-made and I don't practice man-made doctrines

Now let me teach him as an evangelist and from the word of God. I will use the word of God to show him that nobody needs a certificate to be ordained or become a pastor, evangelist, prophet, etc. And I would want him as a certificate Winner chapel pastor with years of experience to show us with just ONE scripture where certificate is a requirement for anybody to become an evangelist or prophet.

‭Romans 8:30 KJV‬
[30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

‭Ephesians 4:11 NRSV‬
[11] The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,

First I am not a Winners Pastor. I was one until I left Winners 23 years ago. Do not present any falsehood about me. Your heading is misleading.

Then secondly, show me where I ever said anyone needs a certificate to be ordained a Pastor or Evangelist!! This is number one proof that you do not abide in the truth. You are an arrogant lover of lies. If otherwise, prove me wrong.

I told you that there are two ordinations:

1. The Spiritual ordination which Ephesians 4:11 talked about. It is a call into one of the 5 fold Ministries of Christ. A spiritual ordination is often followed by a physical ordination.

2. A physical ordination is often followed by a certificate of ordination.

Clearly, these scripturea shows that God has already ordained and justify those he called and that nobody needs a certificate to be made an evangelist of God.

Only Ephesians 4:11 addresses the issue of ministry in the 2 Scripturas you quoted. Romans 8:30 is not talking about ministry but about all Believers who are called into salvation and are justified according to predestination. By using this Romans 8:30 to justify ministerial ordination, you already expose your ignorance of Scripture.

Question:

1. Show me just one person in the bible that needed certificate to become an evangelist? Use scriptures to defend yourself.

Please don't use gossips from Quora or hearsay from people to dodge or answer this question. Use scriptures alone. This will surely go a long way to show that you are not empty as I have observed because you have never defended anything with scriptures.
Answer the question, don't dodge it and shame winner's pastors and their certificate. As an evangelist, I have taught you something from the scripture, so as a certificate pastor, show me the answer from the scripture. You Must Show It.

Boomark of God

The bolded above shows your insincerity and your penchant for mischief. I used Quora confessions of former JWs and current JWs to prove to you that indeed the JWs use scripting in their talks. Would I be using scriptures to prove that JWs do script their talks? A reasonable person would accept the confessions of both current and previous members as proof. Berating me for using Quora instead of the Scriptures without telling the World exactly what I used Quora to do also shows how deceptive you can be.

Now, back to the topic, if you have followed through all my previous conversations on this platform, you would have immediately noticed that I am one of the heaviest users of Scripture to silence false doctrines on this platform. And I would soon prove that to you.

As i have told you before on the other thread, I would tell you again that in the days of the Apostles of the Lord Jesus, there were no certificates issued because certificates are a latter invention of the world. However, instead of certificates, we often see letters of endorsements. The letters of endorsements do what certificates do today - they help the Church to differentiate genuine ministers from charlatans. A letter of endorsement was the item you needed to gain recognition for your spiritual office anywhere you go. Once certificates were invented, the church adopted certificates to identify who ordained you, where you were ordained, and what your denomination is. By denomination, we are able to know what your doctrines are, and the likelihood of you not being an heretic. Let me show you a few incidents in Scripture where we see letters of endorsements.

Incident 1: Letter of Endorsement for Apollos

Acts 18:27

"When he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace."

Incident 2: Paul's Letter of Endorsement for Phoebe the Deaconess

Romans 16:1-2 - Phoebe:

"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me."


Incident 3: Paul's Letter of Endorsement for Mark

Colossians 4:10 - Mark:

"Aristarchus my fellow prisoner greets you, and Mark the cousin of Barnabas (concerning whom you have received instructions: if he comes to you, welcome him)."

Incident 4: The Apostles' Letter of Endorsement for Paul, Barnabas, Judas and Silas

Acts 15:24-27

"We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.".

Incident 5: Paul's Letter of Endorsement for Titus and Other Brethren With Him

2 Corinthians 8:23:

"As for Titus, he is my partner and co-worker among you; as for our brothers, they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ."

Paul refers to Titus as his "partner and co-worker," further endorsing his ministry and leadership. He further endorses other brethren as the Representatives of the Body of Christ. This is did when he sent Titus and some group of believers together to the church at Corinth for ministry. When they got there, they didn't have to start shouting 'We are evangelists". The letters certified them already.


Incident 6: Paul's Letter of Endorsement for Timothy

Philippians 2:19-22:

"I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you soon, that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you. I have no one else like him, who will show genuine concern for your welfare. For everyone looks out for their own interests, not those of Jesus Christ. But you know that Timothy has proved himself, because as a son with his father he has served with me in the work of the gospel."

Here, Paul endorses Timothy by praising his genuine concern for others and his faithful service alongside Paul.
1 Corinthians 4:17:

"For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church."

Paul commends Timothy as faithful in the Lord and capable of teaching and reminding others of Paul's teachings and therefore should be allowed to teach anywhere. He didn't have to keep shouting everywhere he goes, "I'm an evangelist" like you are doing. The letter of endorsement was his proof? Where's your own proof boomark? You want us to take your shouting as proof?

In 3 John 1:9-10,The Apostle John writes about the negative actions of Diotrephes, who refused to acknowledge letters of commendation and endorsements (today, we would say he refused to acknowledge certificates) and even refused to welcome traveling brethren.

"9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will not welcome us. 10 So when I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, spreading malicious nonsense about us. Not satisfied with that, he even refuses to welcome other believers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church."


These references demonstrate the practice of writing letters to commend or certify individuals in ministry during the New Testament era. When certificates were invented, certificates were issued instead of letters. Without the certificates, it is difficult for the global church to accept you as an evangelist because there is no physical evidence that you are one. Humans don't see the Evangelistic office you carry if you truly carry one. It is wise for you to say on a public forum, "I am an Evangelist by calling." No one would ask for your certificate because if you lie about your calling, it is between you and God. But once you declare, I am an evangelist, we would ask for you certificate because we don't know you. It is your certificate that will tell us who you truly are. For example if you present a Celestial certificate to me as an Evangelist, I would have to grill you further to know what type of spirit you really carry. A certificate is therefore a document that allows you to be easily accepted into the congregation of the saints anywhere you go. This is the Wisdom of God in the Churches to root out charlatans who lay fictitious claims to a calling even when they were never called.

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The University of Bologna (founded in 1088) issued the first known certificates of recognition, called "licentia docendi," In the 12th Century AD which granted permission to teach.

It is only ignorance that can make anyone to expect the Church to issue certificates at a time when nothing like that existed in the world. Before certificates came into being, Churches used letters of endorsement. Today, we use certificates.

LordReed:
LoLz. Take it to YouTube and get schooled. Please I am begging you.

What's there in Youtube? The situation there would not be different from here!

No one can ever prove that other things other than a mind can create purpose. Only a mind can create a purpose. It cannot be argued against anywhere. I don't know why you guys don't want me to go to Youtube. You are afraid of the damage this will do to atheism worldwide?

achorladey:
When i told many that the group name has been bastardized most of them will start arguing blindly.

Due to the atrocities committed in the name of CHRISTIANITY most religionists don't want to be identified as Christians anymore yet they want to claim they believe in Christ.

Well that group name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice it was used as to vilify the disciples in a city called Antioch {Act 11:26} but the disciples welcomed the new development since they're ready to suffer humiliation for the love of their Master! Matthew 10:33

Jehovah foresaw this long ago that's why He said about Satan and his agents:

You will leave behind a name (CHRISTIANS) that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death (all enemies of Christ including those calling him Lord but not practicing what he taught) But his own servants he will call by another name (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) Isaiah 65:15



Boomark those are the words of Maxindhouse. It is Satan's agent that use the group name CHRISTIANS


Emusan come and see the WE referring to Jehovah's servants aka Jehovah's witnesses earthwide.

Fxmasterz

Boomark of Satan will say it's a lie. He'll ask you to stop lying against Max. He shuns all forms of evidence. He embraces only the lies in his heart as truth.

Emusan:
The most astonishing part is how he won't even see anything wrong in all these.

Since he claims to be a Christian now, and according to him "a Christian too may turn back from following the Way of holiness..."

So, very soon he too can turn back from following the way of holiness (who even knows whether he has turned back since)

Are you still taking that one serious? That one that doesn't know what he's doing?

achorladey:
Boomark of God already knows MaxInDHouse is lying and manipulating his words regarding him being a Christian. My post should help Boomark to see more evidence to nail MaxInDHouse as a liar.

Boomark of Satan is not interested in the truth. He is a liar himself and therefore loves fellow liars. That's why he's in bed with the liars on this thread.

achorladey:
The lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains won't end today.



That's why you created a thread titled Christians and Jehovah's witnesses what is the difference?



From the above

1. Boomark is a Christian while

2. MaxInDHouse is a Jehovah's witnesses


because MaxInDHouse believe Boomark has turn his back on Jehovah and didn't stick to all what Jesus taught..

Q. E. D. MaxInDHouse you are not a Christian


Emusan knew very well you will lie and manipulate your own words when caught lying with your madness and insanities peddling brains.

cc: Fxmasterz, Courz

Lol. Let me see how the bitter lying satanic evangelist boomark will respond.

Lucifyre:
Oh man it seems i really triggered you for you to go mentioning me in past topics. You are actually dumber than i thought and that's not even an insult and i'ld show you why. A bit busy now but would respond when i have time.

What does it matter if I mentioned you in past topics. Can't you see how dumb you are? You only come here to insult someone who never insulted you. There is a debate at hand which you never ventured to look into. You are foolishly and unashamedly running away from the debate citing AI. I provided two different answers to one mention. One was not finetuned while the other was, your dumb self jumped on the finetuned one and started wailing AI. Are you so unintelligent that you cannot even debate AI? You lots are just pathetic!

Boomark:
You are still full of evil, wicked and filled of lying spirits. I have no business with a heartless Winner chapel pastor.

Have you seen that your certificate is useless because your head is empty and you don't have anything in it. I asked you to EXPLAIN WHAT YOU YOURSELF KNOW ABOUT THE SCRIPTING THEY DO and you are telling me you want to bring quotes from Quora. Do you think I can't get quotes of how pastors are doing evil deeds in churches?

Question:
1. Show me one person in the bible that needed certificate to become an evangelist? Use scriptures.

If you cannot show me this thing, then know that you are a very foolish empty head imposter pastor who doesn't know anything from the bible. You buy and acquire certificates and thinks it means God has called you. No wonder you are full of lies, accusing people falsely, and can't answer any question.

Jesus and his disciples, and the apostles who God appointed and ordained didn't have any certificate and were not required to have any certificate before they do the work of God. Only empty head mposter pastors and evangelists use certificate to deceive people.

Remember that you MUST answer the question I asked you above. Leave every nonsense thing you have to say and answer that question. And remember that I am ...

BOOMARK OF GOD. The slayer of man-made certificate lying imposter pastors.

Keep your mouth shut! You devilish boomark!

I am not a JW. Stop asking me foolish questions. I have brought you evidences from JWs themselves as well as from some other ex members apart from the ones here. I'm not a winners Pastor for your information. I was once a winners pastor. I'm not a liar like you who lay claims based on his past associations.

I have shown you what the apostles used in the days when certificates were not yet invented. Foolish, lying and embittered boomark of Satan. Show us your evidence of being an evangelist.

I know that your deceptive mind would not see the Quota confessions of their members. Did you ever ask me for what I know of their scripting? You liar! However, by the various confessions of their members and ex members, I have further confirmed that the scripting allegation is true.

Liars like you don't accept any evidences because the only truth in the world is the lie that is in their hearts.

Dull boy, bring out your evidences of being an evangelist. Enough of your excuses. You should know in your empty head that there are many evangelists in the world who have certificates. Even Reinhard Bonnke of blessed memory had certificates and also issued certificates himself to the people he ordained. If you are an exception, it is because you are a liar and a charlatan.

Boomark:
So you were once a winner pastor? No wonder you are very heartless and lying like this. Very heartless set of people. When I chatted the resident pastor that deceived me to assist me as he said. I told him that if I am Lazarus begging him like this would he ignore me like this? He blocked me immediately he read my message. Because he has been transferred to another church. Pastor Kayode is his name. He was the residents pastor then in 2017. It was a very sad experience. Ask anybody from the osisioma headquarter in Aba.

I still have their membership card and the application letter I wrote then to them for assistance. I think the WOFBI cert is still there. But I threw away their tithe book that looks like bank teller. I don't have those things here with me now.

You are a JW for sure. You're bitter that a Winners Pastor didn't assist you. This forms the basis for your satanic bitterness and demonic love for falsehood and deceit. If you're not a JW, show proof of the current church you attend. Bring ordination certificates. Boomark of Satan is a confirmed Charlatan for his inability to produce an ordination certificate. He keeps lying and giving flimsy excuses with no evidence. No proof! No single proof!

While there are bad pastors in every Church, Winners pastors would not block you for asking for help. They'll refer you to the Welfare department instead. The pastor is not the one to take care of your welfare needs. The welfare department would look upon your request and forward it to the pastor. Once the pastor approves it, it goes to the account office for disbursement. Welfare is not his responsibility. It doesn't have to come from his pocket. So, he doesn't need to block you because of welfare requests.

If any Winners Pastor blocks you, it will be because you're of a very bad character with a useless and unreliable personality. He must have regarded you as someone undeserving because of your pestilent attitude like the one you're currently displaying on Nairaland - lying and supporting evil. Which pastor would like to associate with someone who constantly tells lies, has a pestilent attitude and contributes nothing to the society and congregation. Always begging, begging and begging with an unrepentant stinking character. After the pastor gets tired and frustrated because of your bad character, he blocked you. Your case would be the only one among 1 million cases of those who beg pastors for help in Winners.

I brought the matter online to see if anyone will link me to Oyedepo but come and see people like you with lying spirit defending something they knew nothing about. Very heartless fellows. You can link me to Oyedepo and I will provide proof.

Foolish Boomark of Satan, I will never link you with Oyedepo with this your kind of lying, deceitful and pestilent attitude. God forbid. You don't have any proof of you being an evangelist. See the fool, he wants to provide proof only after I link him with Oyedepo. Do you have sense at all?

I

thought I was chatting with an up coming Sunday school teacher who is just a learner.

If you are really a pastor, then you are not just a liar but also evil and wicked. See reasons. I told you that I am not a JW but you kept on insisting that I am a JW. See, if I am really one of them, I will still ask you to explain how we do the scripting and you still have nothing to say. Plus all the lies and dodging of questions, it doesn't show you are a pastor. But there plenty evil pastors these days.

I don't want to remember the wickedness and heartlessness at Winners Chapel. Even at Watchman in 2023 where a member defrauded me within 4 months of joining. I know how the pastors handled the matter. That is why I said you should not expect me to join join the bandwagon of defending any rubbish anywhere.

Bitter boomark of Satan. You are a JW, give us evidence of your present church where your were ordained an evangelist. I know you cannot dare fulfil the challenge. No evangelist would ever talk and say "If you are really a pastor, then you are not just a liar but also evil and wicked."

I know that you will come up with lies and excuses. This is how liars do. They'll make clams about what they're not. Just ask them to provide evidence, they start singing another song, giving excuses and start philosophizing on why they can't produce evidence. Bitter, lying boomark of Satan, you have no iota of shame.

The certificate you invented is man-made. It will not take any lying pastor to heaven. It is as useless as anything. It is unscriptural. The gift of God does not require human ordination or approval for it to start working. Go into the world is all that is required. Jesus and the apostles didn't have any certificate. Stop following man-made doctrines.

Bitter lying boomark of Satan. Neither I nor the Church invented the certificate. Certificates were invented by the Academia. As the Church grew, the church also eventually adopted certificates to ward off Charlatans like you. Any church that ordains you would give you a certificate as proof. The Apostles didn't have certificates but often wrote letters of endorsement. They wrote of Paul and Barnabas. They wrote for Paul and Silas. Paul wrote for Titus and Timothy. Letters of endorsement were often used in the early
Church to certify people who do the work of God.

Now, let me provide more evidence of JW scripted talks. I already told you that two ex JW members here confirmed it. No JW current member denied it. Since it didn't sink into your deceptive mind that this alone is evidence that they script their talks, I'll bring you more evidence from Quora.

A curious JW member - a new member asked the question after observing how their talks are in their kingdom halls. He became really curious and took the question to Quora. Both current and ex-members of JW answered the question in a way that corroborated what has been stated here with more lights even shed.

I am sure that your deceitful self will not consider these evidences. You would look away as you have always done in order to follow your false narratives and call others liars for telling you the truth. Liars never change without the help of the Holy Ghost. So, I don't expect you to change or even have any remorse after seeing these evidences Anyone expecting changes from the Bitter boomark of Satan, lover of lies and hater of truth is actually deceiving himself.

There were many responses on Quora confirming their scripting. I'm showing you a few here because Nairaland can't take more per post.

Boomark:
I numbered your answers for you up there. See my rebuttal to your falsehood.

1. The common sense you are talking about is actually a legion of lying spirits in you. That lying spirits that attracts inspired gossip and lies would always want you to insist on a lie and remain in sin. If you check my topics you will see that I attended winners chapel some years ago trying to answer the call of God.

So you are still a great liar. Go and deliver yourself from legion of lying spirits. They are plenty manipulating you. I am the only one in position to say the truth on this matter not you. You can only tell lies since you don't know me.

Boomark of Satan, I was a Winners Pastor 23yrs ago. If you attended Winners Chapel, show us your WOFBI certificate. Winners does not ordain evangelists. You lying Boomark of Satan. Show us your certificate of ordination as an evangelist from Winners Chapel!

Is this what you even call a rebuttal? A rebuttal devoid of evidential proofs is not a rebuttal. Mere words or empty claims don't ever count as rebuttals. Are you educated at all!? Bring out your evidences and proofs! You don't prove anything by shouting here and there. Hope you hear me, Boomark of Satan?

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b]2. ‭Ephesians 4:11-12 NRSV‬
[11] The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, [12] to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

The gift of God didn't come with certificate, so I don't have any certificate. Our Lord Jesus Christ didn't have any man-made certificate. The Pharisees and high priest didn't give him any certificate. God does not depend on human certificate to give his gifts.

So, you ordained yourself an evangelist? Lol. The Gift of Evangelist is a calling and Devine ordination into one of the 5 fold offices. When anyone is called into any of these offices, there's a Spiritual ordination followed by a physical ordination by a Spiritual father, leader or mentor who pours oil on your head to signify the free hand of fellowship extended to you to operate in that office in the body of Christ. Such physical ordinations usually come with certificates. Who ordained you? Where were you ordained? Who is your father? Where's your certificate of ordination?

The disciples and the apostles did have any certificate and they never gave anybody certificate to do the work of God. The God who gave those gifts has already ordained those he gave it to. Certificate is the gift of men. I don't practice man-made doctrines.

So again, the lying spirit deceived you again because you don't know the word God and you are practicing man-made doctrine. Your inspired lies have failed you again. You didn't answer my question. You are just asking me for a proof of something you claimed you know. That means you had no proof in the first place. What a shame! The legion of lying spirits are at work. Repent and reject all lying spirits.
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You lying son of Satan. There was nothing called certificate in the days of the apostles. However, there were open endorsements. As the Church grew, certificates were invented and therefore became necessary so in the church so as to fish out Charlatans like you. By confessing that you are an evangelist without a certificate, and not mentioning a physical ordination, you are a self acclaimed fake evangelist without any endorsement by the body of Christ!

The way I slay liars and those who practice man-made doctrine gives me joy. Don't expect me to join you in lying and practicing man-made doctrine. Remember this....

I am Boomark of God. The slayer of liars and man-made doctrines.

Keep your mouth shut!

So, it is God-made doctrine that there is no hell fire? That Jesus is Angel Michael? That only 144,000 people would be saved? That Jesus came in 1914 and started ruling as a mighty spirit King?

You deceitful son of a lying father. Show us your WOFBI certificate. Who is your father? Give us the proof of non-scripted JW talks as evidence. If you cannot provide all these 4, your are a confirmed liar and agent of hell. Boomark of Satan, I'm waiting for you!

Boomark:
It is not by shouting pathological liar upandan. Seen picture evidence of a greatest liar competing with satan.

From the picture I merely asked question to know, but you, being a gossiping liar turned it and lied that I said JW talks are not scripted. I think he is an illiterate liar.

Seen how he panicked with his response. Asking me why I am asking him such question. That shows he doesn't know anything but acting on gossip.

A vague question that doesn't address the matter at hand would receive a question as a response. Only people with low IQ call queries panic.

Question:

1. Who told you that I am a JW and how did you know I lied about not being a JW? From me or from inspired gossip?

Common sense told me you are a JW. You attack other Christians for exposing JW while defending the lies and deception of your cult. If you're not a JW, prove that right now by giving us the certificate from the church where you were ordained an evangelist!

2. Who told you that I am not an evangelist and how did you know I lied? From me or from inspired gossip?

No true evangelist defends a an organization known for its false doctrines, lies and outright manipulation of scriptures. No true evangelist believes that Jesus came in 1914 and started ruling as a mighty spirit King that year in heaven. No true evangelist believes that Jesus is Angel Michael. No true evangelist believes that there's no hell fire! If you're truly an evangelist, present your ordination certificate. I would verify the certificate myself.

Answer these questions, clear yourself, and show the world that you are not a liar.

Whichever way you will be sinking in a deep mess, wether you answer it or dodge it as usual. I will take picture evidence to deal with you. You have the right to flee or I will continue the slaying with evidence.

Go and check one thread, the guy called me a robber has fled after seeing my questions.

I am still Boomark, the slayer of liars and gossipers.

Boomark of Satan, reply me asap as I have many shockers in the oven for you. I hate lying boasters with passion. I'll be your albatross on this platform.

How can any so called evangelist defend an organization that confessed in court that they've been teaching untruths and that they're the only religion in the world that forces falsehood on its members on the pain of spiritual death.

I'm not your regular debater. If you're for truth boomark of Satan, you'll enjoy me. But if you're for lies, I'll deal mercilessly with you.

Present your certificate, respond to my answers and clear yourself to show the world that you're not a liar!

achorladey:
I no dey take im words serious anymore. You cannot come to nairaland and count scores looking for wins over Bible discussion. Learning far from such ones. They are here to hammer whatever they have with no questions asked from anyone. You either accept or they believe they are superior to you. They don't really care about what you have.

Yeah, he's after wins only. Not knowledge or further clarity. All of them are like that. The latest addition to the list is boomark of Satan who is even the most foolish of them all.

achorladey:
A person don't know how Jehovah’s witnesses give their talks and scripts used in giving such talks says another person is a liar regarding what he does not know.

Can you see how empty headed such a deceitful fellow is? He can't even tell an intelligent lie because he's too dull.

Boomark:
I cannot get out o.

See evidence of your Sunday school gossip inspired doctrine that you are spreading like wild fire.

My signature is not for nothing. Once I start asking you questions, know that your problem has just begun and am about to slay lies. My questions bring painment to the heart of liars.

Go and lie no more.

I am the slayer of gossip inspired Sunday school teachers who speak from both sides of their mouth.

Boomark of God.

Keep your mouth shut. How can a liar be a slayer of lies? You're an attacker of truth. An enemy of righteousness

Now, point out the lies I told from your screenshot. What exactly does your screenshot prove?

The LIAR is Boomark who says JW talks are not scripted. When asked to describe how they do it, he claimed he does not know. The PATHOLOGICAL LIAR is Boomark who lied that he's not a JW, he also lied that he's an evangelist just to deceive people.

Boomark of Satan, the attacker of truth, lover of lies, you have been exposed.

Lucifyre:
In the vast expanse of Christian scriptures, amidst the intricate narratives of creation, prophecy, and salvation, there exists a notable absence – the explicit mention of planets. While the Bible which was divinely inspired to the extents of crafting how everything came to be, the celestial bodies known as planets are conspicuously absent from its pages. Why is that?? Why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, lack explicit references to planets? which God also created by the way.

From the Genesis account of creation to the apocalyptic visions of Revelation, the Bible unfolds a narrative that delves into the depths of human existence and the divine plan. Yet, amidst this exploration of the cosmos, planets as astronomical entities remain notably unaddressed. The creation story doesn't tell us when any of the planets where created or why. If it was divinely inspired wouldn't it have featured basicallly how and what time God created the planets?? maybe even the asteroids and black holes. But all these are noticeably absent all through despite the divine inspiration.

The absence stands in contrast to other religious traditions, some even older, where planets, play significant roles in cosmological narratives and religious symbolism. I Was recently reading a version of the sumerian recently, about the aliens( Enllil, Enki) from the planet Nibiru it got me thinking. Even in Greek mythology, planets are personified as gods and goddesses governing various aspects of existence. So once again why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, divine inspiration lack explicit references to planets?

Maybe there are theological reasons which could answer this but i very much doubt it. My pov?! These people where simply limited by what they knew and saw at the time and crafted a narrative around it. Heck the writers of the story of babel believed they could use their limited technology at the time to build a tower and it'll reach God. We've built way taller structures and that's putting it lightly and we still haven't reached the skies. Heck we've even travelled past the skies using other means and found way more phenomenal stuff like planets, asteroids, blackholes, solar systems that they couldn't comprehend then due to obvious limitations ergo they weren't part of the narrative or story. If divinely inspired, these limitations ought not to exist and these phenomenons ought to have been added to the creation story. Or maybe there's a theological pov, but i doubt it.

Why the doubt?! Because even when men of science without divine inspiration found out these phenomenons and proposed their theories (heliocentricity) which later became fact, the divinely inspired church which ought to have known by the divine fought against it with its own, now proven wrong theory (geocentricism, where they believed the sun stood still). Even going as far as persecuting and forcing those who found the truth of what we now know today to recant their theories. This was until they finally admitted they were wrong and accepted fact.

Shouldn't the church have known the right reality of things first since it's divinely inspired?? Shouldn't the divinely inspired texts also have featured these later discoveries. So i end with saying again why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, divine inspiration lack explicit references to planets and other celestial bodies apart from what was visible to the naked eyes as at then?? Why aren't they featured in the creation story??

The. Bible is not a Book of science. The theme of the Bible is Man's fall, God's promised remedy and God's execution of His promise. No more, no less. Planets would be mentioned only if they were relevant to a discussion. The Bible wasn't written to discuss planets.

However, every allusion of the Bible to anything scientific has been proven to be correct. Even as at the time when science said the earth is flat, the Bible already says the earth is spherical - this was more than 3,000 years ago, ever before science came to that reality!

Here are some Bible verses that describe the Earth as spherical or indicate its curvature:

1. Isaiah 40:22 - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..."

Note that the Hebrew word used for "circle" in Isaiah 40:22 is "chug" (חוּג).

"Chug" can be translated to English as:

- Circle
- Sphere
- Roundness
- Curvature

'Sogere,' is the most appropriate translation here.

2. Job 26:10 - "He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness." Talking about the creation of the earth.

3. Proverbs 8:27- "When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when He drew a circle on the face of the deep..."

There are other scientific facts that the Bible had known long before science discovered them.

Here are some Bible references that describe scientific concepts or facts that were later confirmed by science:

1. The Earth is suspended in space:
- Job 26:7 - "He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth over nothing."

- (Confirmed by science: The Earth is indeed suspended in space, held by gravity and orbital forces.)

2. The water cycle:
- Ecclesiastes 1:7 - "All streams run to the sea, but the sea is never full; then the water returns again to the streams, and again it returns to the sea."

- (Confirmed by science: The water cycle, or hydrologic cycle, describes the continuous movement of water between the Earth and atmosphere.)

3. The importance of blood in the body:
- Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

- (Confirmed by science: Blood plays a crucial role in transporting oxygen, nutrients, and waste products throughout the body.)

Lucifyre:
Fair enough. Can u provide bible verses to back it?

1. God does change His mind. This is very evidenced in Scripture. Accounts are innumerable but I'll give you one.

God changed His mind concerning the eternal priesthood of the house of Aaron:

1 Samuel 2:30
"Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.’ But now the LORD declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained."

2. Man can see God but man in his flesh cannot behold the face of God. He'll die.

Exodus 24:10
"There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself."

Lucifyre:
Wow! just wow! And i'm supposed to be the one deficient in reasoning 🙆🏽. Since when did AI develop beliefs or start taking sides, be it pro or against any belief system. It responds to and in accordance to whatever ur prompt is, be it for or against. But u too busy basking in your ignorance to ever bother educating urself. Go educate urself. Disappointing.

I did not use prompt for my debate. I wrote and asked AI to detect scientific errors and fallacies, and make my write-up presentable. You're just too angry to see that Atheism is being destroyed by this argument. Stop crying and counter the debate! Even if AI made the whole piece, counter it! I showed you evidence of how I countered AI when it argued against me on this very topic.

You guys are just shameless. You first berated me for debating AI. AI is more intelligent and more knowledgeable than any human. Yet, AI could not counter this argument!

AI has put off the strongest argument against me which none of you humans had been able to match till now! Instead of whining and crying that I'm using AI, put up.your arguments too. Even if it's AI, defeat it. Meanwhile, these are my arguments. 100% my thoughts. No one anywhere can claim this arguments to be his.

AI has been trained on Evolution data only. Not Creationism! AI argues only for Evolution! Stop being a nuisance and face the task at hand!

If you still don't believe that I own this argument, then, take the challenge and defeat AI as I did. Stop crying. These are my thoughts. Not prompts. AI was not trained to deliver my line of argument. Perhaps you don't know that AI cannot do anything outside of its training!

Boomark:
Gossip inspired Sunday school teacher. You must not fail to know that...

I am Boomark of the only true God. The slayer of gossipers and liars.

You're a lying JW demon. Get out, you shameless and filthy liar!

Boomark:
As far as I am concerned, there is no peace for wicked and those who persecute and lie against other Christian. I have shown you your title as a great liar with picture evidence. You are dumbfounded.

After all said and done, it is now evident that your Sunday school inspired teachings are inspired gossips and hearsay from an antichrist named achorladey. When they ask you in Sunday school, "are you sure, please explain how they do the scripting?" You will tell them that you are still waiting for debunkers to debunk the gossip.

What a terrible, illiterate response from a gossip inspired Sunday school teacher. You can continue your lamentations. And again, have you heard that....

I am Boomark of the Most High. The slayer of liars.

Shut up. Which great lie have I told? You pathological demonic and unrepentant foolish liar.

Boomark of Satan lover of lies, hater of truth. God's judgement would come speedily upon your head to give your the wrath of God for liars in good measure.

Demon possessed JW cultist using all manner of lies and deception to defend his cult. Good judgement shall be hastened upon you if you fail to repent. You filthy demon.

Lucifyre:
Wow! just wow! And i'm supposed to be the one deficient in reasoning 🙆🏽. Since when did AI develop beliefs or start taking sides, be it pro or against any belief system. It responds to and in accordance to whatever ur prompt is, be it for or against. But u too busy basking in your ignorance to ever bother educating urself. Go educate urself. Disappointing.

Of course, you're really deficient of reasoning. Since you're unable to counter the argument, you want to find solace in blaming AI for your inability.

I've been debating AI for a long time on different topics okay. It's not anything new except for your analogue brains. If this is AI, debate it too like I did if you have any strong counter in your head? Or are you afraid to debate AI? Moreso, the debated points, logic and framework are 100% mine. Stop wailing and start taking the bulls by the horns!

Lucifyre:
Even more ludicrous then. Na IT specialist they claim to beat AI 🙆🏽😅 Warra specialist.

Mtcheww!

Lucifyre:
The fact you were a student of one of the sciences and can't comprehend how AI works is all the more embarrassing. Na really fine tuning, fine tuning or copy paste after you gave it a shallow prompt and it responded. The fact you're ignorant and allergic to sound reasoning doesn't mean everyone is on that plane. Its like a 5yr old kid lying to an adult and the adult sees through the bs, but the kid feels he's pulled a smart one. Told you to go, so you won't embarrass urself any further but u insist on it. Who was even having a debate with you, last i checked you chickened out like a coward. You want to destroy atheism?! lol! Its ok, be my guest and have at it, you won't be the first. Besides i'm not even am atheist.

Keep your mouth shut. I'm an IT specialist. You can't even be the one to teach me about AI.

Liar! Who did I chicken out from? What was the debate he or she made that led to me chickening out? What was the exact counter that I could not respond to and ran away from?

AI can fine tune whole documents. Are you this ignorant? So, each time you hear AI, prompt is what comes to your head? Olodo.

Go and sit down!

Lucifyre:
Imagine stealing the words and thought process of someone you "defeated" & then bragged about their defeat. Like how low can you go. So ludacris ludicrous.

Are you this deficient in reasoning?

AI does not argue for Creationism but against it. So, any argument for Creationism cannot be from an AI's thought process.

Boomark:
See it here. All these because I asked you to explain something you foolishly copied from another person. He knows how they do scripting but you don't know and you are following him sheepishly. That foolishness at its peak.

See evidence that you are full of lies in the picture

You have no shame! A wise person would have held his peace after I showed him that the claim was corroborated by another, and was never debunked by current members.

Foolish satanic evangelist, you who don't know how they do scripting should not be the one telling us that their scripting is not what we thought. How old are you sef? It seems I'm talking to some wayward kid.

bolabizzle:


The funny thing is when MaxInDHouse was typing that nonsense you quoted, he knows in his heart that he can't utter that rubbish in front of his members or overseers.

If he tries it, they will label him what he has labelled us. So the best thing for him to do is to be a coward online and post what he thinks about his organisation. The guy can't ever see it that by that action he is officially what he calls us, an apostate. He is too dull and foolish, a complete olodo and am happy that he is like that.

MaxInDHouse, don't ever stop the work you are doing here. Since you came to nairaland your work here has made tremendous progress.

Everyone now knows your organisation is filled with pedophiles, rapist, child abusers and nobody takes witnesses here serious. Weldone.

Let me also give kudos to DoWhatThouWilt for the constant updates on child abuse cases going on in the pedophile organisation of Jehovah's witnesses.

Gbam!

"While typing that nonsense, he knows in his heart that he can't utter those words before his members."

What better way to describe a false teacher and an hypocrite?

Lucifyre:
Dude just bow out silently. U've been utterly embarrassed from the very beginning of this thread to the last, which is ironic seeing the topic and original intent of the thread. Digging ur heels further can only be explained by ego and its turning into second hand embarrassment with all the shameless deflection and lying as well. Not surprised though afterall this is someone who claimed science proposed the earth was flat and religion claimed it was spherical, an outright lie. So just go, it's best for you honestly.

Are you afraid of the argument? Bow out for what exactly? You guys can't even put up any reasonable defence but yet you hold on to your falsehood because you're satanic agents on a mission.

Embarrassed by what exactly? Embarrassed by allowing AI to fine-tune my response and presentation? Are you this backward in your reasoning? Lady, this is a debate and not a thesis. I'm free to use AI for fine-tuning and there's no rule against that.

I left the university as a maths graduate almost 30yrs ago. I never took up a scientific job neither did I even take up a science textbook ever since. I branched into something else. It is not wrong for me to tell AI to fine-tune my submissions, alert me to fallacies and scientific errors..

Atheism would be destroyed. Tell Satan when you get to your camp that someone is on Nairaland destroying atheism and that the person has promised to take the fight to YouTube.

Judas1X:
Of course, you didn't steal the words of a human, but you stole the words of a robot. AI has never been so raped repeatedly by a brain-dead gnat such as yourself .

You mean I stole the words I fed into a robot? Dey play.

achorladey:
You want to resume your madness and insanities peddling this morning laced with lies and manipulations.



Quote about what?



What will be the essence of examining it first? I want to see it.



At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

You go dey alright last last with this your latest madness and insanities peddling instalment



Looool! When you are done with your merry go round. You go sit tight.



The arrangement of your 9 GODS of men housed in USA giving you orders to shun apostates who are good for nothing and workers of lawlessness Madness and insanities peddling dey your brains.



In your madness and insanities peddling brains has Achorladey turn his backs on what your GODS of men housed in USA taking the lead state?

A. Yes

B. No
Na me you dey use play abi?



Na your hypocrisy no allow you see am added to your need to peddle lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains. E go clear when you attend to the question above




So says the madness and insanities peddling brains that was giving me reasons why he trust them completely even adding 100%




No wonder you call yourself and made yourself a worst fool on nairaland. When Achorladey chose to stand based on his own conviction is an APOSTATE of your Jehovah's organization led by same men not master over your own faith . Madness and insanities peddling dey your brains. ka ji ko?


cc: Emusan, FxMasterz, Bolabizzle

The guy is still defending himself against the clear instructions of his leaders. He's an hypocrite.

Judas1X:
See excuses . You go really explain tire . Copy and paste warrior who can't even write his own words without AI looking over his shoulder .

Except you can produce the thoughts as that of another man, please keep shut.

I didn't steal anyone's debate or words!

Everyday247:
Abeg boss, no go YouTube with this. YouTube is more brutal than Nairaland.

No wahala. The truth must still go out. The lies atheist tell must be debunked.

Judas1X:
Oga, you don't have the cognitive competence to construct a coherent argument yourself, that's why you need an AI to "make your submissions presentable". The thoughts may be yours, but the words aren't. It's really that simple .

This is the first time I've seen someone outrightly defending his intellectual poverty. Your facade is poorly costumed, it can't stand the rays of truth - that your brain is subpar in every ramifications .

You can go through all my arguments, woman. I'm not your mate when it comes to cognitive competence. It was my competence that gave me the argument points in the first place. I asked AI to fine-tune my texts, proofread, make edits and crosscheck me for any fallacy, what is wrong with that?

The cognition is mine while the fine-tuning is AI. Have you found any similar argument online? Wait till I hit YouTube with this argument. You're just ranting any childish thing your head tells you.

Judas1X:
Come, is your eye paining you that you can't see the screenshots that I and hopefulLandlord uploaded? When will you stop being a deceitful twát? A good number of your posts here were AI generated! No, please... explain yourself! Define plagiarism for me. Olodo .

Olodo. That's not plagiarism. We're not writing these. That I asked AI to make my submission presentable does not mean anything. The thoughts are still mine nonetheless!

You can't find my argument anywhere online. Prove me wrong.