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zombieHUNTER:
lets say Jesus Christ from Nigeria, the poverty capital of the world will comfortably have a private jet while more than half the population can barely feed ?...

You know Jesus will rather trekk barefoot than a single Nigerian go hungry

But Adeboye is not Jesus Christ
Or trying to be christ like

He's just running a business empire

Adeboye does not own Redeem. He's an employee of the Church too!

Franking:
Shut up your dirty mouth....

Open up your dirty mouth if you have anything to say!

kpompey:
Have they visited Borno where Shekau live for years. See any visit outside Nigeria is a business trip with very high ROI. Are you aware that in every Redeem church all tithes and offering must be remitted back to the redemption camp. When parishes now need money or want to pay rent, they get 20% from the center after filling multiple form and letters to justify the need. The remaining 80% are paid by members. Have you asked your self where pastors are making their first son as the next G.O in line to succeed them. They are not waiting for God to choose but instead they are chosen themselves.

Yes, they can make their first Sons or any other son as their successors if they believe they're the only ones who'll remain true to the founding vision after their departure. Except God says otherwise, it's not a sin!

kpompey:
Have they visited Borno where Shekau live for years. See any visit outside Nigeria is a business trip with very high ROI. Are you aware that in every Redeem church all tithes and offering must be remitted back to the redemption camp. When parishes now need money or want to pay rent, they get 20% from the center after filling multiple form and letters to justify the need. The remaining 80% are paid by members. Have you asked your self where pastors are making their first son as the next G.O in line to succeed them. They are not waiting for God to choose but instead they are chosen themselves.

Adeboye does not own Redeem. He's an employee of the church too. A salary earned. How does the policy of the Church have anything to do with him if all the members of the church are not opposed to it. What's your now concern?

They have visited places more dangerous than Bornu where cannibals are the major threats. They have established branches in Bornu too and even in dangerous fanatical Islamic nations.

BadBradley:
the prime minister of UK doesn't own a plane to himself and your god of men isn't any busier than a pure water seller.

He's not as busy as these men of God. Does the Prime minister of UK have multiple appointments in different nations of the works every week as these people?

casualobserver:
Are they more Christian than the Pope?

Nonsense!

You mean the pope who worships and idol called Mary? You're very ignorant!!

StillDtruth:
Did they give any of them horses and chariots and carriages and even lands or houses? No.

If they gave them, they'll not reject it. You cannot fault a man according to the gifts someone else gave to him

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b]Sorry, your pastor Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are falls prophets and not of God![/b]

According to StillDtruth. Someone who doesn't even believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Lol.

Everyday247:
This thread never die?

E no go die.

Atheists want it to die but the thread dey gidigba.

[quote author=StillDtruth post=131788349]Thrash
Moses and the prophets did it, who gave them gifts?

The Lord, Himself did it and His disciples too, who gave them plenty gifts?

They received gifts. Yes or no?

Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God![/b]

Okay. That's alright. No need to argue with you.

StillDtruth:
It is babies who are limited in knowledge and cannot decide right and wrong.

Adults eg Adam, Cain, Pharoah, Moses, the isrealites and Amelekites, Buhari, Tinubu and even you knew right and wrong even though you would say thay all have limited knowledge.

So this holds no water.



As i said The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing or participating in any evil thing.

And not by going up and down making noises

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8



The bible said it, all must work. We all know gifts are not given unless he made bloated promises or he is a witch like simon.the sourcerer.

As great as Moses and the prophets were.did people give them gifts? No.

Or inspite of all The Lord, Jesus did and gave who gave Him many a plenty gifts?

These men are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

The bible already shows us what real men of God are like and what always happens to them.

Oyedepo doesn't make any promises to receive gifts. People who have been blessed by his ministry gift him everyday. He rarely buys anything with his money. Even factories abroad send him regular gifts of clothes, shoes, etc. There are those whose lives have been touched by his ministry and are regular and committed givers without him ever asking. Oyedepo would never ask you for a dime. He even boasts that his ministry has never asked anyone for contribution. "All you see here can only be God. We are not achievers. We are just receivers. This ministry has never asked anybody for money. A believer is not saved to live a beggarly life." Please don't sin by attacking men of God by your limited knowledge.

You did cut off my statement to establish a what you wanted to say. I said we cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. You started talking about deciding right and wrong as though that's what I said.

As far as Spiritual issues are concerned, we are all learners No one can claim to be a master of spiritual truths. It would even be pride to say that.

Paul said:

"For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you."

Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought to think. Knowledge puffs up but charity edifies.

1 Corinthians 12:1
"Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God."

He even said that you should not think you know anything yet as you ought to know.

The men of God you're calling devils have hazarded their lives for the gospel more than you have ever done. They have severe God ministry whole heatedly for more than 50yrs without a single scandal in their ministries. Please be guided in your utterances. Remain blessed.

StillDtruth:
. Don't you know a lawyer is a soldier? The Christian soldiers hymn is no joke for living is a war and every evil we see will be attacked and destroyed with furious anger.

Neither give place to the devil. Is The Law

Lol. But that's not the way it should be. We're still limited in knowledge and therefore cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. Do not judge or call people devils. Tomorrow, when more knowledge comes to you, you'll call them saints. Just as you can see better today regarding your actions yesterday. You'll still see better tomorrow regarding your actions of today.

Many years ago, I used to think that buying jets for men of God is evil as you are thinking today. But after my own personal experience with ministry, I saw why it was necessary for them. Without it, they wouldn't be able to accomplish much. Jesus said, "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel." He didn't tell us to wait for the people to come to us.

It seems you believe that these people are fake. Well, maybe I'm also fake to you as well. But you see, people who are into religion always see others as fake, and are always angry when others don't do what they thought they should have done. But people who have met Jesus don't reason like that. God loves sinners and wants them to come into Righteousness. God does not hate sinners. He only hates the sins they commit. Infact, God loves sinners. That's why Jesus had to die for everyone. He didn't die for the righteous. He died for sinners.

We are commanded to pity sinners. Not to be angry with them or call them mad.

Jude 1:23

"...and for others, save, snatching them out of the fire; and on others have mercy with fear, hating even the tunic polluted by the flesh."

Save them, hate only the garment of sin they wear but have mercy on those wearing those garments and save them from the fire.

And let me also add that these men of God do a lot of charity work which they don't announce. Charity worth several millions of dollars yearly from their personal pockets.

Oyedepo doesn't earn any salary as a person. Most of what he has are gifts including the jets.

StillDtruth:
Ta!

Thieves on the pulpit.

Even you, wish to be like them.

It is definitely not God Who sent them for God knows the power of One.

So if indeed they were God sent, the whole world would come to them which is of course convenient and restfull rather than they fly gloriously all over the world, living abundantly whereas, their suppises sheep are hungry, sick, homeless and jobless.

Neither Christ nor the disciples did this but of course thieves carrying bibles would not like to see their plans condemned.

At the bolded, since you're the one who is God-sent, I can see that the whole world has come to you. Or perhaps they're with your God-sent pastor.

I don't even know why you're always militant in all your posts. Are you a soldier-lawyer?

MightySparrow:
True talk Sír.


Cynics how far?

C:
maximumSide
Antichristian
Kobojunkie

A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

Boomark:
FxMasterz

Okay, Sorry for everything. I have abandoned people in their 30s.

Why I asked you to explain scripting is because I felt Pentecostals might be the same thing we accuse them of doing. I still don't know how they do it because I know they use scriptures to teach. Maybe MaxinDHouse should just explain it to me how they meant it so I will know if it is worth it.

I don't belong to anyone but the will of God. Even the catholic church that I don't like, I will not support anything that false against them. If you see me defending that particular thing you will think I am one of them.

If any any JW insult you again first without any provocation just call me and leave the fight for me, I will deal with the person for you. But if na catholic, my hands and legs no dey. Most of them are very far from the repentance.

This is really beautiful of you! You have behaved like a true Christian. A true child of God. This is what makes the difference between us and unbelievers. I can say it anywhere that no Atheist, Muslim or JW can ever humble himself and sincerely apologize as you have now done. I have done exactly like this, many times on this platform even to those who were my aggressors. Yesterday I have apologized to an atheist who was always insulting me on every thread.

It takes the indwelling Presence of the Spirit of God for anyone to exude such virtue. I'm glad to see this brighter side of you, and I believe that you have set a godly standard as a Christian right now on Nairaland. This is commendable and worthy of emulation. Only the Holy Spirit can do this in a man. I have had many issues with many unbelievers on this platform on the matters of faith. The very aggressors are the ones who'll be demanding apology. They'll step on your toes and still ask you to say sorry. What you've done is exactly what Christ taught us, and that's what God expects of us. I believe we have both learnt one or two things from our interactions together. At least, God has used our initial disagreements to show forth His Glory. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

You want to help me deal with the JWs? Hahaha, once they begin, na only go dem hear o, dem no dey hear come. Thanks for the offer but I wouldn't want you to be dragged into such things as that. Shimei cursed David on the day that Absalom chased him out of Israel. David was asked to retaliate but he responded with Devine Wisdom:

2 Samuel 16:7-12

"And thus said Shimei when he cursed, Come out, come out, thou bloody man, and thou man of Belial: The Lord hath returned upon thee all the blood of the house of Saul, in whose stead thou hast reigned; and the Lord hath delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom thy son: and, behold, thou art taken in thy mischief, because thou art a bloody man. Then said Abishai the son of Zeruiah unto the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? let me go over, I pray thee, and take off his head. And the king said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah? so let him curse, because the Lord hath said unto him, Curse David. Who shall then say, Wherefore hast thou done so? And David said to Abishai, and to all his servants, Behold, my son, which came forth of my bowels, seeketh my life: how much more now may this Benjamite do it? let him alone, and let him curse; for the Lord hath bidden him. It may be that the Lord will look on mine affliction, and that the Lord will requite me good for his cursing this day."

In the end, Shimei came back to bow before David. This is because "The evil bows before the good, And the wicked at the gates of the righteous . Proverbs 14:19. It's just a matter of time.

I really enjoy their abuses and insults. Sometimes when they do, I rejoice. There are times I have responded with the following Scripture:

'If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified." 1Peter 4:14.

The more they curse and abuse, and insult me, the more the glory of God increases upon my life. They think they're reproaching me but to me, it's a blessing. God will certainly "requite me good for their insults."

Thanks again my brother for the offer. God bless you richly in Jesus name.

jaephoenix:
These are the first few insults you started raining on me. Even when you found out you were wrong that I actually replied you, you didnt tender any apology, but u continued raining insults

Jaephoenix, there's no insult in the screenshots you posted. Post your mention that I responded to. You were insulting me all through the thread until I made the post in the screenshot you attached.

Anyway, I'm a Christian and the Lord Jesus has commanded me to make peace with all men. So, even though you do not deserve an apology, I will in total obedience to my Master apologize to you. I'm sorry.

jaephoenix:
These are the first few insults you started raining on me. Even when you found out you were wrong that I actually replied you, you didnt tender any apology, but u continued raining insults

You're very satanic, and one does not have to be surprised. You lie exactly the same as Satan himself.

Why did you crop out your insults! So, telling you that you were perambulating is an insult? I proved your deceits before telling you that you're deceitful. That isn't an insult and I owe you no apology whatsoever!

From your very first mention of me on this thread, you came with insults. At least all readers can see that. You're just too satanic and demonic for any truth to reside in you!

Be bold enough to fully screenshot any of the posts you made on this thread before today. I dare you!

jaephoenix:
This is the fourth time in this debate youre saying something and denying it. So I'll show you your OP of which Intelligent Design was in fact your first point.
Stupi.d idio.tic liar

So, why did you crop in only number 1. Why didn't you include the other points?

Are you blind to see that you're the one who is a stupid and idiotic liar? You don't even have shame. Very dull and unintelligent atheist!

I posted Key Points, the pathological liar posted only one point.

It's time to start ignoring all the stupid and unintelligent atheists on this thread!

Any protest that does not demand accountability from state governments is useless.

jaephoenix:
1.Maybe you have brain gay, bast.ard Christian. You specifically said we have INTELLIGENT design, not just any design. I keep on pointing to this point you made but obviously you don't know how to counter me cos it was chatgpt that wrote it for you. So type my rebuttal into chatgpt and let it help you, foo.lish fooool
2.Idotic ignoramus, please ask chatgpt how we get skin cancers?
3.But you said we have the PERFECT amount of oxygen in the lungs, didn't you?
4. So the intelligent design of the tectonic plates was to cause tsunamis and earthquakes? Whoa
5. Did you read where I said the protection wasn't enough, idioti.c fo.ol?

Jaephoenix, honestly you're very dull.

Go back to the first page of this thread and you'll see clearly that the argument is based on three interwoven factors:

1. Intelligent Design
2. Complex Systems
3. Purposefulness.

All 3 together forms the basis of this entire argument. Everything rests on Purposefulness. Infact if there's no Purposefulness, I'll have no argument today.

You kept arguing on flaws, flaws, flaws and now calling you father a bastard.

jaephoenix:
Oya na go youtube. Please give us link so we go dey watch

Sure!

jaephoenix:
AI uses what was inputed in it. Ask it theological questions and it answers as if it is a priest

Still it will not debate for Creationism. You can test it out yourself and bring proof if you found it otherwise.

jaephoenix:
Oga, those points were raised by AI and not you

Kikiki.

So AI will debate for Creationism? You don't even know what you're saying! Go and try it now and bring it here for us to see.

jaephoenix:
Which branch of IT? Abi u be phone seller for Otigba dey form IT specialist?
Btw, all your points fall flat. You couldn't counter all the points I raised

Nothing concerns you about my branch. I know a lot more than you do concerning these things. I did computer science and maths. So, go and sit down.

jaephoenix:
AI picks up stuff from a large data base and analyzes it. The database may be theological articles etc. These articles, materials are all part of its programming. Thus it neither argues for or against creationism, dvmmy

I showed you that AI debated for evolution, not creationism. Go debate AI yourself and let's see how it goes.

Go online and find similar thoughts as mine if you can find any.

jaephoenix:
There is only one way to believe this bullshit.
Show us the screenshot of the 'idea' you inserted into chatgpt to fine-tune.
Thank you

You don't need to believe. Answer the debate. This is not a thesis. I can use anything for my debates.

There are many responses here. Stop dwelling on just one response to make a point.

jaephoenix:
Lol. 'Lies atheists tell' that you need chatgpt to tell you
Aint you a nice lil bitch?

Only weak atheist will hold on to one argument presented out of several arguments just because it was finetuned by AI. Agree you have nothing to defend and go rest.

jaephoenix:
Which Youtube? Don't try this stunt outside Nairaland. Some people no get filter, they would ridicule you til you run away

Yes, the attacks are welcome. That's what I want. I want very hot debates!

jaephoenix:
Obviously, you are the one that lacks the balls or brains to debate, thus you run to chatgpt

For only one answer provided out of 2 answers for one question? Only one fine-tuning for all the numerous answers here? Dey play!

jaephoenix:
It has been proven. Aren't you seeing the pics?

Not proven. That's not plagiarism. The thoughts don't belong to anybody.

jaephoenix:
If you ask chatgpt 'to make your submission presentable' , it won't say the post is 100% AI generated, it would say 50% or so. Stop lying idiota

As long as it is rewritten and represented in AI language, it would be more than 50%. It said it's 85% AI. Not 100%.

jaephoenix:
You're using AI to fine-tune what?
Lol 😆 bwahahahah (lemme laugh like LordReed)
You're talking to folks that use AI on the regular. I use them sometimes for my blog even though I don't use them for my arguments here. Any stuff the AI spews out isn't your thought but machine generated, and if another person asks that same question or query, he gets the same answer

Go and sit down.

I made two answers to the same question. One was not fine-tuned, the other was. Only one response out of all the several responses here have been so finetuned. Yet, you want to make a mountain out of that molehill.

Hey, this is a debate and not a thesis. The tools I use in fine-tuning my debates are up to me. There's no rule broken. Moreover, just one answer out of two answers provided to the same mention. So, what's the problem with you guys? And that's the only finetuned response on this thread!

jaephoenix:
You told hopefulLandlord that you made the post, liar
You're just like your father

Yes, I made the post. I have never said AI made the post.

Or you don't understand the use of 'If' statements? I'm challenging the fellow that she should challenge the debate whether she thinks it's from AI or from me. A debate is a debate. Meanwhile I emphasized that the thoughts are 100% mine while I asked AI to make it presentable and alert me to scientific errors. The post is 100% my post.