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jaephoenix:
You told hopefulLandlord that you made the post, liar
You're just like your father

Yes, I made the post. I have never said AI made the post.

Or you don't understand the use of 'If' statements? I'm challenging the fellow that she should challenge the debate whether she thinks it's from AI or from me. A debate is a debate. Meanwhile I emphasized that the thoughts are 100% mine while I asked AI to make it presentable and alert me to scientific errors. The post is 100% my post.

jaephoenix:
Just check my chat with you. You're the first to start throwing insults, when the insult is hurled back, it becomes a problem. Idiot

Why don't you bring up the proof yourself?

That was how you lied against me on the other thread after I accused you of calling me a retard. You said you never did. Once I proved you did, you started saying I first started it. When I proved you were the aggressor, you started saying it was not directed at me.

Now, trace all our conversations on this thread. Even when you insult me, how have I responded to you? Did I even respond back with insults? Yet, you continue. You start all conversations with insults until I told you that your mind is very dirty.

Boomark:
My God will not judge me. He has set me aside not to behave and insist on lies like you people. Sorry for that comment. I said it because of the way you keep insisting that I must have evangelist certificate as if I need it to earn salary. I know most pastors earn salaries.

Apology accepted. By this I know that at least, you still have the fear of God in you.

So you you are saying that you don't earn salary as a pastor or they pursued you 23 years ago and you are no longer a pastor?

I was not pursued. I left for other assignments as directed by the Master. I'm still in ministry.

You are the one that has a very very bad character and lying spirit. See my first conversations with you and it was a question which you never answered till date. From there, you started calling me a liar, Boomark of satan and so so many abusive words JUST BECAUSE OF A QUESTION THAT PUT YOU IN DILEMMA. You are not fit to be a teacher.

From my reply, you obviously saw I didn't insult you even in the screenshots you posted.

Your question didn't put me in dilemma. It lacked substance. How can anyone be asking anybody if all the things he ever taught was in the Bible? I have even gone to explain to you that it is better for you to ask if all I ever taught ALIGNED with the Bible. How does a talk about scripting have anything to do with whether my teachings were in the Bible or not? You failed to explain that till today.

I had wanted us to do the Quora and scripting stuff but since you don't want no problem. As for me alone, there is no retreat no surrender.

Now you have to apologise to me for calling me Boomark of satan, for saying that I am a liar, and for insisting that I am a JW when I have told you severally that I am not. If you refuse to apologise, then the judgment will upon you.

I believe I should be your elder. From all your writings, I can deduce that you are a young chap. You should still apologize for telling me for telling me "I don't want to say you don't have sense. Your head is empty, etc " it was these statements that led me to querying and tagging you satanic. Go through all my interactions on this platform. I don't firstly abuse people. The JWs in particular heap a lot of insults upon me daily to which I never have retaliated. Although I retaliated once against one small boy among them who will start all his posts with me using all manner insults. I eventually even apologized for that retaliation but yet he continued until very recently. Infact, that thread we came here from was the only thread on which that boy had not insulted me. Yet, I never replied him with insults. The reason I insulted you was not just because of the insults you peddled but because I could see the pride you were exhibiting while still calling yourself an evangelist. Honestly, you did not appropriately represent your calling on that thread.

1 Timothy 4,:12-13 says:

"Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

We are commanded to be an example of the believers in conversation and in character but you really fell short.

Biko, use 'Boomark of God...' when you want to start apologizing and also remember to tell us if you are still a pastor or not. Thank you.

Anyway, as the Word of God commands us to make peace with all men, I apologize for tagging you a fake evangelist. At least by your apology above, I know you fear God. However, you must work on your character. Respect people online and offline. Don't think that you know more than everybody and start addressing people as though you're the one who brought them into the world.

From now I retract my statement in calling you a Yahoo Evangelist and Boomark of Satan. If you're indeed Boomark of God, please prove yourself to be one. Do not drag God's name in the mud by your character. Stand for truth only as I can say that you lied very heavily on this thread. You can't call me a liar on the basis of what two former members of an organization and several other members of the organization have said about the organization. Or is it because I said they don't have the Spirit of God? JWs don't believe in the Holy Ghost the way we do. They have some nasty things they believe about the Holy Spirit, and that's why I spoke that way, saying they're not giving room for the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

I know JWs better than you do. I have tasted several denominations. Everything I say about JW is not to demarket them or to disparage them. It is to call their attention to the falsehood they hold on to, and to make them see the truth. Go through all my conversations with them on this platform, I have always called their attention to falsehoods in their organization while telling them to be loyal to their own souls instead of an organization, and therefore consider their eternal destination because God is not a respecter of persons. My messages to them has always been something similar to what you see here on the screenshot. Join us in our bid to rip them off the grip of satanic deception and falsehoods instead of commending the evils they do out of your ignorance.

When you oppose those who teach the truth to the people that are deceived, you end up fastening the noose of falsehoods around their necks. So, Boomark of God, learn, make necessary adjustments and join hands with those of us here who want more people to see the lights of the gospel and be saved. I love the JWs with the love of Christ. They're not my enemies. Anything I say to them is borne out of love for their souls. Even though, oftentimes they misunderstood.

Boomark:
I can shout to the high heavens that I am an evangelist of God and you have no right to ask me for receipt abi certificate. Do I look a business man? Yes, I have a very bad character towards liars and wicked people. You think I will pet and worship you and your lies?

1. You've been caught red handed already. Your lies and manipulations are already obvious on this thread. Are you still unable to produce any statement where I said you can only BECOME an evangelist by human ordination? You're one of those people whom the Bible refers to as "those who glory in their shame."

Shout as you may, we are suspicious of you because of your love for deceits and falsehoods. Your bad character and lack of a meek Spirit forces us to question your claim of being an evangelist. We want to know who ordained such a demon possessed fellow into ministry.

So after over 23 years as a former winners chapel pastor you cannot use a single scripture to defend what you are practicing? As in, you acquired a useless certificate just to be receiving SALARY as a pastor?

Except you have comprehension issues, you should have read already that in the days when certificates didn't exist, the apostles used endorsement letters! Or are you blind to even see in Acts 15 that the apostles complained that some people went from them to preach nonsense "without authorization from us."? Liars like you won't see that because the Bible is not their final say. Their own words are the only truth in the universe.

You call me a liar and a wicked fellow without any iota of proof! You have not been able to present any single proof of lies against me on this thread regarding this matter and other matters I have discussed with you. For the most part, I have exposed your lying and mischiefs on this thread beyond reasonable doubt. You can keep glorying in your shame.

"When your character is at variance with your claims of ministry, we would ask you to verify yourself with an ordination certificate." Your alibi of a spiritual ordination would not stand since by you character you do not show yourself to be a true servant of God.

Coincidentally, I have never received any salary in my life for being a Pastor. God will.judge you for this false narrative. I have been to several Churches and I have never received any pastoral salaries or emoluments because I do not want any earthly salary to deprive me of my full heavenly rewards. Except I have ever received salaries for pastoral work, God will judge you for this statement if you fail to retract and repent. I won't say more than that.

I want you to know that I can confidently say that I am an evangelist anywhere. And that your man-made article of faith, human ordination, human spiritual father, and certificates are very very worthlessly useless before God who gave the gift of evangelism and prophecy.

If oppose or disagree with what I wrote up there, we can start afresh with your scriptural proof.

Nobody is trying to kill your confidence, God forbid. I am putting a check on your character and spiritual qualifications because it is nothing to write home about. Shout wherever you can and make any claims you want, you are free but anyone who observes your bad character, demonic boasting and lying attitude would take it a step further to verify you by asking you for ordination proofs. If you are of good character and the evidence of a mature Christian is seen in you, you might not be asked. For now, by your bad character and your inability to state clearly who ordained you, I can suspect you to be a yahoo evangelist until you prove me wrong.

UPDATE:
THIS FORMER WINNERS CHAPEL PASTOR IS IN THE BUSINESS OF USING MAN-MADE CERTIFICATE TO COLLECT SALARIES FROM DIFFERENT CHURCHES. HE HAS FAILED TO DEFEND HIS HUMAN ORDINATION AND CERTIFICATE WITH ANY SCRIPTURE.


What a shame! I just wish I can tear that your certificate to pieces.

IF INDEED I HAVE EVER COLLECTED PASTORAL SALARIES USING MY PASTORAL CERTIFICATES, YOU'RE FREE FROM DEVINE JUDGEMENT, BUT IF THIS STATEMENT YOU MADE IS A LIE AGAINST MY PERSON, MAY THE ALMIGHTY GOD LOOK INTO IT AND JUDGE IT. MAY THE LORD JUDGE YOU FOR THIS FALSE STATEMENT.

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b]Now concerning Quora quotes and your JW false allegation against me, I will create a thread for it and you will answer all those questions you have been dodging. [/b]

What do you even make of yourself? You think I would be following you from thread to thread especially with your bad character and lying attitude? I have other better things to do with my time okay. I don't have time for unprofitable arguments.

JWs script their talks. Two ex members here have confirmed it. None of the members here have denied it. Both members and ex members on Quora have confirmed it. You are the only lone voice claiming otherwise. Case closed.

I will be very ruthless in dealing with you for insulting me just because I asked you to explain something. Your over 23 years didn't teach you anything from the bible.

You have the chance to apologise to me now or tell me to go ahead. when I am done, you will know that...

I am an evangelist. The slayer of useless certificates and lying salary pastors who don't know anything from the scripture. And..

I AM BOOMARK OF GOD.

Don't worry, I'm still playing with you hoping that you will get sensible and purport yourself. You would soon have a taste of how brutal I can get with pestilent personalities like you. I'll so deal deal with you that you break down and retrace your steps back to God if ever you really have met God indeed.

I didn't ask you for your Ordination certificate because of a question you asked. You lying soul. You asked a question that was vague and practically unrelated to the matter at hand, I asked you to clarify your question since I did not understand what exactly the question was intended for. I did not even know the answer you wanted. You started insulting me and even said "I don't want to say you don't have sense.". I started querying you from that time effort. Thereafter you went ahead to tell me I'm fully and empty. Even saying I'm a wicked lying pastor after you told us how you became bitter at a Winners pastor who didn't give you money you begged him for.

The demon possessed sons of the devil would always show themselves as useless souls lurking in the dark to deceive the gullible. They only have their boasting and shouting as proof of a call. If we ask someone to recommend you now as an evangelist, you will still find nobody because everyone knows you're demon possessed. You actually need deliverance.

Nothing proves you to be a true evangelist. The fruits you bear are demonic. Infact, by talking boastfully, abusing a fellow human, lying and seeking to distort obvious facts, I can confidently say that a demon dwells in you. You're actually demon possessed and need urgent deliverance.

"By their fruits you will know them", says the Lord Jesus.

Galatians 5:22-23
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

As long as we cannot see any of the above fruits in you, we would only verify you by your certificate. We want to know that man of God or Church who nurtured or trained someone of such devilish and satanic characters who now claims to be an evangelist. A yahoo evangelist at best.

MaxInDHouse:
Faith can cause a lot that's why it's better to leave it when there's no agreement and continue living as neighbors, after all whether we share the same beliefs or not he commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves {Mark 12:31} but when it's time for sacred services that's when to say GOODBYE TILL WE MEET SOME OTHER TIME!

Yeah, that's correct. You know I've never hated you. I don't have anything against you in spite of our disagreements. My heart is pure towards you. I don't abhor anything even when you blackmail me. I don't think any evil of you. I believe you also know this. I love everyone with the love of Christ, including you.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think faith can makes someone a sadist?
Of course i joke a lot, have lots of friends who aren't even members of JWs and enjoy joyful moments with them but my happiest moments is when i'm in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Alright. That's nice.

MaxInDHouse:

Wife kẹ̀?

Well she maybe Fernando's fiancee sha cause the naughty boy told me he's going for a Brazilian who is half cast.

Lol.

So, you have such a good sense of humor?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to chat with intelligent people try to be focused not expecting supporting comments because real people don't flow with crowd rather we flow with sound reasoning which majority don't possess.
She's just a sportsperson with sense as you can see from her comment!

Lol.

Okay, I thought she's your wife.

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you don't have anything further to say other than quoting third parties. Just forget about such prayers because it'll never ever work in my case that's why your friends claiming JW PIMO can't go elsewhere.

Is that your wife in the picture?

MightySparrow:
maximumSide,a JW, does not see things the way you see them. Any JW members are conceited and as he has always claimed: JWs are the only group doing the will of God. In his heart of heart, he does not regard you or wherever you worship as anything.
As you rightly pointed out, no denomination is perfect. Yet, JWs witnesses will agree that they are the only imperfect - perfect people. In their Armageddon, you are doomed as all JWs will be saved by default.

So, Sir, don't deceive yourself that maximumSide is reasoning with you.

maximumSide himself is maximally deluded.

I just pray he listens.

Boomark:
FxMasterz
So after more than 23 years as a pastor, you could not provide even a single scripture to defend what you are practicing. It is very obvious that you are practicing man-made doctrine.

You brought in irrelevant letter of endorsement just to deceive people and now you are asking me to show where you said it is a requirement to become an evangelist. How does it concern to the question I asked you in first place. Have you seen that you are the one that has a terrible comprehension problem.

We have yahoo pastors and those who are into church business who also have certificates. You also have certificate and cannot provide a single scripture to defend what you practice. So certificate is what differentiates charlatan evangelist and non charlatan evangelist? As in, certificate is what determines who is fake and who really called by God? This is my number 1 question below and you have failed to provide any scripture to defend yourself.



These above were your response to my questions.

Question:

4. 1. So if certificate is not needed for me to become an evangelist, why then did you start insulting me, telling me to bring my certificate and calling me a liar when I said I am an evangelist and I don't have certificate? See picture 1 as evidence below.

5. 2. So if I don't need ordination by human beings to become an evangelist, why then did you ask me if i ordained myself? Who is my father, where was I ordained? and that I need to be ordained? Why did you raise such irrelevant thing when it can't make me BECOME an evangelist? See picture 2 as evidence.

5.3. Question 3 above does not require me to show you anything. You don't understand english or you want to mischievously dodge the question. Just answer YES or NO.

I have presented 4 picture evidence and you pretended not to see them. I will soon call on people to check if what I typed is not in the picture or that you are just mischievously lying.

Stick to the question on evangelist and don't bring in any Quora or JW stuff here to divert attention or draw sympathy from people. I will create a separate thread for that and you must answer my questions there.

You as over 23 years former winners chapel certificate pastor cannot provide a single scripture to defend yourself and you you looking escape route.

I don't think you love to hear the truth.

No need to talk too much again. I've made my points and reasonable people have observed that you are not a lover of truth.

Are you unable to provide or quote any statement of mine that says you must have an ordination certificate to BECOME evangelist? You can't have any scripture from me to prove something I never said, okay? I didn't see anywhere in those pictures of yours where I said a man must be humanly ordained and given a certificate before he can BECOME an evangelist. Quote it out or better still, underline the statement in your screenshot.

Can you confirm that I told you that there are two ordinations, a spiritual and a physical? Can you confirm that I told you that the physical Ordination is an attestation to your spiritual Ordination by a spiritual father or church that helps us verify you?

Can you confirm that I constantly asked you for evidence of you being an evangelist? This question was necessary because of your bad character and attitude.

Look, if you keep shouting that you are an evangelist, we would ask you to produce your ordination certificate for verification. Even the Lord Jesus was asked "By what authority do you do these things?".

Hey! Which church ordained you? Who is your spiritual father? What do you preach? What article of faith do you believe in? Why must we accept you as an evangelist?

Do you have any answers to the above questions? You want us to take you as an evangelist with your lying attitude, online hooliganism and demonic boasting? No, we need to verify you to know where you came out from and to establish that you're truly an evangelist, not a breakaway rebellious kid who ran away from his church to make himself a yahoo evangelist.

Wilgrea7:
I never claimed it could be.. I'll add a bit to your last statement.

The complexity and apparent design we see in nature aren't easily explained by random chance or natural processes, or a super-mind alone.



The puddle in the pothole.

On a serious note. Taking away the anthropogenic view of things, I fail to see how there's something "more deliberate" at play here. The whole idea of deliberateness or randomness are not ideas I subscribe to in respect to the universe.

If you're asking why things exist the way they do (purpose, complexity), stopping at the "fine-tuning" of the constants is barely the start.

What is a constant? Why should one exist in the first place? Why not more? Why not less? Why anything at all? What exactly is "life"? What exactly is a mind?

When you ask these questions, you realize pointing to some "deliberate super mind" just doesn't cut it. Because even said mind would need to be defined by something.. and the chain goes further.



I never said it was off the table. As an atheist, I've just not seen any probable reason or evidence to consider the said mind as the reason for things being the way they are.



I appreciate the last statement. You're 100% right. An emergent mind can still make things. Humans are an example. But in respect to that, I'll have to repeat my point above.

I'm not saying a super mind is off the table.. I've just not seen any reasonable evidence or reason why it's the case.



I have to disagree with the unified goal you seem to have perceived in the case of the earth.

I'm also beginning to think we might mean different things when we talk of purpose and direction.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "goes beyond purely naturalistic explanations"

You seem to draw this distinction between what the natural world is supposed to be, and what a deeper reality is supposed to be.

Is there a particular reason for that?

I get where you're coming from with your skepticism about a "super mind" or a deliberate creator, but I think we might be overlooking just how intricate and purposeful the natural world really is. When you look at how everything fits together- the relationships in ecosystems, the fine-tuning of physical constants, and the way complex life forms emerge - it all seems too deliberate to be just a product of random chance. Are you getting it?

Sure, we don't fully understand the mind or intelligence yet, but I think we're catching a glimpse of something deeper - a fundamental principle or reality that connects both the mind and the natural world.

You're absolutely right that we shouldn't just slap human-like intelligence or intentions onto this idea, but I do think there's a kind of direction and purpose built into reality. It’s like there's more to the story than what we can explain with physical laws alone. This sense of purpose points to something bigger, something that can’t be boiled down to just natural processes.

I’m not trying to introduce some unproven concept or complicate things further. I'm just recognizing that the natural world seems to have a direction and purpose that’s hard to ignore. It’s not just about intelligence or the mind; it’s about the purpose we can observe all around us.

Think of it like a beautifully composed piece of music. Every instrument plays its part, and together they create something stunning and complex. I think the natural world is a lot like that - a harmonious and purposeful whole that’s worth exploring and understanding even more deeply. The harmony of the entire complex systems that make life livable can never be accidental or explained through natural processes or selection. Whatever the source of this complex harmonious systems are, I choose to call it a mind for want of language. However, this is an evidence of a deliberate action to achieve a unified goal. Except this complex things can be confirmed to have a mind of their own, there's no way they could work together harmoniously to fulfil the purpose of sustaining life on earth.

In conclusion, you should remember that this subject is not just about constants or fine-tuning alone. There were a whole lot of itemized complexities in the universe explained in the OP by building a foundation from the structure of the eye. All work together to bring us into the suspicion of the presence of a super mind. (I choose to call it a Super Mind because only a mind can establish a purpose - you're free to disprove this. And it is a Super Mind because comparatively, none of us will ever be able to build such things in terms of size and complexities no matter what science becomes even in a million years. The Mind that builds such things with such intentionality and purpose can only be Super in comparison to ours). We're not dwelling just on constants or fine-tuning to arrive at this conclusion. Singling out one aspect of the whole analysis to counter the argument does not do any justice to the debate.

achorladey:


He simply can't help it. The reason is simply because when he creates a bad publicity about his religious organization he will come back and look for every means to erase it when exposed.

As long as the intent is to protect an organization rather than to defend one's soul, any human would do the same. The organization is more important to him than his soul.

achorladey:
So when I, say he is a liar, manipulator and lacks integrity, I have evidence for it all.

Absolutely correct.

achorladey:
See the madness and insanities peddling brains





What follows......




He is back again to question those he does not know their faith as a liar and manipulator that he is.


Fxmasterz

The guy is a character. I am really tired of reading from him. I just pray he finds his bearing before it is too late.

achorladey:
Do you think that one can keep to his words?

His fingers always itch him whenever he sees lies and manipulations of his brains exposed. The next thing will be to look for means to cover up and deny.

Lol.

This is the second time he will be breaking his promise in less than 10 days of making the promise.

Wilgrea7:
The very idea of a preconceived intention to execute something purpose demotes the very intelligence you're trying to avoid focusing on.

My issue with the idea is that it tries to define things based on a human perception of the natural world.

It's something I intend to go more into detail in a subsequent post.

The effects would be different.. because the conditions would be different.

I don't want to use the "puddle fits the pothole" analogy here because we are not outside observers of the puddle and the pothole. We ARE the puddle.

And nonetheless, even if we allude this to the unproven "mind", the question still shifts further.



I'm sorry but I don't agree with the idea that a "super mind" must have been involved in this. Again, very anthropogenic.

The very idea of a mind itself is something that relies on the seemingly "deliberateness" of certain parameters or conditions to be able to exist. And what then set or determined those parameters? Why would any of the parameters exist at all, and in the way they do?

This is why I said you only push the question higher. An unproven super-mind don't answer the question.

While it might seem that the idea of a "super mind" is just a human construct, there's still a compelling argument to be made. The complexity and apparent design we see in nature aren't easily explained by random chance or natural processes alone. The way everything fits together; the fine-tuning of physical constants; the emergence of life; and the intricate relationships within ecosystems - suggests that there's something more deliberate at play.

You bring up a good point about the mind needing certain conditions to exist. But this doesn't mean that the idea of a mind or purpose is off the table. Instead, it might indicate that there's a deeper, unifying principle or reality that connects both the mind and the natural world. Also, the mind needing certain conditions to exist does not mean that the mind cannot be the source of purposeful designs which is the fulcrum around which this argument rotates.

When people argue for Creationism or intelligent design, it's not necessarily about imagining a human-like intelligence behind it all. It's more about acknowledging that the complexity and purpose we see in the world seem to go beyond what random chance or necessity could explain. There seems to be a sense of direction or purpose built into reality, where things appear to be moving towards certain goals. We can clearly see that these complex elements deliver intended deliverables. All working together towards a unified goal - the sustenance of life on earth.

Recognizing this isn't just about shifting the question to a higher level or bringing in an unproven entity. It's about seeing that the natural world shows a profound sense of purpose that we can't fully explain with our current understanding of physical laws.

So, the discussion isn't just about the nature of mind or intelligence. It's about the inherent sense of purpose and direction we observe in the world, suggesting that there might be a deeper reality or principle at work—one that goes beyond purely naturalistic explanations.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're just a bloody LIAR.

If you want to be sincere to your own soul you will listen to both sides carefully and ask both sides questions.

A real intellectual will not take matters the way you're doing because neither the JWs nor Ex-jws is presently worshiping with you in your Winner Chapel Oyedepo Church.

So thought provoking questions will reveal the sincerity of those on both sides not just sitting in one corner questioning one side furiously as if they owe you explanations for their faith.

You mentioned again?

I do not attend Winners Chapel. Please be corrected.

See, I do not go by conventional Christianity myself. I have studied wide to discover that the Roman Catholics delivered a lot of falsehoods to us. In an attempt to discover what the real truth is, studies were made by many groups, certain truths were established and this led to denominations. Each denomination was founded by groups that believed in the same truths they discovered. Truths are still being discovered as we speak, and there are still many breakouts as a result.

I have questioned many things in my own Christian journey. I have visited Roman Catholic, JW, Anglican Methodist White Garment and eventually settled for Pentecostalism because that's where the Gospel is practically demonstrated. Pentecostalism keeps updating because they're very flexible and open to learning new things as are being thought by the Holy Ghost. That does not mean there are no charlatans among them as there are in all denominations and groups.

So, my argument or conclusions are not one sided as you suppose. Except you have had varied experiences as I, you probably would never understand the errors you hold on to.

As I said earlier, I'm not the conventional Christian. I'm Pentecostal but I can admit that Pentecostalism is not perfect. No denomination is perfect. No organization is perfect. The Roman Catholics bastardized Christianity before the Reformation. The Reformation has not stopped. God is still reforming the Church. That is why we need to keep following God bumper to bumper so as to keep ourselves updated regarding what God is doing right now. Many organizations are dwelling on what God has done yesterday. God has moved on, and they were left behind because they were myopic.

I keep studying the scriptures for myself without being carried away by the rules or doctrines of Pentecostalism. God deals with people individually and not as a group. That's why I just laugh at your ignorance when you always ask for a church. You seem to believe that truth can only be found in a church. A church is governed physically by individuals who claim to receive from God. They are mere men. There's nothing special about them. They're just the usual human beings like you with the same weaknesses and needs. But the truth is that God gives revelation and light to all His children. All you need is to open your heart directly to keep receiving what God is saying. Any son that cannot reserve directly from his father is a bastard. You agree with me? If someone must always tell you what your father wants you to do, is that not a bastard to whom the father will never speak directly? Everyone child of God can receive from God. There's no one anywhere who has that monopoly. Anybody claiming the monopoly of receiving from God on behalf of others is a deceiver.

Even when truth is supposedly delivered to you, sieve it through the lenses of God's word. The mighty falls. If you think that the mighty is infallible, you'll fall with him when he falls. There's no one on earth who cannot at anytime fall into errors. That's why you need to check what you hear and read before believing it totally in your heart. It doesn't matter who is speaking or writing. All teachings must align with the word of God. Otherwise, you'll have yourself to blame when you stand before the Almighty God all alone to account for the life you lived on earth. Even the so-called custodians of truth would not be there for you on that day. Everyman to himself. And hey! No one would be held responsible for your errors in believing in wrong doctrines and falsehoods. Even the peddler of false doctrines would not be held responsible for misleading you. You're responsible for yourself and for yourself alone. Therefore, shine your eyes.

Boomark:
Whatever any human thinks useless because they are not the ones that will admit people into the kingdom of God that will reside with people here on earth.

And ganging up against such people jwith lies just because of what they think is just preparing yourself for the lake of fire.

Don't be confused. The things I wrote are true because...

I am Boomark of God.

Have you been to a JW kingdom Hall before? What do you even know? I was there in 2005 when I thought they were real Christians. My eyes started opening from there.

If you have not personally verified a thing, you have no right to call those who have tasted it liars. What personal experience do you have with a kingdom Hall? Ex members are exposing them worldwide. There are many court cases against the organization in many countries of the world. Have you heard how the GBs scammed the government of Norway? The money that government gave to the group to be shared to poor members of the group in Norway was never shared. The organization was banned in Norway because of that.

You're just inexperienced and overzealous for something you know absolutely nothing about. That's not good.

Janosky:
Courz GIBBERISH & IBERIBEISM dey console you.

Courz disciple, Oga bring your own proof.

OR:
Carry your MUMU komot from here.

My proof is there on the same thread. Go take a look.

Janosky:
If you get liver,do it .
I promise you,your IBERIBEISM must explode on this forum.[/b]

Courz has a full thread dedicated to that on this forum. Your manipulation of scriptures was extensively reviewed and exposed on the thread.

Boomark:
Have you seen how you tell lies and spread false doctrine? Is it letter of endorsement from Paul that made Timothy, Titus, and co, the pastor, evangelist, prophet, teacher that they became on the day God chose them? Letter of endorsement for those sent on a missionary work by Paul didn't make them evangelists. So this lie has failed and didn't answer my question.

Now show me where I said letter of endorsement made anybody an evangelist or pastor? Just prove it now. People on this platform who are reading would have known by now that you do not love the truth. You're a lover of lies.

I have shown you that there's both spiritual ordination and physical ordination. The latter follows the former and is often followed by a certificate so as to ward off Charlatans. I do not know whether comprehension is your issue or you just love to be deceptive. These are the things I already told you on the other thread before you created a dedicated thread on the same issue. This would be the third time I'll be telling you this. Or do I still have the need to start teaching you what spiritual Ordination is?

It is scripturally right for me to ask you for your certificate because I don't know you, hence you cannot expect me to believe you're an evangelist just because you're shouting. Any armed robber out there can call himself an evangelist, a pastor, or whatever. We would then use his certificate to see if we can trust him. The letters of endorsement endeared the first century ministers of the Gospel to the brethren of the time. If you shout in public that you're an evangelist, you must show your certificate of ordination as proof. If you're shouting among those who already know you, you might not need to present any proof.

See evidence in the picture where I told you that my Lord Jesus Christ didn't have certificate and non of the apostles had certificate to become evangelists, pastors, and prophets. You kept on calling me a liar, asking me if I ordained myself, that I must have a certificate given to me during ordination, that I must be ordained by a spiritual father, leader or mentor else I am just a fake evangelist trying to deceive people. All these are in the pictures.

So you have more questions to answer.

Any witch, cultist, Yahoo boy, kidnapper can say the same things you just said up there. It is only your certificate that would prove you were ordained by a genuine man of God and can therefore be trusted.

Human ordination is just an acknowledgement of the spiritual ordination. It means that the church can confirms that indeed you are an evangelist and should be seen as one wherever you appear.

[b]Question

1. Show me just one person in the bible that needed certificate to become an evangelist?

Show me any sentence I made in which I said a person needs to earn a certificate to BECOME an evangelist.

2. Show us from the scripture where it is required that a spiritual father or mentor needs to ordain someone before they become an evangelist or prophet?

Show me any sentence I made in which I said a spiritual father or mentor must ordain you before you can BECOME an evangelist.

3. Does the absence of human ordination nullify the gift of God on people who he made evangelist, pastors, prophets and teachers?

Show me where I said the absence of ordination nullifies the gift of God. The question is irrelevant because it does not tally whatsoever with what I have discussed so far with you regarding this matter.

For clarity, let me tell you again the relevance of physical ordination.

Physical Ordination is the recognition of the calling of God upon you by a representative of the Body of Christ (a spiritual father, mentor or leader) who lays hands on you and pours oil upon your head as a confirmation of the calling of God upon your life.

As I have said before, I say again, without an ordination and a certificate of ordination from a church or leader, it is difficult for anyone to accept you as a true servant of Jesus Christ.

This is the same problem TB Joshua had. He had no spiritual father. His spiritual father was unknown. No one knows who ordained him. Nobody knows how he became a pastor. This is one of the reasons most men of God in Nigeria didn't associate with him. He tried to Join PFN but was rejected especially when they asked him all these questions regarding his Ordination. The final straw that broke the camel's back was when he said he was born again from his mother's womb.

It is fitting that I ask you for your Ordination certificate because you cannot prove yourself as an evangelist by merely shouting that you are one.

Please use scriptures to defend yourself. And number your answers accordingly. The more evidence you need the more questions I ask.[/b]

B. O. G. I will write my full name very soon.

If you can provide evidence that I made all those statements you attributed to me, I'll provide you scriptures.

Yes, I did call you a fake evangelist, not because you don't have a certificate but because you proved to be one by your utterances. Even saying "You're a pastor, that's why you're wicked and heartless." - I can't remember what you said word for word but it is very close to this statement. No true evangelist talks like that. No true evangelist sees evidence and still calls the bringer of evidence a liar (a case in reference is the Quora evidence of JW scripting which you ignored and even came here to misrepresent). Also, no true evangelist would try to manipulate the words of another person as you have done on this thread. By attributing what I didn't say to me, and demanding that I provide scriptures for positions I never made, you further confirm my fears about you. Your boastful attitude is another thing. Boastfulness is a demonic character that should not be found in a Christian, talk more of an evangelist. The only people I have seen exhibiting such type of fruit are the JWs. And now, you've joined them in the league of empty boasting. You seem to be puffed up and consider yourself higher than you're supposed.

Let me teach you some wisdom if only you have an ear to hear and a heart to receive:

Declaring yourself as an evangelist means you want people to accept you as an evangelist without any evidence that you are one. If you do not have any evidence to show, it is wise for you to say "I am an evangelist by calling." That way, no one thinks you are forcing yourself on him or her as an evangelist. The acceptance of you by anybody would be solely at the person's discretion. If you have an ordination certificate, you can say it anywhere that you are an evangelist. When asked for proof, you simply present your Ordination certificate. This would make people know what type of evangelist you are without first watching you preach.

Since you have no certificate, the only way I can verify if you are an evangelist is by your character and preaching. Your character so far has not been good enough. As for your preaching, it is better left to the imagination.

achorladey:
One already said Boomark can never be his brother which is what led to the discussion regarding the name Christian between him and that known liar and manipulator on nairaland

Lol. Dem don dey show am shege? Very soon, him eye go clear.

achorladey:
I see him as someone who shares sympathy with what the Jehovah’s Witnesses do but definitely not one of them. There are some terms he use in his words that Jehovah's Witnesses don't use. I think he said he is not one of them in one of his post as well.

Allow Boomark to keep counting scores.

He doesn't even know that the JW are seeing him as an unbeliever who will never make heaven.

achorladey:
Fxmasterz see this.......



He is not one of them.

Okay, it seems he is not yet well aquatinted with them to know who they really are. He's just supporting them naively.

He should put their Bible beside Interlinear Bible to see how their Bible gets exposed for its outright manipulations.

achorladey:
Boomark will always be Boomark of God keeping scores, he won't allow you rest until he get the required score


I don't really see him as one of Jehovah's Witness based on some of his words here.

Okay, I'll take your word for it. I have only read his words directed at me, and from what I see, he is a JW but since you have had more interactions with him than myself, and you refuse to see him as a JW, I will stop seeing him as a JW until he confirms it any further.

LordReed:
Just do it and let me know.

Yeah sure. You're one of the well mannered atheists on this forum. Unlike Jaephoenix that is so filthy in his mind that he cannot open a sentence without an insult.

You'll sure be invited.

Boomark:
When Saul was about to be made king, their 'goat' loss. That's divine providence because God has already planned that he will lead Saul to Samuel. The donkey later came back on it own.

New World Translation

Acts 11:26 NWT
26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.

It was a name God has already prepared for his people.

1 Peter 4:16 NWT
16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian , let him not feel shame, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.

You should start glorifying God in this name - Christian. Because it is a name that came from God. Those you say it, maybe as an insult didn't know that is God who made it so. They were used to make the make the popular.

I prefer New World Translation to other bible because I used all of them. The problem is not in your organisations bible as people use to believe but in what you people are believing as individuals.

Achorladey, can you see already that he's a JW? This guy is a demon possessed liar.

Boomark:
See the way you are foolishly laughing. You don't even understand what he is pointing at.

Mtcheww! Fake evangelist.

Boomark:
I am a one man squad.

When I spoke about first fruit. It was I alone against many who practiced it. I used about 5 to 6 scriptures to conquer them and they all went silent.

I don't do insults like the FxMasterz, the certificate pastor who doesn't know anything. All he has is insults and gossips. He can't answer a simple question as pastor he claimed he is. It is very shameful.

I use scriptures. That was why I said I can boast and nothing will happen.

Meanwhile, this proud boomark of Satan was the first to tell me "I don't want to say you don't have sense". Bitter lying boomark of Satan .

You boastful attitude already shows that demons dwell in you.


Romans 1:28-32:

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless."

Interestingly, you and your fellow JW brothers are like that, and do not even know that demons dwell inside of you.

jaephoenix:
1.You say those that expose your scam of denying stuff you said are derailing the thread. Interesting… so we shouldn't expose your lies, right?
2.You said debate is about intelligent design. I have shown you that there's no intelligence in the 'intelligent design', and it still wouldn't penetrate your skull

Oya show me where I said the debate is about intelligent design. I've known for a long time that you're a dullard.

LordReed:
LoLz. I said I beg you to go on YouTube, who is begging you not to go. Go let people who are experts school you very well. When you upload your YouTube video make sure you let me know, I'll be waiting.

Perhaps you think experts won't speak according to the books. I'll catch their lies on the fly.