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kingxsamz:
Yes, there's no proof. And if there's no proof, there's no point. You're just suggesting.
I don't need to believe there's a tree outside my house, it'll just be a fact.

This is very lame and does not address the matter at hand given the facts that have just been presented. This is just noise at best.

Please desist from commenting if you have nothing to say.

kingxsamz:
I agree. The spaghetti monster made all of this possible. 👏🏾

No matter what you agree. It's not my concern.

Do you believe in the existence of a Creator?

kingxsamz:
No, that has nothing to do with athesim. Athesim is the lack of belief in a god. It's even ridiculous that people have to be given a name for not believing in the delusions of other people. I don't see anyone calling anybody anything for not believing in mermaids or leprechauns.
If you say the universe has a creator, then you're free to prove it. If you can't, there's no point.
Just because an atheist chose to argue with you over those subjects doesn't mean it has anything to do with Atheism.

This is a lie and an outright denial. Atheists argue here on a daily basis that there's no proof of a Creator and therefore there is no God. This argument is not about the existence of a God actually. We'll get to that later but not on this thread. This is about the existence of a Creator.

Now, let me ask you, do you believe there's a Creator? Since atheism is just the lack of belief in a God.

I have used the Eye as an example in my argument above. There are many examples of other complex and purposeful designs in the earth and universe that support the argument for Creationism. Here are a few:

1. DNA and Genetic Code: The intricate structure and function of DNA, as well as the genetic code that dictates protein synthesis, demonstrate remarkable complexity and purposefulness.

2. Cellular Machinery: The inner workings of cells, including molecular motors, pumps, and factories, exhibit remarkable complexity and functional design.

3. Planetary Fine-Tuning: The precise calibration of physical constants and planetary conditions that allow for life on Earth, such as the distance from the Sun and atmospheric composition.

4. The Brain and Nervous System: The human brain's intricate structure, functionality, and ability to process information and generate consciousness.

5. The Immune System: The complex and highly specialized defense mechanisms that protect living organisms from pathogens and diseases.

6. The Water Cycle: The intricate process by which water circulates through the environment, sustaining life and regulating Earth's climate.

7. The Earth's Magnetic Field: The protective shield that deflects harmful solar and cosmic radiation, allowing life to thrive.

8. The Universe's Large-Scale Structure: The organized distribution of galaxies, galaxy clusters, and superclusters, suggesting a purposeful design.

These examples above and several other such examples that we see in the universe further destroy atheism and support the existence of a Creator.

There are so many individual complex and well organized systems working together for a common purpose - to make the world livable for living organisms.

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Modified today 24th August 2024.

No atheist has been able to offer any counter-argument against the arguments in the OP. One of them was even trying to get me into a different debate while avoiding this current debate. Another one up there has suddenly denied that atheism does has anything to do with the subject matter. Atheists are liars. They argue everyday that the world came into being through natural processes but here they're trying to deny because they came face to face with an argument they couldn't counter. Many of the strong atheists on this forum have avoided this thread like a plague. They should keep deceiving themselves. Atheism has been destroyed.

The Existence of a Creator: A Challenge to Atheists

I had an argument with Jaephoenix a few days ago. He was completely floored and ran away from the discussion. I observed that unlike what used to be the norm, none of his fellow atheists came to his rescue. I have presented the argument in a more organized way and hereby table it as an open challenge to all atheists worldwide.

Now, let's begin:

Atheism posits that complex designs and functionality in the natural world can be explained without the need for a Creator. However, I argue that certain features of the natural world demonstrate intelligent design, purposefulness, and complexity, necessitating the existence of a Creator.

Key Points:

1. Intelligent Design: Complex structures like the eye exhibit intelligent design, with multiple components working together to achieve a specific purpose (sight).

2. Purposefulness: The eye's design serves a clear purpose, unlike natural processes that may create complex but purposeless structures.

3. Complexity: The eye's complexity and functionality cannot be explained by random natural processes alone.

4. Universality: The eye is a common feature across many living organisms, suggesting a deliberate design rather than a random occurrence.

5. Variety: The existence of different types of eyes (e.g., human, insect, octopus) implies a Creator who adapted designs for specific purposes.

6. Creator vs. Intelligent: The argument focuses on the existence of a Creator, not necessarily an intelligent or supernatural one.

7. Natural Processes: While natural processes can create complex structures, they lack purposefulness and intentionality, unlike the eye's design.

8. Emergence: Complex systems can exhibit emergent properties, but these do not necessarily explain the eye's purposeful design.

9. Evolutionary Explanations: Incremental adaptive changes may contribute to the eye's development, but they do not fully account for its complexity and purposefulness.

Conclusion:

The existence of complex, purposeful designs like the eye necessitates the existence of a Creator. This challenges atheistic views that rely solely on natural processes to explain the natural world. While the nature and identity of this Creator are open to discussion, the evidence from intelligent design, purposefulness, and complexity demands consideration of a Creator's role in shaping the world around us.


Modified on 24th August 2024
For purpose to be established, there needs to be a mind or a conscious entity behind it. This mind can be human, animal, or even a hypothetical artificial intelligence. The presence of a mind is necessary to:

1. Conceive goals and objectives
2. Make decisions and choices
3. Experience desires and intentions

In other words, purpose requires consciousness, awareness, and intentionality, which are all qualities of a mind. Without a mind, purpose cannot be established or exist. Hence there's definitely a mind behind the existence of these purposeful and complex designs.

oteneaaron:
Of course I completely understand the parole.

When I got married, majority of JWs were shocked that my mum and dad boldly stood by me throughout, even though I say I no do again and I no wan marry JW.

And this is only because my parents have UNCONDITIONAL LOVE for me - my parents clearly said to the Elders - "no religion will EVER make us shun our own children."

Everyday, I thank God for my parents.

But for many others who decide to leave this cult, it is often a very different story - parents are quick to shun their children and would rather love the GB & organization more than their own children.

This is because as a JW, you practice a form of CONDITIONAL LOVE - the day you decide to leave the cult, is the day you become dead in their eyes.

Thank you for the this truth bomb @Achorladey

Hmm.

Nawa for this organization o. They would even scatter families on the basis of their deceitful organization?

achorladey:
Those things are programmed. More like you are given a script and expected to act according to the script.

Chai!!

achorladey:
Let me exposure your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains despite being an elder and one of Jehovah's Witnesses regarding how you blackmail people emotionally just like your GODS of men housed in USA packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains. MaxInDHouse stated.....




Your GODS of men housed in said these about parents of those who leave that your religious organization......




In essence, parents should not feel pity for their children who chose to leave that your religious organization yet MaxInDHouse wants to emotionally blackmail me using my parents, the same people that you don't even know whether they are Jehovah's Witnesses or not for that matter.

You think I am like those members you are made elders over in your congregation. That to read bible they will come to your house to do rehearsal. Do you think I look person that go to meet elders to do rehearsals before I give talks.


cc: FxMasterz this is part of their mode of operation. You will think they really pity those whose children abandoned that religious organization

Na eye service. If those parents all there children decides to leave that religious organization and the parents lacks the means of survival, they will suffer. Their eyes go see shege banza. In fact you will not know when these Jehovah’s witnesses start using style style to tell these same parents that......

But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let these learn first to practice godly devotion in their own household and to repay their parents and grandparents what is due them.

These people Chai🤣😂🤣😂


Courz and Oteneaaron will understand how this parole be.

Lol.

So dem dey do rehearsal before dem fit give talks for the cult?

😂😂 😂 😂

Since they do not have the Spirit of God for inspired teachings, na rehearsal dem they do. Men are teaching them all things but Jesus said the Spirit of Truth will teach us all things. When the Spirit is absent, the flesh takes over, leading to many errors and heresies.

achorladey:
The arrogance and audacity to even say anyone saying what is in that account in Romans cannot be seen as having Jesus as is Lord is one of the height of dishonesty and going beyond their jurisdiction

They're wolves. You can't expect anything else from them.

achorladey:
The system in place in that religious organization makes double life thrive

Na those who chose to be honest with themselves that won't go that way and most of the time they end leaving the organization on their own or kicked out. Let me explain myself..

When I dropped my letter of disassociation and resignation as it were. The principal members of the congregation came visiting shocked about my decision.

I told one of them. You don't go out to preach to others and just hammer down whatever you have for them without listening to them and in some cases investigate their grievances about Jehovah’s witnesses. When they complain about some of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses or their ways and mode of operation, Don't just wave it off as lies, they want to malign the religious organization.


See what happened today. Imagine Achorladey in front of your house and preaching about the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom as one of Jehovah's Witness. Then our conversation entered into the realm of agreement and disagreement between churches. Then Achorladey asked you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses....



FxMasterz responded by saying.....



Then you asked me




Then [Achorladey[/b] response is........




;🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣

Then I went further to say..........



FxMasterz will you define this response in any form and manner as honesthearted and a sincere response?

cc: Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, MightySparrow.

Why did Achorladey give this response to you. Simple, Achorladey simply don't want to admit that despite our differences there are Some things despite our disagreement that are so important than every other thing which is Jesus is Lord

NWT Jehovah’s witnesses Bible states.....



Is this not an outright dishonesty and being insincere about the very good news Achorladey came to your house to preach?

When Achorladey say he is leaving the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses because of this kind of dishonesty. Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah Michael547 and Co will see me as devil, demon mad, insane, asinwin, asiere, apostates, atheist

What is the offence?

For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”

That is the extent of what happened today

If after going through all.these, these people can't still come to see the abnormality in their cult, it is finished for them.

I like the Romans 10:9 you quoted. If anyone confesses Jesus as Lord and believes in his heart that God raised Him from the dead, he'll be saved. That's all about salvation but a satanic organization is saying you must be a member of their cult to be saved. Meanwhile their members are nothing but wolves in sheep clothing.

jaephoenix:
Tell me, do you use rubber while shagging your moms and sisters too? Please don't use them. We need more mo.rons like you in the world so I can have fun

At the bolded, your filthy self thinks I do it too? No I don't, you're the only one who does that I know by your own personal confession. I don't think you have a remedy filthy atheist, since it's a family thing. Even if you say you're no more doing, your mom and your sisters won't agree. What a family?

jaephoenix:
It feels so good fuc.king your mother and sisters from the back. I always imagine how your face is while I give it to them. Wish youre watching, bro

Oh, continue the confession of how you do your mum and sisters. The world is listening. Is your mum such a dirty fellow too to allow you do that to her? Even your sisters too? What a dysfunctional family? Let the confession continue.

Dirty, filthy and ignorant atheist.

achorladey:
Even Satan can change himself to look like an angel who belongs to the light. EHV. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light

Wolves in sheep clothing. On nairaland and other platforms that don't dance to their tune wolves, when they knock your door at home they have their sheep clothing with them.

Gbam! I think they're trained to be able to live double lives.

When Aemmyjah mentioned me here to ask my questions on this thread, I had to look at the Monica again to confirm it was really Aemmyjah. You can see the calm and respectful manner he presented himself to me here. Whereas, I have never known him to be calm and respectful. Each time I see his Monica, I expect to see a minimum of 3 insults. His common words are "You're stupid," "You're my boy", "Dunce" etc. Honestly, if the way he addressed me on this thread is the way he has always addressed me, I would have been deceived. I think they're trained for this sort of double living.

jaephoenix:
No, its the name of your prostitute mother that I bleeped last night without rubber

You mean you did that to your mother? Wow. Once the alcohol leaves your eyes, you'll know who you did it to. Dirty, filthy, ignorant atheist bleeping his own mother.

achorladey:
Achorladey = Emusan and they kept going about that lie for months if not years. Projecting the image of people in a false manner and still beat their chest that they are doing God's will.


I will always hammer it into their brains for them to be seen as GOOD and say their religious organisation is BETTRR they must paint other as BAD first. When that don't work, they run away, deflect, abuse, insult and call you all sorts of names.

Don't these people have sober reflections? Don't they practice personal development activities to make them become better persons? How can someone have such a bad attitude, never repentant but instead has the energy to create a thread for praising himself and then pretending to be a good man on that thread. Is that not really hilarious?

jaephoenix:
Bastard Christian, where did u get that definition of cultural Christian? Your dirty anus?

Dirty, filthy, ignorant atheist, is that the name of your father you mentioned up there? I'm just curious.

Courz:
FxMasterz and achorladey, I love how you guys are littering their precious thread they have been bumping. As they are bumping the threads, people are reading your interactions and seeing their foolishness. This will make people wonder about the title of the thread and their behavior. No match at all. Let them keep bumping threads that expose them. Their preaching work is already dead. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The bolded is just it. Empty barrels make the most horrible noise. It beats my imagination how people can go create a thread to praise themselves after calling people mad men, oponu, wailing wailer, dunce, ode, dinrin, weyrey, stupid, asínwín, etc on some other threads. You now start brooding over your thread like a pot of soup trying to sell off a fake identity.

Even the Max that was blackmailing me here on Nairaland on the basis of lies regarding matters he knew very well about that I wasn't at fault is also flexing his muscles here pretending to be a godly man. He has no remorse for such a cancerous attitude he has.

Honestly, no matter what evil I hear about anybody, I would never use it to blackmail the person just because I defer with him in opinion. I can't descend that low. I'm not such a dirty fellow. I have standards I uphold. That's too dirty. I would never blackmail anyone even if I wasn't a Christian. It doesn't matter whether the allegations are true or not, I would not just use it against the person.

Meanwhile this JW fellow was propagating falsehood joyfully and excitedly, yet he convinces himself to be a godly man. If anybody blackmails me on a false premise, I'll defend my name against the lies if that's the only option I have but I would not for any reason be the first to start blackmailing anybody. This JW fellow who has such a dirty blackmailing attitude is here feigning godly and righteous on this thread. Hypocrites!

achorladey:
That day wetin dey push go push reach the point. Wait for it

Lol.

achorladey:
See as they start to debate my matter. Online and offline


The millions in your midst all of them are on Jehovah’s side that's why you cannot even admit a member creating a thread that says trinity is biblical is on Jehovah's side.

Aemmyjah just said Michael547 you are lying about me

FxMasterz come see drama.

Smiling. This JW people sef. You can't defend your organization yet you'll be calling people names for asking you pertinent questions for which you have no answers.

achorladey:
@ FxMasterz

The interesting thing about this whole issue is that Aemmyjah will readily tell you to go to their website to learn about Jesus is Lord or not and whether they agree or disagree about it.

Simple question about what he goes there to learn when asked directly, it becomes you join hands with apostates, not sincere, dishonesthearted e.t.c

Even the demons agree that Jesus is Lord. Jesus did not kill all the demons for saying so


I don't know who will flog these Jehovah's witnesses on nairaland for being in agreement with other Christian denomination that Jesus is Lord

The answer is a simple yes or no but till now, no answer.

Do you believe that Jesus is Lord? Yes or no? Everything now turned to a long Epistle of "You're an hypocrite", and a story about a food canteen. The whole matter turned to Simultaneous equation for JWs. Up till now, they're unable to work out the solution.

achorladey:
Imagine an elder of a religious organization called Jehovah's Witnesses was asked,..

Did he and his religious organization agree that Jesus is Lord alongside other Christian denominations he used to call misinformed churchgoers, faithless miscreants e.t.c and the next thing is to run away and deflect.

Lol.

achorladey:
Lies and manipulations packed into his brains must be covered up.


For mentioning my moniker after saying.....



Added rank to his being a worst fool on nairaland

I still expect him to mention me some day after crying several times that I should not mention him again. I'm sure he can't keep his words for long but I'll never break my promise. I'll mention him only if he mentions me.

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling dey your brains

See what your brother in Jehovah witness said....



You and your crew knows the exposure I give to your lies and manipulations here are true that is why you must keep running, avoiding and ignoring. .

As for you MaxInDHouse, I said you are not for real. I repeat you are not for real.



Your madness and insanities peddling brains did not have to after saying....



Have I answered your question before you started your latest madness and insanities peddling again? Have I? Answer first?



Had your brains worked properly you will see the question that started your latest helter-skelter is not about only Jehovah’s witnesses believe Jesus is Lord over their faith.




All of the above aka DEFLECTION tactics



Is Achorladey = MaxInDHouse that says Jesus, Holy Spirit, Peter are doing evil through generosity . Twist ko Macaroni ni . See what the simple question led to. Here is the question for your madness and insanities peddling brains to ponder....



Here is why we are asking....



The answers provided was......

They agree on Jesus is Lord FxMasterz added more to it. Now answer your question



MaxInDHouse madness and insanities peddling brains is Jesus that will declare those who say he is Lord over them



Which is MaxInDHouse is not for real too many lies and manipulations packed into your brains don't make you real. The reason is below.....



I repeat you are not for real but lies, lies,lies no modicum of self respect, a worst fool whose brains peddle madness and insanities on nairaland of respect is not reciprocal in your case.

You can see that Max (I don't want to spell his Monica in full as I've agreed not to mention him again according to his request) said JWs agree that Jesus is Lord over their faith. A very subtle way to make you think that they agree that Jesus is Lord like you do. They do not agree that Jesus is Lord over their lives but over their faith. See?

achorladey:
Really?

Yes. Meta AI said they do not declare that Jesus is Lord like other Christians do because they believe that Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself. They also believe that He is a created being. Affirming Jesus as Lord therefore destroys that belief or doctrine. Hence, the denial.

achorladey:
Characters like Aemmyjah who has you to come to this thread and ask your questions. Before the next 24 hours, FxMasterz you are not sincere, you are hypocrites joining others to malign Jehovah's Witnesses by asking those questions. Haba!!!!

Tell him to bring evidence. None will be provided.

It was just an excuse for running away.

achorladey:
You see how they are working hard to cover up what has happened here. Looking for every means to deflect. Just simple question, do Jehovah's Witnesses agree that Jesus is Lord with other churches. Wahala enter which church is teaching the truth.

Jesus is Lord is false doctrine of the church


Chai and they will knock at your door saying they are preaching Good news about God's kingdom

Meta AI has told me that they don't believe that Jesus is Lord.

It's a pity for them o!

achorladey:
They will even create a thread very soon about.

Which Church is teaching the truth

Lol.

Those guys are characters.

Kingsempires:
If you call a church name now another argument will just borst out here

I tell you bro. He would use it to change the topic of discussion. That's his aim.

Michael547:
So declaring the true church is non of your business?
Are you not suppose to talk more of the true church than the false one?

That's because the person I'm talking to is not a sincere seeker. We're not even talking about a false church. We're talking about a false doctrine.

Michael547:
Can you mention one of these several churches?

That's none of my business.

Face your front and defend your false doctrines if you can. What does mentioning Churches have to do with your false doctrines?

Michael547:
So you mean churches today are not based on the bible?

I am here to talk about the Bible only and not about Churches. Get that clear and stop asking irrelevant questions. There are several true churches who don't teach heresies like your cult but I'm not here to talk about Churches.

If you want to defend your false doctrines against the Bible, go ahead. Let's see how you'll fare. Stop using questions about Churches as a cover up.

Michael547:
Why should I defend an erroneous teaching according to you? It will only lead us to a back and forth.

If you've found the true church, can you mention it?
If you've not found it, does that mean that there are no true churches out there?

Let it lead to back and forth first before you stop defending it. I have claimed it is erroneous according to the Bible and not according to a Church. So, stop asking me about a Church.