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bloodofthelamb:
I will tag you in a new thread... Where I answered the question through the leading of the Spirit of God. I also pray for understanding for us all in Jesus Christ name

Okay, the Holy Spirit will give us answers of peace in Jesus name.

achorladey:
So you dey this thread

I dey o my brother. I've been busy all day though. Just coming online to see another beautiful thread you created about those end time Pharisees.

Qasim6:
And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

Even the name 'Jesus' means God is Salvation. The anointing is always for a purpose. The Anointing One to Save is the Messiah.

One of your fellow Muslims here once told me that Messiah means something different in Islam after we disputed about it sometimes ago. You know, you Muslims would deny and lie if you see that you're cornered. Probably, that's what your brother did. Now, you're telling me it means the same thing.

Dsimmer:
Of course, there's no way the Messiah name is Isa.

Mohammad just muddled up everything in Quran, even as the Jewish history had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not Mohammad's ancestors. But since he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors, he had to write the Jewish history but then, why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history? Meanwhile, There's no even the sequence of events in Quran. It's just too muddled up. Not to mention the nonsense 72 virgins and the fact that he's a pedophile.

Anyways, there's no way the name of the Messiah is Isa.

It's stated that the Messiah shall bear the name of God. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elohim, Eloah/Elowah). That's why Jacob's names are Yacob (Jacob) and Isra-el. It was also stated that Jacob and Jacob's descendants shall bear the name. Hence,

Yehudah/Yacob (Judea/Jacob) = Israel.

I don't know why Muslims can't see all the flaws. The man muddled up Jewish history so much that he stated that Mariam the sister of Aaron was Jesus' mother. He thought Mariam and Mary were the same person, not knowing that Mariam lived more than 3000 yrs before Mary begat Jesus. Muslims see this error and look away and still hold on to the false book as the true Word of God by a supposed angel.

Qasim6:
"A word you did not create?"
What is that supposed to mean?

And what is the correct meaning of Messiah?

The One who is anointed to save.

bloodofthelamb:
[b][/b]. Thanks for caring but I have received the Holy Spirit with all he has to offer.
His wisdom
His understanding
His knowledge
His power
His might
His counsel
And fear of the Lord. Glory to God and to Jesus Christ who made it possible now and forever. Amen.

Think about it this way, when the Lord Jesus was with His disciples, were they saved? Didn't they have the Holy Spirit? Didn't they perform miracles? Were they not children of God?

Why then did the Lord Jesus say to them,

John 20:22,

"When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: RECEIVE YE THE HOLY GHOST ."

Are you now getting it? Why then did the Lord Jesus say again to them after this John 22 event

"Tarry ye in Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high... And ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you"

See, the Holy Ghost must come UPON you. After already coming WITHIN you. At salvation, the Holy Ghost comes WITHIN you. When you're baptized in the Holy Ghost, He comes UPON you.

The Acts 2 experience is a must for every believer who wants to walk in the Power of God.

Go and read Acts 2 please and take note of 2 important verses:

Verse 15: "... In the LAST DAYS, I will pour out MY SPIRIT UPON all flesh....."

Verse 38: "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive THE GIFT of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Two important Gifts you must receive: 1. The gift of Salvation and 2. The Gift of the Holy Ghost.

Let me add another Scripture here. Saul encountered the Lord Jesus on his way to Damascus. He repented and began to seek the face of God in prayer. Then the Lord Jesus spoke to Ananias about Paul, asking him to go and pray for him.

Acts 9:17-18
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, BROTHER SAUL, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, AND AROSE, AND WAS BAPTIZED."

Regarding your use of the 'quote', I observed that you quoted a whole page instead of segmenting according to the sections you intend to respond to. See my example below:

So this is my first example

Now, I'll go to the next segment and quote another section.

This is my second example. I've quoted another segment of the page.

Now I can respond again to what I quoted above.

See the screenshot below to see what gave me the above results. You can quote as many segments of a post as you want.

God gives us His Life at salvation, and then gives us HIS POWER when we get baptized in the Holy Ghost.

bloodofthelamb:
Pls can you teach me how to quote you line by line. I tried it before but I messed everything up.... Let's us rob the mind of in Christ together.... I have a lot to respond and I pray the for the understanding of the Spirit of God to prevail.

Amen.

To quote a line you do it this way:

You put the word 'quote' in parenthesis at the beginning and at the end of the word, sentence or paragraph you want to quote. For example:

This is how to quote a word, sentence or paragraph on Nairaland. Start with the word 'quote' in parenthesis as seen at the begining of this paragraph, then end it with a forward slash and parenthesis as seen at the end of this paragraphs

Above is the result of my example after I did as you can see in the attached screenshot.

bloodofthelamb:
Being a disciple does not make one a believer.
✝ Matthew 7:21

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
✝ John 6:64

"But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him."

Followers doesn't always mean you have believers. Moreover believing in the wrong message is as bad, as not believing at all.

I'm sorry, this is heresy. Absolutely anti-scripture. Those who call Him Lord, Lord are not necessarily disciples. A disciple is someone who follows and obey. This is the Biblical standard. Wherever you see Believer or Disciple in the Bible, it's not talking about those shouting Lord, Lord please.

Those who Philip preached to became saved after Philip preached to them.

*They were not saved. Through salvation comes with the Spirit of God. ✝ John 3:5*

Seems you're contradicting yourself. I don't get your point in saying "They became saved when Philip preached to them" and again, "They were not saved."

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

KJV Bible
✝ Zechariah 4:6

"Then he answered and spoke unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV ✝ Ephesians 1:13

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

KJV Bible

Without the seal which is the adorable Spirit of Christ, the believer is not saved. On the last day, many will say, "Lord we believed in you, why are we being rejected but the Lord will say to them depart from me, for if you believe in me my Spirit would have been in you." The problem is not believing but what you are believing.

The seal actually comes immediately someone confesses Jesus as Lord. The moment the thief on Christ's right hand on the cross said "Lord, remember me..." He had that seal of salvation. The baptism is for power. Not for salvation. Holy Spirit baptism cones only after salvation.

Romans 10:9 is the simple truth about salvation.

"[b[If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."[/b]

At the point of confessing and believing, the Spirit of God revives your dead Spirit. You become born again. You now have the life of God.

Jesus was speaking to believers here:

Acts 1:8

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you"

In the above scripture, Jesus was speaking to Believers who had the Spirit of God in them but had not experienced the Baptism of Power. The power came in Acts 2. You might want to go and study that chapter. Those who received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 were only Disciples - Believers in Christ.

Acts 8:12
"But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, "

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation but a symbol of the real deal, that is, the baptism of the Holy Spirit or receiving of the Holy Ghost.

Water Baptism means to die with Christ and to resurrect with Christ. The person baptized is identifying with the death and resurrection of Jesus. It's mean for only those who are born again.

They were saved. They gave their lives to Christ.
We didn't give our life to him. He gave his life to us instead. We're just called to believe he did it. Simple

He actually didn't give His life to us. Rather He gave His Life FOR us. "The Righteous for the unrighteous, that we might be saved." We give out lives to Him as a mark of dedication and acknowledgement of His Lordship over us.

After this, see what happened next:

Acts 8:14-17

"When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Baptizing any anyone is just a symbol. Believing is the real deal, but it most be confirmed and sealed by the receiving of the Holy Spirit.Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit." This is the confirmation that they believed the right message.

As I said earlier:

1. Believers receive the Holy Ghost as a seal of salvation the moment they confess the Lordship of Christ and believe He was raised for their salvation.

2. After this follows the EMPLOYMENT which is the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in tongues.

In Acts 19, those people for whom Paul prayed were also believers. That's why Paul asked "Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye Believed?. Paul knew that it is one thing to be a Believer, it is another thing to be baptized in the Holy Ghost, hence, the question.. Not everyone who confesses Jesus Christ believes the message of the gospel. Not everyone one who preaches Christ and defend in arguments about Jesus here in Nairaland, actually believes the message of salvation.

Don't tell me Paul didn't know who the believers are. Don't tell me Paul laid hands on the non believers. The Bible says he laid hands on Believers.

Read also Acts 10 to see a similar scenario in the house of Cornelius.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is different from the salvation experience. In both cases the Holy Spirit comes into you:
It is not different brother. It is the same and it happens once and you will no that something has happened.

1. At salvation, He comes as the Spirit of Life to impart you with the Life of God to live a new life in Christ. True, but it is once and He also come with all package including power.

2. At the Holy Ghost baptism, He comes as the Spirit of Power to fill you with the Power of God to live a victorious life as a Christian in this perverse world.



True as well, but it is once and He comes with all package... Life, wisdom, knowledge, understand, might, power and of the fear of the Lord. There is no double coming of the Holy Spirit into man.

Please if you've not received the EMPOWERMENT, go for it. Read Acts Chapter 1 - 2, let the Holy Spirit teach you Himself.

IbnTimothy:
Islam seems to accept the virgin birth of Jesus, his miracles but not his words. They also seem to accept the old testaments except prophesies about Jesus' mission (e.g. Isaiah, Zachariah, Daniel etc.

Isn't this selective truth?

What is your take on this?

They even accept He is the Messiah but gave the term Messiah their own meaning.

Can you give your own meaning to a word you did not create? Fraud!

bloodofthelamb:
This scripture proves my point gloriously. Paul met some disciples who have been converted on false teaching mixed with a little bit of Jesus Christ here and there.
✝ Acts 19:3

"And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism."

KJV Bible

This was the root and reason why they haven't received the awesome Holy Spirit of Jesus and God. False teaching in the garment of the true gospel package using the beautiful name of Jesus. Paul had to simply redirect them to the truth and they received the Holy Spirit and they knew they had received something. The Holy Ghost did not sneak into them like someone hiding from the police.

Acts 19
4. (5-7) And they were. As soon as they heard of it, they were baptized in the name of the Master Jesus. Paul put his hands on their heads and the Holy Spirit entered them. From that moment on, they were praising God in tongues and talking about God's actions. Altogether there were about twelve people there that day. (Message Trans)

Regarding the Samaritan's unique situation, we might not truly know why God in his infinite wisdom decided to withhold his Spirit from them, until the coming of the apostles from Jerusalem. But one thing is crystal clear. They received the Holy Spirit when Peter and John came and they knew they received Someone.
The Samaritans hasn't received the Holy Spirit prior the coming of Peter and John so this negate your argument that one can receive the Holy Spirit coded and at another time receive His baptism again. Receiving the Holy Spirit is a one time thing. If you have received Him, you have received Him and you will definitely know, that is my point.

Those whom Paul met were actually Believers. They were called 'Disciples'.

Those who Philip preached to became saved after Philip preached to them.

Acts 8:12
"But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, "

They were saved. They gave their lives to Christ.

After this, see what happened next:

Acts 8:14-17

"When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit."

In Acts 19, those people for whom Paul prayed were also believers. That's why Paul asked "Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye Believed?. Paul knew that it is one thing to be a Believer, it is another thing to be baptized in the Holy Ghost, hence, the question.

Read also Acts 10 to see a similar scenario in the house of Cornelius.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is different from the salvation experience. In both cases the Holy Spirit comes into you:

1. At salvation, He comes as the Spirit of Life to impart you with the Life of God to live a new life in Christ.

2. At the Holy Ghost baptism, He comes as the Spirit of Power to fill you with the Power of God to live a victorious life as a Christian in this perverse world.

StillDtruth:
God Said "let us reason together". And reasoning involves head and its knowings.

What you say is a half truth and because i can see your intention is in saying the Truth, is why your statement looks right.

However, there is a part where you are wrong.

And if you indeed had the Holy Spirit then you would be lying and behaving like a mad person as you did in the polygamy threads

No, that was not a holy Spirit but a very unclean spirit.

If you have the Holy Spirit, you won't be creating threads to curse people and calling them mad people because they do not believe in God. God is love, and the fact that you're full of bitterness, hatred and cursing is proof that you don't know God. God calls sinners to repentance. He doesn't wish them dead. You even wish gruesome accidents on people. Shame on you. You don't know God!

I know you would never listen, instead you'll only curse and abuse. The Bible is not an authority to you. Head knowledge is more important to you. If God says let's reason together, is it not because He wants you to bring your head knowledge into alignment with Him through His Word? Or after you reason together, it's God's Word that would submit to your head knowledge? Why should you even reason with God's Word if your head knowledge is just enough? Everyone can have his head knowledge and believe whatever he or she chooses to believe according to you. I know from experience that it's a futile effort explaining the scriptures to you. So, I wouldn't bother replying you anymore. Go read the Bible yourself.

The fruits that have emanated through me in power over sin and in dominion over the power of darkness since my Holy Ghost baptism experience is enough. God has used me to help countless individuals out of Satanic bondages since then. By the grace of God, many have been filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in tongues by the laying on of my hands.

You don't know God. All your curses and your abuses on Nairaland already give you out. Yeah, Jesus called people Foxes, hypocrites, generation of vipers, etc. But he never abused, cursed or wished death on people! One day, you'll encounter Jesus and you'll come to discover that religion has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. You need to have a working relationship with Him.

To you everybody is mad including Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and just anybody as long as they do not have the same opinion as yours. SMH.

bloodofthelamb:
I don't understand what you mean by giving your life to Christ. I held this believe before but not anymore, I have discarded it. It is Jesus Christ that died for us and not the other way round. Regarding the precious Holy Spirit of Christ, He doesn't come in instalment.

This is the teaching that so many have been deceived by. Nothing like you give your life to Christ the Holy Spirit will sneak in quietly and you start to wait for baptism of the Holy Ghost again. When the heart truly believes you will experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit without praying for it like they do today in so many gathering centers called church. The Holy Spirit is too great to sneak in unnoticed. My friend in redemption of Jesus Christ, though I am still learning through the guidance of the Holy Spirit in me, but on this matter, this is the truth.

I don't know maybe you're one who only believes what you think or what the Bible says:

My very close friend received the Holy Ghost when we were prayed for. I didn't receive that day. I received the Holy Ghost in my room many months later in 1999.

Anyone who confesses Jesus as Lord is a Believer and has the Spirit of God in him. The next stage afterwards is the Baptism. Read the Bible my friend, especially the Acts of Apostles. I'm not a conventional Christian. If you believe in the Bible and not just on your own thoughts, I would show you numerous scriptures regarding this. But since I do not know your stand, I'll just show you something in Acts 19. Paul met some Believers in Acts 19:2 and asked them "Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?" Read below:

Acts 19:1-7

""And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve."

Read Acts 8 where Philip evangelized in Samaria and got many who gave their lives to Christ. The apostles heard in Jerusalem that people in Samaria had given their lives to Christ, they then came to Samaria and laid their hands on them that they might receive the Holy Ghost.

Please read the Bible. We Christians have the Bible as our final authority on any subject matter. We don't live by some head knowledge.

jaephoenix:
Simple question. Does he believe in Yahweh? Yes or no? Bastard

This dirty atheist is really pained. He is even mentioning the name of his father.

Dirty atheist, a cultural Christian is not an atheist . He's a casual Christian who has not totally dismissed his belief in God but is yet to take a final stand about God while he continues holding on to Christian values and passing them on to his children. There's no way you can pass Christian values to your children without teaching them about God.

Lying atheist, not everyone who does not believe in God is an atheist. There are agnostics, humanists, secularists, deists, pantheists, Jains, SBNR, etc. Even if he does not believe in God, you can't call him an atheist except he professes to be one! However, dirty and ignorant lying atheist, Musk is actually a cultural Christian.

jesusjnr2020:
The Bible is by far the most reliable history book in history, believe it or not.

God bless.

This fact is indisputable. The world would continue to unravel more mysteries as the end draws nearer.

In the hereafter, those who have based their lives on the inconclusive evidences of imperfect science would wish they listened to the warnings of the Believers who have sounded the Gospel to them on earth. Deceived atheists are in serious trouble except they repent.

OLAADEGBU:
An unprecedented number of Muslims are choosing to follow Christ, especially in Iran as people search for a better life.

Glory to Jesus! A better life truly exists in Christ.

Sand2022:
As a JW, one teaching I was opposed to was the trinitarian doctrine. I cannot see how Jesus can be God. I feel they are distinct persons and that Jehovah is the only God. That only Jehovah should be worshipped. When I became a JW, I was further told the meaning of Trinity, and I came to have more hatred for the doctrine. From what the witnesses taught me, I told myself that I didn't even believe this trinity even while I was in the church. Three persons in one God is contradictory to me.

I knew the proves the witnesses have against Trinity. As an elder I taught this from the platform then. But recently, I revisited that doctrine. This time through a personal scriptural analysis to see what the Bible has to say. But before I tell you what I found out scripturally, let us first look at the meaning of Trinity which for many years I never knew.

I found out that Trinity doesn't mean three persons inside one God. Rather three persons that has one Nature. The nature aspect is what I had missed for many years. I never understood it that way before.

Their are three persons, but they have one nature. From what I understand, when we think about God, we mean the creator of heaven and earth, MOST importantly, when we think of God, we mean our Deity. Now what trinitarians are saying is that there are more than one persons who match that description, but all of them possess the same features we have in mind when we say God. In other words they have the same Nature, but they are not one person.


Let's say it another way. When you say Human. You obviously know that the feature of humankind is not possessed by just one person. There are many, but they all have the same human features. So when you think about God, you are thinking about a nature. In that nature are three persons that possess it.

This is a huge game changer in my Trinity journey. You may have noticed that I have avoided Trinity subject in this board. This is deliberate. Prior to this time, I never believed that doctrine. And for some time, I delved into it, and started to see things differently. My approach to this subject might be different from what you have ever heard before on this subject because I did my study, and i also tried to view the subject from a JW perspective and saw that even from JW teaching, you cant run away from this one nature shared by the three, especially the two, father and Son.

In my part 2 of this trinity series, We will start from John 1:1. Let's trace Jesus origin once more. Check in next week Thursday.

This is a really beautiful revelation of the Trinity.

Courz:
Nice one Sand2022. As a former JW myself, when I woke up, I decided to read the Bible for myself without the JW interpretation. I made sure to dump the New World Translation Bible of JW and read different Bible versions. I also used to think the Trinity doctrine was foolish and made no sense as a JW. But when I read the Bible for myself, I saw instances where Jesus is called God. I also noticed that Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit always act together. They are separate of course but whenever one does something, it is the 3 of them doing it. This was what I kept seeing in the Bible.

For example, in the Bible, it is said God raised Jesus from the dead. It is also said Jesus told the Jews Destroy this temple and in 3 days , I will raise it up again. The temple is his body. Meaning, Jesus raised his body back to life. Then in another verse, it says the Holy Spirit dwelling in us is the same Spirit that brought Jesus back to life. See? This is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit acting together. They are truly One even though separate.

I don't know if you have watched Near Death Experiences. There are testimonies of Christians who went to heaven when they died. I have one testimony of a very young boy although it isn't a Near Death Experience. It is an experience of seeing heaven made possible by Jesus himself. This boy should be 7 or 8 years old. The boy was narrating his vision of heaven to his parents. He said he saw Jesus and saw God as described in the Bible but he couldn't see God's face as that's not possible. He said he noticed that God and Jesus would merge together to be one and at some point would separate. I found this interesting because it lines up with what Jesus said: I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. It also lines up with the verse that says Jesus is the exact representation of his Father in Divinity. Also, the same Bible says The Holy Spirit dwells in us once we accept Jesus. It also says Jesus dwells in us. It then says our body is the temple of God. The three always act in Unison. This is the only way to explain The Trinity doctrine that aligns with the Bible.

I don't believe the Holy Spirit is God though that should be worshipped since the Bible never said so. But these verses have made me to realise that Jesus is more than a messenger. He is so much more. He is Mighty God as he created everything. Almighty God is also God and our creator. The same Holy Spirit was in action during creation. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are truly One.

Wow! I'm so edified.

bloodofthelamb:
The Spirit of God is not a person you will have and you will not know. You will surely know because the signs will be there. The Spirit of God is not someone you will have and your life and body will remain the same. You will surely know that you have not just a visitor, but now a permanent resident. It is impossible for the Holy Ghost to be in you and you will be unaware. The great Spirit of the Great God! The Creator of all things both visible and non visible. The earliest disciples knew. Those who have Him today knows as well. Don't leave your life thinking you are on the right path that leads to life, not knowing that you are on your way to damnation.

Let me share my experience of the very day the Holy Spirit came into me. At first, I didn't understand what was happening because no one was there to teach me. He came upon me like anointing. I was alone in the room, humming my believe in Jesus Christ sacrifice for me as I always do. I felt something dropping on my head. It was as if someone was emptying a gallon of olive oil on my head. I look up to the roof of my room to check if it was from there, but I was disappointed. My room was not licking and rain was not falling that day either. I was shocked and amazed at the same time. I didn't know what was happening but I liked the feeling that came with it. The more I hum and declare what Jesus has achieved for me at the cross the dropping intensified. Glory to Jesus Christ who has redeemed me from the Law now and ever. Amen.

Till today I still experience the anointing of the Holy Ghost and Flashes of light. I may stay in my room now and feel the amazing and soothing wind of the Holy Spirit blowing on my skin especially whenever I engage in praise and worship thanking Jesus for my salvation in Him.

Note: all the doors and windows are usually closed, so is not our natural earthly breeze.... This is an eternal reality for those who have Him. We are forever yoked together... Glory to God who made it possible. With the Arrival of the Holy Spirit comes clarity with the true gospel. I began to understand that all I have been thought in church why growing up are wrong. I now understand with firm conviction that through Jesus I am made right with my Heavenly Father now and forever. Friends in God's redemption, examine now your believe and be sure you are believing the write thing and as you do I see the Holy Ghost rushing into your life. The Spirit of God is eager and anxious to be in you, with you and upon you. He can't simply wait for you to believe the right message. Have you ever seen a man waiting for his lover to come home so that they can be together? How anxious and eager they always are. that is how and even more anxious the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus Christ from the dead is to come to you.

The feeling is mutual. A circling cool breeze blowing around you in such a gentle manner while you feel a wave rising in your heart and then running through your body from head to toe with a mixed sensation of mild coldness and fire. Yeah, that's the Holy Spirit moving upon you.

I appreciate God for your experience my brother. Many so called Christians are mere church goers who do not have the Holy Ghost in them.

A little point of correction please. Once you give your life to Christ, the Holy Spirit immediately comes to dwell in you. You are Christ's from then on even though you're not yet baptized in the Holy Ghost. When you get baptized in the Holy Ghost, you're now dwelling in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit also dwelling in you. This goes beyond merely having the Holy Spirit dwelling in you at salvation. This fulfils the Words of the Lord Jesus when He said:

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and YE IN ME AND I IN YOU.” John 14:20.

jaephoenix:
Idiotic christian, what do we call someone that does not believe in any god?
Training his kids in christian ways does nothing make him a Christian. There are Yoruba Muslims that train their children as Christians, doesn't mean they aren't Muslims.
Does a cultural christian mean he's a christian? He says he doesn't believe in any god

Lying atheist.

He didn't profess to atheism. He called himself a Cultural Christian!

jaephoenix:
Neither did he say he's a Christian.
I like some Bible passages and gospel song but I'm no Christian.
You say you have no religion but you believe in a god. U well so?

Lying Atheist. You and your friend first claimed he's atheist, why are you now changing mouth?

The man trained his kids with Christian values according him. He didn't train them with atheistic values. That should tell you something.

He said he's a 'Cultural Christian.'

jaephoenix:
Musk isn't a Christian. He doesn't believe in any god.
I sent some screenshot of his beliefs

He never identified as an Atheist. In a recent interview regarding his son's transgender issue, he claimed he raised his children with Christian values. That should tell you something. He went further to claim that he believes in Christian principles as taught by the Anglican church.

The religion he spoke about in your screenshot which he claimed he had no word for can be everybody's religion. Personally I have no religion myself. My religion is to do good to all men and work collectively with others to build a just, fair and Godly society.

Yorrobber:
The richest atheist is Elon Musk at $222 billion
The richest Pastor is Kenneth Copeland at $300 million


But I didn't expect you to know this.
It takes a very low level of intelligence to come up with this thread.

Elon Musk is not an atheist!!! Why do atheists love so much lies?

jaephoenix:
On your first point, you said any intelligent product must have a creator. Then in your second point you said a creator must not have a creator. So are you saying a creator is not an intelligent creation or product?
Lol. You'll committed a big fallacy of special pleading and you don't care.

Oya, point out where I said those two things you conjured up in your head while I have emboldened above.

jaephoenix:
1. So u r saying some stuff weren't created?
2. Is god an intelligent being? If yes, who created him/her/them/it?
3. Please rephrase that point. Telling me i keep running away is deflecting from the point

1. I'm not about whether some stuff were created or not. That's not what I'm discussing with you. I'm telling you that anything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose must have a creator or a manufacturer. The creator created it with an intention to make it fulfil that purpose, he/she then intelligently goes to work to create/make or manufacture that thing that fulfils that specific purpose. If there's an intelligent design in things that are existing to fulfil specific purposes, the existence of a Creator being behind such purposeful designs cannot be argued against. Period!

2. All those questions of 'Who created God' etc are unintelligent questions because there's no rule or law that says a Creator MUST be created. Or that a Manufacturer must be manufactured. Additionally, If you don't know how a Creator or a Manufacturer came into being, it's foolishness to conclude that such manufacturer or creator does not exist based on your ignorance of how He/She came into being.

3. If you missed the entire points of my discussion, of what relevance is rephrasing the words for someone who is discussing matters that were never raised?

jaephoenix:
1. You keep talking from both sides of your mouth. You just said below that you didn't say everything must be created, now you are saying there is a creator.
Lemme ask you one more time. IS EVERYTHING CREATED? YES OR NO?

What type of human being are you? Can't you focus on what I said instead of trying to put words in my mouth? Show me where I said everything is or was Created! My emphasis is on PURPOSE!

2. So tell me the stuffs that weren't created? And why I pointed out the source of creation is cos you christians keep saying atheists believe something came drom nothing.

Irrelevant question! Who's talking to you about something that was created or not crested? You created that topic in your head! Everything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose has a creator! Dispute that!

3. I don't even understand the point you're tryna make here

How can you understand when you keep running away from the actual topic of discourse?

4. Lol. I don't even know how to start explaining this point to you. Lemme start with this one. Have you watched labor before? Are you aware some babies are covered in poo while coming out. Why does an intelligent designer put the entry point of all humans just beside the shit dump? Also are you aware that back pain and hemorrhoids is rampant in humans cos of our bipedal nature? Maybe you can read up some of the flaws here. https://nautil.us/top-10-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-235403/

Are you aware that humans have appendix? What do you think was the purpose? Lets start with that one before we go forward

Absolute nonsense! Imperfection is never a proof that there's no Creator!

jaephoenix:
1. Yes, effects can be used as proof. We can't see gaseous oxygen but its effects on us is obvious. The proof of the existence of my mind is that we can see its effects. My day to day actions. Also some 'minds' have pathologies like schizophrenia, Alzheimer's etc
2. You said everything must be created, right? So how did this creator come about? And where did he see material to create universe and animals, including man.
3. What do you mean my 3 heads have no effect? I’m using them to head football. Even if theres no effect, does it mean it doesnt exist?
4. The human body is one of the worst piece of art. So don't use it as an example of 'intelligent design'. Its greatly flawed in design and purpose, and prone to a lot of diseases. I'm a physician, I'll tell you that for free

1. So accept that the effects of creation is a proof that there was a Creator behind creation.

2. When did I say everything must be created? Even if I said so, the questions you asked are irrelevant. Ignorance of how the Creator came about or of the tools He used for His creations has nothing to do with the proof of His existence.

3. Lies. I never said your 3 heads have no effect. I said your 3 heads and your magic wand has no effect. You need to separate your one head which we see from your 3 heads and magic wand which we do not see for you to make any sense.

4. Your body can be one of the worst peace of art for all I care. Not mine. Science is amazed at the complexity and the intelligent design of the human body and the universe. The nervous system itself is such a marvel. Lying atheist, why have you not created your own piece of human body since your yeye body is the worst piece of art? Show me the body you have Created. Your faulty logic lies in the fact that imperfection itself does not disprove the existence of a Creator.

Moreover, your weak attempt to digress from the very points I made is very glaring. You couldn't counter me at all. You're just beating around the bush. I have told you that everything created has a PURPOSE. The key word here is PURPOSE. Purposeful designs that are intelligently put together. That's what you should dispute. Stop beating around the bush. Show me something that has a Purpose. Something Intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose and yet has no creator. Just show me one!

jaephoenix:
The mind can be proven to exist. Its a combination of our consciousness, thought process and behavior. We can actually appraise thought processes via EEG and other machines.
So if creationism doesn't need a proof, if I tell you I have 3 heads and a magic wand that works like a genie, would you believe me without a proof?

Have you ever seen your mind before? You're pointing out its effects as proofs. Meanwhile the effects of creationism are everywhere around us but yet you dismissed them. Your 3 heads and magic wands that work like a genie have no effect like the mind and creationism do, hence, they can be dismissed as being fictitious. The complexity of the universe itself and the purposefulness of everything created (Everything created has an important purpose - the eyes for seeing, the legs for movement, the air for sustaining breath, the tongue for tasting foods, the hole on your ass for passing out expended food, a separate tract for passing out used water, trees and plants for food production, rains and sunshine and all the numerous things that exist each has its purpose. Such purposeful existent of things CAN NEVER be accidental. There's a mark of intelligence, thoughtfulness, calculation and proactiveness in all things created. Creationism proves itself. Your three heads and magic wands do not.

jaephoenix:
Bit.ch, if you cannot read, then shut it. I never directly called you a retard

IIs Bit.ch the name of your mother or what? You are a liar and an unrepentant one for that matter. After I showed you your dementia evidence you resorted to denials? How old are you? A mature adult would own his mistakes and make amends with wisdom.

jaephoenix:
Ok, if you say so

Liar, confess and apologize.

jaephoenix:
You obviously ignored my point. The difference between the 2 is he can prove evolution while he cannot prove creationism. So one is based on evidence and the other on faith. So which one is he going to take serious?

Creationism doesn't need any proof. It proves itself. That someone cannot prove something does not mean he can't believe in it. I cannot prove the existence of the mind but I believe it exists.

jaephoenix:
Oga, I wasn't specifically referring to you

By referring to all christians while discussing with me, you're referring to me and extending the insults to all christians. You're just a demonic and unrepentant liar.

jaephoenix:
You started it

Liar! There's no single truth in a demonic and satanic atheist!

I said atheists are liars and you have proven it to be true.

After I cured your dementia, you found solace in more lies.