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MaxInDHouse:
If they don't then why are they criticizing him?

They criticized Him because they thought He wasn't the Son of God as He claimed.

You're yet to give me any scripture where they claimed He contradicted or destroyed scriptures.

Exactly what we feel you people are doing as we are fulfilling what the scriptures say but it's now our words against yours that's why you need to look critically into the matter instead of judging from one side!

We don't feel you do it. Rather we see you doing it by contradicting scriptures, making false prophecies about Christ's second coming and claiming some men you call GBs have authority to say things that could be held as truth against the Word of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop beating around the bush.

I have given you things he said that contradicts what the Jews believe that's why they never accepted him as a true prophet till today!

You didn't give me anything. You only quoted a scripture by Jesus Himself where He put His messages in right perspective before a presentation.

No one accused Jesus of contradicting or destroying scriptures. Jesus came to fulfil the scriptures. The JWs contradict scriptures from Old Testament to New Testament to establish a satanic gospel.

MaxInDHouse:
Use of English!

Ọmọ Contradicting or Destroying means the same thing to the Jews remember Jesus didn't carry their scriptures to destroy it rather he was saying things that's CONTRACTING what they all knew before him.

Bring a dictionary that says that.

Bring quotes from scriptures where Jesus was accused of destroying and contradicting.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to be biased on this try to calm down and think why Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

There are things the Jews believe that Jesus is against.

For instance all the prophets support fighting and killing their enemies {Deuteronomy 7:16; 1Samuel 15:3} but Jesus said they should love and pray for their own enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Adulterers should be stoned to death {Deuteronomy 22:23-24} but Jesus said only the sinless should stone sinners.

Israelites should get married and bear children but Jesus said whoever chooses to remain single should be allowed! Matthew 19:12

The prophets including John the baptist taught the Jews weekly ritual fasting but Jesus' disciples don't practice such!

God's word forbids eating blood {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14} but Jesus told his own disciples that they must drink his blood! John 6:

So don't try to argue what is plain you can only start defending what Jesus said and did but as for Jews who don't believe in him to them he was CONTRADICTING THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!

Those are not the things they believed about Jesus. Jesus was saying that only to put His messages in right perspective.

Quote where anybody said He came to destroy the law. Mind you, destroying the law is different from contradicting the law. Show us where anyone said He contradicted the law. Contradiction is what you and your JW organization have been known for.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what he said nah but what about his own people did they agree with him?

No one said He contradicted scriptures. Quote where they said that. They only did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Don't bring manipulations into this please. Quote pure scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what millions of Jews in the first century till today are saying about Jesus of Nazareth so if you want to know the truth it's not by comparing the difference between what they say but looking critically at how God's word is undergoing fulfilment in your own time.

That's what helped Jesus' Jewish disciples if they stick to the teachings of the prophets in ancient times they will surely condemn Jesus of Nazareth too!

My friend, Jesus didn't contradict the scriptures in anyway. He fulfilled them.

MaxInDHouse:
How many people did God spoke to directly?

Ọmọ God's word has always been passed from mouth to mouth {Romans 10:15} that's why Jesus commanded his disciples to keep on passing the message! Matthew 28:19-20

What you're calling God's word came to you and i through humans so if you're speaking against humans who are passing messages to their fellow humans what is the assurance that you're not rejecting God's word?

So, you mean, some humans can therefore come and speak some supposed God's words today that are contrary to what God had spoken before?

This is pure deception. Have you observed that the Bible was written over thousands of years with God's words spoken through diverse individuals, and all of them speak in unity without any contradiction? If anyone comes today to speak contradictions, he's a false prophet.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is really amusing walahi talahi!

Why do love lying to your own soul?

Please are you saying oteneaaron now believe in your Jesus?

Ọmọ all what you're doing here is like stupidity to oteneaaron because he doesn't believe in your Jesus he's just using you.

But if you want to prove me wrong tell him to preach a little bit of what he now believes in your Jesus, walahi talahi i will become Born Again now now if oteneaaron preach Jesus to convince me!

What about the non highlighted?

MaxInDHouse:
https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse



Let the Internet keep the record!

So, you don't believe that if any man be in Christ, old things are passed away?

If you hold the words of men in higher esteem than the Words of God, are you still not an unbeliever?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted above is the reason why you're never going to be my own brother your hypocrisy stinks as you call an atheist who told you to your face that Jesus doesn't exist "a brother".

So why not direct your hypocritical wishes to oteneaaron at least he's your BROTHER in da lord, preach your born again doctrine to him first before disturbing your brain about someone like me!

I don't have any brother that says Jesus doesn't exist. "I have a brother who says I was once a JW, became an atheist, made my research, my eyes opened, and now I'm a child of God. Jesus dwells on my inside". Whatever he said in the past has passed away according to the scriptures. Everything has become new according to the scriptures. You don't value the scriptures. Your value is misplaced on the words of your GB. So, I perfectly understand why you wouldn't believe that "if anyone be in Christ, He is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and behold, everything has become new."

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha

Don't feel sorry for him bro, you should be happy!

Here is why you should be happy -

The JWs on this forum like MaxInDHouse, Aemmyjah and Janosky are hiding under the cloak of anonymity to break a clear commandment from their Governing Body regarding "apostates" which states -

Watchtower 2004 Feb 15 p.28
"It would be a mistake to think that you need to listen to apostates or to read their writings to refute their arguments. Their twisted, poisonous reasoning can cause spiritual harm and can contaminate your faith like rapidly spreading gangrene. (2 Timothy 2:16, 17) Rather, imitate God's response to apostates. Job said of Jehovah: "Before him no apostate will come in." - Job 13:16."

These guys are clearly going against the instruction of their Governing Body and if they ever get exposed in the real world, they will be punished for this because the word of the Governing Body is LAW.

That is why you should be happy, rebelling against the clear commandments of the Governing Body is one of the first steps to becoming an "apostate".

They are on the right path and should be encouraged for disobeying the Governing Body - that shows that they are actually rebels and as time goes on, they will get bolder to do some research to defend their false teachings and in the course of that research, they continue to defy the Governing Body and eventually become full blown apostates.

They are not supposed to be here in the first place.

So don't feel sorry for them, instead applaud them for being hold enough to break the rules of the Governing Body - it's the first step on a long journey.

😂😂😂

CC: Achorladey, Emusan, Courz.

Nice one. Thanks for the clarification. As long as they remain here, they'll keep hearing the Truth until the Truth takes roots in their hearts.

oteneaaron:
What a perfect statement to showcase the conditional love Jehovah's Witnesses practice!

In JW language,

"remains faithful to Jehovah" = remains faithful to the Organization

Jehovah = The Organization

Always keep this fact in mind when dealing with a JW.

CC: Johnw47, FxMasterz.

Noted. The organization is their Jehovah.

oteneaaron:
Don't allow him gaslight you bro.

No one has a monopoly on Nairaland.

We must continue to expose evil no matter how much evildoers want such exposure to be hidden - evil thrives in darkness and ignorance.

If you see something that is wrong and you keep quiet, you are no different from the perpetrators themselves.

I repeat - do not allow anyone gaslight you.

Thanks brother. He wants us to look away whenever he spreads his dangerous nets to catch gullible souls.

MaxInDHouse:
Worshipers of the happy God {1Timothy 1:11} are always happy people that's why those that disengage themselves or those disengaged are always complaining due to grief! Isaiah 65:14

You've not asked yourself why they can't move on after leaving the so called Satanic group well it's because they're deceiving themselves only Jehovah's Witnesses are happy people globally that's why you're worried whenever i tell you that someone like me is not worshiping the same God with you because deep down in your heart you wish you and i should be brothers in faith!

Deep down in my heart, I wish you could become born again and learn to respect the Word of God and hold it in higher esteem than the words of men - your GB. I wish you could be honest enough with yourself to open your eyes and see the many contradictions I have shown you about your doctrines from the scriptures. Those contradictions and falsehoods which you could not refute. I'm baffled that you ignored all, decided to manipulate instead, and then continue in self-deceit. The latest of them is that the Scriptures say "We shall not all sleep." But you said "We shall all sleep", just because your GB said so. It is really pathetic. I wish you could become my brother in trusting the Word of God and holding it in reverential fear above the words of men.

MaxInDHouse:
Just say anything having to do with Jehovah's Witnesses attracts! Matthew 5:14-16

Does that make you happy? I'm glad you're happy.

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times that people on this forum aren't worshiping the same God except Jehovah's Witnesses that's why you all argue endlessly over doctrines you only agree when it's time to antagonize Jehovah's Witnesses.

So you're not invited to my thread now that you've known you and i aren't worshiping the same God.

Flash!
You can never ever find one single person with whom you will agree on terms and conditions of worship since you don't believe in GROUP and that's why you shouldn't expect me to agree with you on anything you cook up as beliefs the only way to make it work is when there's a GROUP practicing the same thing if not you're just deceiving yourself!

Just declare it that your god is not the Christian God and that your thread is meant only for JWs. I won't comment on it.

It's as simple as that. Without that declaration, you make your thread a public thread for everyone including me to comment on. By commenting on any thread here, I am only exercising my right to free speech. You can't take it away from me.

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achorladey:
How will someone read the account of Daniel and say this verse is talking about 1914 after that mental gymnastics of a calculation based on dates obtained from other sources outside of the Bible.

How will someone read the bible and say for +/-1900 years only 70 remained faithful to Jesus Christ every year and that Jesus didn't have time to gather those they call great crowd of other sheep until 1935

Where did they get all these dates and events from? They just like dates, dates and dates. Wetin 1900 and 1935 do them again?

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't mention but you kept commenting on my thread and making reference to me after we have part ways shey?
Ọmọ you can continue talking about me at least you know now that you and i aren't worshiping the same God so your comments about me is wasted because you are talking about a worshiper of another God!

All you need to do is to make this bolded declaration at the beginning of your threads.

achorladey:
Looool! He shouldn't be on this platform in the first place going by the instructions given to them by his GODS of men housed in USA.

He simply wants to get you off his back by saying their own God is different from others

He should ask the mods to create a section inside religion section like the one for Islam

Very good idea.

achorladey:
They do read it with the glasses and indoctrinated mind of their GODS of men housed in USA.

Succinctly said.

achorladey:
In the land of the Jehovah’s Witnesses there are anointed Christians and non anointed Christians


Only 144,000 are anointed Christians and Jesus brothers the reason they refer to them as sons of God any other person are friends and not referred to as sons

Don't these guys here read the Bible for themselves?

MaxInDHouse:
There are thousands of people on this forum that can see my thread it's either they read and drop their comments or leave me with my beliefs but you won't do that always begging me to accept your Jesus yet saying i belong to the devil. Must you comment on my thread?



Hypocrite!

Oteneaaron said your Jesus is a myth.

Courz said Jehovah is a demon.

OLAADEGBU keeps demeaning your pastor.

All of them you left only to continue following me up and down, what's the difference between you and the first century Judaists trailing Jesus and his disciples up and down because they're calling on the name of the same God and quoting the same scriptures?

If Olukoya, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor and so on all never agreed on the same line of thought regarding their Jesus why must i agree with you on the same Jesus?

My dear, you were the one who mentioned me. I didn't mention you. You came telling me that I'm scared to mention you. That was where we started from.

If you make the said declaration without pretending to be serving the same God we serve, I'll leave you alone.

MaxInDHouse:
Our own God is the God of a GROUP if yours is not that's understandable what i found hard to grasp is how you can't just accept that the God of Jehovah's Witnesses differ from yours!

You should stop asking me about a group. My God is not a group God.

Since you have confessed that your god is quiet different from ours, do not create threads without first making this declaration. If at the beginning of every thread you create, you declare that the god of the JW is different from the Christian God, and that your thread is targeted at fellow JWs who serve the same God as yours, honestly I'll leave you alone.

achorladey:
On the basis of Christ’s sacrifice, Jehovah forgives the sins of those who exercise faith. He accepts as his worshippers those who dedicate themselves to him. Jehovah declares anointed Christians righteous as his sons and those of the “other sheep” righteous as his friends. (John 10:16; Rom. 5:1, 2; Jas. 2:21-25) So even now, the ransom enables us to have a righteous standing with our Father and to share in the sanctification of his name.

Very typical of Satan. He mixes truth with lies to deceive the gullible. Let's break this piece down into lies and truth:


"On the basis of Christ’s sacrifice, Jehovah forgives the sins of those who exercise faith." - True

"He accepts as his worshippers those who dedicate themselves to him." - True

" Jehovah declares anointed Christians righteous as his sons. - Half Truth (There's nothing like anointed christians because if you're a Christian, you're actually anointed. 1 John:20 (But you have an anointing from the Holy One).

"...and those of the “other sheep” righteous as his friends. (John 10:16; Rom. 5:1, 2; Jas. 2:21-25)" - Lies. (There's nothing like 'other sheep'. All believers are both friends, sheep and brethren: John 15:15, John 10:14, Romans 8:29.

"So even now, the ransom enables us to have a righteous standing with our Father and to share in the sanctification of his name." - True (By virtue of the ransom, Jesus takes our position while we take His position, thereby, we become the righteousness of God in Him, 2 Cor. 5:21).

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're quoting the scriptures and i'm also quoting the scriptures that's why i'm asking for the GROUP practicing what you're quoting if you can't present any then there's no need arguing further it's what you quote against what i quote the only difference is i have a global group practicing what i'm saying while you can't present any group of people which means you have no reason demanding i should agree with you!

God does not relate with Groups. He relates with individuals. You don't know how deeply you're displaying ignorance each time you ask for groups. Even in places where Christianity is banned, individual Christians who worship God individually continue to have great relationships with God because God is not the God of a group.

achorladey:
Tired about what they see as truth to be spread

Even when it is shown to them to be clearly contradictory to Scriptures? It baffles me.

If I hold an ideology and someone shows me how contrarily my ideology stands against the Word of God, I'll drop that ideology immediately.

David said in Psalm 119:57-60

"Thou art my portion, O Lord: I have said that I would keep thy words. (not the words of my GB). I entreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word. I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies. I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments (not the commandments of my GB)."

When the commandments of my GB runs contrary to the Word of God, I'll choose the Word of God over the commandments of my GB.

achorladey:
The substitute Jesus Christ

Too bad. Maxindhouse believes the GBs are the only ones who can share revelations. Even when he read in the Bible that Paul said 'Each one of you has a revelation but things must be done orderly," he still refuses to believe the Bible. Instead he believes his GBs.

MaxInDHouse:
Our God differs from yours and our father differs from yours.

That's why we can never ever agree!

Agreed. You don't worship the Bible's God that's why you have to get your own customized Bible. Angel Gabriel is your Lord. The words of your GB are more important than the Word of God.

Indeed, you serve a different Jesus and have a different gospel emanating from a different god alien to even the Apostles. This is the first time you spoke the truth.

achorladey:
He who does the will of the father is part of the family. They have redefined that in that religious denominations to mean different things.

For example Jesus brothers are just 144,000 in numbers

Their doctrine about the bolded is one of the most heartbreaking lies anyone can tell to people who want to serve Jesus.

achorladey:
You never see anything yet. You go see more lies and manipulations of the scripture.

But, don't they get tired?

achorladey:
Claim monopoly over God and house and bound God under a Christian denomination

Reminds me of 1 Peter 5:3 which addresses leaders:

"Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example."

Even lying to them that you're the only ones endorsed by God to lead people to heaven.