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TenQ:
The problem of Muslims isn't just unbelieve alone but spiritual Blindness and failure of conscience!

Bro, they are all within the activities of the spirit of unbelief. The demon blinds the mind, sear the conscience and evoke anger in the hearer towards the preacher. He gets angry unnecessarily at you at some point and would not want to see your face at all. He could even become murderous just because you're speaking the Word of God to him. That's the demon of unbelief at work. It is the demon generally responsible for faithlessness and anti-God activities.

TenQ:
I agree perfectly with you. Islam is a spiritual disease: this is why they are very similar in the way they argue against the truth with the JW! No difference!

Unbelief itself is a demon spirit. It has the mission from Satan to block people from having faith even when they see truth.

Effective evangelism occurs when the preacher can first bind the spirit of unbelief in the life of his hearer before teaching him the Word of God.

TenQ:
To Muslims, the truth is not enough. This is exactly why they will deliberately negate a truth with their lies and fabrications so that Islam can escape the truth.

Do you think any sensible human being can say that Mohammed is the best example for mankind?

Is it possible for a man who flirts with the wife of his adopted son because the best example for mankind?

They're mere readers of truth. They are unable to know the truth because their minds are veiled. Theirs a bondage on it that must be broken. They're not in control of their own thoughts. The devil is a master of his craft.

achorladey:
He said so using this account....

When Jesse and his sons arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, “Surely this is the man who the LORD has chosen.” But the LORD said to Samuel, “Eliab is tall and handsome, but don't judge by things like that. God doesn't look at what people see.

Hahahaha. He and Maxindhouse are just the same. That's not a brainier anyway. He is the role model of Maxindhouse.

TenQ:
I am aware of their arguments.

Modern islamic scholars are embarrassed by this: thus they try to change the narrative.


Here is what one of their most trusted scholars said

Tafsir Qur'an 18.83 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
And they, the Jews, question you concerning Dhū’l-Qarnayn, whose name was Alexander; he was not a prophet. Say: ‘I shall recite, relate, to you a mention, an account, of him’, of his affair

Al-Jalalayn is a Muslim scholar not a Christian!

So, Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander the Great: a bisexual and Idolater. Allah spoke to him and gave him an assignment in the Qur'an

Thanks bro for the clarification.

achorladey:
People that decide to travel abroad, then naturalise there means they cannot follow updates or be informed about what is happening elsewhere

He knows that we are exposing the lies and manipulations too much. He wants us to keep mute.

Of course. He doesn't want anyone to expose his lies . He wants to be the only one talking.

oteneaaron:
He has to LIE because that is his natural way of speaking.

Moreso, when you get baptized as a Jehovah's Witness, you are basically swearing an oath to the organization.

Here are the questions you are asked during a JW baptism (you have to answer YES) -

(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”

(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”

Whereas this is in complete contrast to the simple yet powerful process of baptism found at Mathew 28 VS 19 -

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

All cults are like that. You can't be a member without swearing an oath of allegiance.

MaxInDHouse:
Is it Islam that doesn't have what i can expose?

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

When you leave something you're supposed to move forward and not backward, let them continue living in the past honest hearted and sincere people are thinking of the way forward jọọ!

Since you're bereft of love for perishing souls, I'll not fault you for abusing me.

You're not a Christian! Simple!

Let me tell you the truth. If you know that people who go into a certain canteen you just left would become unfortunate to eat poisoned food which you just escaped from, would you move on without telling anyone you met on the way to the Canteen about the dangers of the food in there? Love for souls who are about to make the same mistakes you made by following a false religion would never allow you to move on especially when you see agents spreading their dangerous nets wide to catch more gullible souls.

You're just not a Christian. You're merely practicing religion. You don't know God.

2 Cor. 5:14
"For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died."

And if Christ died for all, it is our duty to work actively to deliver the unsuspecting man or woman from the jaws of deceivers like Maxindhouse and his JW cult.

This is what they're doing here. They won't move on. You can move on regarding Islam only because you don't know God. You're a mere religionist.

MaxInDHouse:
Baptism is just a joke shey?

Ọmọ continue deceiving yourself!

You're the one deceiving yourself. Did John say he was baptizing to reveal Jesus as the king of a kingdom to which the people must submit? Answer! Tell us where you picked that lie from.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the significance of his baptizing work?

Ọmọ they all believe that once the Messiah comes he will take over the world power and destroy all evildoers just as it's written in the scriptures! Daniel 2:44

So the baptism is a sign of obedience to the law and preparation to welcome the Messiah as obedient subjects under his kingdom.

That's the significance of his baptizing work otherwise nobody would there waste their time going to meet him if nothing is at stake.

Get that straight and stop deceiving yourself!

This is a lie! Did John ever preach that? That's the question. You're not the one to tell us the purpose of His baptism. Don't tell us what John did not say. John himself already told us why he was baptizing. Why add to his words?

John 1:30-32

"30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God"

Why are you lying!

John said "I came baptizing people to reveal Him to Israel as He who baptizes with the Holy Ghost, and I bear Him record that this is the Son of God." (Paraphrased).

"Where on earth did John say I came to reveal Him to you so that you can recognize Him and be obedient to His Kingdom"?

Must you lie to make your points? Even lying against John the Baptist so that he can become equatable with your lying GBs?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is lying here?

I LEFT Islam for Jehovah's Witnesses because i have seen something of higher value among the JWs so if they've left God's organization then why are they still following the organization up to date nah?

Ọmọ is this how low your IQ?

Why aren't they talking about their new found faith or church but always what they learned in Jehovah's Witnesses organization and not only the old things but updates from time to time.

As i'm talking to you now there are many things that has changed over the years in Islam that i don't know because when i left it was for good but here are people who said they have left only to keep updates on all the things the organization is doing.

Na so you mumu reach?

Yes, let me mumu if that's what is called mumu okay? You can be proud of that too.

In what way have they been following updates about the organization? These people have known the truth, and are here to expose the lies of the organization so that others would not fall victims of the organization they were once victims of!

Is that what you call 'following updates'? Na wá for you o.

MaxInDHouse:
How old are you?

Old enough to know you've been lying that the people opposing your group here are still members of your group.

They have categorically said they no longer belong. You insisted they still belong. Now prove that they still belong.

TenQ:
Modern Muslims are struggling to deny Alexander the Great now o!

Someone among them just did. He said Alexander was never a prophet of Islam.

TenQ:
Amen!

However, it takes more than the Truth to set a Muslim free. Unless they receive mercy, the Truth doesn't move them one bit.

Otherwise, droves of them would have left Islam since the inception of Nairaland Christian session

I don't think so. Truth would free them but it is one thing to read the truth, and it's another thing to know it. The read the truth but fail to know the truth. The Bible has described their situation well.

2 Timothy 3:7
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

achorladey:
The liar will keep rolling lies upon lies. He is struggling hard to equate his religious leaders and f today with John. That's how one of them said Samuel is a False prophet just to cover up the fact that their religious leaders are caught in false prophesy

So, how did the satanic leader prove Samuel a false prophet?

achorladey:
To keep the man made religious organization going they must know their craft well. If you are familiar with the book 1984 by George Orwell you will understand how they keep the lies and manipulations intact. The concept of lies sold to them is telling their members God has an organization. In fact you will see them saying members should have relationship with God and his organization.

Where did you see any of such falsehood preached by the apostles?

Have relationship with God and His organization? Who told them God has an organization?

achorladey:
You see how you catch the liar and manipulator

He must look for every means to drag you into his way and mode of operation

He deliberately cut off the rest of my comment and left the part he wanted to manipulate. He knew he had to isolate that part for the manipulation to work. Maxindhouse is just too tricky with his lies.

MaxInDHouse:
The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God: Just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “(Look! I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way.) A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’” John the Baptizer was in the wilderness, PREACHING baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins. Mark 1:1-4

With the two highlighted oya CORRECT yourself!

Stop manipulating my words. John didn't preach anything to them about what we were discussing which was the matter of Christ reigning as King.

Is the preaching of baptism and repentance the same as preaching that Christ has come to reign as King over Israel? Show me where John preached that Christ has come to reign as King over Israel. He had wrong expectations but never made a wrong declaration.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is what you term the premise separate from the question or in the question?

Now, this is what you said below. Where's the question about idolizing someone?

Is your faith blind or you don't have the capacity to reason independently and only follow what who you idolize tell You?

Ohyoudidnt:
I believe you understand what this sign ? means in a sentence.

The question was premised on the fact that there was someone I was idolizing. You never asked, are you idolizing someone?

Ohyoudidnt:
Alexander the great is not a prophet of Islam and was never said to be.

Have you found your psalms equivalent in the Quran?


Is your faith blind or you don't have the capacity to reason independently and only follow what who you idolize tell You?

You categorically insulted me by telling me I idolized someone. Did you ask me if I idolized anybody?

Ohyoudidnt:
Alexander the great is not a prophet of Islam and was never said to be.

Have you found your psalms equivalent in the Quran?


Is your faith blind or you don't have the capacity to reason independently and only follow what who you idolize tell You?

You don't need to abuse me or my faith. I only asked you a question! Why are you getting so agitated?

TenQ said he is a prophet in Islam. I'm sure He has his proofs.

I have read that verse myself regarding the "you will not leave my soul in the grave nor suffer your holy one to see corruption" in the Quran online. I'll search it out and bring it.

achorladey:
You are giving him room to advance lies and manipulations about John. That's how he was busy lying against Peter and the Holy spirit just to defend his 9 men housed in USA that his GODS of men can ERR like them too. They didn't teach or preach nonsense about the coming of Jesus Christ. He. John didn't make false predictions or prophesy about Jesus coming. John didn't go about ridiculing Christ coming with dates

Abi.

He only had expectations. He never even announced to the people that Christ has come to start a kingdom. He only showed them that Christ was the expected Messiah which was very correct.

Maxindhouse, tell us where John ever announced to the millions of Jews you were referring to that Christ has come to reign as king over them. To the best of our knowledge, it was just an expectation of John. He never preached or announced it like the JW are doing in their failed prophecies.

oteneaaron:
Very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

The doctrine of 1914 was initially an "end of the world" prophecy by Charles Taze Russell.

It was after the prophecy failed that they made a quick switch to begin calling it "the start of the last days".

Here are some evidences from their own publications to prove this -

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. [/b]It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. ... [b]The Scriptures show also that the battle of the great day will begin with the church of God, and that the overthrow of the great nominal church systems will precede the overthrow of the present civil powers; for the Lord is about to shake, not only the earth (the civil organisation for society), but heaven (the ecclesiastical powers) also (Heb. 12:26), to the end that great "Babylon," falsely called Christendom -Christ's kingdom- may be completely destroyed. " Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 pp.21-23

It is no surprise that MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are known for shamelessly spreading LIES - it is a trait they all share from the Governing Body down to the rank and file JW.

Back then when I was a member of this religion and decided to do my research into the history of the religion, was when I learnt about many of their FAILED PROPHECIES.

Deuteronomy 18 VS 21 & 22 was what gave me the boldness to stand strong and reject this religion, their Governing Body and their endless LIES -

"And if you say in your heart, `How may we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." - RSV

There is no need to be afraid of the Governing Body nor to be afraid of been shunned for rejecting their false prophecies and endless LIES.

CC: Emusan, Courz, FxMasterz, Wumiwumi100, JohnW47

For more context on their failed prophecies of 1914, see this article - https://jwfacts(dot) com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

*remove the (dot)

What I've discovered is that the JW GBs have mastered the art of Words. Word art is their fort. They are very eloquent and gifted talkers and writers. That skill, they combined with another skill in deception and manipulation of words coupled with an indepth knowledge of human psychology to fleece millions of gullible souls.

achorladey:
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members.


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying. They believed that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return and last days

Maxindhouse, another of your lies get busted again.

achorladey:
The liar and manipulator sabi parrot lies and manipulations packed into his brains....

Colossians 1:13 He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins.

The above scripture happened in 1914 .

They can even manipulate that Bible verse by saying that they were in darkness under babylon the great until 1919 when they were rescued and inspected by Jesus Christ. People that manipulate the parable of the talents to fit lies.

Maxindhouse, another scripture to puncture your 1914 lies. Shame on liars who lie against the Word of God.

achorladey:
The person that is still lamenting that after years of calling us mad. It has not removed the lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains as one of the worst fools on nairaland being one of Jehovah’s witness in his own words .


He knows we are no longer part of that religious organization. He even had to lie that we said he should not comment on his thread. He can use the whole space on his thread. Na im sabi. He simply cannot accept Aemmyjah saying stop responding to us. He cannot stop responding to us since he knows he has to cover up lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains about 1914

Maxindhouse, at the bolded, why did you lie? I ask you again!

achorladey:
You see the liar and manipulator saying let them leave that religious organization

Something he knows long before this time. Abusing and insulting us for doing so.

1874,1878 are dates before 1914 they said Jesus Christ second return will happen. When that did not work they manufacture another date

I've put the failed dates in memory. Thanks for alluding to them.

Maxindhouse, Achorladey says you knew long ago that they've left your organization, and you've even been abusing them because of it.

Why are you lying that they're still in the organization? Should you always lie before you make a point?

TenQ:
Former Christians among Mohammed's scribes. The. Muslims will say the the Qur'an is a RECITATION

May God open their eyes.

TenQ:
In Islam, a prophet or messanger is a person who receives a message from Allah.

Dhu al-Qarnayn received message from Allah in the Qur'an, this makes him a prophet. Of course Muslims will deny this because Alexander the Great was an Idolater and a bisexual BUT Mohammed didn't seem to know this

In short, an idolater and bisexual is a prophet of Allah.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're lying just as usual!
If you've been worshiping Satan and you know the meaning of Satan and the consequences of being in the midst of Satanists so you will still remain in their midst worshiping Satan shey?
You're now proving to be mischievous because a normal person will first leave the midst of Satanists and once he or she finds people who are worshiping the true God he or she will ask for how to join them in the right place.
Now you are here and you claim you're Jesus' disciple can't you first help them to start worshiping your own Jesus away from the midst of Satanists?
Ọmọ now you're showing your true color!

You don't have to cast an aspersion on me by saying I'm lying as usual before you make your defective points. What lie have I ever told you before?

A person could be a Satanist knowing he is worshipping Satan. He would leave satanism immediately he recognizes that God is not what Satanists claim about God.

Meanwhile, a person who worships Satan unknowingly but was deceived and told he was worshipping God, would leave gradually depending on the rate at which his confusion is cleared. At first he starts asking questions: Is this really God? Have I been deceived? Am I wrong? Hope I'm not making the wrong decision by leaving this group? All the while, he'll be researching until he is fully convinced. Then, finally, he leaves. This is a case different from someone who knows clearly that he was worshipping Satan.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you're deceiving yourself!

Now try to visualize millions of Jews in the first century who have heard John the baptist and believed what he said about the Christ but later found out that the so called Christ isn't going to fulfill what John prophesied about just as John himself who was sent to prepare the way, heard God's voice in connection with Jesus' baptism, saw the Holy Spirit like a dove landing on Jesus but started doubting Jesus as the expected Messiah do you think millions who never saw or heard what John experienced will still continue to believe Jesus?

John actually didn't have to preach anything to them. They all had the same expectations as John because the scriptures didn't clearly separate the 2 comings for them to understand. As I said, Christ had to explain it to His disciples, and after the explanation, no Christian including the separatist groups like your JW should make such blunders as John. Jesus was clear on that issue. Anyone placing a date on the second coming is a false prophet.

What the JWs believe is that Jesus will return in the year 1914 bodily to judge the world once he is enthroned in heaven but instead the first thing Jesus did was to sack Satan and all demons from heaven then he visited the earth as a mighty Spirit King to restructure his group for the final work of gathering the obedient ones throughout the earth.

Please all these are in the figments of your imagination. There's no Biblical basis for the above hogwash. There's nothing such as Jesus first returning as a mighty spirit King. It's absolute nonsense. This was concocted by the JW leaders to save face after their prophecy failed. They don't have any single scriptural backing for such a lie.

So if you're not condemning John the baptist and Jesus' first century Jewish disciples for having a wrong expectation despite seeing Jesus face to face your condemnation of JWs is biased my guy they actually got something right which is the presence of a mighty Spirit King who did something in heaven in the year 1914!

As I said before, John does not have to be condemned because the Bible didn't separate the 2 events of Christ's coming. Infact the events of the first and second coming are narrated in scripture as a singular event without anyone knowing that Christ would first fulfil a part, and later fulfil the other part. John the Baptist and the millions of Jews who expected Jesus to reign are not at fault.

Jesus had to explain things to the disciples and gave them clarity regarding what confused John. He then clearly lectured them regarding His second coming. There's no confusion regarding Christ's second coming. Everything is clear. Christ even warned that the timing is exclusively in the authority of the Father. He said He would come SUDDENLY. That means, He would not pre-announce a date. Anyone announcing a date for Christ's coming is a liar and deceiver.

Tell us any particular reason similar to the situation of John that should justify the blunders of the JWs. Don't just give us a blanket statement saying they too should err because John erred. John's reason for erring is clear. What's the reason for the JWs earring? Why are they the only ones erring? Are they the only Christians?

Now, let's talk about the bolded. What proof do you have to show that they got it right about a mighty spirit King ruling, and the 1914 reigning nonesense.