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budaatum:
Oh, you miss their point completely!

Since you refute the existence of their god, you must provide evidence that their god does not exist because the burden is on you, but before you begin, you must define the properties that constitutes their god that doesn't exist for them!

That is the entire premise of op's thread that he claims is not understood!

lol ez not a small something...

ScienceWatch:
Brilliant plan of action, I must admit.
You take the lead sir and define the God for us to disprove. Theists worldwide will love this.

The point I'm trying to make is the concept of God is impracticable to me. So you have to define the properties of what constitutes 'God' for you

winner01:
tintingz, johnydon22, superhumanist, cutemadridsta, hahn, gabe, DeSepiero, AnonyNymous and Budaatum can you attempt to answer the question johnydon asked.

Here's the question: What would serve as evidence for Gods existence to you?


Let's subject your evidences to test if indeed there are any

You'll have to define God before we proceed.

iupac120:
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Mr. Historian, the account of the Genesis unto Deuteronomy was written by Moses. Must you confused the young man with your atheist tendency! Jesus saves

lol, it's only attributed to Moses. Most Bible historians and scholars place the writing of the books during the Babylonian exile to the period of Persian rule between 6 - 5 BCE

first off, the story of Adam and Eve was told to make sense of the origin of mankind by the Jewish priests who wrote the Talmud, which is mostly the OT as we know it. Bible scholars agree most of the OT was written during the Babylonian exile by Jewish priests trying to explain the origin of their nation to their people through their religious training and experiences. Today we know evolution is responsible for the origin of our species.

The French team is an African team and has our automatic support

sorry bros, but that money don go sha. N1.2 billion could have yielded N120 million in Treasury bills every year. No sweat. Sure alert.

This hediot owes salary for a FULL year. Who can defend that kind of wickedness?

Abeg don't cause unnecessary problems for yourself. Religion makes rational people irrational. Someone once said 'good people do good deeds and evil people do evil deeds but for a good person to do evil? That takes religion'. A good normal lecturer might think he/she is doing the Lord's work by victimizing you, so as to change your mind and free you from 'demonic possession'. Atheism is not religion that mandates you to evangelize.

only one word. COWARD. It will follow you to the grave.

May I remind you health workers in this country that you have it good compared to your fellow workers. A fresh graduate in most ministries earn 55k as level 8. A fresh graduate who did the same course with the guy will earn like 90k at an equivalent grade. A medical doctor fresh from NYSC earns like 250k in federal hospitals. That's a level 17 director's salary. It will take you, a fellow university graduate 30 years in the ministry before you can earn that salary. Nowhere do you hear these doctors or JOHESU ask for well equipped hospitals, better training to better serve people only salaries, allowances etc. Please continue the 'good' work.

E-money, drug money...

guydangerous:
which phone.

Le S3 626

This is amazing

Smh this religious obsession with sex. If you ask religious people why they are against LGBT people, first thing that pops out is it's unnatural. Well, all species that have sex have homosexual individuals. ALL of them. What's unnatural is humans using religion to straitjacket everyone into a heterosexual category.

Thayay:
People of God make una help me oo. My phone have been restarting since two days now. The network will go off, then restarts itself.
Is there anything i can do before restoring the factory settings?

I have exactly the same problem

Please I need help. My phone takes ages to start and the network desappears frequently. When this happens, it hangs and reboots. And the rebooting is really slow. This drama started recently

Elon Musk problem never start. Wait till traditional auto makers figure out how to make cheap batteries. If he knows what's good for him, he should sell as many cars as possible now. They have decades of car manufacturing experience ahead of him.

The JOHESU CONHESS scale is already noticeably higher than the conventional civil service scale. Only scale that probably compares in the civil service is the federal universities scale. A worker deserves his due, but we must get rid of the notion that govt pay will make us rich. And no fvcking way johesu is getting the same pay grade as doctors. That's just ludicrous.

jide219:
no,maybe it's your phone, just finished downloading into the badlands

so frustrated right now...

Anyone else seeing access denied while trying to download from o2tvseries?

Butterflyleo:
You mean the same Darwin that said and I quote

" The whole idea of something so flawless could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”

Even he had no clue.

lol. So it wasn't possible for him to change his mind and postulate a theory verified by modern science? Scientists change their minds when faced with superior evidence, unlike some people I know�

winner01:
Just what are the evidences pointing away from a designer?

Please check Wikipedia for a 'list of scientific bodies explicitly rejecting intelligent design' for what the scientific community thinks about ID. Take your example. The human eye. Darwin postulated that an incomplete eye designed over time by natural selection confers an evolutionary advantage to its user and such examples should abound in nature. If eyes were perfectly, irreducibly designed, we expect to see only perfectly designed eyes in all organisms with eyes. Darwin was proved right by the presence of primitive eyes and light sensing organs in some organisms. The evolutionary history of the eye has also been traced using comparative genetics.

winner01:
You debunked it? Or the scientific fraternity of today?

*sigh* please read up on natural selection.

winner01:
I'm sorry I'm just following common sense as well as the direction where the evidence points.


If theres no way a 5mp Samsung camera can arise by chance, then a 574mp human eye is even out of the question. This eye that is out of the question is just a small part of a more complex machine. That destroys the question.

I know many designers exist in the world but I've never met them, I'm sure however that they exist. I'll like to meet the designer of my gionee android phone someday, more importantly, I'll like to try to know my own designer. This explains why religion has always and will always thrived throughout all generations of humanity. The need to know God.

Complexity as evidence for design has been debunked over and over, please google. Natural selection is the only designer with evidence to show for it. Again, google.

winner01:
You are so cocksure of all the heart does, you probably were with the designer while it was being created. Little wonder many atheists think the tail bone in humans is a result of bad design like they know what it was designed for

Well my point remains, Morality is innate, and this is more plausible because there seems to be some form of objective realism across the human species.

Even if I drink his sweat, what difference should it make to an atheist? I'm probably more productive to my society that many of you talkatives here

lol, there is no designer. Unless you're talking about natural selection...

winner01:
Any atheist that is honest enough to point out the significance of religion in society is obviously honest. You don't have to agree with religion to do that.

An eye for an eye concept is different from turning the other cheek as stated by dalaman, where was turning the other cheek also stolen from?

I ask you to post evidence here, so that others can learn. It will do no harm to give 4 or 5 similarities in the mosaic law and the Hammurabi code. It won't take more than 6 lines. You can do it.


Oh well, Komodo dragons feed on their young ones, mother bears, felines , canids etc have all been seen killing and eating their young ones.

While I was also a poultry farmer, on several occasions, I observed my hens sucking their own eggs and sometimes attacking their chicks.
Our species consider this immoral. Can we give reasons for these exemptions?


Touching story, can we get some evidence to this?

And you obviously didn't get where I earlier pointed out that the Christian argument for morality is that "morality is engraved in our hearts". Humans obviously don't need a Bible before they can be moral. The Bible however is our guide through a dangerous path in a world full of misery.

As true as this sounds, Can we get evidence to this? Or we must believe it without questioning it?



Like I said earlier " morality is engraved in our hearts" this explains why some non theists are more morally sound that some theists.

As expected, we are gullible, but you, you're not?

'Morality is ingraved in our hearts'. Really? An organ that has NOTHING to do with thought apart from blood supply? Surely you can do better. Engraved by whom? Which is more plausible: engravement of moral codes on the body's blood pumping organ or an evolving of rules to ensure the perpetuating of a species as evidenced by behaviour present in the many other species present in our midst? Lest I forget, your God demands you eat his body and drink his blood as often as possible to be a part of him. Not much different from komodo dragons and your chickens now eh?

Dankwambo. Brother was accountant general of the federation and on course to be 8 year governor without EFCC case. And he's 55. A #lazynigerianyoot like us...

winner01:
Can you give examples of the similarities between the mosaic laws and the Hammurabi code?

The argument from a religious point of view is that these moral laws are engraved in the hearts of all humans. Religious texts are simply reflecting the mind of God through his prophets. That aside, objective moral laws or values do not exist in the atheistic worldview.

This is quite significant as if this logic follows then it would not be possible to make objective moral claims; morality becomes relative. In other words, that one atheist thinks beating elderly people is a good thing because it provides him with entertainment such an act cannot be deemed to be objectively wrong by another atheist. Why? Simply because it’s one’s opinion against another. However, not all atheists view moral values as relative, but many do. The atheist activist and president of American Atheists David Silverman says:

“There is no objective moral standard. We are responsible for our own actions….” “The hard answer is it [moral decisions] is a matter of opinion”.

Atheist nihilist philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche would also claim that “When one gives up Christian belief one thereby deprives oneself of the right to Christian morality. For the latter is not self-evident… Christianity is a system”. Nietzsche would go on to see that if God does not exist then “everything is permitted”.

Arguably philosopher Julian Baggini captures this best: “If there is no single moral authority [i.e. if there is no God, then] we have to in some sense ‘create’ values for ourselves… that means that moral claims are not true or false in the same way as factual claims are… moral claims are judgments [that] it is always possible for someone to disagree with… without saying something that is factually false… you may disagree with me but you cannot say I have made a factual error”.


Philosopher Michael Ruse admits that morality is innate, he even tries to attribute our “sense” of morality to a byproduct of socio-biological evolution:

“In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to co-operate… Ethical codes work because they drive us to go against our selfish day to day impulses in favour of long-term group survival and harmony… Furthermore, the way our biology forces our ends is by making us think that there is an objective, higher code to which we are all subject… ethics is a shared illusion of the human race”.


Atheist Richard Taylor seems to think civil and societal laws are meaningless and that moral values and duties is only truly grounded in God: “to say that something is wrong because… it is forbidden by God, is…. perfectly understandable to anyone who believes in a law-giving God. But to say that something is wrong… even though no God exists to forbid it, is not understandable… The concept of moral obligation [is] unintelligible apart from the idea of God. The words remain but their meaning is gone”.


Its is usually refreshing to hear from honest atheists. Unfortunately, there are very VERY few honest atheists.

lol any atheist that agrees with religion is honest. The 'eye for an eye' concept in Mosaic law is straight out of the Hammurabi code. For more similarities, please use google. Our conceit as the 'superior' species doesn't allow us look at examples that abound in other species. Why do lions not rip themselves to pieces? how do bees refrain from stinging themselves to extinction? Intra species order have evolved simply because they ensure the survival of the species. Simple. A cat rescued it's 7 kittens from a burning building. Real life story. It didn't need biblical instructions to do that. In my area some years back, a dog fought off a pig that was about to eat an abandoned baby until people arrived to take the baby. Sacrificial, benevolent behaviour abound in nature. It just humans were gullible enough to attribute theirs to religion. And we know who profits from such gullibility.

His assertions make sense, until you realize the 10 commandments and many aspects of the mosiac law are similar to the babylonian​
Hummurabi code written centuries before it. Given that most of the old testament was written by priests during the babylonian exile, it's hard to ignore the connection. Also, Jesus's golden rule : do unto others what you want them to do to you was also mentioned word for word in sacred Hindu texts written centuries earlier. It points to one conclusion: no single religion can lay claim to the development of civil or societal laws. The similarities in these religious moral laws simply show they are
rules made by man to ensure peaceful coexistence of human societies. Religious association to these rules simply invented some higher 'spiritual' authority to ensure compliance. Cue in human gullibility and the opportunity for priests of different religious groups to fleece their flock and it's not hard to see why different religions have appropriated basic human civil behaviour.

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