manmustwac:

@gamine
did u really audition for the x factor? did actually perform in front of simon cowell?

YES!


Kidding! I auditioned for another music show though, got past the producers,
A single judge and some other criteria. When it got to the Final judges (the one they show on TV)
It didn't go down too well.

Let's just say I wasn't really serious about it and I had no entertainment factor, no 'story'.

It is sad that this is the emptiness that fills the heads of a major portion of the populace.
While i think our different culture and traditions are good, it is time for a new story.
The culture of being a Human Being, more specifically A Nigerian, should transcend all
this nothingness.
This Article make sense gannn.

komando.:

I think you are wrong.he is from the Core North.

This statement just triggered some childhood memory,
I think I was crying over the fact that i had one note, a N20 note that somebody dashed me,
while my sister got two N10 notes.

From that, someone proceeded to give us an education which led to Murtala Mohammed
and him being from Auchi (We were on our way to the village)
Good times! 

poweredcom:

Fela don talk am archbishop na miliki pope na enjoyment imam na gbaladun: na on G.O and pope life dey experience miracle and people are been told 2 pay tithe which is unscriptural and scam. men even if there is heaven or hell na pope and pastor go first go hell wat happened to our traditional belief:white man don nak una AFRICANS.
with bible, so dat if you ask people was Jesus black they will say NO while Jesus was from the tribe of the essens jews and thatw as why the pharisee hated him and that as why pilate wanted him dead and freed barnabas who is a big time culprit and he was a white hebrew,
see our jesus suffered racism and that is still repeating it self in todays worls, malcom x, martin luther king, mandela etc if a colored person speak truth they will be prosecuted

LoL, the song is playing in my head

What exactly would an extra seat do?
I must be really out of touch here

I think the question is of what benefit is this 'Education' (Wherever you get it) to Nigeria.
Like they say, the greatest asset of a nation is its manpower.

It doesn't matter how much ground Nigerians are breaking outside Nigeria,
The question is How does this feed back into the nation?

So far people have mentioned EVERYTHING that is wrong with our Educational system
and it is the truth. Our system doesn't allow for proper thinking and an actual education.
The environment is so anti-change it is ridiculous. still, this shouldn't be the begining and end of us.

The mini-research i had to do recently showed that Nigerians, have the same brain and capacity
to Innovate, the same natural aptitude for creativity. But what is going wrong?

As a people in Nigeria, we need to wake up, and stop the 'Follow' 'Follow' mentality
We are the biggest flock of sheep ever! Our greed is eating us deep.
Money!!, Money!!The Nigerian's religion
Our ancestors were ingenious, what is stopping us??

kalokalo:

I have noticed that Nigerians never ever want to be responsible for anything!!! Virtually every problem in this country is blamed on the government.  It has always baffled me why so called "educated people" cannot see our problems what what they really are: opportunities seeking solutions in the form of products or services. Nothing stops the average Nigerian to use his brain to innovate. I'm not surprised that some people are blaming the government for our failure to innovate!

We would keep pounding yam the same way until Oyibo man made pounding machine for us
We would keep fishing the same way until,
We would keep farming the same way using old backbreaking labor techniques until,
We would keep shelling egusi seeds the same way with our bare hands until,

All an unemployed youth/graduate needed to do is put his brain to work to create an egusi shelling machine for example and he would be a millionaire selling his product and create jobs That is how innovations are done in other places. But no, he is on the street looking for a bank job and blaming the government for his personal mental unproductiveness.

We never strive to make our lives better, or easier or more convenient by using our brains. It has nothing to do with education. Most of the world's inventions were invented in their day by men who comparatively are not as educated as the average Nigerian of today. We need thinkers not [b]intellectual sandbags parading themselves as educated.[/b]

Ciao

Gbam.

I don't understand the position of this man. It's hard to grasp what Becomrich0 is talking about.

Still, I don't see any reason to support Jonathan or any of those mentioned here.

Outstrip:

I disagree with yout list. Etsako should be a distinct language. There are many dialects of etsako itself. If you think that etsako is in a dialect of the language spoken in Benin then you are wrong o

Exactly.

I don't dispute that. (Being the beginning of the 'Oba' Monarchy)

I really enjoy reading these different accounts

The Edo cosmological account of the universe draws significantly from the Egyptian one. The Egyptian version, which later formed the basis of Genesis in the Bible, is that the universe was created from chaos and primaeval (or ancient) ocean. After a hill (called ta-tjenen) arose from the bottom of the ocean, a son-god (God´s child or baby god) called Atom, (which is the Sun without which life on earth is impossible), appeared on the land created by the hill. The son-god or Atom then created eight other gods, which together with himself made nine gods. These nine gods are presumed by modern science to be symbolized by the nine major planets of the universe.

The Edo version is that, in the beginning, Osanobua (God, Oghene-Osa, Tu-SoS), decided to populate the world so He asked His four sons in Erinmwin (Heaven), to choose whatever gift of nature each fancied. The oldest chose wealth, the next in age chose wisdom, the third chose mysticism (spiritual energy), and as the youngest was about to announce his choice, Owonwon (the Toucan) cried out to him to settle for a snail shell. This did not make sense to him but he settled for it all the same. The brothers laughed at his silly choice but Osanobua said it was a wise choice. That when they get to the middle of the water where He was sending them, the youngest son should turn his snail shell facing the water.

There was no land only water every where and the four sons were in a canoe, sailing, drifting, propelled by the power of eziza (wind). In the middle of the water stood a tree on top of which lived (Owonwon) the toucan. The importance of the emergence of the tree before man on earth is not lost on modern science, which recognizes that without the tree manufacturing oxygen, life on earth would have been impossible. Modern science has also confirmed the Edo cosmology that birds, insects etc preceded man to earth. The Edo myth of creation was earth based in scope.

When the children got to the middle of the water, the youngest son turned his snail shell upside down resulting in an explosion from the bottom of the water that forced volumes and volumes of sand to gush out of the water and fill up space around them for as far as the eyes could see. With the explosion, the four elements of creation, amen (water), eziza (air), arhen (fire) and oto (sand or land) were in place. Land was every where but the kids did not know what it was. They were afraid to climb out of the canoe to step on the land, so they sent the Chameleon to test its firmness. That is why the Chameleon walks with hesitation.

The youngest son of Osanobua was the only spirit out of the four sons who could have the physical human body attribute on stepping on the land, because that was the advantage of the physical or material choice he made. It was put in his hand from heaven. The other sons were deities. The youngest son, the ruler of the earth, represents innocence and so is susceptible to the powers of the deities, his brothers. These same weak and strong, good and evil, physical and spiritual, influences form the basic elements of all modern religions, with man endowed with the power to make choices.

Junior wanted his older spirit brothers to remain with him on his land. The oldest brother chose to take his spirit gift and live in what was left of the water. The other two brothers accepted junior´s invitation and deposited their spirit selves and gifts on the land as soon as they stepped on it from the canoe. Junior stepped on his land gingerly at first, then vigorously, stamping hard and repeatedly on it, running and rolling over it. He looked around and felt good and happy with his enormous gift. He called his land agbon (earth), and himself, Idu, meaning the first human on earth. He decided to walk around and explore the extent and nature of his gift. It had trees, shrubs, birds, animals, insects, which all came out of water with the land, and the land sprawled endlessly. After walking for a while pushing through shrubs; almost stepping on insects, ants and crawlers; talking to birds that appeared to be serenading him and animals that came close or ran from him, he was tired. He sat on the stump of a tree to rest, later lying on the ground to sleep.

While asleep, Osanobua came down with a chain from heaven, looked around to ensure that everything was in place, including the Sun and the Moon that were to regulate day and night and the seasons. When Idu woke up, he was excited to find himself in the presence of a huge, soothing illumination, surrounded by darkness. The earth was dark. He knew he was in the presence of the ´Almighty´ and did not want to look directly at the illumination. He went down humbly and quickly on his knees to thank Osanobua for the immense earth gift bestowed on him.

“You are happy then?” Osanobua asked Idu. “Very, very,” Idu said, adding humbly, “but I am hungry. I have not eaten since I arrived here? What do I do for food?” Osanobua said, “Stretch your hand up above your head; the sky would respond by coming close to your hand. Pluck what ever you need from the sky. Don´t pluck more than you need to eat to satisfy your hunger at any one time though.” ”I won´t, I won´t,” Idu said eagerly, stretching his right hand right away to pluck a mouthful of food from the sky. As he munched away happily, eyes and head rolling to show joy and satisfaction, he managed to mumble, “it tastes very nice, I love it.”

“What else do you need?” Osanobua asked Idu. “Dad, I could do with a human companion. I am lonely. My brothers are spirits and I can no longer relate with them,” Idu said. Osanobua said, “You are not flesh and blood alone. You are part spirit too. Your spirit brothers are not far away. Experience would teach you how to harness wisdom, one of your spirit brothers, which would teach you how to combine your physical and spiritual energies to cultivate wealth and spiritual fulfilment, your other two spirit brothers.”

Osanobua gave the oldest son control of the waters. The Edo call this son, Olokun (meaning the god of the waters). Olokun represents aspects of life such as good health, long life, good luck, prosperity and happiness, to which man may appeal through ritual purity. The other spirit sons were allowed the freedom to use their magical powers to balance out the negative and positive forces of nature. To shorten the process of acquiring spiritual wisdom, Osanobua strengthened the mystical energy with three new forces: Oguega, Ominigbon and Iha, to provide humans with spiritual guidance to differentiate rights from wrongs.

Osanobua then told Idu to take sand with both palms from the ground and stretch his hands close together in front of him. As soon as Idu did as he was told, Osanobua called forth a female person, pointing His staff where she appeared in front of Idu. “Whao,” Idu exclaimed on beholding the beautiful female person standing in front of him. She smiled happily and went down on her knees to greet Osanobua, looking at Idu who she also greeted. Idu held her hands in response and hugged her. Osanobua said, “she is Eteghohi (a woman) and you are Etebite, (a man). In marriage you would multiply to ensure there is no shortage of hands in the management of the earth´s resources.”

As Osanobua was making to leave, Idu politely asked: “what if we have other problems and want to reach our creator quickly?” Osanobua said, “you can individually live for up to five hundred years, but you can come to me at will through your individual spirit self, ehi, whose double is permanently with me in heaven. All you would need to do is climb the Alubode hill and you are with ehi in heaven, who would bring you to me.”

As Osanobua left to his abode where the earth, water, and the sky meet, darkness was lifted from the earth.

Life was sweet and easy and before long, Idu and his wife, Eteghohi, were making babies. As the years rolled by, generations of extended Idu´s family began to spread out in all directions, setting up communities, villages and towns. The different communities farthest from base spoke variations of Idu language and knew that they came from one common ancestor, Papa Idu, the ancestor of all mankind. Everything went well for thousands of years until one day when Emose, a pregnant woman, out of greed, cut more food than she needed to eat at once, from the sky. There was an immediate explosion and the sky began receding from human reach. Direct interaction with Osanobua from then on became difficult because humans could no longer walk in and out of heaven at will. Emose´s greed destroyed the age of innocence and brought into human affairs, two new spirits, Esun and Idodo, both representing obstacles humans must now overcome to reach heaven. Idodo is the spirit ´police´ that ensures that natural or divine laws are obeyed. Idodo seeks to ensure we repent and atone for our sins. Esun is the ´servant´ spirit or angel that takes genuine human pleas, performed in the purity of heart, before Osanobua.

Emose´s greed also brought a lot of suffering and pains to humans. Forests were soon depleted of their natural food supply, so humans began to toil hard clearing forests, burning bushes, tilling the land, planting, weeding, nurturing, threshing and harvesting. It was not easy. Before long, the lazy began to die like fowls in the desert. Farming activities began to take their toll on the ecological balance of the earth too, causing droughts, unpredictable seasons, and environmental degradation. The soil began to suffer and die from over use, yielding less and less food despite the use of excrement as manure, which in turn caused its peculiar illness, pains and deaths.

Two new spiritual forces of nature were now evident and critical to human survival. They were Uwu (death), the harbinger of death, and Ogi´uwu (the spirit of death), representing mourning, evil omen, and diseases. Ogi´uwu owns the blood of all living things. Uwu and Ogi´uwu were causing havoc among humans. Humans who could live before for ukpo iyisen-iyisen vb´ iyisen (five hundred years) at a stretch, were now dying prematurely. Death was ready to take life at any time, and Ogi´uwu was sending every one who disobeyed Osanobua (or nodiyi-Osa) to death, regardless of age.

To convince Idodo to prevail on Uwu and Ogi´uwu to temper justice with mercy and get Esun to take our pleas to Osanobua to control the forces, required the services of our own individual spirit called ´ehi.´ Ehi could no longer go directly to Osanobua because of Emose´s sin, except at the point before our birth. The Bini say there are two aspects of man. One half is ehi, which is the spirit essence, and the other half is the okpa, which is the physical person. Before birth, ehi, (the spirit essence) of the individual, humbly goes before Osanobua to request endorsement of the kind of life the individual would wish to live on earth (agbon). The request is obviously made with a baby´s sense of innocence about rights and wrongs, and the weight of the karmic debt and credit baggage of the individual from previous life cycles and styles. However, the choice of the new life style is patently and entirely the individual´s, and could be any of one or a combination of scenarios. The individual may want to be a powerful spiritualist, a rich business man or farmer, a great warrior or soldier, a happy or unhappy family man, a wimp or beggar, a revered medicine man, a famous chief, politician, or popular king, and even a notorious or very successful thief.

The request process is called ´hi´ and leads to Osanobua stamping his sacred staff on the floor to seal the wish. The approved secret wish is only known to ehi, who is entrusted with the responsibility of ensuring that his second half, okpa, (the physical human self), keeps to the promises made before Osanobua. Ehi is the spiritual counterpart of okpa in heaven. Half of ehi comes with okpa to earth to ensure permanent link with ehi in heaven. That half is called orhion. When okpa dies, orhion stays close to okpa until okpa is properly buried and all rites are completed. Orhion, cleansed of sins, returns to heaven to be one with ehi. Ehi and okpa may come back 7 times each, making a total of fourteen times in all. Each return, known as reincarnation, provides the opportunity to atone for the sins committed in previous life times. When cleansing is complete, ehi takes its proper place in Eguae Osanobua vb´ Erinmwin (heavenly paradise).

More at http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2315

^^ You don't have to recall, Just re-read

netsurf:

Hello,

Ifa Oracle explains in detail, the origin of the Yoruba's and their King. No matter what any scholar or historian says, the accounts according to Ifa oracle is incontrovertible.

Funny enough from my current research I have begun to see the importance of the Ifa Oracle, these things are really no joke.

I think I understand what the poster means.
But the topic seems quite harsh like women are some mechanical machine.

But I have seen situations where a jobless man has 'controlled' a woman
where an ex-convict has 'controlled' a woman.
These women would be the last to admit where this control lies, but they love it.

tpiah:

the facts speak otherwise.


in any case, different Edo groups have different histories.

all were united under Benin empire, hence the reason why they're all considered Edo today.

the direct official connection between Ife and Edo is through Benin, even though other groups also had prior contact with the southwest, through migration and the likes.

I don't think I ever implied there was no connection with the Yoruba and 'Edo's'

The only fact here, is that the 'Edo' DID NOT descend (by blood) from Oduduwa
or any Yorubic Lineage for that matter

@Chinenye N

ChinenyeN:

Gamine & Ezeagu, the reason why you two are even going back and forth like this is because you're electing to use the terms "language" and "dialect", which have specific non-linguistic connotations of their own. In reality, there is no difference between a "language" and a "dialect". That's why linguists are increasingly favoring the term "lect". In fact, linguists have this aphorism for "language" that says: a language is [nothing more than] a [dia]lect with an army and a navy (or something along those lines).

So, in the field of linguistics, no one speaks a "language", but everyone speaks a lect and the promotion of a lect to a "language" (or, the demotion a lect to a "dialect" is influenced by socio-political factors.

Take Yoruba for example. I hear that "Yoruba language" is based off Oyo, who had an empire over what we now know as "Yoruba territory" (if I'm not mistaking). The Oyo were the elites, and their empire influenced the rise of their dialect to the status of "language" (it's all socio-politics). Edo is in that same situation, I believe.**

Long story short, this discussion has its roots more in socio-politics than in linguistics. If it were solely based on linguistics, that list would then have to be more appropriately labelled as "distinct linguistic groupings" rather than "distinct languages".

Just my thoughts on the semantics of this discourse.

**Do correct me if I am wrong.

I understand what you mean though. My issue with the classification as posted on this thread
Is the claim that all those on the list are 'Distinct languages'

The Bini's have always held the ruling power therefore it would seem there was a distinct 'Edo'
language, while the others remain as 'dialects'

Its just normal Visa extension why are they acting like they
were living illegally and would face 'deportation' Media and sensation

The Cher ^^ girl, she was really nervous but she did make the best out of it

ezeagu:

The post is really easy to understand if you want to understand it. First off the list was never represented as a full list and there were no official count of languages in the first post, the post clearly states that the list below includes languages spoken by more than 50,000 people, more than 1 million people and 10 million people. Isn't it obvious that there may be languages that have less than 50,000 speakers and were therefore left off the list? Where in the post was the list represented as languages that are "higher than the other"? What is a better reliable source, a poster from nairaland, or a well sourced website?

What do your people speak, and is it a distinct language?

''There are less than 70 languages in Nigeria'' and you posted 60.
It's like you don't understand what YOU wrote.

There is a clear difference between 'Distinct' and 'Dialects' from your post. obviously
the Distinct languages are the source of the dialects, thereby making them 'higher'

Why don't you leave the website to do the explanation and stop misleading people.
For example you commented on someone's post that Esan is a dialect (which you decided to ignore)
I've gone to the site, and it bears no resemblance to your post.


As you would have noticed, I'm only concerned about particular languages because
i believe I have more knowledge than you do on them.

Well another research says
Beautiful people tend to have girls
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article694620.ece

There could be a correlation.

Perhaps they attract other members of the opposite sex so often
there's a higher chance of cheating on each other which then leads to Divorce.


M.A.S.S

Don't deceive yourself please.

I just had to laugh.

At poster, as others have said, you would have to join an NGO or Charity.
You could also set up something for yourself.

Maybe because Marriage means nothing?
Maybe because the man is a party to it?
Maybe because it is 'true love'

I'm checking out the guys blog!
smooth fine boys

Yeah MC, I do see you in that ^^
lol

This is a good one.
But as usual the thread has turned to something else.

@topic,
Beats me cause I'm not 'datable' material.
I cannot be forced into that box, unfortunately for them.

If Esan is a dialect, Edo (what you suggest on your list) is a dialect too.

Is the number of people speaking a language (>1million) what qualifies it as a 'distinct' language?
Edo (What the Bini speak) is the most widely spoken of the Edoid, that doesn't place it higher than the others
I really do not like these kind of misleading posts.
How many people in present day Edo state speak this?
My people, do not, they only pick it up because they go to live in the 'city'

Well, What can I expect from Google-Education.

Sigh

B.L: It's either the classification system is wrong or the list is incomplete

chyz:

Edo is used to describe a people in that region.It is not a language. With in edo state there are the esa, bini, igarra, igbanke,etc. they each speak their own distinct language.

Who are you addressing?

Conditioning.

People need to wake up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBH_e519uY&feature=player_embedded

ezeagu:

Bini people are Edo people who speak a dialect of Edo, and it's quite modern.

Well you contradict yourself, If Bini speak a dialect of 'Edo', Where does Yekhee for example come from?
Yekhee will be a dialect of Edo too, so what's it doing on the list

Let me clarify for you,

Bini people are in Edo state, they speak Edo which is under a larger group, the Edoid family.

Also, the Edoid group (this is what you suggest is in your list) has way more than 1million speakers

chyz:

That was a dum.b azz analogy,tighten up

Well I'm happy you are happy.

ezeagu:

Well actually you're wrong because most of those languages are distinct and are not based on broad classifications, unless you can prove that every language on this earth can be understood by everyone.

I didn't say they aren't, I was trying to butress the fact that these languages, however distinct have a parent body.

[Quote] And you're sure about that? The 1 million are right there in Benin City, and the rest are spread about in what is now Edo State.
[/quote]

You have to make a clear distinct between Edo as Bini, and Edo state.
You can't put up 'Edo' as a parent language, that's why I said 'Edo' does not exist.
the language the Bini's speak, is under the Edoid group.
If you are listing Edo here, where are the others from the group??

abadaba:

Iidiot, it is a bad attitude for a harlott like you to come up with an analogy in the bolded.

lmao!

What language are the words in the bolded

HAHAHA

jeezeus!

.---------------------------------------------------------------------------

JeSoul:

@Gamine, you are missed sister . How are all my neighbors doing these days?

We are all very well, we thank papa God o.
Some even dey your side now, not permanently though.
I trust you guys are good too.
cheers! before i cause further derailment

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well I have gone for an audition, so i know to an extent how these things are.

Even the cry of victory after they get the ticket in American Idol for example,

pure acting. lmao!

Nice