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MizMyColi:Stick to the topic. All your personalised writing does nothing for me. |
Truckpusher:Yes i am a "paid goon" and proud of it. Still, how does that invalidate the points I have made? You talk of APC acting bigger than Nigeria and mention the true yearnings for the rule of law,equity, justice, and fairness? Firstly, this is intra-party misconduct being punished. No pragamtic person who understand politics, in its broad range of applications, will feel the APC has acted bigger than Nigeria at all. That Party is fully within its right to punish what Saraki did for the sake of Party dsicpipline. As I have said before, what else should Saraki and others get away with while the Party continue to look foolishly as it is undermined and perhaps even destroyed by its lawless members? Secondly it is Saraki that shows he does not understand justice, fairness and equity. How can he 'sell' the position of DSP to the PDP that was the right of the APC to gain, vai legislative majority, because of the desperation to become Senate President? Saraki showed he preferred to undermine the APC and damn the consequences rather than attempt to negotiate with the Party. The president even tried to intervene yet Saraki was busy organising his palace coup. On many level, Saraki deserves intra-party sanction even if you do not see or understand this. you are anti-Buhari and anti-APC. you do not appear objective to me and seem only interested in insulting others. i therefore do not expect you to understand my viewpoint which is supported by many in the APC as virtually the official stance of the party. http://olatundeoshomo..co.uk/2015/06/senate-president-bukola-saraki-will-be.html Senate President Bukola Saraki Will Be Punished – APC |
Firefire:If anything, i think I have succeeded to show you GEJ and PDP fans are merely sentimental and nothing else. how did you conclude the above when you have not even given me the chance to "defend those two points" as you claim? It simply means you all prejudge others in advance and are only prepared to work with your preconceived bias against others here instead of engaging them productively. You guys all love sentimental arguments which totally blinds you to what others are saying. Goodluck with that outlook and approach. |
SeverusSnape:I have answered comprehensively. I am always consistent with my position of politics. Go back and check to see I wished Ribadu well when he defected to the PDP even as I felt it was the wrong move. We may not be on the same side but talking to each other with mutual respect is always best. Anyway, I am not concerned with your 'spin doctor' quip as it is your opinion that you are entitled to. |
anonimi:This is the mistake I made even responding to you. I forget that petty insults, childlike behaviour and uncouth behaviour is what your conduct eventually and inevitably degenerate into once you cannot factually counter what others write. You asked two questions. I answered them comprehensively and insult is your only response. I think the clever guys will now see that you are immature and was not really looking for answers to the questions you asked. You just wanted the chance to engage and insult others regardless of what they say. I won't make the mistake of responding to anything else you say. Good day to you. |
anonimi:Once again, another open show of sentiment and uncouthness. (1) My point is that treachery against Party will not be tolerated in the UK or indeed anywhere worldwide. The circumstance do not have to be exactly the same as Saraki's situation because the Uk practices the parliamentary system. Yet the central point is that Saraki betrayed and embarrassed his Party. You are trying to be clever by half when you talks of "because he exercised his constitutional right to contest for an office".Does that "constitutional right" include deliberate machination to make the PDP gain the deputy Senate President as reward for helping Saraki become Senate President? How difficult is it for you to understand that Saraki conspired against his own Party and cost them an important position? Instead you think you can hide beyond the "constitutional right" excuse when this is about Saraki putting his interest ahead of that of the Party and empowering an opposition political Party. My point is that this would not be allowed in the UK or anywhere else in the world. If you do not get this simple concept then that is your problem. (2) More show of sentiments. I support the APC and not the PDP. Anything that weakens the PDP, as long as it is not illegal, is fine in my opinion. It is not my place to be worrying about the PDP same as, unlike you, I would not sentimentally hold anything against any PDP fan who celebrates the defection of an important APC leader to the PDP. Me and you are different like that. Also I need to point out to you that this has nothing to do with defection. Tambuwal did not conspire to help the then ACN gain the deputy speaker position. Let Saraki defect to the PDP today and I would have no issues with it because I know politics is about permanent interest unlike you who is sentimental about everything to the extent you cannot see that defection is part of Party politics yet treachery against your own political Party is not. If Tambuwal committed similar act of treachery against the PDP and insisted on remaining in the same PDP he has publicly humiliated and undermined then I would understand if the PDP, even as I do not like the party, decide to nail him. As simple as that yet the sentimental outlook will not allow you and others to see what is so obvious. Saraki should simply join the PDP. He undermined and embarrassed the APC - his own Party - yet he insist on carrying on as an APC Senate President. Why not defect like Tambuwal did since the APC has now decided his position is no longer tenable? He also helped the PDP produce the DSP. The APC have understandably decided not to take it lying down and have decided to nail him. How is this hard for you and others to understand? |
Truckpusher:My friend, I will ignore your insults as I think that is just your way of relating to others. Followers of politics in Nigeria, and even on nairaland, are mainly sentimental or pragmatic. I consider myself pragmatic. You and many others here are clearly sentimental. This is why you cannot grasp the simple concept that Saraki cannot be allowed to get away with what he did because of the wider implication for the APC and the leadership of buhari. What next should the APC expect from Saraki, who has shown he embraces destructive treachery to get his selfish way, and his PDP buddies? Attempt to impeach Buhari or a deliberate effort to undermine all bills the executive submit which can reform our nation? The Party is bigger than Saraki. It is unforgivable that Saraki 'gifted' the PDP the position of DSP because of his selfish ambition. He showed, there and then, he is a man capable of anything. You are simply asking the APC and Buhari to persevere with an 'enemy within' and the President will not accept this. Rightfully so. Aside his corrupt mien and ineptitude, this is part of what brought GEJ down. |
anonimi:Even in the UK and the USA, the political 'knife' always comes out for Party members who do similar to Saraki. The difference is that politicians over there resign when they know they have erred and the Party has tacitly decided that their position is no longer tenable. In Nigeria, where politician are shameless and unprincipled, you know this will not happen. How then do you expect the APC and Buhari to concede defeat to Saraki and accept a PDP deputy Senate president? If you too think of things dispassionately then you will accept the APC and Buhari must not show that sort of weakness. That will be damaging home and abroad for the APC and the President because the APC will be seen as highly indisciplined and highly susceptible to political brigandage while Buhari will be viewed as weak. This was what happened to GEJ, i.e he showed weakness and indecisive leadership everywhere and made it clear he was susceptible to political blackmail, to the extent he was not respected by many home and abroad. The point is that the APC fought hard to gain the majority in the house. They had the right to expect to produce Senate President and DSP comfortably. Saraki rubbished that right and threw his Party under the bus for personal selfish ambition. the consequences of allowing him to get away with that will be grave and far-reaching for the APC and buhari's leadership. If you put sentiment aside you would see that this is precisely what would happen worldwide to a politician who knows his Party has decided his position is no longer tenable yet will not step down. |
chukwudi44:I have commented on that already. Gbawe: |
Truckpusher:You are just an unnecessarily angry and foul-mouthed nuisance with nothing to contribute here but insult against others. This forum is essentially an opinion board. Give your own opinion on issues and stop trying to harass other posters with your petty insult, baseless accusations and lies. I don't even know why the mods allow you to accuse others you have never met of being "paid". Who does that other than dishonest people happy to accuse or malign other over with baseless lies they cannot prove? It simply shows others have gotten under your skin and this is why you are prepared to attack them with silly lies. I only pity you. |
Firefire:Continue with your show of naivete. As if Saraki would be allowed to get away with what he did anywhere else in the world even in so-called advanced democracies. So Buhari should watch idly as unscrupulous politicians like Saraki get away with undermining the APC because of selfish personal ambition? This is one of what led to the downfall of GEJ and the PDP. No Party discipline whatsoever with a weak president to boot as well who watched will members did as they pleased. I know many Nigerians are vested in a culture of impunity where people get away with doing the wrong things but I back Buhari if he insist wrongdoing must be punished. Call it vendetta or whatever you want but I see it as punishment meted out for gross misconduct and treachery. You should show me one example in the world where a Party has the clear legislative majority to produce the leaders of the upper house yet the treacherous machination of one of the Party leader led to the opposition gaining the position of deputy senate President it had no right or might to gain. The consequences of letting Saraki get away with his action will be far-reaching and very damaging for the APC even if sentiments will not allow you to see that. This aspect of political power play is a legitimate part of politics worldwide. |
Dmano:Can't you guys shun sentiments to see and note what is obvious? Saraki is not being investigated as a former Governor. He is being dealt with as a politician who declared war on his own Party in 2015 and under Buhari's watch. Saraki helped the PDP gain a DSP and divided the APC horribly at a time the Party needed unity because it was newly sworn-in. Saraki's Machiavellian sins and treachery are many and it is the prerogative of the APC to decide he must be taken down so that the sort of politics Saraki played, very much the PDP way, does not come to typify and destroy the APC !!! Has buhari gone after Gbenga Daniel or Alao Akala? Do you see him grappling with Danjuma or Igbinedion? Saraki committed an unforgivable sin against his Party and what is happening now is what would happen in all nations of the world. I.e the Party, once it is decided his position is no longer tenable, would use anything , as long as it is legit, to nail him. In Nigeria politicians never resign no matter how untenable their position becomes so the party is left with no choice but to do what we are seeing. I very much back this as I strongly feel discipline must return to party politics in Nigeria. Imagine an APC Senate President and PDP deputy senate president, all because of the machinations of Saraki, when the APC has the clear majority to gain the Senate Presidency and deputy Senate Presidency comfortably. Where do you people see this happening in the world? You say you want change yet you cannot understand this change must come at all level to include intra-Party cleansing of the likes of Saraki who will jeopardise the chance of the APC delivery progress for Nigeria for the sake of their private ambition. The APC should not accept Saraki's act of indiscipline and treachery. He should be dealt with and that is what is happening so it is pointless for you guys to be mentioning Tinubu or insinuating this is selective witch hunting. Saraki is paying for recent sins. |
3rdlegxxx:Nigerians can be very stubborn. You keep mentioning Tinubu, OBJ, IBB et al yet Buhari made it crystal clear (see my article above) he will not go after those leaders and Nigerians still voted for him meaning that many agree that it is future Buhari should focus on and not pointless, expensive and time-consuming witch hunts. for GEJ it is about asset and loot recovery. For Saraki it is a political fight after the Senate President declared war on his own Party. Saraki has fallen victim to the "line in the sand" after May 2015 vow. Let him face his problems and you guys should leave others alone. they were all warned. If they behave then Buhari has no time for them. If they misbehave today or in future then they should be ready for the consequences of their action. Buhari could not have been clearer with this warning he gave consistently before gaining power. I don't know why you and others are now insinuating political bias or selective witch hunting. Do you see Buhari going after Anenih, IBB, Danjuma or other PDP politicians? So what is the point mentioning Tinubu as if you have not been told him and others have nothing to fear if they are not stepping out of line post May 2015? |
Firefire:Firstly, Saraki's trial is political and he deserves it in my opinion. his trial is in order. for his recent act of treachery against his Party when buhari had warned, while the saga was ongoing, that no one should put their own personal interest ahead of that of the party. that is precisely what Saraki went on to do. he even helped the PDP to gain the DSP position. What then did the APC fight for power for if their own so called leaders will be helping the opposition gain positions they have no right or might to even vie for? Secondly, unless you missed it because you conveniently wanted to, Buhari will not go after Tinubu, IBB, Danjuma, OBJ or any other politicians that was not active in the GEJ government. Buhari made it clear he would go after the GEJ Government for asset/loot recovery, since a lot was stolen from Nigeria by the immediate past government. Yet Buhari also made it very clear he would not waste time or resources going after past leaders who refrain from political misconduct after he is sworn in as President. Buhari said and I quote " a line will be drawn in the sand after I take over". If past leaders do not cross this line then then they will have no issues with a president who is mainly interested in developing Nigeria and not jailing everyone. Even if Tinubu is the biggest crook in Nigeria then you will agree he falls under the category of those who enjoy the political moratorium Buhari clearly and unambiguously declared long before he was sworn in. You can feign ignorance all you want but our President has made it clear he will not be going after Tinubu, OBJ, IBB et al so I would suggest you stop wasting your breathe. Saraki's trial is for what he did after the line was drawn in the sand. Saraki declared war on his Party and embarrassed Buahri and the APC. Let him now face the punishment the Party deems suitable for him. If that punishment is for him to lose his job and go to jail then so be it. If Buhari and the APC do not deal with Saraki then the APC will quickly become the PDP where strong men were allowed to destroy the PArty with selfish and self-centred action. I always argue factually so see the article below from 2014 to note the truth of what I am saying. Hopefully you will then spare us the noise about Tinubu, Azikiwe, Abacha, Danjuma, Awolowo et al. http://dailypost.ng/2014/12/30/apc-chairman-says-corrupt-nigerians-afraid-buhari-presidency/ APC Chairman says corrupt Nigerians are afraid of Buhari presidency |
cabaliciouscabal:Indeed. When has it become the duty of Buhari to investigate a man who left office in 2007 as Governor of a Nigerian State? Tinubu never worked at federal level so why should Buhari investigate him? It is Fashola, who took over from Tinubu, who should have investigated Jagaban if indeed there was anything to investigate. Even now, Buhari has no business investigating Fashola. That is left for Ambode to do. It is the same as Fayose is investigating Fayemi currently and Wike is probing Amaechi. That is how it is done yet sentiment always seem to gain the upper hand in the minds of PDP/GEJ fans. |
Firefire:your diversionary antics show that you have no sensible argument to proffer here. I have made my point which I am sure even sensible fans of GEJ and the PDP will appreciate. |
Demdem:Opportunistic indeed. I don't get how fans of GEJ think. Why should they ask Buhari to investigate everyone from 1945 to date when that is not feasible and not the protocol norm? Each Government must investigate the government it has directly taken over from if there are signs of misrule. They inanely expect and demand Buhari must do what GEJ and Yar Adua failed to do. It does not work that way abeg. that is why I always say GEJ/PDP fans are very sentimental. Few of them ever reason practically |
Firefire:Unlike you, I am well-versed in affairs of governance and don't come here daily to suggest things that are illogical and not feasible. Also the progress of Nigeria is what is paramount on my mind and not partisan squabbles because of political bias. Why then should I join you to ask inanely for investigation of looters dating back to 1952? How far back do you want Buhari to go if you irresponsibly want to put the onus on him to investigate everyone? Why did those before him not investigate their predecessors? Oh I forget Yar Adua could not investigate the man who put him in power (OBJ) and your precious GEJ was busy pardoning political crooks and sending them back into politics so they can loot round two !!!! You guys should stop deceiving yourselves. You cannot demand Buhari should now do what Yar Adua and GEJ failled to do. My friend, Buhari will investigate the GEJ government because that is what is feasible and that is what protocol demands. |
Firefire:I wonder why you guys come here daily to talk like this. How can it be possible to investigate every looter since 1999? that would turn Nigeria into a giant court, spending vast income investigating many thousands of people, and Buhari into a judge rather than a President who should be bsuy working for Nigeria. What is practical and consistent with leadership protocol is for every government to investigate the government it has directly taken over from. OBJ, to an extent, did this against Abacha. Yar adau and GEJ were not interested for obvious reasons. It is Buhari's prerogative and the right thing for him to investigate GEJ's government alone . Blame others, like the utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt GEJ you support passionately, for not doing their patriotic duty. Do not put the failings and dereliction of GEJ and other on Buhari hypocritically. |
bmxshop:It is not propaganda. This is how the PDP similarly sabotaged our refineries so that fuel could be imported. This then gave them the opportunities to create a sophisticated system of scamming Nigeria of billions of dollars. Ever wondered why not even a single fuel-subsidy scammer was convicted under GEJ despite the fact it is very easy to reconcile invoices and prove their guilt? The answer is that GEJ and Allison-Madueke are the bosses behind the scam. The likes of Ifeanyi ubah and Otedola are simply their 'street-level' minions and underlings. Good and progress-seeking Nigerians should thank God GEJ and the PDP have vacated the centre. Look at the agents of GEJ and Allison-madueke laughing and strutting in court safe in the knowledge that 'nothing dey shele. Oga at the top will make sure of that'. https://www.nairaland.com/1067954/pictures-arraigned-suspects-fuel-subsidy https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2012/GEORGE%20OGBONNA%20OF%20DOWNSTREAM%20ENERGY%20SOURCES%20LTD%20005.JPG?1349472899 https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2012/BANKOLE%20BIODUN%C2%AD%C2%AD%C2%AD__MD%20%28ABS%29%20INVESTMENT%20LTD%20014.JPG?1349472898 https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2012/HON.SAMUEL%20ARO%20BAMIDELE%20015.JPG?1349472899 |
philips70:Don't mind Firefire. Partisanship and bias has eaten deep into his thinking. GEJ singularly created the worst culture, since Nigeria gained independence, of brazen and callous looting of State coffers. Every criminal-minded Nigerian was encouraged to steal openly and brazenly safe in the knowledge no prosecution or punishment awaits them. NNPC became a slush fund for them and billions of dollars where looted everywhere with scams against Nigeria becoming the order of the day. A man is jailed for abusing his political office (Alams) and you pardon him to then send him back into that office. Where is that done worldwide? That singular act is a perfect example of how morally bankrupt and highly corrupt GEJ is. To be honest, the vociferous fans of GEJ who wanted him to continue beyond 2015, like Firefire, should really remain silent when discussions are held about Buhari fighting corruption. They have no mouth to talk after fighting for the demonically corrupt GEJ to carry on as President. |
Firefire:Because Firefire of Nairaland says so ? We dey laugh. When will you begin to call for the investigation of GEJ and the many thousands him and Allison-Madueke made billionaires at Nigeria's expense? You guys are really funny. |
stickncarrot:What you guys must learn to accept is that Nigeria is currently in an economic state of emergency because of the serious damage GEJ and the PDP have done to our economy and falling oil price which has effectively reduced national income to around a third of what it was before Buhari became President. If it is under such conditions you want to see 'Rambo' leadership then I urge you to take a lesson from other nation that repaired decimated economies. For where we are, Buhari first has to take stock carefully and then initiate reform that means Nigeria can manage her activities and people in a very austere period. In other words Buhari must first steady the ship and it is after this we will begin to see growth and development. For example, if federal road were a mess when we sold oil at $110.00 per barrel, you will certainly not see beautiful highways being built everywhere today with oil at $44.00 per barrel. The point is that Buhari must first manage a period of economic austerity, where we have far less to spend as a nation, to then usher in a period of the type of growth and development Nigerians want to see. Such is impossible now and until we repair and diversify our economy plus reverse the rot the PDP created everywhere. |
tammie24:Are you serious? Let me give you 5 important examples. (1) What did GEJ and the PDP do, over 16 years, to make the Nigerian economy robust by moving it away from a dependence on oil? Absolutely nada. Jonathan and the PDP, despite 16 years in power, only paid lip service to this concept (2) What did GEJ and the PDP do to develop the SME (small to medium enterprise) over the 16 years the PDP has cumulatively been in power considering how important the SME sector is to economic growth, government earnings via income tax, middle class strength, employment et al? (3) What rainy day savings and buffers did GEJ did GEJ set aside when he controlled an economy where oil sold at over $100.00 per barrel for almost the five years he was in power? Now that oil is circa $44.00 per barrel, the income shortfall is very serious and capable of crippling government activities and recurrent/capital spending. Any recession arising from this is directly GEJ's fault because we all know that "those who fail to plan are planning to fail". (4) Why did GEJ embrace the sort of brazen and unconscionable corruption that has now bankrupted Nigeria? (5) What of the institutional decay GEJ supervised which means that the likes of the Army, DSS, NPF et al are morbid jokes with how they are now glorified and partisan arms of the PDP? You want me to go on? i don't know why some of you support others blindly like this even when their misconduct is crystal clear and factually easy to prove. GEJ effed-up seriously, because he was placed far above his station. Let us at least minimally admit this reality, if nothing else, and move on. |
tammie24:This is how one can tell a GEJ and PDP fan. No one is 'comparing' to GEJ . It only seems that way to you because you simply want us to forget the great damage GEJ and the PDP has done so all attention moves away from GEJ, who would be executed in China, and on to Buhari who has to turn around a level of mess 99% of world leaders would not have to face. Articles like this are factual representations of how badly Nigeria was run in the past and how things are now being done differently to repair the damage done. The obvious purpose of these revelations is to make Nigerians appreciate what destroyed Nigeria and what is now being done to turn things around. It is those of you who back GEJ and the PDP blindly who get irritable when their mischief, looting and misrule is highlighted. |
warrior01:Who is responsible for Nigerians "crying" if not the President your sort worshipped clannishly and ethnocentrically? A bit like shouting at the doctor trying to treat the rape victim while you supported the rapist to commit the crime in the first place. GEJ and the PDP are responsible for 99.9% of the problems Buhari and the APC are trying to deliver solutions for. A God-fearing and honest person will admit that instead of trying to blame Buhari for problems the looting, mindless corruption and total ineptitude of GEJ and the PDP caused. |
amerlin:Not my mistake. It is the mistake of the editor of the article. I noted the mistake as well. If I edited it then I can no longer say in all honesty that I 'quoted' a source because I have edited the article. |
alexlee50:Man mi, let us learn to criticise honestly and constructively. Do you know what the UN General assembly is primarily convened for? It is not a business or trade symposium. If you don't appreciate this fundamental notion then it means you are biased against the Buhari Government and that is why you can suggest he should be travelling to a UN general assembly meeting with businessmen. It is your fundamental misunderstanding of what the UN general assembly does, perhaps coupled with bias against the Buhari government, that makes you think our NSA, Major General Monguno (Rtd), should be replaced with Otedola, Dangote or Elumelu. http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/rolega.shtml Role of the General Assembly |
ShowYourCertificate:Bruv, I am not a fan of the Ministerial delay either. Nonetheless I trust Buhari completely and I am sure he will do his best for Nigerians always. With this in mind I am sure the delay is in order and not something Buhari has embraced because he is "incompetent" or "slow". What I have heard is that Buhari is not only concerned with competence but that he wants a team that can work well together to deliver. Buhari wants 'team players'. That is very important. Most successful modern companies would not hire you, however individually brilliant you are, if you cannot work well as part of a team. You may have ten Ronaldo-style players in one team but the team may be useless if they are all egotistical and cannot work together. Baba will get it right. I am sure of that. |
rusher14:What a lovely, articulate and intelligent post. I have to say posters like you are rare around here. What you said about how we could have done with the prudent, disciplined and ascetic Buhari four years ago, so he could have transformed Nigeria in an oil boom period, is solid gold. I doff my hat to you because you write in a way that shows you are one of those who truly know what is going on. One chap above said the economy has never been this bad, as if this is Buhari's fault, but he conveniently forget Jonathan and the PDP, over 16 years, got us here mainly by (1) gross corruption and looting of State coffers which seriously impoverished Nigeria (2) total neglect of the SME sector which is the lifeblood of the biggest and best economies worldwide (3) failure to diversify the Nigerian economy so it would be robust and not completely susceptible to falling oil price (4) the highly irresponsible failure to put buffers and rainy day savings in place throughout a 5 year presidency where oil sold consistently at over $100.00 per barrel compared to today when oil is selling for $44.76 per barrel (5) institutional decay which GEJ took perverse joy in supervising (6) alarming leadership irresponsibility, corruption and incompetence which allowed insecurity/terrorism to grow to be the norm in Nigeria (infrastructural neglect etc, etc, etc, etc. To be honest Nigerians should pity Buhari and the tasks he faces. I don't think I need to tell intelligent and informed posters what the fate of GEJ would be if he were Chinese. |
Joyekpen:Even if Ministers were in place then how many will travel with Buhari? All of them or a few relevant ones which many be as little as 2-3? |
alexlee50:No one is making out Buhari is a saint yet it is very important important reforms and changes his government carry out are highlighted. For the fact that Buhari is leading by example other leaders will be encouraged to cut waste also. |
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