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PastorAIO:
What is Natural family planning? Can you give me some examples of it's practices?

EDIT: Okay, I've just had to google it. it's about watching the menstrual cycle abi?

yes. It is based on observation of the naturally occurring signs and symptoms of the fertile and infertile phases of a woman's menstrual cycle and abstaining when she's fertile.

PastorAIO:
the only thing that comes to mind for me is Onanism, but the church already condemns that.
Sorry, I'm not a rocket scientist. Ultimately you've contributed nothing if you can't explain what you mean.

I want to believe catholism encourages natural family planning. Maybe that's what salc was referring to.

PastorAIO:
That is the only verse that I am aware that puts it like that.

I'll look into your thread later. Sorry, for the delay.

Thanks

PastorAIO:
Nothing existed before the sacrifice of Christ. It is the very foundation of the world, I would say. Though the bible puts it differently.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:8

Hmmm
Very enlightening, are there other passages that supports this ?

You aren't saying anything on my thread . why?

PastorAIO:
Yeah, actually the OP misses the point of the scripture he is quoting, it seems. The sacrifice been spoken of is not doing church activities but rather ritual sacrifices (Mizzabah), such as is done for the forgiveness of sins.



Great question. Please permit me to answer with another question.

Is it possible to be obedient without the sacrifice of Christ?

I like to believe there were people who were obedient before the sacrifice of Christ. Abraham, Noah, etc

PastorAIO:
I don't see any sarcasm here. Could you kindly point it out to me? Thanks.

The passage referred to God not been delighted in sacrifices but we have passages where God asked for sacrifices. I remember following you to a thread that talked about Gods annoyance at Can's unpleasant sacrifice and was happy with that of Abel.

PastorAIO:
I beg your pardon. I thought you were familiar with the hebrews passages, that's why I only quoted one verse.

Here is the wider context:

22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


We are discussing efficacy of the ritual of Sacrifice as opposed to the acts of doing God's will. Yes or no?

We are told that the sacrifice for the remission of sins in the OT was but a copy of the real sacrifice of Christ. yes or no?

So let's go very slowly …. the sacrifice being spoken about is a representation/copy of Christ's sacrifice…… in comparing sacrifice to obedience ultimately we are comparing relying on christ's sacrifice to obedience to god's will. Are you following?



I don't get why you're confusing yourself with the irrelevant issue of 'One vs another'. Jesus' sacrifice is for the Sinner. Yes or no?

The Passage in Amos, Samuel, Proverbs etc etc etc (there are many more such passages all over the OT) is referring to the same sinner. yes or no?

The sinner is told to Obey, without which no sacrifice can help him. yes or no?

There is no 'one vs another' separation. Unless you want to say Jesus' sacrifice was only for Jesus and has nothing to do with the sinner who is being urged to obedience.



The sacrifice is and always has been for the Sinner and for the remission of his sins. Who is making the sacrifice?
In the OT it is the High priest.
In Hebrews it is Jesus himself.

Amos doesn't say that the High priest's sacrifice doesn't work because it needs to be buttressed by obedience while jesus' sacrifice can work whether or not you're an unrepentant scumbag of a sinner. I didn't see that anywhere in the bible. But if you try to squeeze that in I'll be very interested in observing the intellectual leaps and somersaults that it would require. Please go ahead and entertain us.



If Obedience and sacrifice are the same thing then what do you think Amos smoked before he made the dichotomy?

I see what you mean now. I like to believe there are sacrifices we make by ourselves for ourselves and there are sacrifices we make make for the sake of others. For example, if I decide to eat only one meal a day just so I can save to buy a shoe as against if I eat a meal a day just so that a friend can also have what to eat. The examples of sacrifice mentioned in the OP seemed to relate more with the former. I get that the passages you quoted did not distinguish between the two. My question now is this,
Would our obedience amount to anything without the sacrifice of Christ?

PastorAIO:
I think there are some fundamental things that are been overlooked here.

Let us break it down as simply as possible.

If you want forgive of sins and reconciliation with God you have to make sacrifice, yes?

Hebrews 9:22
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

In the days of old you sacrifice a beast or whatever for remission of sins.

1Samuel 15:22 tells us
And Samuel said, “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice


Proverbs 21:3 says the same thing.

Psalm 51:16 is even more damning. It says God has no delight at all from sacrifices.

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.




Okay. Now that we've established that let us move forward to the new testament where we are told that Jesus' death takes the place of these same sacrifices that God despises so.

On account of this sacrifice which is supposedly the sacrifice to end all sacrifices christians claim to be free of the penalties for their sins. They are reconciled to God on account of this sacrifice of Jesus. Abi?

Furthermore there is no actual change in the conduct of these christians. Far from it, they are the vilest of nastiest of sinners. They lie constantly as you can see all over nairaland, they steal as you can see all over nigeria, and they commit all manner of vile atrocities. yet they believe themselves to be right with God on account of the sacrifice of Jesus.
That Sacrifice of Jesus is for the remission of Human sins, remember? Not for Jesus' sin o. For the sins of you and me. Instead of us killing cow, Jesus has been killed. So the sacrifice of Jesus is NOT someone else's sacrifice. It is the sacrifice made for US.

Now what would be more acceptable to God? Our obedience to him? Or the sacrifice of Jesus?


Amos 4:4

4"Enter Bethel and transgress; In Gilgal multiply transgression! Bring your sacrifices every morning, Your tithes every three days. 5"Offer a thank offering also from that which is leavened, And proclaim freewill offerings, make them known. For so you love to do, you sons of Israel," Declares the Lord GOD.

If you like you can read the Amos literally and argue that it is not sarcastic.

I agree with most of your posits here. Amos 4:4 was sarcastic. Would you agree that there is a bit of sarcasm in Psalm 51:16?
All your posits here still doesn't explain the rationale in comparing Christ sacrifice with our obedience. Would you argue that 1Samuel 15:22 was comparing ones sacrifice with another's obedience? It really does not matter who the sacrifice is for here. It's who is making the sacrifice that counts.

In my opinion, no obedience by man would matter without the sacrifice of Christ.

What's more, I could even argue that there is obedience in sacrifice and vice versa

PastorAIO:
I'm not talking about christ's obedience. Read the OP again.

I talking about your obedience and my obedience. and the obedience of everyday normal people. Which is greater? Our obedience or the Sacrifice of Christ?

Or, was Christ sacrificed for himself? Wasn't he sacrificed for us? So is his sacrifice for us greater at reconciling us to God than our Obedience to God?

This is not a small matter because everyday we see people lying and stealing and murdering and then turning around and claiming that Christ sacrificed for them so it is okay for them to do what they're doing.

why compare some else's sacrifice with your own obedience? I think your question would be more in touch if you compare your sacrifice with your obedience.
BTW I didn't see your input on my thread. The opinion of someone like you would mean much

absoluteSuccess:
20 wives spoiled my bargain in Eritrea, I thought they will celebrated me for taking more.

Alas, I was thrown back into awaiting flight to Lagos. Guys learn from me, rein in your greed.

Let two be two.

I salute all our brothers that are on their way to Eritrea for this wonderful eritic wives. It's every bachelor's dream.

God bless Eritrea.

Oju kokoro

Fawklicant:
How is the money ilegally gotten? Does he not have legitimate businesses? Or because he is a politician, he shouldnt have investments? Before he ventured into politics, what was his occupation? Was he on govt appointment that he should abdicate his businesses?
How much os 2m dollars?

If the efcc arrests you for an alleged crime of say N4 found in your account paid to you by a company you provided a service for at theexact same amount and then goes ahead to insinuate that because they noticed that you built a house of N3, therefore both sums came from the same company even when there is no proof that says so, are you guilty as charged?

Learn to check your emotions and use reason. Giving a dog a bad namein order to hang it is BS.

Is your problem lack of sense or your comprehension skills is deficient? Didn't you read where the OP said that it's a crime for an individual to transport money above 5m naira in cash? Isn't that what the lady is testifying to? that metuh did transport the said $2m in cash. Why would metuh transport such an amount in cash and not use the electronic means available in banks if it was legitimately gotten. Next time you read, please take time to think so it can aid your understanding

Smellymouth:

D ladies love my smelly mouth

That's why I dey hand you over to them oh
No be my problem

Smellymouth:
Warris this? Na spit d guy dey suck

No be spit you dey suck when you kiss?

Your smellymouth though
Ladies over to you

Truth234:
Because there was no evidence he swallowed drug, police seems to have use that as a cover up after killing him.

Come on don't be silly. Are they mandated to show you the evidence?

Where is the police brutality been protested against in the OP? These nigerians sef

scachy:
It's not possible cos the accused , n in some cases the surties usually keeps their relevant travel document under court custody for as long as d case lasts.

When ever travel documents are to be ceased, its always stated among bail conditions. And that you're granted bail does not mean you can't travel(unless explicitly stated in the bail conditions) its only means you should always show up in court when needed.

francisbiz:
What if you die today? what then?

Na you wan kill me?

muhakeem:
do u mean metu will be in the prison till bail fund is produced??

yes

soldierdollar:
Op is correct . the money for bail or its equivalent is used as a collateral in case the accused jumps bail.

It's laughable that people think the money is paid cash

the money can be paid in whatever manner stated by the court. If it says cash, then cash it is. If it says properties, then properties it is. If it says cash but properties in like sum can be used in place, then that's it. The most important thing here is that the the court must be in possession of the money or property (whichever the case is) before the accused is released.

modath:
Where did i opined that? ... What is the function of setting bail conditions if it isn't met before release from custody, kindly point where i posited that?

By now you should realize that what you are arguing here is in fact not the point of discussion on this thread.

modath:
Let's agree i don't know what I'm saying & the SANs are wrong , the whole cash is even 200+300m , the other conditions are in PROPERTIES...

Go and read both judgements again..

and did the judgment say the accused can be released even before the bail money or property are submitted to the court?

modath:
Why do you take everything personal? ... It is a rhetorical question for pete sakes!!

Dropshot , geist, tuale4u & barca ,

Do not take my word for it but 1 billion naira is not going to be deposited anywhere, I have read again, 2 sureties in like sum, we are allowing interpretation confuse us...

Will Excise & paste specifics ... a dey come.....

Bail is traditionally Properties sef..

what do you mean by bail been traditionally properties? Where did you get that from? A bail is what the court says it is. If the court says money, then so be it. If it says properties, then so be it. Courts usually give options of properties in like sum for those who don't have cash but have properties that can stand in for the cash. More like a collateral. The issue with the OP is not what is paid (I.e weather cash or property) but when it is paid. The OP claims the cash or property is paid if the accused jumps bail as against before been released on bail. No accused will be released until all bail conditions are met.

modath:
That is why the properties that have docs are deposited in the custody of the courts have CofO that are verifiable & have value of LIKE SUM....

We have totally bastardised the concept of bail & all thanks to that goes to the Nigerian Police Force..

We are confusing bail condition with fines & penalties for offences.

@OP , You are point......

Please read the OP again. The OP is claiming that it is when the defendant jumps bail that money is collected. There was nothing on like sum in the OP. The issue of like sum only comes up for defendants who claim they don't have raw cash. If you're collecting the bail money or you collect properties in like sum what difference does it make. The important thing to note here is they are paid before the defendant is released on bail and not when he jumps bail

You very funny. Without meeting any of the bail conditions, you can't be released. So what if the accused and the surties flee the country? what then?

Richiy:
hello..the other weekend 3g also works at night?

yes, and on all devices. BTW your personal text will be full time job oh

OluwaChuzy:
Why go thru d hassle of IMEI change?? Holla me on whatsapp and ama guide you on how to use the sub on your Samsung without rooting or IMEI tweaking... 08062224726

lol why WhatsApp and not nairaland

Davidovinci:
Samsung devices imei can be changed bro....done a couple myself

well I never argued otherwise. All I said was am yet to see one

KaBabs1:
what I mean is I used a blackberry 10 os to activate the plan, then inserted it on my Samsung phone. I thought OP said it'll work. Cos I asked him on Sunday and he confirmed that it'll work

It won't work and it does not matter what phone you used in subscribing to the plan. What you need is a device with a BlackBerry imei and I have never heard of a Samsung device imei number been changed to that of a BlackBerry.

KaBabs1:
ajibolabd Geist

Bros please can I do this with an Blackberry OS 10? cos I tried the 1k plan with a BlackBerry OS 10 and it didn't work for my Samsung. please reply it's urgent sir. thanks

it won't work on Samsung devices because you can't change the imei number. But it should work on a BlackBerry os 10. You only need to learn how to set the APN to glosecure and how to activate the APN when need be.

dljbd1:
Mehn... Thanks for responding jare. So if I no shout na so una go dy bypass my post. Lolz

Yeah I've changed my imei before for glo bis purpose. Do u think that cld be the problem? How do I solve it?
I use a Jiayu S3 3gb ram version, lollipop 5.1

Thanks.

This tweak is supposed to work with the glo bis and those who did not change their imei cant use it. I really dont know what you are doing wrong. I will advice you delete all your current apn, then restart your phone let glo send you their normal apn automatically, that is both gloflat and glosecure, then you can make a third one with blackberry.net which will be for the globis. All you need to do is swicth to glosecure for night and weekend and switch back to blackberry.net during weekdays.

ezehuche:
Have u guys heard of codeplus software academy they offer something similar to what andela, even much better.

what makes it better than Andela?