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princfred:
It is similar approach of the board towards a coach am talking about not relationship with presidiency. A board when the team is in mess gives a coach, especially new one free hand to just do his thing, but immediately the winning ensues, they demand more than just winning nudging the coach to do more of this or that yet sacks the coach if the team stops winning in his bid to adapt to the boards new demands. You must be a teenager or something if this is too hard for you to understand. Why do you think its unlikely for FC Barca to make Mourinho their coach unless maybe they are in serious mess of long term trophy drought even if he wins extra 3 ECL? Let me help you with the answer to this one before your brain goes into mental gymnastics and shagallo on that - Not the two options you limits the board's concern to (money making nor lack of potential to win trophies) but because his style of football does not concur with theirs not minding his trophy-winning capability
Mourinho being wiser after his debacle with Chelsea board and knowing this got himself a very fat pay-off if Manu sacks him knowing fully well he be liable to be sacked since the he knows the small boys the board wants him to work with can't do jack.

Don't just say you've won because my aim is not to win or lose but to help you understand football realities instead answer the questions I asked rather than resorting to reading history, unrelated sarcasm and misrepresentative innuendos.
You want ManU to be like Zidane's Madrid or Conte's Chelsea with a Rashford and Mctominay in the starting 11. Are you high on piss? You see their mate and level for those big teams?
In contemporary times, unproven academy players dont do enough consistency to win big trophies such as EPL and ECL only FA cups and big players are costly if thats beyond your observation scope or brain processing power even when its glaringly pointed out then stop talking football with senior men of the beautiful and just stick to watching from the back of the the big screen.

bro what else do you want? This is already turning into a cursed word session I know you all enjoy these days on the internet and I don't. If all want is to win the argument then by all mean I proclaim you the winner or proclaim yourself. You cannot however force me to accept the whole pile of horse shit you put up there. Which useless academy tradition Manu get sef? when last did Manu produce any top academy players even under sir Alex? where jesse lingard rashford getting as much playing time? Bros you sef funny. Stop think a little and ask yourself. If you're a coach and you are winning, you have all the bragging right, you can raise your shoulder, quit and you would not be short of people who want to recruit you. Is that when you would allow anybody tell you anything? Just imagine Man city's board now trying to force pep to play certain players, when can easily get annoyed and threaten to leave. The same plays out in top companies around the world. Once the executives are doing well and making money, they are left alone to do their thing once they are not then they start to behave like they can run the business themselves. If you want to change the narrative to fit your own world view by all mean do. Call me a small boy won't change anything. You have already dragged this argument out of context sef. bye bye

princfred:
What you are saying is way too black and white and out of touch with reality to be anywhere near the truth. Likely you are speaking from your young naïve sense of elderado. Local NFF which gave Rohr free hand before are now talking about him inviting more local league players after he seems to be doing just fine yet if things happen to go wrong as he tries to adapt to their new demands, thesame board will sack him. Humans in nature want and demand for more. Boards look into more things than just money and trophy. They are very much interested in style of play, club tradition, fans satisfaction etc.

Which big team in contemporary times are doing well based on academy players? Because other coaches spent money and didn't get it right does not mean spending big to land big players is wrong or does not work neither does it mean that Mourinho will fail after spending big like the others nor that not spending but relying on academy players will work.

Depay and others may be more psychologically fitter for a smaller club first before transiting to bigger ones.
I asked you lots of questions which will help you understand but you prefer to beat around. Answer those questions and learn. How many players of Rashfords level are regualer starters in Chelsea now or LFc, m Zidanes madrid Mancity that you want Mourinho to mimic? Manu now is more like Arsenal of old with small small boys who win today lose tomorrow and couldn't win any trophy beyond FA cup..

Oga I have heard. You are more knowledgeable and well versed than I am. The fact that you would compare a club board with football federation or the Nigerian football fedration already speaks to the wealth of knowledge of knowledge. NFF that even Buhari can tell them to sack and unsack coach. Abeg I gree

princfred:
Of you font know that management does pressure and influence coaches or just claiming so then you are way too out of touch to discuss football. They may not tell him who to bench but pressure him on who they would love to see play which inevitably means some else has to be benched. Example Manu lays emphasize that their tradition is youth development how can Mourinho achieve that. You think normal classic Mourinho will give Rashford jersy 10 and manU gave Rashford 10 jersey to sit on the bench?


Where was manu before Mourinho came that you now want to put all Manu woes on him? Why was Van sacked ? Was he such a wrong and terrible coach too? Whats the constant between Van Gaals failure then and that of Mourinho now?

There's only two things any board cares about and that's winning trophies and making money. Any other thing they may seem to care about are always linked to those two I mentioned and this is because a clubs success are measured by how many trophies and how much they make. Since sir Alex departure, the board has spent crazy amount of money. From di Maria to pogba. Racking up wage bills. I remember the crazy wage offered to Luke Shaw which Chelsea even refused to pay but Manu because they wanted to overall the team then agreed to it. Luke Shaw by the way was a Chelsea fan and only choose Manu ahead of Chelsea because of the money. Chelsea later went for azpilicueta. Lukakus case was also similar. This board has been spending like crazy with no results on the coaches end. The acquisition of Sanchez is another example of how the board is spending money on crazy wage bills on players they don't need who are even under performing. If you are in that board and people are asking you for more money to buy foreign players won't you tell the coach to go and look into the academy? I repeat non of the board members give a Bleep who is playing. Some are not even football fanatics like us. So as long as the team is winning they will always support the coach. An example of this is with Chelsea under anthonio Conte. Even though the board has been shouting about how they want an attractive brand of football they still wen ahead and supported Conte with his defensive brand of football. Bought 3 or 4 defensive midfielders just because he carried the premier league but the time he lost that winning touch they sacked him. Loaned out bakayoko. Danny drinkwater will be the next to leave soon. So you see not all his as clear as black and white. Me I don't see the spending that Manu want to do again to improve this team. They have been spending since. Go and check wage bill of all the Chelsea players and compare them with Manu. You will be shocked. Manu is gradually turning to Chelsea of old that will buy a player for excessive amount and the player will not do anything. Just look at how depay is now playing for Lyon but was crap with Manu. I rest my case bros

princfred:
Its the club management who always makes things hard for Mourinho. He comes into a delipidated team, they have no face to tell him sh*t since their team is akready in a mess so he does his thing his way and gets good results suddenly the club managenent remembers they are the boss, want to ride on the new found glory and starts making counterproductive demands by trying to dictate game style, starting 11 for him based on some expired team tradition, wet dreams etc for him he gets too distracted trying to appease the board soo much that the entire team implodes.

In his last season at chelsea, i remember how they were all bugging him to always start, play and turn loftus cheek into the next Paul Scholes just because he is an Englishman and just like Manu is doing with Rashford now, how they wanted barca fancy style so Mou had to play Fabregas till the teams performance plumetted. Now, no one is bugging Sari ( and even Conte then) on those issues.

from where are you getting all these information from? They are pure lies or just mere conspiracy theories with no shred of evidence. I repeat Mourinho is not the type of coach whom anybody would force to play any player. He can decide to bench pogba if he so pleases. The worst that would happen is the club would fire him and another club would snap him up. Go and look at all top coaches, they really don't have much to loose other than their ego if they decide to bench any fucking player. Loftus cheek ko, soft lips ni. and right after forcing mourinho to play him they would then sack mourinho then employ anthonio conte to loan the same loftus cheek to crystal palace abi. Abegi come up with something else.

princfred:
Chelsea squad had an excess of quality players then most detected and bought by Mourinho so some decided to leave because they were not getting regular shirt. Fergie was winning more by his clout over referees than quality. Make was always a good player even before Lfc bought him I ask you questions answer them. Small boys football which the board insist Mourinho does don't work in contemporary football for big teams. Small boys make good first in small/medium teams to earn being bought by big teams not big teams dumbing down their team with inexperienced unproven learners which is what overhyped (based on being English) Rashford is. Imagine who wears no 19 jersey for united. Mourinho's first year was good until the club insisted on him always playing small boys. Imagine Herrera being benched while Rashhord sees regular shirt. That's an aberration .

Which board is insisting on who mourinho plays? Abegi, I can bet you mourinho would be the first to resign his job if the board starts telling him who to play. Based on what you have said which manu players has not played for small teams and improved those teams aside rashford? All. I don't want to go on and argue with you about rashfords quality. Anthony martial was the golden boy of Monaco before Manu bought him. Lukaku was an ever present force for Everton and scored an average of 20 goals in his last two seasons with Everton before Manu. Sanchez is a whole story all together. What about your midfield? Pogba from juve. Matic from Chelsea, Mata from Chelsea. I can go on and on. What of Marcos rojo that playing for sporting, smalling played for Fulham and reached the Europa league final with Fulham before joining Manu abeg go and read all your players profile and tell me which one had an average season before joining. Infact unlike clubs like Chelsea that buy players that the coach sometimes does not ask for. It's only the players that are recommended by the coach that Manu buys. I don't know how you can turn round now and say they are not good.

princfred:
Who is a good 11 at the level or quality of Hazard and Mane apart from Sanchez? What is Manu without those players Mourinho bought?

Abeg I don tire for Una argument. Maybe you want to go look at the the teams sir Alex used before he retired and compare them with what city and Chelsea had. Do you know how old rashford is? Do you know how many caps he has for both club and country? When did you start regarding mane as a quality player? I bet it was only when he started playing for klopp. Look Kevin debryne. Mourinho actually had such quality player in Chelsea but choose to sell him cheap to gladbarch and what he spent only a season there before man city bought him for more than thrice the amount Chelsea sold him. If I may ask how do you identify a top quality player?

ncoolsome:
U still don't ans my question...5man u players that wld mk man city,Liverpool or Chelsea team 1st eleven?

Dude you dey ask question like say you no sabi football. What do you want to use the five players for? If your question aims at questioning the quality of Manu players then I have already answered you. All four of Manu strikers are either better or and least equal to Chelsea strikers. De gea is a better goalkeeper to Kepa. To make my point clearer look at Juan Mata. Mata was in the same team harzard played for two seasons and outshines him anytime any day. Then morinho came and instead of playing Mata where he is best at, the center. He decides to move him to the right. Why? So that he play a more defensive minded midfielder. Since then we have never seen the Mata we once knew at Chelsea. Hazard his playing arguably his beat football right now why? Because of the system Sarri is playing. Before now he never had an offensive minded coach at Chelsea. Morinho was at Chelsea sold sala and debryune. Manu has arguably spent as much as man city have spent yet nothing to show for it. Morinho bought Sanchez who is not even needed in that team as far as I am concerned. Fred is yet to hit his heights, heck we are even yet to see pogba at his full potential for Manu and he his crying the board did not back him with the players he wants. I laugh my brother.

ncoolsome:
Which players are good?? Tell me 5 players in this team that can replace a player in man city,Liverpool or Chelsea??

They are all good players playing badly as a team. If Alexis did not come in cheap due to his contract almost running out do you know how much he would have cost Manu? Lets talk about how much martial cost Manu. If not that his career has stagnated due to bad coaches he ought to be in the bracket of the likes of mpape what of pogba? None of those team would have a pogba and bench him. It is the same Chelsea team that played last season that is playing this season with the exception of jorginho. Football is a team sport and not an individual sport and that's one thing morinho seems to have lost. He can't seem to keep his team playing as one for more than a season. Infact I can argue that all his teams often seem to rely on exploiting the oppositions weakness rather than harnessing it's own strength. So his players always look crap.

Kyase:
Well i will agree with you to some extent....
Jose's game plan is, "don't lose the game if you can't win it..."
I don't think that's bad....

Well that game plan is bad if you ask anyone in the game. You don't spend like manu and come and play a game plan the likes of stock city plays

Kyase:
Tell me, what's wrong with the selection or the line up....
Abeg blame the players too.... No be only Jose all the time.

One thing with clubs like man u is that you can hardly pic a wrong team. All the players are good. This team does not even look like they have any style and that's down to the coach

Acidosis:
na wa for FBN o. Banks generally don't roll over. Why ask customers to return to a branch after many months just to get back their money? A simple box where customers can tick an option to rollover on the application form will resolve this issue.

fbn also has this. I have never had to to return to the bank and have never had my tbills rolled over. I guess that process only refers to those who ticked the roll over and decide not to roll over again in the future

PastorAIO:
But one thing that he says that I have to give him kudos for is his teaching to Always Tell the Truth.

This is a very powerful practice and it is not easy to do. It also yields very powerful personality changes for the better in those who can practice it. The difficulty lies in the fact that when one tells the Truth many things seem to go wrong before they even begin to go right. To put it in the terms of Christ Mythology, One will have to experience Death before one can experience a Glorious Resurrection. The path of Truth leads you to ignominy and shame before it brings you into Glory.

I must say I was a bit surprised you had more criticism than praise. I found some of his teachings on the Logus similar to yours but I think you pretty much agree with that. However I find your criticism also very similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1LhcEh8Ms which also accuses him of having a very shallow definition of postmodernism and basing a lot of claims on this. Thanks though for offering your opinion on it. Are there any books you would say influenced your thoughts on philosophy and theology you would recommend? One that wouldn't be too difficult for newbie to understand.

PastorAIO:
More on the LXX here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1224167/contra-bibliolatreia-ii-septuagint

Derailing a bit here, but I have been listening a lot to Jordan Peterson and I find a lot of his posits on religion similar to yours, Do you know him and agree to many of the things he says on religion? Also I would love to know if there are things you disagree a lot with in his saying.

lamidebaby:
It appears the new thrill on social media is pastor bashing. Everyone now does it to appear "woke". Anybody with an iota of economic sense will pick holes in the contrived gibberish she's propounded. Anyway, anything for social media relevance. Enjoy your few days of spotlight.

Shouldn't it be the trill when unfortunately it's the reality we live in? It's like complaining about how people bash the present day government

Alhajiemeritus:
I am not sure there is anything like moral justification in the military book.

I think they go by the sayings 'Orders are Orders and Obey the Last Order.

That's not true. No military Man can commit a crime and just claim it's an order. You are not expected to follow criminal orders. Both the doer and giver of the order are to be dismissed and jailed if this country gave a Bleep about the rule of law. The thing with Sgt Rogers is that he argued that disobeying almost meant you would be killed too under Sanni Abacha even though you did the right thing in the eyes of the law. No one can really argue against that.

HigherEd:
Erm you too consider the church. The early christians sold off inheritances for the church yet they never got free education nor free healthcare.
They did wealth redistribution but that was because the church got the all of members. You can't be giving 50-150 naira a Sunday and expect to get free everything.

The early church did redistribution while still remaining poor. You even have the ordercity to claim members are not giving their all when the truth is that many of these members would be better off seating at home rather than going to church. Pastors are leaving large but close their eyes to the fact that many of the early church leaders remained poor like Christ advised everyone seeking the kingdom of God. Let these wealth disappear from the church and see how many of your church leaders will remain in service of God.

HigherEd:
You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by.........

The bolded in your response is the very crox of the matter. If your supposed members cannot attend the universities, who are you planning to teach the way of God. No one is saying education dose not cost much. But what will you make of a commodity that majority cannot afford. Yet you collect money from these majority to build the commodity. If you're sincere with yourself and the bolded is the real reason these churches build schools then you will agree that they are all failing.

I would like to know what kind of law would enable courts review spendings of these so called men of God. As it is, the courts are doing a very poor job on that of our politicians already. I doubt they would do any better here.

If I may PastorAIO, I would like to hear your thoughts on why humans end up having difference in moral judgement. Since this Apple ought to have made us like God( that is becoming a judge of what is right and wrong), shouldn't we all be having the same moral judgement? or do you believe God also has this different contradicting morals like humans do. Of course all these questions become useless if don't believe what the bible says as it says it. I would also like to hear your reasons for not wanting to base arguments on the bible

PastorAIO:
I just realise that I'm unhappy about the answer I gave above. I feel reluctant to base any arguments I make on this thread on bible passages.

The post which started this line of inquiry was copy-and-pasted from another Thread actually.

I would like to continue to talk about morality but without quoting from the bible.

I am more than happy basing arguments on anything other than the bible so long as it makes sense and it's true. But I have noticed like I'm sure you have also noticed, many people base arguments on the bible with little or no knowledge of it. From my perspective, it helps if one can counter untrue claims of what the bible says with what the bible actually says. Which is why I asked specifically for bible passages. I value logical reason above all.

PastorAIO:
May I divulge some biblical knowledge to you.

It is believed according to the bible that the sense of Morality (knowledge of Good and Evil) is ingrained in Man due to the fact that Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

The writers of the bible know that the sense of Morality is ingrained in all Humans. You don't have to join any religious doctrine to have a moral code. You don't need to believe in God either. It's congenital from the time of Adam to this very day.

The bible goes Further. It's says that acquiring a Sense of Morality will turn you in to a God.

There is a instinctive responsibility ingrained along with the Moral sense. Every human being tries to maximise what he believes is Good and tries to minimize what he believes is Bad.
We strive in every second of our lives to make things Better rather than worse. The only time you can see someone willingly making things worse is when their perspective is different from yours. To you they are making things worse but for them they are striving to make things better.

The instinct to Strive to reshape the world according to our Moral inclination makes us partakers of the creation process. It makes us Gods.

Pastor please, when and how did the bible say acquiring a Sense of Morality will turn us into a God and how do we partake in the creation process by shaping the world the world according to our Moral inclination?

PastorAIO:
By the way did you also know that the churches founded by Paul and mentioned in the bible, e.g. Ephesus, Corinth etc,.... these churches are still in existence to this day.

I would love to read about this church. Any recommended resource?

toystars:
Nope

WOW long time. Why did you leave? Did Ezra also leave? Do still think you made the right decision to leave? Can I PM you? Would like to talk more.

TONY56:
Sorry there's no way you can do that again this week.
Auction takes place tomorrow morning and there is no bank that can take your bid this evening.
Sorry o. Wait till next fortnight and submit your bid at least 48hrs before 17th January which is the next auction date after tomorrow.

Can you please describe how to place bids and what rate do you think would be favorable this period?

DeepSight:
The Unitary Government that peacefully allowed a Scottish referendum on Independence abi?
The Unitary Government that fields different football teams for England, Scotland and Wales in international competitions abi?

Please the scenario is very different from this country where the discussion on any independence referendum alone is already seen as treason. . . .

Who are those discussing the referendum that were seen as treason?

KENDRICKer:
im looking to buy the new spectranet freedom mifi or Smile SMIFI currently selling. i would like someone who already owns one of these devices to help me take pictures of the model number like i did my own so i can check it for compatibility with band 28 (700mhz) if i decide to unlock it in the future. i like the devices cos they have screens which made it easier to use.
Thanks in advance

That spectranet device is not Huawei. I had to use my imei to find the info about the device. It's a Youwin M022t device. How do you plan checking if it's compatible with glo? Plus I am not sure this unlocking method works for it.

AgentOfAllah:
The council of legal education in Nigeria are the administrators of the Law school man, with exactly the same function as your university senate members. I seriously don't know what you're trying to argue here!

Just read the whole thing.

This is what I am saying. The council of legal education in Nigeria certify that one is qualified to be called to bar. The council of benchers however do the calling to bar. They were the ones who prevented the Lady from answering her call and not the council of legal education. The Link I provided up there clearly states the qualification by the council of legal education as one amongst other requirements for the council of benchers to call prospective practicing lawyers to bar. In all I get what you're saying. The only way I see her winning this though is if she proves that the dress code is not a requirement by the NBA

AgentOfAllah:
Yes they do! Again, I implore you to look up the legal education Act!

http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legal%20Practitioners%20Act.htm#BodyOfBenchers Please read section 4. Note that section 4b talks about the certificate given by the Council of Legal Education in Nigeria.

AgentOfAllah:
I did not suggest, I asked a question. These are two different things. Yes, some military gears have practical implications and others are ceremonial. I don't care much for their choice of uniform. Hijab is not necessarily perceived as a choice by those who wear it, so don't make baseless comparisons.

LoL I doubt uniforms are matter of choice in the Military but either way

AgentOfAllah:
What are you on about? What institution is responsible for certifying her as a barrister? Please educate yourself by reading the [url=http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legal%20Education%20(Consolidation,%20etc.)%20Act.htm]Legal Education Act[/url]. Pay especial attention to section 5, where it states that "A person shall be entitled to have a qualifying certificate issued to him by the Council stating that he is qualified to be called to Bar if-"...

Yes they certify but they don't do the calling. Do they?

AgentOfAllah:
Answering questions with questions?

I am asking about military beret. You seemed to suggest theirs had implications while the barristers head gears don't. I was just curious.

AgentOfAllah:
1) What has the military profession got to do with legal profession?
2) Are you making the argument that military gear has no practical implications for their profession?


It is wrong!

I would like you to tell us the practical implications of the beret for their profession?