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Nigerian movie "Anikulapo" is now no 1 non English movie on Netflix Worldwide.
Congratulations Nigeria.

Mkenya2019:
Interesting maps showing countries in africa with highest prospect of industralizing.

Nigeria has been split into regions.


Highest prospect-> Kenya, Part of Southern Nigeria, South Africa, Zim, Zambia, Congo Rep (not DRC) and Seychless have greatest prospect

Similar to Bangladesh, Vietnam and the likes.

These guys are not current. Kaduna in the north of Nigeria is insustrializing very fast.

obaaderemi:
Lekki Port, Lagos.

At 95% completion.

It's actually more than that. Would start test runs from December until March.

VULCAN:
In 7 yrs APC has not permitted any move that would make the lives of the general populace better

Only a fool will think that a govt that banned Twitter will allow Google crash the price of data.

Glo has an submarine cable for 12yrs now yet their data costs the same as the other gsm networks

APC has permitted more moves and policies than PDP did.

GardenOfGod:
A welcome development. Google has been championing high tech infrastructure development in Africa and around the world for years. I hope this APC government is dethroned so they won't kill the promising initiative with their archaic evil policies.

You don't know what you are saying. This administration have supported the tech sector. Isa Pantami have been doing some work to help it grow.

Kazikazi:
Mmmmmh

I don't understand. Is it that Uganda would soon annex Nairobi?

Kazikazi:
Signs? Which signs again?
If you look at ethio and Tz let's say 10 to 15 years back,they had almost zero manufacturing. In Tz we were getting almost all products from kenya,SA,or China.
But now,Alot more have changed,these are signs. Even when we check on our current Fdi figures,manufacturing have attracted more monies than mining for the first time. In latest figures,we have over 2b probably poured in manufacturing out of 4b in total Fdi for the past 12 monthsThese figures are not yet punlished .So all signs are there. I think we should try to look at the things to come rather than on past history. If we base on a historical figures,no one in africa will ever overpass S.A. in manufacturing.But in real sense,SA has a huge hurdles to overcome for her to remain where it is now.

I asked you those questions because I believe your criterias on what should make an African country a top manufacturer of finished goods in Africa were not sufficient.
Many countries in Africa have also improved in their manufacturing from 15 to 20 years ago. To show us that your theory works, show me a graph or statistics that compares the growth of Ethiopia and Tanzania to that of other African countries. Then we can compare and say Ethiopia and Tanzania received more attention from our white Daddies.

Also while I agree we need the white Daddies for manufacturing, africans from abroad can also bring investments and africans on ground are smart too, if we can tweak/improve drastically the education system of the africans on ground.

The African countries with the best and most probably unconventional educational system should give us a more accurate picture on this trend of the future top manufacturers in Africa.

rvp2018:
I think so; I am not certain; but suspect it
Look like you have only 7,000 active tractors - about 50k including broken down ones;

So how many is in Kenya? and show me where it is second in Africa?

rvp2018:
I think so; I am not certain; but suspect it

Stop suspecting.

rvp2018:
One data source.

Mechanisation: World moves without Nigeria - Businessday NGhttps://businessday.ng › agriculture › article › mechanis...
Mar 6, 2019 — Kenya had 25 tractors per 100 square kilometres of arable land in 2009 while Nigeria has almost seven, according to the most recent data .

Now if you consider that arable land in Kenya is tiny sliver - then you know real tractor usage is intensive.

You said after South Africa, you have the second ownership of tractors in Africa, now you are reducing it to just tractors per arable land ?
The question is: How many tractors are in Kenya altogether?

rvp2018:
Your hoe-powered agriculture with low quality maize cannot ever be compared to kenya.
Infact without Kenya Seeds moving to Tanzania - you'd still be producing the worse maize full of afflotoxin.

I have helped people import tractors from Europe. I can tell outside South Africa - Kenya has probably 2nd highest tractor ownership in Africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjE_z5pnD0Q&t=95s

Stop speaking from your ass. Do your research first.
According to the report, ‘Sustainable Agricultural Mechanization: A Framework for Africa’, published last year by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, in 2000 the tractors in use in Africa were concentrated in a small number of countries, with 70% in South Africa and Nigeria.

https://www.farmersweekly.co.za/opinion/blog/letter-from-the-editor/a-turning-point-for-tractor-use-in-africa/

Kazikazi:
I mentioned some factors which gives Egypt, Tz and Ethiopia an edge,but you didn't bother to check them.

Yes there is a war in Ethiopia, but I believe it won't last long.

Most of these manufacturing business as we know are foreign owned,since you know very well most afticans are behind in technology,knowledge and the capital to enter into a real manufacturing business.As a result,foreign owned companies will dominate in Africa.And by that,there are countries which are considered too riskyfor foreigners to do manufacturing business in a large scale like those we saw in the far east like China,south Korea,Vietnam etc.And these risks are everywhere in most parts of Africa
Lack of cheap and reliable power
High gov corruption
High labour costs
Availability of raw materials (industrial minerals and agriculture stuff)
Lack of peaceful and stable policies

So you are saying Ethiopia do not have all or most of these problems? So why do we not see the signs already in Ethiopia and Tanzania? Why are they not some of the top manufacturers of finished goods in Africa??
Southern Africa at least benefitted from those investments from whites you mentioned and there is sizable manufacturing there especially in South Africa. What's happening to Ethiopia especially given their population?
Tanzania is also quiet stable and peaceful, they should at least have lots of these investments and be amongst top three in FDI.

rvp2018:
-The Mombasa Tea Auction is considered one the world’s largest black tea auctions for export. Each week, teas worth over $20 million are traded from Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, DRC, Malawi, Madagascar, Mozambique and Ethiopia

Clown .

rvp2018:
Finished manufactured products.

Yeah, what finished manufactured products do you export from Kenya?

rvp2018:
That is the question

What are those finished products? Don't hide behind the tails of that one .

samorobo:
A $74m investment is a paltry sum,I am embarrassed on your behalf. Give me a more competitive figure. Common ogun state can hack that and even do better.

In succinct terms,no one would leave a sleep of such minuscule sum.

Even a returning Abacha loot is sometimes more than that.

obaaderemi:
Don't be silly. It's not about export alone. Nigeria's internal market is huge. Look at the top 10 companies on our stock exchange. At least 4 of them are manufacturing companies, in fact the first one is a manufacturing company.

Can we see the first 10 companies on the Nairobi stock exchange and how many of them are manufacturing companies and their market capitalization?

Dangote Cement, BUA cement, BUA foods and Nestle Foods.

Ask him what Kenya manufactures that makes them a manufacturing country.

AfriqueDuZuid:
yall love mentioning the central Africa as if theres songwriting happening there

Central Africa is the poorest and least developed region in the world

Low standard of measure

I swear down.

rvp2018:
Focus on the value-chain - not long useless excitment.

Yeah the value chain is beneficial and huge, no matter how you look at it.
We are tired of just exporting crude. If NNPC refineries come on board, we could easily tell Dangote to import crude oil, while we continue to sell crude close to what we were selling If we improve power supply and successfully convert all state owned transport vehicles to gas powered vehicles. It's always a win win situation to me.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Let's start here

How much did Kenya make from from exports in dollar terms

Good question.

rvp2018:
So NNPC will forfeit world market prize to sell Dangote at sweatheart prize?

No. But at least everything is now within our control. We can do as we like, that is more important to me.

rvp2018:
Dangote will sell at sweatheart price?

Even if he buys in dollars that would be NNPC buying in dollars from Dangote within Nigeria and not international oil firms.
Rest. Your arguements on this have not been stable.

rvp2018:
How is fuel susbidy linked to this?

Nigeria importing at world market price and then additionally paying subsidy on the imports.

obaaderemi:
Nigeria is already more industrialized than Tanzania and Kenya.

Lol I know. I just like indulging people for my pleasure to follow their line of reasoning.
I wonder what he thinks industrialisation means.

Kazikazi:
You are in the same levels with Ghana. Nothing you manufacture which can real make you shout like that. Your manufacturing industry is still in its infant stage. The only countries I believe can real make it in this game of industrialization is Tz,Egypt or Ethiopia.
kenya? No.
You have many issues which won't make u a manufacturing powerhouse.

Some of the things which your kenya and these other nations you busy argue with will struggle about are these..

Availability of cheap and reliable power
High labour costs
Lack of robust agriculture
High levels of government corruption

I can mention here tonnes and tonnes of reasons why u won't make it,but I chose those 4 big reasons why it will be hard for kenya and other African nations to enter into a real manufacturing business. Out of those 4 readons,kenya fails on all of them.Tz passes on almost all of them,so as Egypt and somehow Ethiopia. But the rest of you,bye bye,manufacturing have left you.Try something else.

With Egypt I can understand why you may feel so and I may even add Morocco.
But I fail to figure out why you included Ethiopia and Tanzania.
Tanzania hopefully but Ethiopia especially is fighting a civil war at the moment, so I'm just curious.

samorobo:
Go slow on the lies.
You are scared I get. I have old you this is huge. It’s $11nm not $1bn. You forgot to include the other 1.

And this is just the refinery oo. The petrochemicals is a 25 billion dollar per annum market as well. Nigeria can at least get more than 5 billion dollars from that. The fertiliser which is already in operation has given Dangote over 500 million dollars this year already.

Fourpockets:
You keep talking about us loosing Forex, while forgetting that we are loosing Forex already by importing refined oil

Plus 12 billion dollars on subsidy that is always rising.

rvp2018:
Kenya export more than 200 types of crops internationally. Our economy is almost entirely built on the agri-sector. Hungry when vegies, fruits, and beverage feeding Europe and world come from Kenya. Those hungry are those facing drought in northern remote parts of kenya.

Do you agree that formal Agriculture though it has more advantages, is sometimes not always the most optimised form of Agriculture as we have been made to believe especially given our African way of living?
A balanced mix of both is what I recommend with more of the agricultural sector formalized of course.

obaaderemi:
Nigeria is a huge country and the people are very enterprising, from south to north, east to west and in-between. The Nigerian economy is larger than believed. What a serious government needs to do is fix security in the north and east corridor, and do something tangible about electricity. And also fix education in the north. The missing link in Nigeria's quest for development is the north.

Mehn apart from Agric, Nigerian informal trade is fvcking huge and those guys make good money because of the huge market especially in places like Lagos and Kano.

I still remember my first time visiting Lagos in 2005, and I visited Apapa. My God.

The amount of trade and activities in my area then were non stop. Even as at 3a.m in the night, we were awake amongst large crowds and passersby's trading in one thing or the other. As at 3a.m, we could buy fish, plantain, suya, etc. There were plethora of options and markets to choose from. I don't know if Apapa is still that way today, but that was my experience then as at 2005.

rvp2018:
Wild guess

Lol . Okay.

rvp2018:
How do you know apart from rough guestimation what got sold or bought and for how much - you need a percentage of this formally marketted.

The countries with the highest volumes of grain production in 2018 were Nigeria (26M tonnes), Ethiopia (25M tonnes) and Egypt (22M tonnes), together accounting for 37% of total production. South Africa, Morocco, Tanzania, Mali, Sudan, Niger, Algeria, Burkina Faso and Kenya lagged somewhat behind, together accounting for a further 37%.

https://www.globaltrademag.com/grain-consumption-in-africa-continues-rising/