₦airaland Forum

lawani:
But they are outcasts and if you marry them you will be excommunicated from the community

That's not true. The OSU were never outcasts, and marrying them doesn't lead to excommunication at least in pre colonial times. This whole rewriting of history came from the missionaries who tried to antagonise them for dedicating themselves to the gods. It is the same way that the missionaries changed Ekwensu from a respectable god in ìgbo cosmology to the Devil himself.

Ttalk:
Can you refer me to document that suggest save travel never happened in Nigeria,?

I don't understand your question, can you rephrase it?

ademijuwonlo:
Yes but there were also Nupe and Hausa from the North in Lagos before amalgamation.

No disrespect, but some people say South Easterners were not really wearing clothes and that could have deterred them from mixing with their neighbours.

Yet the South East people mixed very well with their Ibibio, Erik and Annang neighbours.

omohayek:
Argument by bald assertion. Where is your evidence for such claims, that we should believe you over all the history books that are freely available?

You can make your ludicrous and dishonest claims as often as you like, but you'll never be regarded as anything more than a ethnic champion seeking to nurse a fragile ego by disseminating blatant propaganda. Your drivel belongs in the same revisionist rubbish-bin as the nonsense from those who claim Palestine was empty before the 19th century, or that South Africa was unsettled before the Boers came in the 17th century.

The most amusing thing about the persistent mendacity of characters like you is that even as you spend all this effort spewing lies about Lagos to soothe your egos, others of your kinsmen are noisily stating how they "don't give a f***" about the same Lagos you put so much energy into lying about. Why all the lying, if Lagos means so little to you people?

Can you factually disprove his argument or are you going to tow the line of petty insults as typical of you people? Because all he's said are historically accurate

Lukuluku69:
And where did they learn the Caste System from? Their Religion I would suppose. And I do hope you know what the Caste System entails? Lesser humans amongst humans due to birth privileges, ancestry etc.

And NO EUROPEANS of that time ever considered the Africans or any African as EQUAL, least of all a people still in their old haunts, almost half naked and living in thatched roofed mud houses!

oh and one more thing, the Europeans, especially the British during the colonial government began to be see the Igbo as equal due to how fast and quickly They levelled up in terms of culture and religion of the British. It got to the point that the Igbo and some south southerners began contesting for positions in the British colonial government and even replacing the Europeans in their quarters. It got to the point that Lugard complain about it.

You can read the journals of the British personels of that time if you are in doubt.

Lukuluku69:
And where did they learn the Caste System from? Their Religion I would suppose. And I do hope you know what the Caste System entails? Lesser humans amongst humans due to birth privileges, ancestry etc.

And NO EUROPEANS of that time ever considered the Africans or any African as EQUAL, least of all a people still in their old haunts, almost half naked and living in thatched roofed mud houses!

You don't even know what the caste system (Osu) means or what it really is. It has nothing to do with lesser human but rather a dedicated people to the gods. Those people who fell under that caste system in the pre colonial era were feared and sometimes respected and avoided, they were not seen as lesser in anyway.
It is because of the advent of Christianity that the osu system began to be seen in such negative light ( children of the gods were now viewed as children of Satan ) but historically, it was a privileged position.

Our Nigeria education has failed us when it comes to pre colonial history of the people of Nigeria.

Nwaikpe:
No, sir. They never labelled anyone as that.

They had a caste system, and some fell in the lower caste.

The reason they weren't involved in that trade was simply because (never because they were more moral):
1. They never had anything like a centralized system of governance
2. They were receptive of the colonial culture and religion faster than anyone and second only to the Calabar. So, the white men saw them as equals first.

The whitemen did not just see them as equal, they were legit threatened by the speed at which they levelled up in such a short time and began to challenge them in certain aspects.

SonOfDSoil01:
the busy body noise makers can’t even be found on the list yet they always claim to know the history of the indigenous Lagos people more than the aborigines themselves…..we don’t share traditions or customs nor do we share border but they make Lagos their lifetime problem, funny bunch of clowns with no documented history except for their Biafra war

That's because you failed as a history student. Had it been that you have read a little bit of history you would have known that every major ethnic groups in Nigeria has a documented history of their own, Both orally and written. But I don't blame you though, I blame the Nigerian education system which failed you.

NovusHomo:
These are 1891 figures. I guess they were still living on treetops, and walking naked Who knows. Just a guess. I come in peace.

This is why you people should read a book and stop regurgitating ignorannt talk points you see online.

By 1891 the Brits were yet to conquer the Igbo, and by the time they finally encountered and fought the Igbos for more than 14 years, the British had nothing but admiration for the Igbo people, they marveled at their battle tactics, strategy and indomitable spirit and resilience. The feats the Igbos accomplished against the British were not something a barbarians who live on treetops and walk naked could have accomplished.

tctrills:
Lol, I have traveled the world, there is nothing new with strangers living in your land. It's happening all over the world, and again some yorubas practice tribalism. They segregate against Igbos. They wouldnt even rent to an Igbo
I have lived in Jos, Abuja, and in other counties. I can tell you that Yorubas are not the top 50 kindest hosts. Don't get me wrong, the yorubas are ok, but nothing exceptional.
We, your visitors, are in the best position to tell you, especially those of us who have lived all over the country and the world. I have visited Pakistan, for example, and was fed and housed for free by people who never knew me. That one can't happen in Abeokuta.

Abeokuta? Where them go mine your skull

FreeStuffsNG:
I am enlightening you to the deliberate intention of my forebears to build a sustainable homeland based on our Yoruba industry and hospitality to strangers and you are trying to make it look like it's a common thing. Smh.

Hell No! It's not common and has never been common. Some people cannibalize on strangers. Hosting strangers is a matter of life and death in your region then and most of those places you mentioned.
Some of them practice osu that perpetually segregate against some of their fellow villagers while most parts of your region practice feisty human cannibalism.
Check out the map of cannibalism in Nigeria as at that time.

How about now? You people are now into the business of mining skulls in this very day. Everyday 2-3 people lose their skulls in your place, so in reality while the south east have remodeled and modernised, the South west seems to be regressing in terms of hospitality.

Ttalk:
Lagos is a common name that bound the people together, Eko and other names have been in existence and will still continue to be.

Lagos is named after the state that is why it is called Lagos state, we still retain òye names, Eko, Epetedo, Isheri, Epe etc

You don't even know the meaning of Lagos. Lagos was named by the Europeans, Portuguese to be precise and it means "Lakes". Eko on the other hand is a Benin word. Long before the arrival of the British, the Oba of Benin was the one who chose the oba of Lagos. Do you know why it is like that?

Lukuluku69:
Like I said earlier, technically, no one owns anywhere, but people can claim ancestry over a place they have been over a period.

You have the example of the Fulani sojourn in Kwara. Yes, they came, were pushed back, but eventually settled in that space, and if you go there till today, you will see the line between the earlier people and the Fulanis. That the Fulanis seeing yourself as aliens in a space is not the same as saying no one owns the space.

And everyone traded in Slaves, the degree is the difference. Everyone does. Also, the Brits and the Portuguese find it harder to move in the Savanah and the Coasts than the thick Forest of the hinterland of the east and they never operated the city states of the Hausa/Nupe/Yoruba Kingdoms, so there was no need to sell rival city/Kingdoms citizens as slaves. Didn't they have the Outcasts amongst them or labelled some as Outcasts?

Nonsense. The British moved in the savannah just as well as they did in the hinterland if the east, especially in the coastal areas where they berthed and colonised earlier than most places, e.g Opobo kingdom and Lagos. The British directly and indirectly operated the Yoruba kingdom and Hausa/Fulani kingdoms after they conquered them . They deposed Ọbá kosoko and installed their stooge Akitoye as a way to gain total control of Lagos.
The Brits never engaged in slavery in Nigeria, they abolished it, and they used the accusations of slavery to depose the monarchies that didn't kowtow to them.

And those Hausas and Nupe you see on that census were mostly slaves owned by Yoruba chiefs, very few of them were free people.

tctrills:
Lol, I knew you must end up insulting. You guys can't hide hate. We were both discussing the progress of the Igbos in Lagos, but somehow, you started getting bitter. From pitying me to hating me. You guys tribalism is glorious.

They can not think beyond tribal lines.

Schlumeinstein:
Let me state in strong SOUTH SOUTH is NIGER DELTA.......there will never be anything like biafiaa....we don't and will never ASSOCIATE with igbotic biafraas or whatsoever u call it because OUR FORE FATHER REJECTED IT...

Femi we have heard you

Mathewrichard99:
I think the Igbos were a nation of their own at that period. They were probably maintaining a communal existence. More like a close society. They weren't interacting with external entities but just themselves alone.....

They were interacting mostly with the people in the South South region, Kalabari, Ibibio, Efik, Ijaw, Opobo etc. But most importantly, at the time that this census was taken, the British were yet to conquer the Igbo land, there was nothing like Nigeria as we know it.

FreeStuffsNG:
By design and our upbringing, Lagos will welcome you with a warm embrace.

We are genuinely happy to see you flourish and prosper in Lagos. If our forebears didn't build it, you will not have a Lagos today and if they didn't raise us to welcome strangers, you will not call Lagos home. There are parts of your region who are hostile to visitors and don't even rent out land to strangers.

If you like ignore the reality that Lagos intentionally will never be for sale

Your forebears didn't build it, it was built first by the British who conquered and turned it into a colony, it was they who first modernized and named it Lagos, colony of Lagos.

ARISHEM:
No igbos there at that time. Now that they were invited they start to claim that it is no man’s land

It was Jakande that called it a No man's land. Unless you're trying to tell me that Jakande was an igbo man

Dogalmighty17:
So Hausa have looooong been indigenes of Lagos state. And they aren't making noise about it. They have every right to demand for a local government of their own in Lagos.

a good of the Hausas in Lagos and Yoruba land were slaves. They later gained their freedom through a revolt, and then a Brit, Glover, took them and reformed them into a militia which was instrumental in conquering Yoruba land and other colonial wars. The Nigerian military can be traced back to these Hausas who were known as "Glover's Hausa".

Emeskhalifa:
What's this sponsored bs?

Deliberately omitted the Igbos or what's this?

There's no omitting of the Igbo here, as at 1891 there was nothing like Nigeria, the Igbo were still yet to be conquered by the British, so there's no way you will see an igbo in Lagos at this time.

Ttalk:
Pls show me the population of the Igbo there or I won't accept it

Go and read a book and stop displaying your lack of historical education on here. As at 1891 there was nothing like Nigeria, the British have not yet conquered the Igbo land so There's no way an igbo would be in Lagos at this time.

Kingluqman:
Yeast nor dey this data

You people are just revealing how educationally malnourished you are. What is an igbo man doing in Lagos in 1800s when they were still fighting a colonial war against the British during that time? As at 1899 the British have yet to gain foothold on ìgbo land.
Go and read a book

Toluwanise247:
The igbo’s don’t exist then ?

Why are you people boldly displaying your lack of education on this site? Was Nigeria in existence in 1800s? What would an igbo man be doing in Lagos when they had just come out of a long war with the British? It was not until 1915 that the Igbo started moving to other parts of the newly created Nigeria charting new frontiers.

masterfactor:
The people that called LAGOS a no mans land was not even part of the Lagos right from inception. People from the south East has no history with people from the South West.

It was a Yoruba man that called it a No man's land.

epainos:
You are delusional. Keep forcing yourself on people who have rejected you. Your association with them doesn't affect other regions for good or for bad, and certainly doesn't affect me. My own people know their place in the Nigerian history. Hausa no marry Igbo? Yoruba no marry Igbo? Marriages among all tribes aren't the problem again. So, that point is out of it.

I am not speaking for others, but I can assure you that when the time comes which will be very soon cos Nigeria isn't sustainable with the way we run the government now....and Igbo tries to bully those people, dem go collect. So, keep living in your lost glory. The old eastern region is gone and gone for good. The era is gone finally and totally.

Just like the Benin people don't want Yoruba to dominate them which will not make them join South West.....Cross River, Akwa Ibom, and Rivers States will not join Igbo again. They have been shouting it from day 1.

I believe the north will accept its faith and leave out parts of Kwara, Kainji down to Jebba to Yoruba. Benin will not join Yorub and they are OK. Yoruba will not make any noise about it. But Igbo will always be stubborn. Dem say dem no want you...una wan force them. Una go collect..

You sre a tribalistic human. I wrote about Yoruba's case.....Hausa's case.....and Ibo's case.... yet you pick Igbo out. Help will find you. And this reason is why everyone is avoiding you and also rejecting and restraining you. Why? You are too forceful.

But I understand your bitterness towards the Yoruba people. But it is a fact that they will keep messing around with you and your people unless you change..

Good luck.

You are the one sounding delusionnal , always speaking for those who have never liked or Associated with you before. You people are always in the habit of deciding for the people of South South and telling them who they are and aren't, telling them who they should associate with and who they shouldn't. But in reality These people are very weary of you people and are aware of how deceptive you people are.

I stay in Lagos, and the Calabar people and Akwa ibom people here do not hide their disdain for your people, even one of them warned me to be careful of my association with the your people. They know you people very well, they know how you people like to sow enmity among friends and relatives.

Marriages is one thing, cultural association and similarities is another. The Igbo and Ibibio people share cultural similarities since they live very close to each other for millennias reason why they will always align with the Igbo than with even the Annang, same with the Efik.

I'm glad you know that you can't speak for others so Why bother? The Igbo have lived and shared boundaries with the Ibibio, Efik,Oron and Annang people for centuries without any major conflict between them, in fact, the ijebu and Egba, Egbado, Ọyọ and Ibadan people have fought more wars amongst themselves compared to Igbo and Ibibio, and These Tribes still hold resentment and animosity towards eachother so much that they don't marry themselves. But such a thing does not exist between the Igbo and their nextdoor neighbours, the same people who you claim don't want or like the Igbo. Quite ironic and somewhat hilarious to even think about.

We know you people and your tactics. Look at how you're on this thread crying for people who don't even like you in the first place. Trying to dictate to them whom they should associate with and who they shouldn't. Very funny set of people you guys are. Very divisive, cunning, hypocritical and two faced set of people.

You call me tribalistic but your comments are full of tribalism and bigotry. A pot calling kettle black.

Antivirus92:
What happened to our IGR

Snake swallow am

IJAYA001:
I believed omo yibbo will pay heavily with these hatred against their benefactors I swear.
Because you lost election, is that the end of your life, Awolowo lost all Federal election when this the same people was sharing power between North and dot in a circle republic, heaven did not fall.

You mean that the omo yibbo are the ones responsible for the severe hunger ravaging the land which has made Ogun people to start begging for leftover food from the South African team?

You can call them dot people or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that your people are seriously starving to death and see no shame in begging for leftover food from South Africans.

femi4:
We are talking about unrepentant terrorist

So the ones that came to peace talks brandishing all their weapons are repentant terrorists?

epainos:
How do you know Yorubas only say so? And how do you even know I am one? But I mentioned Benin not wanting to be with the Yoruba. Didn't you read that? The truth is in your face. Wike told igbos that he is not Igbo. Amaechi "whined" them, but later he said he isn't Igbo and only Saif that for politics. Calabar, Akwa Ibom, and the rest don't want Igbo...it is clear. No reason to tell lies. And Igbo cannot force it. Rivers won't hand over their oil if that is what Igbo wants. Lol.

A beg, don't let me sound tribalistic...I am just stating facts. Una see that of Igbo, but didn't day anything about the north and yoruba.

Because it is easy to deduce that from your comments. It is the same type of comments made by most Yoruba people on this site.
Whatever Wike and Amaechi said is inconsequential as long as the larger Ikwere people are concerned. The ikwere have been very open about their igboness and have warned against people like you trying to play divisive games on who they are.
Here is them declaring that they indeed are Igbo https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/02/group-says-indigenous-igbos-in-rivers-part-of-ndigbo-ethnic-nationality/
Besides it's really funny to read the divisive tactics by you Southwesters on this Ikwere issue while the current President of Ohanézè Ndị igbo is an Kwere man.

Ánd I'm sure you have never met an Akwa ibom or Calabar person in your life before otherwise you would have known that they share similar things in common with the Igbo and they mix very well. Go to Abia State, there's a place in Aba around Umuogele where you will find lots of akwa Ibom people who have mixed with the Igbo so much you will not even know whether you're in Akwa ibom or Abia State... I know that history was not taught to you in school, but the igbos and Ibibio, annang and Efik people have always intermixed via marriage, trade and culture pre colonial times and up till today. Animosity between the Ibibio, Efik, Oron, Annang people and the Igbos only exists on the minds of Southwesters, all these people will rather go with the Igbo than with the Yoruba or any of ethnicity across the Niger.

You people are the original " landlord travel and see"