₦airaland Forum

Nnamdipapa:
My submission is still valid. I have no business with the experience of the vast majority.

But it surprises me why Nigerians who once lived abroad have this sort of mentality - so far e no affect me directly, nothing concern me. How then do we get a country where things work for the vast majority of people?

Honestly, such a mentality is terrible and doesn't argur well for a group of people anywhere in the world.

ceejayluv:
That there is the difference in attitude between our leaders and Western/ developed nations' leaders.

Apparently, one doesn't have to be a leader to develop such an attitude. No wonder there is a big cultural gap between native citizens of developed countries and developing countries.

This development of a thing seems to be cultural than economic. Thus, some places would never become "truly developed".

Angelfrost:
That choice would be down to wealth and influence...!

Many people leaving the country and those living comfortably abroad would rather live in Nigeria if the country were even the way pdp left it in 2015.

Yet, there are poor people abroad, even poorer than Nigerians living in Nigeria, who won't want to live anywhere else other than their home nations even for more money.
I have said it time and again, that if insecurity wasn't as bad as it became under Buhari, up to half of those that have migrated, would still be here.

Also, should the economy be like that 2012/pre-2015, many Nigerians in the abroad would gladly return immediately. I said this to my friend in Canada who told me the weather in his region has been - 30 degree Celsius. Terrible! 5 degrees here and I'm not happy. Then na - 30

Heck, in the years leading to 2015, many Nigerians in the diaspora were returning en-mass - getting employed by thriving companies and setting up their businesses. Buhari and his crude supporters wrecked the country's economy and destroyed the social fabric.

luminouz:
Another rubbish from you....why am I not surprised??

Let's discuss this as adults. Where is the rubbish in my post?

- That men due to excess testosterone crave more sex than women
- Women are demisexual when compared to men
- Frequent sexual intercourse prevents prostate cancer
- Nigerian men in the abroad are dire need of sex than their women

Which exactly?

This is 2025, let's try to make our conversations more stimulating and broad-based. Thank you.

RodgersAkpafu:
We like this one leg in the west one leg in Africa thing that does not work and doesn't make sense

I agree that this is not feasible especially for older migrants as building any enterprise or career takes time. So dividing attention here and there with the aim to achieve greatness is very unrealistic. However, if home presents economic opportunities, I can understand why many want to partake in such. Also, we seem to love home very well and understand that being in the abroad is a means to an end, not the end. Maybe this could change for the present generation. My own is the weather. I no like winter environment.

We also like I better pass my neighbours mentality
That's why we are still struggling

as repugnant and terrible as Indians behave, and their yama yama cultural proclivities and lack of emotional intelligence in dealing with other groups, one thing I do give them credit for is their ability to pool resources together and practice delayed gratification

But that has come in part, at a cost of "slummifying" and "ghettorising" certain places

Also another major factor, but this can be mitigated within ethnic circles. It is unrealistic for every Nigerian to collaborate, but it is possible for those within ethnic groups to do the same. Humans are tribal. So members within an ethnic group should look out for the other. A reason behind the non-collaboration could because of the presence of blacks in the UK/general West. In regions with fewer black people, nobody go tell person to collaborate with the closest black person you see (provided cultural similarities are ironed out smoothly).

Is Peckham not the same as Brampton or Bradford?

hotwax:
Do the math, someone who earns 900k in Nigeria hardly spend 200k on bills.

If you earn 1,000,000 per month in UK, I can assure you are spending 800k on bills.

Rent (pro-rated), electricity bills, fueling, transport costs and health wouldn't gulp up to 200K for the typical ~1M naira earner in Lagos (where such salaries are possible)?

P.S. I've not mentioned school fees and family commitments as I assume a single person who earns such.

Factcheck0001:
dey play
If u get money for naija, naija too sweet especially if u dey south west with less security issue

Just have 1 or 2 functioning hotels or a farm with over 200 cows n u will know many are flexing

If I am able to arrange my farm well n balance everything within the next 3 years even if u want give

For dairy or beef?

How do you manage theft issues and employees attitude to work?

AllenSpencer:
Don’t let anybody lie you!

If you have saving and assets, sell it off and leave the country. Nigeria is heading nowhere.

I have a friend who sold all he has in Nigeria, and moved to the UK. He is currently changing diapers for adults and doing fine. Another one resigned from a bank in Nigeria and used all his assets and savings to Japa to US, hommie is currently lifting boxes at Amazon during the day and doing uber at night, and he is doing fine. You need to see their pictures on Facebook to confirm the big life they can afford.

You just need to be determined, in a space of 6 months , you should be able to recover all you sold in Nigeria.

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E go be ✌🏿✌🏿

She made sense about the cold and loneliness. But on the aspect of "paying bills", that happens everywhere. Adulthood is synonymous with paying bills. Someone who left Taraba to work in Lagos would say the same thing.

As Ednut stated, getting sex isn't hard for a Nigerian woman regardless of where she resides. In fact, this applies to ALL women. In the Nigerian case for those in the abroad, the men are even in dire need of sex than the women. The preek of the average Nigerian man, regardless of location, is the cheapest commodity to get.

There's a reason why compared to men, women are demisexual. It's men that need sex more than women due to excess testosterone and more so for black men as prostate cancer would be prevented.

Sterope:
When white people do it, no one talks about their whiteness
But minorities, that is all we shall talk about

And there are black people as foolish as Kemi, who will never mingle in her type of crowd justifying this trash. When a black guy from Nigeria stabs someone, rapes someone or scams someone, I hope you embrace that tag as well.

So because white people - owners of the land - do it, immigrants should do it as well? E don become something to emulate?

BTW, the biggest perpetrators of child molestation are white men and they are always paraded by the police. The question is: why are the authorities lenient on this specific issue?

jedisco:
Hehe. I don't agree the uninhabitable excuse is a fair let-off for Australia. Yes, large swathes of Canada are not suitable for habitation, same also Australia. Taking away these uninhabitable parts, Australia is still sparsely populated. The Brits were not worried about the amount of habitable land when they came over and the Australians media didn't have so many issues when it was Brits coming in. Most Brits I see have relatives resident in Australia or Canada- its normal for them and the Canadian or Australian media hardly complained about this.

Part of the human tribalism you mentioned earlier.

@Your picture, South Asia, especially India, and China no be here o. Remove Nigeria and Ethiopia, Africa isn't that densely populated. That said, coastal and mostly tropical areas win again.

Ndi TeamBabyMama, there you have it.

Nothing beats the two-parent household system.

jedisco:
A common narrative is how migration is the reason for the housing crises.

Nobody choruses that U.S is overpopulated yet they have about 330 million people. Australia with a landmass just slightly to the U.S only has 26 million inhabitants. Yet, it's immigrants that are to blame for house prices
Over 60% of Australians own their home. How many of them would not vote out a government that causes house prices to crash. Locals would block every house building initiative and turn around to blame migrants. Estate developers buy up and hoard land around cities and refuse to build. They'd call in land banking. They only build at the rate at which they can sell at their set prices. Same story in Canada and the UK.

The mortgage industry forms a bedrock of the economy of these nations. Imagine the economic output if quality houses could be built at scale. Jobs would be created, house prices and rents would become more affordable, gdp would rise and people would invest in other parts of the economy rather than buying up land. But no, everybody wants to secure their retirement and inheritance on the value of their home

To be fair to Australia, most of it is deemed unhabitable or economically dead. The same applies to Canada. And yes, I agree with the narrative that citizens, especially older ones, form NIMBY movements which restricts construction of newer houses. Suddenly everyone runs with the narrative that immigrants caused rents to increase.

Good to see that another Nairalander has agreed that humans are tribal in nature.

ednut1:
we are smaller in population and blacks usually spread out. In London there is Peckham for example, if there were 20 Peckhams all over the country they would put touch light there.

Another thing is many blacks are still poor or at par with the average whites. But many of the Indians and Pakistani are rich and own real estate. They have used their community might to systematically buy houses, gas stations , hotels, supermarkets etc. Na there the wahala dey. 😂

https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/indians-top-list-of-property-owners-in-london-report-article-115778354/amp

Kudos to them. But as someone who lived in the UK for a while where there are more Nigerians than elsewhere in Europe, why haven't we replicated the same? At least, amongst Nigerians before including other black Africans and the Caribbean? Is it because we still crave for home so we invest most of our assets in Nigeria rather than buying assets in the UK?

ednut1:
i lived close to a Pakistani community while i was in the UK over 18 years ago. If you mistakenly enter that area you would think you are in Pakistan . Once they target an area they would buy out all the white people there and make it a mini india or Pakistan. Can see the far right people coming for them in recent times

It seems a "little India or Pakistan" is worse than a "little Nigeria". If not, why are they not picking on on our people in the UK and other parts of the West? Could it be the smaller numbers compared to South Asians or the grave effect of being accused as racists owing to the global influence of African Americans?

tensazangetsu20:
Waiting for the haters and frustrated losers to come 😂😂😂

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You never cease to amaze me

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My leader! Always loyal to your gofment 🙌🏿

Long overdue! He ruined the country!

Typical leftist politician just as his counterparts in Germany and Chile.

Karleb:
As much as I hate what the guy did to folake, women still have faults in that.

They are there on social media telling stories of how their man chased them for years. Saying they want an intentional man. They even go as far calling anyone with a counter point a pick me or a misogynist. Men read this and they want to pattern their behavior after it because it's what ladies claim works.

Shameless men, you mean. If woman no like me, I no dey force myself. I cannot force a lady to a date. The annoying thing in OP's and many Nigerian men's own is wooing a lady privately, then insulting her publicly. I don't get it - this is someone you wanted to take out for a date and suddenly the same man displays anger towards the said lady.

My mantra has always been: if she says no, let her go. It is not by force.

The only time I put pressure is when money is involved. Why force a lady to a date that you are likely the biggest spender?

folake4u:
I usually don't give out my number to men I'm not interested in because I don't want wahala but if you insist on the premise that you won't disturb me (which I know is a lie), I'd give you so you learn lesson the hard way.

And to be honest, I'm exhausted when these same men don't get the handwriting on the wall that I'm not interested.

Pic: After this guy begged to have my contact, he's been disturbing me in my DM and calling at odd random hours. I finally had to spell it out to him yesterday that I'm not interested in him at all. I hope he gets the cue finally and leave me alone. I don't want to block anybody this year, the year still fresh.

Some men are so terrible. They lack self-respect, dignity and pride. I think the mentality of "press forward till she agrees" is the problem. If a lady says no or does not respond (after seeing the post), the best is to stop. Possibly, unfollow her and don't bother to comment on her posts.

As humans, we cannot always win.

ednut1:
If the man wins 2027 i go finally give up on Nigeria

Tinubu wey go rather commit suicide than lose the election while being an incumbent.😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Factcheck0001:
if he like make e go sleep for under bridge with agbero nothing for him

Suddenly this people want to whitewash d same man they cursed to suddenly become overnight Messiah

Mrvitalis abagworo n other Igbos that warned us then I know u will b somewhere fighting people for rejecting d man u warned them against now

We can't b fooled by your gaslighting

Ah!

Any sincere person has the right to question Obidients who changed tunes with the duration of a decade. How did he become good enough to become the president but he wasn't good enough as the governor of his state?

Nigerians, let's try to fear God small small

Kenn55:
ogress abi? But when you realize that your 300k can only buy 3 bags of rice, you begin to wonder if taking these stupid risks will be better in the long run.

Migration by study isn't cheap unfortunately. It used to be for the rich and upper middle class then but now every dick and Harry is now studying. I'm active in a Nigerian church in Ontario and I have seen a lot. The other day in church someone came to me with accommodation problem, I initially thought he hasn't seen anyplace to rent since he is just 1 month in the country. Luckily there was this lady
Even in normal times, depending on working as a student to live wasn't ideal not to talk of now. So the idea that someone will plan based on student job is so ridiculous to me but then maybe "God dey"

The bold is right. Just that migration via study has been the most dependable route to exit Nigeria, else many wouldn't have been able to do so. The scholarships are few and in-between, plus the cut-throat competition for them. The most hilarious are those who attempt to migrate as undergraduates using POF.

ednut1:
majority of the Nigerians that came via express entry from 2015 to 2022 already had good jobs/career in Nigeria . Papers for them/children, better standard of living etc was the main goal. Many of these people had houses , drivers and maid in Nigeria. If you come as a PR there is the option to return home and come back one or two years later ( soft landing).

Few months ago a guy was on this same thread complaining about his brother who was stranded/ homeless and was attending a non DLI schthings like “ You dont want me to come” “why are you still there” “you are selfish “ na to mind your business

The golden generation of migrants from Nigeria to the western world in a very long time.

ednut1:
This was mid last year. This friend of mine was trying to crowdfund the balance from other people. This are the kind of people that will still come here to cry. Another person that i advised to learn French is currently in the pool with a high scores. Student route especially to these mushroom diploma mills have casted yet people are still applying. Make nobody con stress me again o 😒😂

Curious, why do people still die put on top Canada matter upon all the news and videos?

90dbest:
Your number 9 is a big fat lie. Anambra has the cheapest house rent in urban areas in the whole federation. I mean quality house not face me and I face you. May be you didn't go through Onitsha .

Okay. Let's start with: how did you come to that conclusion? What made you authoritatively state that Anambra has the cheapest house rent in urban areas in the whole federation? Any study that published that result showing house rents in Awka, Onitsha and Nnewi are cheaper than in any urban area in Nigeria?

I read many people said it is necessary to own a gun as a priest in Owerri. When I say Imo state is gone and the only good thing from that state is the young, beautiful and succulent women, they say I am a liar.

This is a city where someone defended the notion that one-bedroom rent should be N1m+

No good and mid-high paying private sector jobs, but I should pay to live in a place where owning a gun is a necessity.

fred04:
Oga ,
Come to onitsha and see, if not for insecurity in Orsu LGA.
Yorubas are regarded as being the best in tailoring in these areas unlike in Aba.
They charge less and they deliver on time due to their numbers.
I saw one Yoruba tailor that have been in my village for decades some months back here in lag, omo d guy shock die .
What a small world. The insecurity in my village have really scattered everything for us.
He was a boss with over 15 employees but now is managing one small container shop as a result of insecurity in the East.

When I state that our elites should do better, dem go say I hate Nigeria. See how insecurity has ruined a hard working man's life for good! How does he re-arrange his life at a much older age?

Terrible!

Ebubu6:
This part is very very very correct. They manipulate the men with title-calling (odogwu) and Igbo man being proud and loud, the hailing of Odogwu swells his head and he empties his pocket for the woman. The Igbo woman's arrogance and over- petting is why theu have highest ratio of feminism movements and house-help beating in Nigeria. South South women and South West and Middle Belt Christians may want money, but they don't know how to skill-fully and craft-ly understand you to extract money from you.

Igbo women are too witty and crafty. You have to up your street-sense mode to better them in their game sense. If she leaves you for being "stingy", at least she left you with your money with you. If you spend on her and upgrade her with flashes of beauty skincare, clothing, schooling, the Igbo woman will become an upgrade, attract men better than you and still leave you for those men.

Apt! The men are to blame though. Igbo men cannot be the only group of Nigerian men who like their ego to be massaged. He just likes to spend money recklessly on women. They do the same in other African countries, then suddenly claim those women lOvE them. No woman hates a man who spends recklessly on her.

anonimi:
So banks are not the highest paying private jobs in Lagos

Not really. Other financial firms pay higher than banks; then there are oil companies, tech firms, global consulting firms and the likes.

90dbest:
stop comparing Lagos with those cities. There's nothing in Lagos in term of infrastructure to be compared with those world class cities.. Lagos is just over hyped urban slum. But average black man likes suffer ing and smiling. You need to travel around Nigeria to know how decayed Lagos is.

Trium is right - Lagos just like Mumbai is a financial district.

Whether the city's infrastructure is worth it or not does not matter - it is a financial district.

Lagos is decayed? In what sense, please? If Lagos is decayed, then other states are moribund! It seems you over-rate Nigeria's infrastructural developments o

90dbest:
Your number 9 is a big fat lie. Anambra has the cheapest house rent in urban areas in the whole federation. I mean quality house not face me and I face you. May be you didn't go through Onitsha .

This one hasn't been to Northern Nigeria.

The cost of living including house rent is generally lower in the north than in the south.

CaveAdullam:
Fact not fat.

Figures not figos.

Lol.

War against statistical misrepresentation.

Happy New Year, Chief.

"In God we trust; all others must bring data" - W. Edwards Deming.

Misinforming the public and misrepresenting statements on Obasanjo's Internet in 2025 is unacceptable. Someone has to do justice to this.

Happy New Year too.

Interesting thread.

I have two female friends who are teachers. One in Abuja and the other in Port-harcourt. Although, both don't teach mathematics, but I could sense from our conversations that they admit/know that math teachers earn the highest in the industry. My friend who got a fully funded master's scholarship to a Canadian university was an entry-level math teacher at one of the top secondary schools in the state where he earned the highest salary and got free accommodation. I once contracted a math tutor who taught at the same school and he attested that math teachers are offered preferential treatment and earn very well. Plus, they have side-gigs to earn more. Additionally, I recall a conversation I had with a lass who worked at a secondary school in Ikeja and told me that teachers with MSc earned 150K. But they weren't math teachers.

In summary, no good and qualified (relevant certifications) math teacher in Abuja should earn less than 150K per month as an entry-level staff.