₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
Climate and geography have direct effects on development and civilization.

The Guns, Germs and Steel ideology by Jared Diamond? It has been demystified several times. I am surprised someone who opposes Donald Trump because he "is a racist" would propagate the ideology of Diamond whose critics have said his writings promoted a Eurocentric bias.

Dancebreaker:
Enjoy your tour, dude.

Sure, CH is very expensive but pay is good too.

Apart from skiing I can't remember anything exciting about Switzerland. Social life is quite dull. Their version of Deutsch is even less appealing than Austrian version. I thought Bavarian was terrible compared to Hochdeutsch but CH one takes the biscuit.

This is a common complaint from non-Europeans including Americans. I don't know about Canadians, but the cultural behaviour of the Swiss differs significantly from other people. Just as humans as different, so are their social practices. So, it is not surprising you found Switzerland to be boring. Mainland Chinese find Singapore (full of Chinese) to be dull as well but prefer Thailand and Malaysia.

Your colourful description of Nigeria is understandable but how have we the 35 to 60 years bracket done better as citizens than our father's generation?

Agreed. It calls for retrospection.

redcliff:
E reach to degrade so that una wey think day u dey inside heaven inside your "furnished luxury 3 bedroom" apartment will demand more from the people you vote into power

This is true because you have properties going for hundreds of millions of naira in places with no standard drainage systems, no piped water, mosquitoes everywhere and untarred roads. Living in a developed world has made me realise most of what we term "luxuries" aren't luxurious in the real sense of it. The other day on TwitterNG, I saw a Telsa Cybertrunk being driven on untarred roads in Ibadan. That is a "luxurious lifestyle".

I have yet to even see it all, but I strongly doubt anything "luxurious" in Nigeria would move me again.

deenee:
You are also part of tbe problem. I don't even live in Nigeria but I won't degrade my country of birth.

Again there is absolutely no reason for the poster to degrade Nigeria. He isn't even Nigeria by birth

The irony is the same Nigeria yall are degrading is a fertile land of opportunity for others. Isn't it ironic that the Chinese Indians and Lebanese have all taken over manufacturing in Nigeria? What magic wand do they have that we don't ?

Furthermore, it is ironic how you have decided not to partake in these fertile opportunities even with your private equity experiences from New York and the likes. I am curious, why is this so? I recall how you demystified private equity here and defended the Dangote refinery even with the ill-reports against the facility.

See here: https://www.nairaland.com/957072/private-equity-de-mystified

Someone I know sold his flourishing packaging business to a Lebanese before Covid and relocated. The Lebanese man has grown the business 5 fold and even exports to 3 other west African countries while my friend is struggling to do three jobs to pay rent.[quote]

What visa/migration path did he follow? To which country?

I wonder what goes in the heads of men who sell off their established businesses to migrate only to suffer afterwards.

Suicideboy:
cape verde is the equivalent of Switzerland for Africans

lol

Not the Bahamas or even the Cayman Islands?, but a place where biracial folks are placed above black residents? What is even in Cape Verde sef?

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BTW, It is high time one tells you that 95% of your posts are very nonsensical!

Godblessme1:
Oga that na for your pocket.
All this charlatans in abroad always come online to talk rubbish, since life is fair to you enjoy it without forcing it on us. The best Way is for all Nigerians to look for a way to make this country better, if all Nigerians follows this your mindset it means over 200M million Nigerians will have to leave this space and move to abroad. That can never happen because over 80 percent can't even afford to buy air ticket to Ghana. Since life has been fair to you, all you've to do now is to pray for Nigeria. Don't come online and tell us that we're stupid to still be in Nigeria.

I understand your annoyance with how OP crafted his post. However, the reality is that someone with an open mind who leaves Nigeria to live for a short period of time in developed countries or places where the system works would be angry with the state of Nigeria. Nevertheless, that is not necessarily a place to "curse" Nigeria, but ponder why our case is different. I say this because as much as Switzerland is highly developed, black people don't have an equivalent. Chinese do, so do the Japanese and Koreans. Even Arabs now do in the place of Dubai.

That should be the focal point: how come others have a functioning enclave of theirs, but we don't?

P.S. Enclave should have at least 5 million residents before someone mentions Botswana and Barbados to me. 🙄

zackmann:
I've been to a lot of countries, and I must say that the cost of living in Switzerland is really high. The and I must confess that Nigeria is a sh*thole. This is actually an understatement. If there was a worse word to use to attribute Nigeria, I'd have used it. Once I'm done with my travels, I'm permanently relocating to a European country. I'm just using this medium to gather my facts first, before making a final decision.
I'm an American citizen by birth, but I've not lived there for 2 straight years; I've been on and off. America is kinda cool, but I've no interest in living there permanently. UK and Canada are for introverted people, in my own opinion. Right now, I'm thinking of maybe Sweden or Germany for permanent relocation. I was forced to learn Deutsch, because I studied in Germany from 2016-2022; before relocating back to Nigeria, to handle my Dad's businesses. I learn languages fast, but it took me 6 months to almost perfectly learn Deutsch language. I now speak English, French, Spanish, Deutsch, Latin, and a little bit of Hebrew. I'll be posting more with time. Merry Christmas in advance guys.

I am curious, why do you want to live in those European countries (they have fewer black people/less diverse) since your dad has his businesses and you have a strong passport already?

Your language learning talent is great! To further test this talent, try learning Japanese or Chinese next. You have covered Latin/Roman/Germanic languages. Try East Asian languages.

Regarding the cost of living, obviously, Switzerland is notoriously expensive. It is one of those elite of the elite countries in the world. Very few countries, even developed peers, come close to it. From the immigration system/policies (permanent residency takes a minimum of 12 years for those with African passports), housing, the calibre of jobs, salaries (one of the highest globally), breadth of industries, universities' ranking and currencies. It is a country that is a replica of heaven. If there is heaven on earth, that is Switzerland. Everything is ELITE. For instance, in the breadth of industries: Switzerland dominates in luxury goods, especially watches and jewellery, commodity trading (pays one of the highest salaries in the world with extremely humongous bonuses. Only the oil industry comes close. Tech no reach o. That tells you the nature of the industry. Only the hedge fund and quant trading industries pay higher than the industry. By earnings, I mean salaries and bonuses. Then you have private banking. Although, this is now competitively fought for by its Asian counterparts - Singapore and Hong Kong.

Someone mentioned up there that Hong Kong is expensive, which is true, but only in housing. Singapore, too is also costly, especially in housing and owning a car. However, they benefit from being surrounded by Mainland China and Southeast Asian countries. As a result, food isn't so expensive provided you eat like the locals. Also, salaries aren't too high ACROSS ALL industries because of abundant labour from the Philippines, Indonesia and the like. That is where Switzerland beats them and creates the heaven-like environment such that a cashier at McDonald's or a watch apprentice earns very comfortably by world's standard. Also, this is protected by the tight immigration policies which unlike Hong Kong and Singapore are lenient in certain industries. Hong Kong and Singapore, especially the latter, protect skilled jobs from outsiders. Swizterland protects all. The folks who can easily or "quickly" break into the Swiss labour market are EU citizens or non-EU professionals with many years of cognate and quality experience.

There you have it. Enjoy heaven while on earth!

RodgersAkpafu:
Maybe black in skin only....

Going off script for a bit...
What are your thoughts on a link sent to me by someone as below: https://youtube.com/shorts/sEltUOeBIMs?si=nZgPZCJ0dxqRu5Nq

She is right and it seems Korea is more extreme than Japan these days. Koreans who lived outside the country, especially in the US, would find it hard to fit into Korean society. That is how East Asia is. Japan can be the most "liberal" amongst the trio. China is in the middle. Korea is the most extreme. In every con you hear about East Asia, Korea is the number one.

East Asia is not for liberal folks.

ednut1:
because they have seen people with better profiles who came and filled asylum or never went back. There are people who have houses in lekki but filed asylum in USA. These things are also at the discretion of the visa officer, another visa officer may have granted it

Sorry, but why would a SANE person do such?

MVLOX:
Like I already observed you are an illiterate who thinks too much of himself.... I bet you don't have a wife talk more of children, so you just blab make loud sounds like an empty vessel.....

I am not your preek who went on having sex with his wife and resulted in twins even when HE knows clearly that the economy isn't favourable to him. Am I the one who said you should get married? Have more children?

A school mate of mine who is experiencing the Tinubulation had another child FOUR YEARS after the first. Your own never even hit five years old, you scored TWO GOALS!

How is that my fault? Now, you go on to blame an innocent Tinubu, wealthier than both of us, who has four children.

As others have stated, the "Emmanuel" is fictitious as any SMART Emmanuel should have done ICAN instead of an MSc - which as an accountant - should ONLY be done if one is going into academics or just like book too much.

[quote author=Flangelo12 post=133349624][/quote]Those are not accountants. Every company needs an accountant. The entry level pay is low, quite alright, but the demand is there. In the US, the demand is so high, that the regulatory authorities reduced the qualifying requirements to become a CPA after graduation.

RodgersAkpafu:
how many people make it to the Big 4

In 2016, after the recession orchestrated by Buhari, PwC employed less than 70 graduate trainees. In 2017/18 (not too sure of the year), more than 70K people applied to PwC's graduate trainee program. The hiring numbers increased due to the Canada exodus soon after COVID.

Kelechi009:
Family planning actually does fail according to an NHS Uk website https://www.nhs.uk/contraception/choosing-contraception/how-well-it-works-at-preventing-pregnancy/, it's Perfect use 91 to 99%, the last resort is to abort the child under 8 weeks. This man in particular will have this issue happen over & over again, he will end up with 10 children in 10 years.

So, what do you recommend to Mr MVLOX who blames Tinubu rather than his preek?

maternal:
What is a normal immigrant job ? Either way, Nigerians came to Canada to pay their bills and live a normal life. The question is, why couldn't this drug addict do the same ? He's not even in Canada which blows my mind.

Damn!

So, why is he so authoritative on the topic?

I don't know why, but anything "agent" and "visa" always sounds somehow to me.

MVLOX:
I thought I as talking to a reasonable and sensible person at first but obviously you are not.... Anyways we didn't plan for the twins.... Family planning had other plans for us.....

You had TWO YOUNG CHILDREN. It is not like you did not have a child...you had two already in KINDERGARTEN.

Family planning is no excuse. Sorry, I am harsh, but you know your financial situation better than anyone here. So, why worsen it? Was Nigeria better under Buhari? How is it Tinubu's fault that you sought more children under your present financial condition?

JaskanFactor:
you should be running for your life not settling down to make babies.
They have already sent the message that this is only thier world now, not for everybody.
By the time your nation has civil servant terrorists and you still dont get the message.
Only them are allowed to have children now, not you.
The world ended for normal people when they lined up the population to take the jab.

Thy telling you in everyday they can that the show is over tribulation style, and youre still settling down making babies.
This must be the thin line between duty and selfishness, bringing children to a government with terrorists inside, who has already lined up the population to take depopulation jab.

All over the world people are fleeing to the mountains building bunkers etc.
The only people allowed to settle down and build family now is them, not you, unless you hate your child or you want to give birth to someone you can use as house help. The child you love more than yourself no longer belongs here, thats only for then now.

THat is why you cannot afford diper as they slowly boil the frog, you think they playing cause the water is just warm for now. The world ended for normal people when they rolled out that jab

Bros,

This your logic again. So what do you say about Russia and China who had a different vaccination programme compared to the rest of the world? Notwithstanding the vaccination programme, Africa's birth rate is still the highest globally. The world is going to be blacker with Indians in second position.

MVLOX:
Me self dey under this kind pressure..... My last set of children are twins and I spent almost 20k alone on their diaper monthly. That's minus food oooo and other expenses oooo plus I already have 2 sons before who are already in kindergarten. So it's not easy. For salary that is about 100k plus.... I really feel bad for about people way never start this parenting business oooo but it is quite obvious things won't get better

Since you already had two children who are so young as they're in kindergarten, why go ahead to have more children? Na una dey do unaselves.

Was Nigeria better under Buhari? So why worsen things for yourself going forward?

AcadaWriter0:
I am a person from a rural village, and I don't understand why many people are encouraging him not to return to the village. Most people in Lagos live challenging lives, waking up at 4 AM and spending long hours in traffic, dealing with noise and air pollution. How do you even manage to live in such an environment? Going back to the village will be a decision you won't regret.

Have you read their responses which make economic sense? Since he stated online business, which Internet speed in his village surpasses what he gets while in Lagos?

Omoawoke:
That’s our Kemi!!
Who exactly is the fool?
Someone who did not bother to check his history and swallowed without a single thought all that was fed to him through indoctrination from birth? You are the biggest fools to ever exist in and out of the galaxy.

Your Jesus is white, your Mohammed is Arab, but you curse your ancestors as evil, yet you are a replica of your ancestors.
Claim Abraham and Noah and Judah from now till the world ends as your ancestors, you will forever remain a black slave who look nothing like them.
You justify your colonization and slavery and thank them for enslaving you. You and your likes are irredeemable fooolllsss

Before they brought their religion to colonize you, we knew God already in Africa. They took your own from you and gave you theirs to control your head. Centuries later, you are still here talking trash. And you open your dirty mouth to call someone a fool for not following your delusions ? How dare you!

Interesting screenshot you have there. Full letter here: https://www.fafich.ufmg.br/~luarnaut/Letter%20Leopold%20II%20to%20Colonial%20Missionaries.pdf

cc: IbeOkehie What do you have to say when I say colonialism has done us bad over the years? This is a letter from a man who plundered Congo and butchered Congolese.

atoliman:
They do not know at all, they exploited and still exploiting Nigeria. None of their former colonies are doing so well..

This is a terrible lie! Almost all Anglophone colonies are doing well compared to their Spanish or French counterparts. In Africa, the wealthiest countries are Anglophones. Anglophone hubs in Asia are also doing well aside from the Philippines which had a Spanish colonial experience. Aside from Guyana (the oil discovery will change everything soon), Anglophone colonies in the Caribbean are doing pretty well compared to Haiti.

tensazangetsu20:
He’s an apc supporter that wishes all Nigerians abroad are suffering and doing low level jobs 😂😂😂😂. I work in a state bank on a student visa and also work remotely for an American automotive manufacturer. 😂😂 suck on my cock motymop

I should have known this ab initio.

Na me fvck up!

If you are 30+ or almost 30, it is the signs of the time. You are becoming older.

That said, try to eat before 9pm as it is medically advisable. I know it is not easy, but it would reduce the tiredness and prevent potbelly.

motymop:
With the way the Japanee society is organised, i find it hard to believe

You don't live here. I do.

As for the rest of your post, choose whatever to believe. If not for privacy purposes, I would have dropped the LinkedIn profiles of countless Africans who work for TRADITIONAL Japanese companies. You can take up the challenge if you wish to - LinkedIn should be accessible wherever you are.

Experiences I live and people I have met and talk with na eim I wan lie with?

Believe whatever you want to. My inner joy is that there are persons who know me off Nairaland, so I if lie, they would easily burst it.

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And lastly, your friend is not telling the truth, no one with years of expereince will believe your friend, a student in Japan got a $100K remote job, nobody will beleive him, even in the US, a $100k job are top earners in the 1% and you need years of expereince to get that talkless of a student.

So my guy wey we live for the same dormitory, had a first class from a federal university and worked for two notable tech firms in Nigeria before getting the MEXT scholarship is lying? Offer wey I see? House for Kyoto wey I visit? Chai! I don suffer for Nairaland no be small

I recall you were the one who doubted Tensa20 $10K per month earnings. Now, I see your disbelief.

Anyway, Have a great day.

motymop:
i never said there are no Nigerians doing well career wise in canada

As far as i am concern, it is harder for Nigerians to move up the corporate world in Canada, yeah, there will be 1 or 2 Nigerians in high ranking positions in the corporate world and also in politics but events like that are exceptional cases, they rarely happen.

Nigerians started moving en-mass to Canada in less than a decade. Let's give it time compared to the Chinese or Indians. With the experiences of those two groups, let Nigerians band together to uplift themselves in the Canadian society. One is by being entrepreneurial - building sustainable businesses and owning properties. I was told by a colleague who lived in Canada that the Chinese control Vancouver in such a way that a child could grow up speaking only Chinese and working in Chinese-owned enterprises.

So, Canada is very new compared to the UK with its long history of Nigerian migrants or the US, especially in the second generation. Compared to the Indians, we have performed poorly considering we speak English. This makes us different from the Chinese.

The guy you quoted didnt say he wanted Nigerian immigrants to visit home frequently, he wrote about the affordabilty, that only 1-2% of Nigerians living abroad can afford to buy a ticket back home, he is actually correct.

Or probably because they find other places worth visiting rather than Nigeria? There are no numbers to validate such a claim. To state such, we have to consider when these Nigerians emigrated, their residence statuses in their new countries and how long they have lived there. Also, and most importantly, the path through which they emigrated. If most emigrated via visit visa, then yes, they would perform poorly and wouldn't be able to afford to visit home.

But again, we should compare to other groups of migrants, how many Indians, Chinese and Filipinos have the wherewithal to visit their home countries frequently? If the numbers are low, then it means immigrants don't bother to visit where they left off.

if we look at the bigger pictures, majority of Nigerians abroad are poor and average according to the standards of the country where they reside, less than 1% are doing well but these minority are the ones who make the news.

This depends on the country, when they migrated and the path of migration. The Canadian model pre-COVID selected Nigerians. The US' GRE/postgraduate model also selects Nigerians.

Your narrative should be towards Nigerians in the UK rather than Canada.

it is just how things works everywhere.

So, it is not a Nigerian issue then. After all, the elite and upper-middle-class Nigerians are a minority in Nigeria.

motymop:
whataboutism.

The discussion is about Nigerians and canada not white in singapore or black people.

How is whataboutism when there are both immigrants in faraway countries? Are you implying no Nigerians are doing well (career-wise) in Canada? Although, Canada has an issue with country-specific qualifications and experience, but that applies to everyone.

That said, the person I quoted wants Nigerian immigrants to visit home frequently whereas the term - immigrants - means they would likely domicile in their new countries, at least for a long period of time, rather than move back to their home countries. There are many Nigerians in the Atlanta area and Texas. How many times have they visited Nigeria? Does this mean those who don't do so are doing poorly?

motymop:
yeah! it is not necessarily country but a skill issue
why don't you go to japan with your skills and make it. you have no idea about the language, so how do you expect to sell your skill in a country that speak no English and do not accept foreigners. what that white guy achieved in Japan, with only his Japanese degree is more than the achievements of many qualified blacks in japan especially those ones from Africa.

There are countless Africans who have good jobs here based on their skills and backed with experience from their home countries. A few don't even speak Japanese at all. But they have good jobs.

I am the one who works for a multinational company based on my skills from Nigeria and it is the white guy who is heading back to the US because he lacks the skills. In fact, an Indian who works for a tech company was in our midst - someone who just came in two months ago and does not understand a sentence in Japanese. But hey, he works for a tech company and got subsidised housing. The white guy lacks both.

Skill issue, not country. All your talk about white being preferred takes the back seat when it comes to skills and making money. Capitalism is indifferent about the colour of one's skin provided the job can be done by a qualified person.

many of the qualified africans will end up working in factories while the white guy with only a japanese degree will be their boss.

I have seen this scenerio many times.

To be honest, any African who works in factories either lacks the skills or the appropriate working visa. To even obtain the right work visa to work in factories, one has to speak Japanese. This means a Chinese or Vietnamese will oversee a white man. Here, your skills and language take you farther than just the language. The white guy complained about lacking the former while having just the latter. That was the point I was making.

On freelancing sites, a white or asian guy from china or japan will earn *10 more than an african with the same skills and qualification, that is how it also plays in real life.

Again, I have seen cases where skill oversees the colour of one's skin. My friend who works in Kyoto and lives very comfortably (poor Japanese proficiency) had the opportunity of getting a $100K per annum remote job while as a student but his lack of the appropriate visa (permanent residency/spousal visa) fumbled everything.

Skills, not skin colour.

dapoRead:
The truth of the matter is, every December you see like just 1 to 2 percent of Nigerians abroad returning home to celebrate and spend money that most of them don't have, many have been saving and out of all the 100% abroad, only 2 percent even have such luxury of returning home to celebrate with their love ones. The remaining 98% simply cannot cough out the ticket money let alone money left to spend in Nigeria to rearrange themselves. I know many of them that have hooked up, they cannot cough out 2000 USD at any given time. Once you Japa, it is TRAP, if you manage to Japada and resettle in Nigeria. Those are the smartest ones. Those ones that hooked, omo you are OYO. taken so much from us.

This is true, but it also applies to all sorts of immigrants: most emigrated for economic reasons and any remainder. They settle there and seldomly visit their home countries. It is not a Nigerian or black person concept. There are whites in Singapore who live there for a long time but visit their home countries once in a while. Also, another factor is the reason the person relocated. Expecting diasporans to ALWAYS visit home is very unrealistic.

descarado:
I like him cos he is a man with Asperger syndrome that excelled. Recently, more awareness is being promoted by the govt where I live to educate the public about how to live with people like Elon and some others that have challenging behaviour and Elon's name is always mentioned. People with challenging behaviours look up to him. I've been in a training where autistic and other challenging behaviour people are the trainers( yes, you can only know more about them from them) and ther is this particular autistic guy that love Elon so much. He type of autism is diff from Elon but he said he aspire to make a difference like Elon and he is doing that as a teacher and team leader.
Many don't even know Elon has issues but if you watch his interviews and know about these stuffs, it's all there.

No wonder he cannot construct a full categorical paragraph during interviews without issues. He cannot be a politician at all. Nonetheless, I respect and admire his technical attitude because without them, to manage many companies as a CEO go hard.

IbeOkehie:
I love the Trump & Republican gain among Blacks, from 2016 they DOUBLED their share of the Black vote to around 15%. So much for racism. The vote in California, Illinois and New Jersey is a sign of the times. California had the BIGGEST RIGHTWARD SHIFT in the country. Anyone can go online and check the news. Ten counties in California flipped from Democrat to Republican. The biggest concerns in Cali were immigration and crime.

They voted out TWO Democrat big city District Attorneys (Los Angeles & Oakland) who were soft on crime. The one in Oakland initially declined felony charges for several Black teens who had a street shootout among themselves and murdered a 2 year old Asian kid !!!! Even till today she still refused to apply full charges.

California LEGALIZED shoplifting and theft. It took a REFERENDUM to make it a crime to steal something worth less than $1,0000. And the Governor opposed the referendum. It's insane. Why would anyone vote for people who push those policies? Nonsense.

Damn it! This is something I have thought about for more than two years: Why do liberal parties condone crime and criminals? Why are they lenient in enforcing laws on criminals? Why are they weak when dealing with people who constitute a nuisance in society? Why do they call the bluff of those who are worried about the rise in criminal activities?

Can't they sit and ask themselves why voters in hitherto liberal strongholds voted against their party? Isn't this something to worry about? These people lack introspection and it is worrisome because they are arrogantly stubborn! If not, tell me how it is right for a governor to oppose a referendum by residents to criminalise THEFT? Funny enough, they own guns to oppose thieves, but they vote for a party that wants to take away people's guns and pampers criminals. Just as they scream for open borders, but would oppose Fulani herdsmen settling in their communities.

I have noticed it amongst all liberal parties in the West: one common thing is their love for criminals and weak law enforcement.

God forbid I reside in a place where they form the majority of voters.