₦airaland Forum

RodgersAkpafu:
"we won't even open the doors for u"

in a country that you share citizenship in
This fellow is very very super deluded

abeg I no wan laugh abeg

I was shocked by that statement. Well, it is part of the reason I am blind to racism and so-called discrimination against Nigerians outside Nigeria. Nigerians do worse to their fellow citizens.

casualobserver:
Focus on your own land and let the people of Lagos determine who is a foreigner to them.

them. In your ignorance you don’t seem to understand the difference between Lagos the federal territory and Lagos the state.

I find your post very interesting. If you are so much against non-Yorubas moving to Lagos and the wider South West enmass, why not push for the division of Nigeria? That way, you can even sponsor a bill in the National Assembly in Oduduwa nation to explicitly bar Igbos. Malays in then Malaysia did it by expelling the Chinese majority Singapore. Both nations trade together today but have full control over their borders and general immigration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore#History

I would be amongst the first to support an independent Yoruba nation. Honestly, I believe the new country would do well, especially with the breadth of its diaspora.

RodgersAkpafu:
This man is very funny
Immigrants from messed up states like Ogun, Kwara, Kogi and Osun will move to lagos and now be claiming "hosts"

Thank God the FCT was moved to Abuja, if not who knows what would have happened today with this whole ronu nonsense

White man dey do white supremacist (which is moronic) , Yoruba immigrant from sheethole states wan follow do Yoruba supremacy too?

Wonders shall never end lol .

What's even more funny is that if the "outsider" voting block was the reliable voting block of the APC (who are the architects of these ronu nonsense), and the other group were anti apc, the climate would have been very diff...
Una go get sense las las

That goes to show Mr Causal hypocrisy. To think that Igbos bring better cultural ideologies to any place than the other major group of which I wouldn't mention its name. The examples abound across Nigeria: outside the Lagos issue, other Nigerians know who they'd rather choose to have live amongst them.

RodgersAkpafu:
I mean
Most streets of the UK are safe. even at night.

Some parts of London, not so much, but it's more of an economic deprivation issue than ethnicity issue, because London crime is to minorities what Blackpool crime is to white deprived boys left behind

Western Leaders should stop playing to the gallery and address the elephant in the room. which is declining living standards everywhere
When living standards decline, all these craziness results
Even in the strictest of countries. Once the economy goes in free fall, everything goes to shyte

Western elites should admit it and let go of their arrogance: the era of Western economic dominance is coming to an end. Europe don enter gbese. Fight its biggest consumer then alienate its biggest energy supplier. Add an aging population (who would pay taxes to fund new developments and maintain the infrastructure?) and it becomes worse. To exacerbate the issue, the closest continent is the world's poorest. Unlike South East Asia to China, where would the EU find young consumers to patronise its products and services?

I predicted everything here: https://www.nairaland.com/7801886/multipolarism-versus-hegemonism-great-power

I should become a pastor by now sef.

Belgium comes to mind here
But it seems that the political class is in bed with the oligarchy to screw everybody else, and the result will continue to be people yearning for far right lunatics to lead them (who clearly don't have the solutions)

That's the intriguing thing about it. People lampoon China and the CCP, but the CCP would never sacrifice economic prosperity for ordinary Chinese above an elite class of people. Chinese or better still East Asian elites are way more pragmatic than their Western counterparts. The economic livelihoods of your citizens, especially ordinary males, MUST come first before any other group of people.

essentialone:
Blessed are those who have no daughters. For they will never be disgraced publicly.

No difference from yahoo boys who commit murder and dirty acts like eating faeces. It is the Nigerian society, not a gender issue.

ednut1:
Copied people like beyonce and serena williams . To be it’s nothing but trash, if you must do it let it be for private consumption

I remember an old man's tweet. "Those days before you saw a woman's inner flesh, you had to beg and only a glimpse was shown. But these days, I see a full nak£d woman. I am glad to be alive in this century".

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A pregnancy shot has never made sense to me. Not today, not tomorrow, not anytime soon. To think that this is the first time I am seeing Serena's bare yansh. Not on the tennis court but Nairaland.

IbeOkehie:
This is one of the reasons why 45% of Hispanic electorate voted for Donald Trump. They recognize that Anglo-Saxons just have a knack for creating prosperous, inventive, high-trust societies with high HDI. Whatever that instinct is, it must be preserved, it must be defended...no matter the cost!

I remember walking around 3am to a faraway convenience store, I saw young folks walking and riding bicycles late in the night. Gisting, smoking, drinking etc., with no problem. The convenience store I initially went to couldn't process the transaction I desired only for a 19 year old Japanese male who suggested walking me down to another store that processes the transaction. I told him clearly "If there is anything you would do as a Japanese to ensure your country remains as safe as it is, do it"

sharone21:
Nigerians have little knowledge about the place which I noticed.

Safety, peace of mind, enough food, affordable, constant electricity is paramount especially as he works online.....Better than the nearer Cotonou or Togo.

The choice is his eventually.

Yes, after seeing OP's post further, it makes sense to live in those countries as a digital nomad. He mentioned how police stopped him for no just reason. A popular entrepreneur on Facebook just lamented how her driver was arrested for no reason whatsoever. To think that the same woman criticises people who japa. well well well.

Phyde:
Mauritius is another coded paradise on earth but around August to October, the way they sending Nigerians back at the port of entry is scary after wasting money for flight and hotel booking. If you want to try your luck, book a 5 star hotel in advance, to and fro ticket, hold enough travelling allowance, dress properly and prepare to answer questions at the port of entry. . Just a stamp on your passport when you arrived. Still search for Nigerians in Mauritius group on Facebook for more recent updates. Someone over there told me 2 weeks ago that they have slowed down a bit in deportation.

I am dead sure those people won't return after their "visit visa" expires. This is assuming the visas are authentic in the first place. Mauritius is not a place to hustle o.

You don't need visa to enter Mauritius

No wonder. I pity any country that allows Nigerians ease of access to its territory.

RodgersAkpafu:
To think that there is so much cultural similarities between the diff ethnic groups in Nigeria

Yet someone is still playing host vs settler
Rada rada oshi

That is another salient point. Lots of cultural similarities amongst various ethnic groups in the country. Our major problem is poverty, nothing else. As for Mr Causal, his honesty is appreciated. It is better to have more of his kind who say as it is.

RodgersAkpafu:
We are saying the same thing
But maybe u r not getting my point

Lemme give you an example
Do you know how many judges in America (especially female ones, white) that was caught on "hot mic" saying racist shyte about black people ?
What do you think the fate of a black man will be in that court ?

What about police setting people up?
It's documented

White supremacists use these institutions to show the "others" who is boss.

How many times have white people falsely xalled the police to accuse black men of stuff they never did,

My Man, look at these things from a multidimensional lens o
Not just one corner

But what happens in say America for example is something else

Agreed. The whole picture is needed.

casualobserver:
France are on their knees, they a nasty people but they have industries, they have investment funds, they have expertise and we need those. They are also desperate and we are not a colony desperate for independence that will or rather should take bad deals from the French.
I assume you meant we “were” better off?

Both "were" and "are".

RodgersAkpafu:
liberals are right

sometimes these measures are used as dogwhistles by the far right to do racist things

So a balance is needed
Stringent rules, but not used as a tool to be racist
I am the opposite
I can't live amongst conservatives far right nut jobs

That's why I live in the "red wall" area of Britain
Hasn't voted Conservative in 100 years
And we are doing fine

Yes, the rules are stringent. However, if the biggest group of rule breakers are Pakistanis and Nigerians, how is the rule racist? Why should it be looked at in such a way? Following rules is not a fun exercise, but for the sake of a functioning society, everyone needs to follow them. If the biggest breakers are Pakistanis and Nigerians, you punish them appropriately, not bending it because of their skin colour.

RodgersAkpafu:
and casualobserver is a tribalistic motherfvkerrr
I said I'll add that

Gerra.rd59 imagine him bringing lagos into the mix

Lagos that has always been a shytehole
especially under criminal Tinubu

Okay, immigrants are bad and yoruba good

Why is ibadan, akure, ado ekiti, abeokuta and sagamu also sheetholes?

Or immigrants ruined that place top?
If anything, immigration is contributing to Lagos
Many people who come here build up here and are net contributors

Mugu thinking he is funky

I know that and saw it too but overlooked it.

I have come to realise that every human is tribalist/racist. But I prefer the racism of the white, Chinese and Japanese men. They developed their homelands with that racism. Also, they are wealthy on a global level. The worst form of discrimination is when it is done by poor people. Nah! One cannot be poor on a global scale and be a crude tribalist/racist at the same time. That is witchcraft.

RodgersAkpafu:
Though @casualobserver raised salient points as well Gerrard59

Bur that's a small angle to the picture. To add to what he said
the one that worries me very much is the number of immigrants driving on the road without passing their license tests here. I have almost been hit twice because a pakistani bastard cab driver ran a red light and almost hit me. The two cases were pakistani
Nigerians are doing same.I know two doing it. and I wished I could cast them...
That anyhow culture is a big issue I won't deny
it's a legitimate worry. Thank God for strong institutional framework in this country that keeps handing punishments
It needs to be toughened for sure

When this happens and immigrants or non-whites are the biggest culprits, Ndi lovey-dovey will scream that those laws are racist. Just as they scream that math is racist in California simply because the biggest scorers are Asians.

So-called liberals have an issue with laws governing a society. I dread to live in a society that has them as the majority.

bolu96:
I understand you very well. I share your sentiments as well. I preach it to every students around me. The first nairalander I followed was xfire.. I think he has deactivated now but I read his thread(2014) on career, they were so valuable. He had the same regret as you finishing extremely close to a first. If you check my earliest posts, you'd see my comments on it. Jar.us made a first too(4.57). It was why I followed him. I'm currently in school( went back) in my 3rd year, CGPA is above 4.0+, my chances of making a first is very slim. I'd need to do extremely well this session and next to stand a great chance.

Oh Xfire! Man, you took me a long way back. I read his thread and downloaded the PDF file after the Nairaland hack in 2014. I still remember Xfire's number one mistake students make in not achieving first class: womanising. See why I said I sacrificed a lot?

Do permutations and combinations, but try to hit 5.0 across the remaining semesters. That way, even if you don't attain first class, you did your best, especially on the final lap.

casualobserver:
Yes!

Anyone who lived in Brtitain or regularly visited Britain especially London, Birmingham, Bradford in the 80s or 90s and steps foot there today can’t help but feel sorry for the locals. We have overwhelmed them….same thing with Lagos. Unchecked immigration by people with different social ethical and cultural values ultimately destroys that society. Usually the mass migration of a people to a place is because those people were incapable of managing their own societies and when they overwhelm the locals they bring that chaos to the new environment. Immigration only works when the immigrants are a controlled fraction of the society or it is a society like Dubai when you rule with an iron fist and there are restrictions on what immigrants can do and positions of authority they can attain.

Those who had never been may think they are paradises compared to where they are coming from but London is now a sheet hole and so is Lagos. Only those who lived in these places before the mass influx can recognize.

The main reason Britain still has some semblance of sanity is because it was a structured society before immigrants came in enmasse and they have not FULLY taken control of their institutions but they are gradually and they will in due course. First they start by taking over menial jobs, then professions and businesses, then politics and they will bring their ways and destroy it. Christian’s will start to fight Muslims. The minute an immigrant starts to asser that they have a right to their way of life as the detriment of your rules in your society is the day the clock starts ticking. I remmember about 2 decades ago when Muslim immigrants were assert g their rights to wear hijabs in schools and drive with Burkas. I said then Britain has entered once chance!

Recently there was a story of a Nigerian care agency that sent an unqualified nurse to look after a patient who died….sounds familiar? It would never happen back in the day but as soon as you put Nigerians in charge of these things their Nigerianess comes out. Same with the Pakistanis, the Arabs, Polish, Somalis, Ukrainians, etc. when I was in university we all knew which Indian doctors to go to to get a fake sick note for £10 because your assignment is late. You see that’s the cultural difference between an Indian and a Brit. A British doctor will not risk his license and reputation for £10….an Indian will!

Every group of immigrants in the UK come with their own unique assault against the system. You have the legitimate Indian doctors giving fake reports for a fee, You have the Indians running mortgage scams. You have the Somalis and their electronics and phone scams, the Nigerians with their credit card and benefit frauds etc etc. An immigrant will start with low paying jobs and eventually opens a small store, with card processing facilities. Instead of being grateful the society provided him a platform to own a business, he uses the store as a side hustle to launder stolen credit cards from fellow immigrants for a 50% fee. That’s what immigrants do! An immigrant gets a job in a bank, he becomes the insider to immigrant fruadsters. Every group of immigrants has at least one scam or assault on the system they are running ….It’s our way!! In the end the system is overwhelmed.

Maybe because I have British citizenship and can go and come as I please and also have no desire to live there again, I can say these things but if you let 1) the wrong type of immigrants 2) overwhelm your society, they will eventually destroy it.

Western society is dying, just think about it, the last 2 leaders of the Conservative Party were an Indian and a Nigerian. We are talking about the Conservative Party not Labour o!!!!

cc: RodgersAkpafu

We have got an interesting comment.

I have always argued that while immigration can be good for any society, not all immigrants are good. Every functioning society has to select the immigrants it believes are good to fit in. That a country's leaders are advocating for stiffer immigration policies does not make them racist. That even immigrants who have settled in the new country advocating for restrictive immigration controls do not make them "coons".They know why they left their home countries. The last thing they want is a replica. Recently, we had an MP called for blasphemy laws to be instituted in the UK. Before the turn of this century, that would have been unthinkable. The question is: why would an immigrant seek to impose his/her cultural beliefs in the new country? In my opinion, this can only be acceptable if the immigrant's home country is as good as the new one. A German seeking to impose German cultural practices in Japan is okay by me. But not a Somalian. Let the Somalian use that cultural practice to make Somalia be like Germany before I believe such practice is good for Germany. All cultures are not equal. Some cultures are more equal than others.

To be fair though, it is Karma if you ask me. Maybe in their next life, young Brits would warn their great-grandparents from invading other people's lands. The West has to engineer a new economic system that does not involve the pension system and involves less consumerism. Also, they need to increase their birth rates. Anything outside these would see the native population gradually reduce setting off tensions in the future. Most importantly, for their sake, they should ensure Africa becomes wealthy. A wealthy Africa would reduce illegal and even legal migration. No Thai or South Korean would emigrate illegally to Japan.

cc: IbeOkehie

casualobserver:
There are levels to this thing. Did we not gain independence from colonialists? Did we sign the kind of stooooopid agreements the francophone countries signed?

Toh

France is a terrible colonial power. The only wealthy Francophone country is France. That shows how terrible it is as a colonial power. The British are way better off. So, yes, we are better off being colonised by the British rather than by the French.

sharone21:
I like what you said but instead of Taraba, Cameroon will be okay.... To at least have sweet rest of mind with adequate electricity.
Then, he can plan out from there again.
Bandjoung, Douala, Yaounde....

Cameroon requires him to change a lot of things such as residence permit, language expression and new systems in a new country. New sim, new bank account, new everything. Taraba or Adamawa does not do the same.

bolu96:
Interesting. At the bolded, lol. I can relate to it.
Thank you for the info.

At the second bolded, when you say it like that, you seem to downplay your effort, sounds like you are kinda angry with yourself for not doing better. Perhaps why you are particular about first class grads. I might be wrong though.

Yes, a regret I have in life is not graduating with a first class. I sacrificed a lot for it.

But looking back, I try sha. I surpassed almost everyone who passed me during year one. The girl who made the Chancellor List was so hot during Yr 1, but at the final lap, I surpassed her with 0.001 point. It gives me joy till date to beat her on the final lap. The guy who came best (not a first class as well) did very well by giving us enough gap. No first class from my department, but the sister department had two and could have had three if the third lad was serious during the final year.

Yes, I have a predilection for first class grads. I want to know their trajectories. I used to read Punch Campus Champion. I bookmarked the page. I read the interview of Ayodele Dada and many others. In fact, then, once I see you graduated with a first class, I immediately follow you on Instagram and LinkedIn. Also, I made friends with a lot of first class grads including the three female corp members posted to my department. One is an associate professor in China. The second is a business analyst in Canada and the third is an investment banker in Lagos. I also made friends with folks who were not too serious with their books, and e sure me die say one of them go become governor or legislator as they are all politicians today.

damble:
Good evening great Gerra.rd59, I just saw where you mentioned East Asia on a thread now. I want to ask if Taiwan and Thailand are good countries to consider for english teaching jobs too? And is it easy to move to Europe from the east asia countries? I am just thinking about what is feasible to achieve, Thanks

Taiwan is way better than Thailand. It is not that Thailand is doing badly for itself, but there are fewer economic opportunities aside from remote work and advanced business consulting for most non-South East Asians let alone a black African. The non-South East Asian foreigners you have in Thailand are independent. They don't participate in the country's economy. The other group are foreigners employed by global firms in Thai operations. So, you have European, Japanese, Chinese, and American firms employing their nationals to man the Thai operations. How many Nigerian or notable African firm has a facility/company/major office in Thailand?

I don't think English teaching sells there. But please do your research. Just that I don't see Thailand come up in English teaching jobs. If your wife has or can have reputable teaching certifications, use this website to search for jobs: https://www.schrole.com/jobs-for-teachers/

As for Taiwan, the market is too small, and I have this feeling most of them already speak English to an appreciable level. Amongst East Asians, the Japanese have the worst English level. The Chinese (across everywhere they're based) strive to learn and speak better English. Koreans come next. The English teaching market is more lucrative in China. However, there is an explicit favouritism for white people. That is, parents prefer to have a white person to teach to their children. The blacks who are favoured are African Americans and Black South Africans. This applies across East Asia - East Asians LOVE White people. The Chinese just make theirs obvious. It is possible to get an English teaching job, but as with every economic opportunity, it is going to be extra-competitive. Maybe the Cold War between the West and China might tilt the overall perception of parents to prefer black Africans over white people. But the jury is out. The easiest to get is Japan. From there on, one can move elsewhere, including Europe or America.

Oh yes! With a residence permit in Japan and stable earnings, moving to the West isn't hard. If I want to get an American visa as it is, it would be so easy.

Albertone:
Thank you very much. Quite insightful.

I also appreciate your contributions towards similar topics. I’ve seen a handful of them and they’re always insightful. Thank you once again.

That 3 years OPT is for H1B trial and shots at AA women😁

The globally recognised firm is Nigerian o. That is, you should strive to garner quality and cognate work experience after graduation in Nigeria before venturing outside. Thus, the firm should be globally recognised.

Thanks for the comments.

bolu96:
Hi Gerrard, could you say what you studied in school? The CGPA you graduated with? If you feel it's too much information to reveal, you could give an hint.
For instance, the course- you could say STEM or humanities. CGPA- You could use class of degree.

Thank you.

A no-name university. That is, the name was too useless for my liking. Although, I see the school making strides these days especially in publications and rankings. But then, it was a no-name university to me. It is part of the reason I vowed that if I don't get to attend an elite university outside Nigeria, I rather go to Covenant.
A biology related course. Na why more than 70% of my classmates were girls. In fact, there were only five boys in my department. The sister department had more boys than we did, but again, there were more girls as well.
Pure water second class upper, but above 4.0+ and I made the Vice Chancellor's List during my third and final year. Three from my department and five from the sister department. Only one girl made the list from both departments.

casualobserver:
While we are busy demarketing our country, France is going all out to woo Nigeria. Recently the German chancellor visited Nigeria. Europe needs Nigeria, they are being squeezed economically by the USA and China in addition to their dwindling demographics.

2 things

1: The western world particularly Europe is on its knees and we should leverage that as a springboard to accelerate development partnerships on our terms.

2: I didn’t know Macron actually lived in Nigerian as a young man. It explains his close relationship with Nigerian leaders like Tinubu, Adenuga, etc

Europeans who are jittery of the Chinese would now open doors to Africans? Why didn't they do it since considering we're closer in terms of history, culture and geography?

Well, we better negotiate as hard as the Indians in demanding for ease of visa rules. Maybe who knows, we re-do 1884.

Zionmdde:
I don't care. Every country should do what is best for their citizens
Including restricting immigrants
No foreign country owe u anything. You can only demand any rights from your own country

When I say the same, I'm accused of low self esteem. It's funny how people who don't want Fulani herdsmen in their communities suddenly want the White man to have open borders.

Get into a globally recognised firm in professional services and/or financial services. Get the experience (at least three years). Get relevant and recognised certifications such as ACCA, CAIA, CFA etc. Actuarial certifications are also helpful. Apply to be transferred to an office in the abroad. This would take time. So five years minimum. If internal transfer isn't possible, apply to MBA programs that are good but aren't too expensive. For instance, in the UK, apply to Imperial College MBA not Cambridge or London Business School unless you get enough money or the brains to win a scholarship. In the US, target MBA programs in the Texas area - many Nigerians, lots of good schools and abundant scholarships. Make sure the MBA program is STEM approved so you benefit from the three years OPT program.

Alternatively, with your globally recognised certifications, apply to jobs in the UAE and South Africa. With a UAE or South African experience, you become further eligible for roles in the Western World and East Asia.

There are Nairalanders who have done what I outlined here. Good luck!

Myrrhis:
You're so right about the last part of your post.
Cost of living is relatively low in a place like Jos for instance. Plus fresh, cheap foods, and beautiful weather.

Honestly, if not for the perennial crises in the region, life in Northern Nigeria would have been much more conducive for many Southerners rather than to japa to other African countries (aside from South Africa).

yesloaded:
A million naira per year, not per month sir

Please check. A million naira per year is 83,333.3333naira per month. Except inside less city or deeper forest, 2bd flat or r/p selfcon starts 200k per year

So for a family of 4 (father, mother, & 2kids) 1m per year is not enough to pay for rent and feeding

Oh! Of course, a million naira per year is poor. My question was: how many Nigerians earn one million naira per month?

Karleb:
Are you saying you would have your bathe at work?

I try to ensure I sheet before going out and immediately come back. Throughout this year, I have used public toilets only twice and those times were at the laboratory's toilet.

It has become a habit.

Iceberg3:
Taraba,northern Nigeria? Bandits,killer herdsmen,book haram,religious fanatics?

Taraba is a Christian-dominated state. Unlike the north central, north west and parts of Borno and Yobe, the north east has been relatively safe.

damble:
Thanks the great Gerrard for your time...

You are giving back to the community by giving helpful info

My pleasure. The teaching route is more common than I expected. However, means to an end, not the end. The graduate school route is an entirely different scope.

folake4u:
Interesting choice of colour.

Pray tell, is that a fetish for you? I'm doing an extensive research on colours and how it affects the human mood.

White signifies cleanliness.

As for colours, I am very indifferent. Of late, I have developed a love for purple coloured cars because I have not seen such. So when I want to get a car, I would have it painted a colour that is very rare. The aim is to have something that isn't too common. It is a personal trait.