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Treadway:
on point as usual 💯

On the bolded, Trump still echoed same easily observable FACT in the video in the previous page, but as na Trump talk am, esp as him talk am his Trump way🤣, most no just wan hear.

They accused him of racial bias that certain jobs are meant for black people. But forget that in the previous century, employers in the northern part of the country had to employ blacks from the south when there was a labour shortage. As the next biggest racial group, African Americans need to have their economic interests protected first before other immigrant groups, especially black Africans. I cannot believe I am rooting for them as a black African.

As for the black community wey wan stick to Dems...well they have the right to stick to whomever. The fact and reality tho is that even with Dems white supremacy will always be a constant. Like Candace Owens has said in one of her vids (will look for the vid link and attach it), and I agree with, even the white supremacy doesn't rank high on the things plaguing black America. The family unit is a mess, mostly in black America. Single parents household, poverty, black on black violence, gangs, drugs, not given to education etc....all of this are the main issues, and hanging on to Dems have not solved their real problems one bit. A black president for 8 years didn't make them better or stronger as a community. They can keep up with their solidarity with the Dems, but I just can't see what that solidarity has done for black America till this day August 5, 2024. Na dem know sha

It exists in both parties, which is why one should choose the lesser evil which protects their economic rights. If the continuous outpour of migrants from South America into the US continues, the black population in the US will dwindle. In fact, there are projected studies by Pew Research which show that without an increment from Africa, the population of African Americans in the US will go below 10%. As it reduces, the white man wins. Both parties are not interested in admitting more Africans so the narrative that one likes black people over the other is falsified. In fact, obtaining a visa from the US embassy in Nigeria has gotten harder than under Trump. The US policy towards Africa remains unchanged - extraction of minerals and blocking China from trading with them.

Lady in blue in the Trump interview make a very hostile introduction to a discussion, Trump says that the intro was horrible and disgraceful. Immediately the CNN quoted this as the news headline 'Trump calls black journalist disgraceful at NABJ conference'.

Those two narratives are certainly not the same to sane minds

That lady was rude.

peacefull:
Hello, Gerrard59 san!
How are you? I hope you are not tired of Japan weather now!

About 2009 case in Japan, it was for Nikkei jin, not for all immigrant workers.
And so many Japanese people also lost work just like immigrant people because of Haken giri.
Mostly these people were Haken worker.
I'm gonna put picture which is I took screenshot from Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare website.
This is result of that case in 2009.

I hope you are enjoying life in Japan!

Due to the language, not many non-East Asians work in corporate Japan, so minimal competition for the plum jobs, but the government had to protect blue-collar jobs for ethnic Japanese who don't work in the corporate space. Unlike now that the labour shortage is so severe such that Sri Lankans are even invited to work in factories. The key thing is: protect the natives' economic interests before non-natives.

jedisco:
Not confirmed but if true, how has Japan fared since? Their population is dropping quickly but still their citizens are no better off today than 30yrs ago. They are increasingly looking outward and increasing migration. No one is arguing for unregulated migration here.

There is a reason the west has remained an economic powerhouse

It is controlled with certain restrictions such as a bachelor's degree being mandatory if the person will eventually attain permanent residence and naturalisation. Immigrants from mostly Southeast Asia are favoured over those from South Asia, especially the usual suspects in the picture I posted. Another point to state: all cultures are not equal. Then, the law authorities don't care who you are, where you come from, your skin colour or what God you worship. If an immigrant commits a crime in Japan, the person is dealt with the visa cancelled and the person gets deported and banned from entering the country. If the person is a permanent resident and the crime is heinous, it gets revoked. There is a reason Japan is safer than anywhere in the Western world. That is the aspect of law enforcement I mentioned which Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties across the Western world even to Chile cannot tackle. I have never seen a group of people who adore criminals.

Tufiakwa!

In my books, criminals should be thoroughly, ruthlessly, brutally and mercilessly dealt with regardless of who they are or how they look. If they have ILR, revoke it and deport them back to their native countries. If they are second-generation immigrants, do the same thing, lock them up and throw the keys into the English Channel. I don't know why the death penalty is frowned upon sef. The narrative is clear: don't forgive or pamper criminals. Deal with them! If I ever become a politician, obviously in my dominant environment, I will copy ALL of Lee Kuan Yew's policies to the end. I cherish safety and want the same for the inhabitants of my community. So, if as a non-native, you cannot behave accordingly, I will deal with you, no ifs or buts!

As for the state of the economy, aside from the recent currency fluctuations which made Germany jump into the third biggest economy, the Japanese economy has remained steadily okay - low unemployment and stable good jobs for the natives. Chinese and Koreans come here to seek jobs, the Japanese don't go there for the same. Aside from the US and Australia for those who deliberately learn English, most remain at home where they are catered for. The Japanese economy was roaring during the '70s through the '80s to the early '90s when it signed the Plaza Accords which every unbiased person knows wrecked the economy, especially in semiconductors and financial industries. It is a similar deal the West has been pushing for the Chinese to sign. Thankfully, they have refused. The future of the global economy isn't in the Western world.

RodgersAkpafu:
you are right
The biggest undercurrent is the fact that the economy is struggling
If you come to the North East (I'm here most of the time) you will see poverty and despair left and right .
.combining thar with the influx of Nigerian and Indian students coming in to compete for house and jobs is

The issue is that Western politicians are largely incompetent in solving their people's problems. In 2009 when the global economic crisis was ravaging the world, the Japanese government paid immigrant workers in automobile factories a one-off payment to return to their countries so that it frees up space for unemployed Japanese. Prior to 2011, it was very easy for a non-Southeast Asian to domicile in Singapore, and obtain PR and citizenship. The economy got tougher and jobs were scarce for the majority Chinese population as Indians from Mainland India accepted low salaries. They voted against the PAP in the 2011 elections. The party reversed almost all of its favourable immigration policies and tightened everywhere. The tightening continues while the government focuses on the top 1% of would-be immigrants. The lesson to be learned is: protect the natives from being overwhelmed by immigration from their livelihoods, or else they will react.

In the US, this is happening as migrants from mostly South America jostle for jobs that ordinarily would go to African Americans, but AAs being a die-hard Democratic voting bloc would not vote for the GOP. In Canada, natives complain about how their teenage children cannot find holiday jobs because immigrants from South Asia compete head-on with them and accept lower wages. Today, Canadians have turned their back towards unfettered immigration. The so-called liberal parties and their supporters don't understand human nature. I understand why most first-generation immigrants support such policies, but for continuous residence with peace of mind, the natives' economic concerns have to be protected because should they revolt, there is nothing anyone can do about it.

however it's the elite that engineered this mess in the first place

Presently, the immigration issue in the UK is multifaceted. One, the country has an ageing population who require social care which is burning the government finances. As a result, the government invites foreigners to fill up that gap. Two, the education system relies on foreign students to SURVIVE when it is not supposed to be so. Universities that cannot sustain themselves should be allowed to go into bankruptcy. Three, yes, the birth rate is abysmally low, but because the UK lacks a manufacturing base, many natives who cannot compete for elite jobs are deprived of economic opportunities which young and any-pounds-available immigrants can accept.

In my books, a country with a population of 10 million plus needs to have a manufacturing base to provide good jobs to citizens who cannot compete for the elite jobs. Everyone cannot be a programmer or doctor. Some should be skilled technicians and live an okay life. Switzerland does this very well. Lastly, poor law enforcement. The Gods forbid, but the law authorities in the West are terribly incompetent to clamp down on criminals regardless of where they come from, their skin colour and who they worship. See the picture below. Even in Nigeria, natives of any area will be annoyed when this happens to their daughters. We won't call them tribalists, so it will be odd to describe those in Rotherham as racists. Such nonsense cannot happen in China or Singapore without the authorities dealing brutally with the preparatory, but Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties are scared of enforcing the law. Tomorrow, they are surprised when they vote for the Reform Party and the GOP. I have never seen a group of people who are so detached from the basic understanding of human beings.

Maysdevices:
Most Nigerians are chestbeating cowards only after their own personal interests

The fact that there are anti protesters already proves this nation is going nowhere, these guys are Muslims and that’s why they had so much balls

Only the Northerners can achieve this level of chaos
Those from the East, West and South are too timid and afraid

Myself included, I go japa leave una, who wan die

Why should Igbos participate with Northerners who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015? Why should a Yoruba person protest against Tinubu when Northerners did not protest against Buhari?

From Wikipedia:

The vast majority (about 99%) of Bangladeshis are of the Bengali ethno-linguistic group. This group also spans the neighboring Indian province of West Bengal. Minority ethnic groups include Meitei, Tripuri, Marma, Tanchangya, Barua, Khasi, Santhals, Chakma, Rakhine, Garo, Biharis, Oraons, and Mundas. More than 90% are Muslims.

You cannot defeat a homogenous force.

Nothing similar will happen in Nigeria.

Double post.

Usefulsense:
Which of them is lies sir? The land purchased or my net per month in Nigeria or the bank manager story?

My apologies. I thought it was in five or ten years, but you stated in 2 years. My bad.

I will have to ask what is the recent salary scale for permanent bankers to know how far.

freakyavia:
this was expected
the world is getting tired of various agenda pushed forward by asylum seekers some are not even asylum seekers just saw an opportunity to live better lives.

the UK outburst is a result of the various Islamic agenda pushed by asylum seekers from the middle east the whole world is getting tired of it

The UK and the wider Western played huge roles in destabilising the Middle East. From Libya to Iraq and Iran, they have rendered that region desolate. The inhabitants have their issues as well, but how come Arabs are not doing the same across East Asia and Southeast Asia? You scatter a region yet are surprised the people there are infiltrating your society?

Additionally, if they want to clampdown on immigration and its issues, there exist two solutions:
- Stabilise the Middle East for good.
- Ensure Africa gets prosperous.

East Asian countries do both across Southeast Asia. They don't interfere in SEA matters and support their economic industrialisation.

Lionessza6:
I have similar concerns....Islam and communists taking over the world . This is when I'm willing to forgive the West for all their criminality .

On a serious note though, the push for the weakening and eventually the collapse of the West doesn't look like some cazy white -supremiscist conspiracy theory used as cover to attack migrants....it's evident by how much obscene policies are pushed down the populace's throats( against their core values). Something dark is about to unfold. And I have a feeling that they're first going after people that will be the toughest to defeat .....once Europe falls...things will change ....but I doubt if it be a positive change for Africans and Africa. Europe is undoubtedly the most organised and economically strong region in the world , once it falls even with their "transgressions ".....I don't think we will like what's coming .

I agree that Islam will grow tremendously. However, I don't think Europe is the toughest to defeat. Maybe, the most influential ditto the US. But not the toughest.

My question is: who are the people behind this push?

RodgersAkpafu:
their racism makes it difficult to address their concerns.
you and I know that there has been a lot of lies around this immigration issue and its effects , to suit white supremacist undertones. Indians Black non Muslim immigrants and descendants of immigrants who are in our millions here are working tirelessly paying our taxes and having zero recourse to public funds while making this country iur new home. we are also alarmed by the risk and threat of radical Islam, and the issues that affect them affect us too....But these pinkies are so blinded by white supremacy that it has made them obtuse. separate issues from racism and more ppl will be sympathetic. even a lot of native whites are appalled and disgusted by their actions.
in my office them dey lambast these right wingers everytimw

I guess radical Islam and Muslims are the scapegoats, especially with the October 7 issue and its aftermath. However, as the immigrant population in the UK grows and resources get scarcer, we should expect more white supremacist rhetoric. I read the comments in the FT, which made me know that even the elite are uneasy about the growing immigrant population. They always reference the over 700K+ immigrant increments. It is human nature after all. The same is happening to Chinese Americans just as it did to their ancestors hundreds of years ago.

The politicians too no dey try as they have been fueling the issue. No wonder few differences exist between the UK and Lagos.

Goodenoch:
Oh for sure - that's correct but it's whataboutism and not relevant to my point in this specific context.
hat Thanksgiving looks like.

The person who murdered those children is not even muslim, yet, the thugs on the streets have been targeting mosques.

Whether it's due to underlying grievances or not is an academic question from my perspective as someone worrying about my wife heading to work and back tomorrow, solely because I know that as a visibly African woman, she could be the target of violence without any attempt by the thugs to verify her immigration status (legal), role (highly qualified skilled worker), religion (Christian), contributions to the country (very high), 'benefits' taken (zero) and all the other things that they're saying are the cause of their rioting.

Hope you understand now.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Sha, make Namibia and another black-dominated country arrange themselves well enough. I know what to do.

Zahra29:
The usual suspects are all acting and speaking as expected depending on which side they support.

With the 2011 and BLM protests/riots (and going back further to the Brixton riots and the like), left and "far left" supporters excused the protests and violence, instead pointing the focus on the endemic societal and institutional issues and injustice that led to the outpouring of anger. Meanwhile right and "far right" actors and media were hopping mad, especially as the protesters/rioters/looters were mostly black or of ethnic origin.

Flip over to the 2024 riots and the right and "far right" are sympathetic to the underlying grievances of the protesters/rioters/looters while others are aghast.

Attributes of an ideological, and increasingly racially/ethnic heterogeneous population. The same applies to the US.

Progress is hard to achieve.

Treadway:
congrats. I truly am happy for you..why shouldn't I be?

No where in my post in this thread or in my post in the earlier thread did I bash your decision to emigrate. E no just be my business to do so.

What I didn't agree with was just that one statement, and I made that abundantly clear, and I still make it abundantly clear now...

Even then, I just registered my disagreement based on my perspective and kept it moving. No hard feelings from here at all💯

Thank you, sir. I am happy for him as he fulfilled his dreams. But that comparison is where there are issues. Nigeria, just like every other country, has its issues. But elevating a sheet packer in Australia above a bank manager in Nigeria does not sit right with me. E dey like craw craw.

Best wishes to everyone in their life endeavours.

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Father254:
The way people leave their country and go far away country to cause havoc is alarming.

Even here in Nigeria all these south African and Kenya women giving headaches to people is becoming too much. Here in lekki they are much in prostitutions leading many marriages astray.
News of them absconding with kids to another part of Nigeria forming an environmental health problem both to kids and marriages is much.

Immigration should do the needful and secure our environment and repatriate anyone staying illegal as they do to Nigerians staying abroad. You can't work without permit and if you do then you pay for it and they deport you back.

There are South African and Kenyan women selling sex in Nigeria? That sounds odd except they are paid in dollars. I can understand the demand for SA women, but women in some parts of the South West have big yansh as well. It is that of Kenya that surprises me.

The insecurity challenge is a problem, if not why should one pay huge amounts for a Southern and Eastern African woman when Adamawa and Taraba dey? Drive to Jalingo and Duste to enjoy then drive back to Lekki.

Nigerian elites, na una do this one.

RodgersAkpafu:
when black people support right wing crazies
I wonder what they are thinking

these thugs have laid waste to my city, looting upandan and harassing muslim women going their own jeje cos they are wearing hijabs

what's wrong with these fvckers fgs

In which place will the natives be comfortable with their elected officials catering to people who don't contribute to society amidst inflation and high property crises?

I am surprised many people don't understand human nature. You accuse them of racism yet you refuse to acknowledge their concerns.

internationalman:
Na the name of the profession dey decieve most people shall.

I know a restaurant woman at my junction that sells many varieties of food that has already built 2 houses and currently laying foundation for the third one as I type this comment. Mind you, it's just a mama put kind of restaurant but she swims in millions. People patronize her a lot because she knows the business well. People like you go still say you can't compare a mama put woman at the junction with a bank manager..

How much is a Bank Manager's salary by the way. Can he save 50 million in 10 years without involving himself in fraudulent activities in the Bank? That's the only way most of these top office holders in Nigeria become rich anyway..

Why should he save 50 million when inflation and devaluation eat up the money? Why do you think it is not possible to save that amount as a bank manager? I think most of you people under-rate certain professions and the earnings they make. Yes, there is corruption, but people do earn quite a lot in certain industries in Nigeria and legitimately as well. I believe the major problem is the dearth of accurate information regarding salaries in corporate Nigeria. Most importantly, the mama-put woman is an entrepreneur, not an employee. Apples to oranges, not apples to apples.

That said, the mama-put woman has done well for herself. But if she migrates to Australia to pack sheet, she can never live a decent life compared to while in Nigeria. Again, no sheet packer in Australia lives a decent above a bank manager in Nigeria. If you disagree, maybe you should define what the phrase "decent life" means as a sheet packer.

Some people care about the means no matter how lucrative and rewarding the ends may be.

If anyone wants to pack sheet, that is okay. But correlating that to living a decent life in Australia above a bank manager in Nigeria is abominable.

Mcslize:
Ogbeni, Nigerians are protesting, you are no where to be found. Don't you think you are a hypocrite?

I am an Igbo man, so why should I protest? Do you want me to be accused of "burning Nigeria" and being called all sorts of names? The Tinubu government should continue till when it gets tired and wants to leave office. Nigerians campaigned and voted for him in 2023, ditto for Buhari in 2015 and 2019. In fact, as I have stated countless times on NL if an election is organised today, Tinubu will win free and fair. He will ONLY lose if Buhari is his opponent.

Usefulsense:
After the post I made in March concerning my experience after 3 months in Australia, I received a lot of responses on the said thread with many insulting me for migrating at age 48.

While a lot of people congratulated me for making the bold decision and taking steps to relocate my family to a better clime, others wondered why a financial controller, earning more than a million naira net per month, will leave Nigeria to become a warehouse worker in far away Australia.

I did my best to explain that even as a warehouse worker, my savings in a month after all expenses is almost twice my monthly net in Nigeria.

I mentioned that, apart from the few who had jobs before coming to Australia, you would most likely start life in the warehouse or as a disability support worker when you get here.

I belong to this group because you stated that someone who packs sheet for a living lives a decent life than a bank manager in Nigeria. That was a terrible comparison as no matter the issues Nigeria has, a sheet packer in the abroad CAN NEVER have a better life than a bank manager in Nigeria. Your comparison was the issue.

See your statement:

Usefulsense:
This your person came in as an illegal immigrant. I can tell you that for free.

As an illegal immigrant, you will see shege.

No body comes in through legal means and stays up to 10 years without going home. Except the person decides not to.

In Australia, even if you're packing shit or faeces, you will live a decent life.

Life is much better here.

See my replies here:

Gerrard59:
If the person was a truck pusher or Danfo driver while in Nigeria? Yes. But an accountant who was earning 1.1 million naira doing sheet packing? NO.

Please, let's fear God when we use the phrase "decent life".

Thank you.

Gerrard59:
Special thanks to Tread.way!

I hold nothing against OP's thread or his relocation. His choice, which I respect. However, I refuse to hold the notion that a toilet cleaner in Australia lives a better life than a permanent staff banker in Nigeria. The other day, Nairalanders argued that being a skyscraper cleaner in the UK is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. That is totally nonsensical! I don't look at earnings conversion as they are pointless, but professions and standard of living.

Anyone can decide to move from being a doctor to cleaner in the abroad, no problem. But don't come online to state that someone flourishing in his/her career in Nigeria is worse than the cleaner in the abroad. It does not follow. As I argue, you compare oranges to oranges, not oranges to apples. Compare the cleaner in the abroad to a cleaner in Nigeria, [b]NOT a cleaner in the abroad to a career professional in Nigeria. A truck pusher in Nigeria who moves to become a cleaner in the abroad has won the lottery and improved. However, a seasoned professional who does the same has not done well.[/b]

We have to be honest in what we say.

See another similar reply:

Treadway:
dude

We know Aussie is better, there is no need to compare or even convince anyone of that

But while things are shitty o'er here and I do talk about the issues here very often (if you check my history), making the kinda of statement that I hear and read most Nigerians make when they leave these shores to other countries just is not a good look. I don't see even other Africans do this self-deprecating, inferiority tirade BS, much less other races. What Australian will read this kinda crap and value or respect you?. And una dey blast Emdee Tiamiyu ooo. You basically are admitting to them ever so passionately and diligently that you are worthless without being there and living there is what gives your life meaning.. like wtf.

Let's package ourselves better abeg. No be to dey drive the hype like say we never see chandelier before. How you go dey talk online say cleaner for one place better pass a well read, accomplished person who rose to the ranks of a Regional manager at Zenith bank?? Does that make any kind of sense at all....and then still turn around to say life is not all about money..classic incoherence.
A garbage disposal guy in Aussie, Canada, US and Youkay sef is better than a governor in Nigeria. Ment!

A particular guy told me in the said thread that I will never get accounting role in Australia because of the competition.

Glory to Almighty God who answered my prayers. I have my appointment letter as an accounts staff in one of the companies Australia.

I am glad you are able to get a role within your industry and obviously on merit - a great feature of every developed society. Congratulations! But please, let's fear God when we make certain comparisons. As you can read above, I have nothing against anyone relocating anywhere, whether from Nigeria or to Nigeria and elsewhere. But some comparisons are out of place.

Based on recent events and the tweet by Dele Momodu (https://twitter.com/DeleMomodu/status/1819369813904650466), the civil war will happen faster than I expected.

Sha, don't say I did not warn y'all. Posterity will have it that I did my best. Na Europe I dey pity because the refugee crises will be of catastrophic proportions.

cc: IbeOkehie

chatinent:
In Naira or in Dollar?

These foreigners need to start looking for Naira upandan the same way we are looking for dollars now.

Nigeria is not under sanctions from the US. The naira is not a globally traded currency. Nigeria is not a major trading nation in the global economy. The dollar is the world's reverse currency. The dollar is easily obtainable anywhere in the world. Nigeria does not need a strong naira.

Thus, there is no point for foreign buyers to pay Nigerian sellers in naira. In fact, it is good news he exports as this increases our foreign
dollar-denominated reserve.

This is basic economics o

descartes400:
That's why the Government as a matter of utter most urgency, MUST make our National refinery work. we must never rely on Dangote Refinery.

Governments in diverse countries should not own refineries. Mention ONE corporation which has been successfully managed for profit purposes by the Nigerian government? The government should SELL OFF all the refineries to willing investors at N1 each.

Na Yar'Adua cause this problem.

If South Korea and Singapore could be among the top ten importers of his petroleum products, then he is good to go. Singapore has ExxonMobil's biggest refinery outside the US, which is located on Jurong Island. Also, it is a major transhipment hub. For South Korea, the Chaebols are known for petrochemicals using crude from the Middle East.

Dangote should no longer be bothered about the Nigerian market.

tallfish145:
Please i want to know if a man that has one or two childrens later become impotent and can't impregnant a woman again

Yes. Just because the man's sperm fertilises eggs which results in two children does not mean he can always do the same. Fertility in men these days is not guaranteed. Quite unfortunate. Global sperm production and fertility rates have dwindled due to chemicals in our foods, drinks, air and what we sleep on and even touch.

"Global sperm counts are falling. This scientist believes she knows why" - FT.

@Sepukku,
I will reply you later. I need to create time to watch the video you posted.

Lioness5280:
I really like how China isn't backing down for anything and you can see the panick in the West, they've never met a nation that wouldn't bow down and apologise after the West has kicked them in the butt.
I also like that China is venturing outside of the Western markets; they tend to use this against any nation in the long run. I hope that China does the opposite of the West in Africa; helps grow the middle class because this would be beneficial for them too; a much bigger market for their high-end products and technology. Most of the luxurious goods consumed by Africans come from the West , and what do we get in return......absolutely nothing but more exploitation . China should focus on displacing the leeches out of Africa completely 😅.

Truth is: most of the Global South are fed with the West: the arrogance, bullying, invasion, servitude by mumbo-jumbo loans, interference in local issues etc. China offers hope of a peer nation that can stand as an economic buffer. For instance, Brazilian farmers care less about the EU's refusal to agree to a trade deal which has been deliberated upon for 20 years because it is the biggest supplier of soybeans to China. This means the country could call the EU's bluff and nothing will happen. Brazil overtook the US to the pole position.

Yes, the Chinese are venturing outside the country to mainly Southeast Asian neighbours - factories, open markets for goods, tourism etc. I think a few months ago China traded more with SEA than the US did. Africa is also getting Chinese investment, but not as SEA for largely incompetence by the African political elites such as not ensuring political stability, not negotiating hard enough and still in bed with the West, aka neither here nor there. However, Chinese investment still forms the bulk of FDI in the real sector. It is Chinese trains that ferry passengers in Lagos, run port services there too, open factories in the North Central, and build roads in the Eastern region. Apart from Julius Berger, I have yet to see a Western company which is at the forefront of Nigeria's infrastructural development and industrialisation.

As for the bold, that is what China is doing in SEA, and I believe shortly will do the same across Africa. What African countries should do now is to find what they can sell to the Chinese - extract and process it then sell. China is a massive market. As for the luxurious goods, I think you meant "White goods". If so, most of them come from China. Luxury goods is one industry the West will always own since it is an aspirational product. Even Chinese millionaires look towards buying German cars. However, in automobiles especially EVs, this will not hold again soon.

But the Africans shouldn't be caught sleeping this time (over-reliance).Whilst they help us industrialise we should insist on providing all the basics to our markets. Not China flooding our markets with plastic dishes and cups we could produce ourselves even with their "primitive " machinery.

You see, one of the reasons I appreciate the Chinese is because it has a listening ear. China listened to the complaints of African countries that the trade was not balanced. In response, it opened its agricultural markets to African countries and reduced tariffs by more than 90%. I am not joking. I read this on Baker and McKenzie's website about the trade between South Africa and China. It is the reason wineries in SA are investing in advertising in the Chinese market or Tanzania investing to sell avocados to China. The Chinese market is open and more trade hubs are established. One is in Hubei, I think the biggest in China.

As for selling plastic dishes and cups to Africans, those are bought by Africans to sell to their kith. Nowadays, the Chinese are opening factories in Nigeria to produce those products as they have become too expensive to manufacture in China and costly to sell due to currency fluctuations in most African countries.

For the US-China trade war and other global issues, more can be found here: https://www.nairaland.com/7801886/multipolarism-versus-hegemonism-great-power

But I don't trust the Chinese people also ....they're too robotic for my liking; they seem soul-less and programmed 😏. I'm afraid of what they'll do to us when we default on those infrastructural loans 😮😭😅. They don't look like the type that's ready to negotiate

Better to have the robotic person who is brutally honest with you ab initio than the lovey-dovey person who smiles at you but has evil intentions. As for loans, it is not true that African countries are so much indebted to China when compared to Western-controlled institutions. I recall SA was loaned $20BN to build so-called green energy systems. However, the truth is that such systems are not the immediate energy systems SA requires to industrialize at cheap rates. Although China installs more solar panels than elsewhere, new coal plants are still built every quarter. Cheap and readily abundant energy are important factors in industrialisation. For Nigeria, we owe China the most as a single country, but less than 10% of our total debt is to China. We owe the IMF and the World Bank more than China combined.
See here (Bloomberg): https://archive.md/PqOfN (free-to-read).

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That aside, what is the true nature of the crime rate across South African cities? Are they high as peddled by Western media? If so, why are they so high and what is the government doing about it?

What do you think of Namibia as a country? And its discovery of crude oil deposits?

Thank you.

Lioness5280:
The current-mixture of socialism and capitalism in SA is correct con.sidering where we come from.

The SA government already provides the following for the citizens:

1. Free healthcare,this includes operations.2. Free education from primary to high school level. And has an Nfsas grant-loan system that is offered to poor students in Universities and Tvet colleges. You only pay bay back I think the 40% loan part that is interest-free once you become gainfully employed.3. Free houses to those living in shacks.4. Monthly payments to unemployed parents per child.5. Monthly payments to people over the age of 60.6. Free breakfast and lunch in public schools in poor areas.7. Free public school transportation in rural schools (for the kids who used to walk long distances to school).8. Anyone who is involved in a car accident in any of our public roads gets compensated handsomely ( if no drinking and driving was involved).9. Now, unemployed people from 18 to 59 get monthly payments as well
10. Orphanage homes are well funded yearly.11. Free water and sanitation in all poor communities

These are good social schemes to enable people help themselves. However, for these schemes to be sustainable in the future, SA must expand, advance and protect its productive side of the economy. This is because the productive economy funds these schemes. The key to balancing socialism is by ensuring the economy is very productive enough to outweigh the social schemes. Also, borders must be tightened to ensure non-citizens don't take advantage of the system. You cannot have a welfare state with open borders.

These are some of the benefits I could remember that the government offers already, so I don't get what more these Marxists want 🤦‍♀️. Maybe the government should pay people to wipe their arses for them now. Nonsense.

As I stated, they are unintelligent, and as you opined, they are dangerous. I am very wary of a black person regardless of nationality or location who supports communism. I try not to engage them in any conversation because I always consider communists to be unintelligent.

They say it's only the political class that gets rich in SA...very funny losers. Ofvourse there are corrupt elites and what not especially in the mineral sector, which country doesn't have that ?

Every country has corruption. The key is ensuring the corruption does not affect the important sectors and should not impede growth in the economy.

But most young millionaires in SA are in the Agric, food processing, auto, fashion, education, healthcare etc. These people are mostly funded by municipalities, regional & provincial economic development department etc. And anyone can walk in and apply after gathering all the needed documentation, political elite don't even care about these "crumbs" , they have much bigger fish to fry. If there's corruption in these centres and institutions,then deal with those who run these places because Ramaphosa and his gang don't give a damn about that, they're busy stealing gold mines😅. It's between the affected community and their servants.

Good to know. I am glad something good is happening in Africa. Well, other than Nigeria, South Africa is the next big economy and Kenya.

I'd love to see a communist success on our African soil . They're always pushing this rubbish down our throats in their Pan-African gatherings but why not practice it where they come from? . Why not show us the way? Dey play😅

Unfortunately, communists don't like to live in communist countries, but in capitalist societies. I never take them seriously. Again, very unintelligent set of people. Communism has failed everywhere because it goes against the human characteristic of greed.

Lioness5280:
Well, both men ;Elon and Trump are both friends of the right-wing and white nationalists movements in America and have white fans and followers all around the world who identify with those movements and SA is not left out. Some right-wing groups in SA have been all over the net claiming there's white genocide in SA and some right-wingers in the West and specifically in the USA fell for the scam
(even though many have since been exposed to the shameless-ness of their cousins). My take was that Trump needed to play to the gallery: " I'll take care of all white people no matter where they're " . Sort of like how Malema has positioned himself as some sort of black protector. Trump's supporters must have wanted to hear that. And also it's suspicious how he said this during the Zuma administration when Zuma was really stabbing the West in the eye; from joining BRICS , and championing many policies that would have SA more friendlier with the East than the West. Not to mention that this was the same period that white people were crying all over the streets of SA during working hours for Zuma to go. So I don't know, but I think the answer is somewhere in there or inbetween🤷‍♀️

I think the JuJu is a nickname derived from the name Julius .

Thanks for the explanation. You did well in the analysis.

bukatyne:
Poco mentioned his kids.

She loses in such a scenario. I would abort mission.

Even a divorced man without kids is still second hand.

Agreed. Only money can freshen the product.

Lioness5280:
Don't have much time on my hands today to write long epistles ....so I'll address one paragraph at a time whenever I get the chance

Okay. Please do take your time.

Correction:
White people still have the highest number of dollar millionaires in South Africa, but SA have the highest number of black dollar millionaires in Africa and the second in the world. The same is true for better living standards, white people still have better living on average. But the average black SA fairs better than Africans elsewhere.

This is the data I could find: https://www.businesslive.co.za/archive/2015-03-26-sas-dollar-millionaires-in-black-and-white/
Do you have other data which could be accessible?

But for obvious reasons (numbers)...Black SA now have more middle class people than white and therefore the purchasing power. But if we went by percentage of each group then the white people's early advantages will show and we will sink lower.

True.

So we still have a long way to go , but we started out with a lot of baggage from a huge population of poor and under-skilled people to now here . That's why there's this love and hate relationship between the natives and the ANC. Even though they failed in somethings, but they definitely outdid themselves in others. Now we have a lot of skilled and educated people but no employment, hence so much money in the latest budget is being incubated into entrepreneurship programs to fund the qualifying graduates who have the potential to be employers. Hopefully it work as planned.

Agreed, but as I stated, pivot to China. In my opinion, the Chinese man is the best alternative to offer his market to citizens from developing. Selling to the Chinese, then Indonesians, Vietnamese and later Indians is the last resort to making Africans rich.

Sepukku:
@Gerrard.59. I am curious to know why you regard communists as unintelligent and why you believe capitalism is the best economic system we have.

I am baffled that is a question when China and Eastern European countries exist. Capitalism REMAINS the only economic system that has pulled more people out of poverty than any other economic system. It is the only economic system that aligns with human's basic concept of greed.

The EFF's radical approach seeks to dismantle this alliance ( your so called GNU) in creating a more socialist system that seeks to redistribute wealth by breaking up the power of the Oligarchy aka White monopoly power who pretty much have heavy if not total influence on the political systems in the South African society.

Where else has "redistribution" worked in a similar SA context?

Capitalism in its purest form or definition seeks to deploy capital "effectively" across other factors of production in creating wealth/goods and services and redistribute that wealth proportionately in accordance to contributions from each factor of production. The problem with capitalism in the form it is practiced today in most societies is that you now have an elitist class of Oligarchy's who wield an enormous amount of capital seeking to exploit/control the other factors of production, labor in particular in achieving the maximization of profits at the detriment of the majority working/poor class in the society instead of lifting them out of poverty.

While I agree that present-day capitalism has its problems, no other economic system can substitute it.

The fact still remains that a majority of South Africans are poor and South Africa continious to be one of the most unequal societies in the word. This is the reason for the EFF who are advocating for free higher education, free housing, free health care, expropriation without compensation of "lands" that should be given back to right owners. Fundamentals necessary in any society to set give them the ability to move themselves out of perpetual poverty. The current economic system is not doing that but rather has enabled a "black" middle class of so-called African millionaires emerge not through capitalist mechanisms but through a corrupt manipulation and undeserved redistribution of wealth by the Oligarchy (white monopoly capitalist) class and the well-connected( Political class) in the society.

Where will the money come from? From taxes of productive citizens in a capitalist environment. Pull the carpet off capitalism and watch how multidimensional poverty kicks in. Equal opportunities are what you should advocate, not equal outcomes. Socialism works best in countries with a max of 10 million people who are homogenous by ethnicity, race, culture, language and religion. Preferably, they have natural resources such as lithium, cobalt, gold or oil. Namibia and Botswana can implement such, not South Africa.