₦airaland Forum

folake4u:
Oh certainly, I agree with your reasoning. We need to inculcate the data keeping habit in Nigeria. It'd take a long walk to the promise land but I believe it's possible.

Absolutely! I recalled when I worked in Nigeria and we were preparing to publish the salaries range of employees in a major industry in Nigeria, my boss' friends cautioned against it because people would now know how much their salaries are. We too dey hide things, especially info that could be of immense benefit to the society.

Why I nor go like money?😂😂😂
Lol what Wahala, talk na, I'm all ears.

My female classmates from secondary school and university have chastised me for being "stingy". In my defence, I say I am frugal or prudent. One said na lie, that I am parsimonious. Truth is: I am not a fan of giving people money "anyhow". I believe there has to be workings behind every financial request and well detailed. Just like my fact-finding mission, the person has to provide reasons why that money is needed. One in secondary school likened me to Nkem Owoh in the movie "Calculator". I spend on women and largely with no strings attached. I can invite a random lady to a nice restaurant and I will cover the bills (I have done such both in Nigeria and here). What I don't like are excessive demands as I see on social media these days. I will snap out of anger. I have bad mouth sef.

IbeOkehie:
This is one of the stark illustrations of the economic depression that has enveloped Nigeria. The thing is almost unbelievable.

$650USD = ₦1 million.

Less than 1%, perhaps less than 0.5%.....of Nigerian adults earn over ₦1 million per month.

And some people come on here to tout the abundant opportunities in Nigeria, the enjoyable standard of living and sublime sweetness of the country. It doesn't make sense. And then high social capital is required to get petrol in the largest producer of crude oil in Africa.

Within the past few months, the JPY and even South Korean Won have had their values plummeted against the USD, largely because of the high interest rate by the Fed. The Bank of Japan has even raised interest rates, and the Ministry of Finance has defended the yen against further slides against the USD.

You have on several occasions said the NGN government has not devalued the naira freely, pays subsidies and further strengthened the currency. While subsidy payment is bad on its own, I wonder why you castigate the government for dollar decline, and then on the other hand call for further devaluation.

So, I wonder, what exactly do you want the government to do: defend the strong naira you have criticised or further devalue the currency but stop complaining about whether $650 = N1M?

folake4u:
Yes of course, the school is good by all accounts. I like the balance between academic and social activities for the students.

Lol, what are you planning to do with the data of expensive schools in Nigeria. I'm curious.

It answers many questions such as their trajectories, their tuition fees and locations. For instance, soon-to-be parents can know where a school's strengths lie. Even for this school, its exploits could be compared to other top schools nearby. There is much dearth of accurate information regarding everyday discourse in Nigeria. So much anecdotal information which is not balanced and cannot be easily verified. When data is available, it makes people make better decisions. For those who are behind, it shows where the problem originates from and what they should do to improve. For instance, in this school, parents can know why it is better (in which areas) than others. For would-be employees, they know how much salaries and bonuses are offered.

When people ask questions, accurate answers need to be provided. When people make certain claims, they should be backed up with valid data. That way, everyone learns and society is better for it. Outlandish claims should not be allowed to stand the test of time. Everything should be backed up with cold-hard facts.

Amen oh, I claim riches in my life. 😂😂
If I recommend any of my friends, you must spend money oh.

Amen too. You really like money o. Wahala go dey be that because....

Lol, yes, I've observed you're a facts and figures person. It really is a good thing by the way instead of relying on "Bros, I nor fit lie for you".

Honestly, I find that statement very irritating. I have no issues with anyone having an opinion (everyone has the right to one), but please don't run with it as a fact, especially in public.

Redman44:
These kids go on holidays to the USA and Europe. I am not surprised at all.

Their parents must be upper-middle class at least and possess permanent residency considering how battered the Nigerian passport is these days.

folake4u:
I can't remember how much their fees cost again. My brother went to the school like 8 years ago and that time a single term was within the range of 200-500k. I don't know the current price. No, I don't have access to where the scores of the students are published. They end up majorly in private schools, abroad and few end up in public schools (like my brother). A good example of an alumni of the school is Amarachi, Winner of Nigeria's Got Talent Show. She was my brother's classmate and she proceeded to a private university. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarachi. All in all, the students of the school are sound. Unfortunately, I don't have "data" to show to you. Lol.

Thanks for the info. Before your post, I did a bit of search and saw the school produced the second-highest JAMB scorer in 2024. Not a mean feat. So, the school is good by all accounts. I have a lot of work to do regarding checking the trajectories of alumni of the most expensive secondary schools in Nigeria. That will be one interesting study.

You are a rich girl o! Got any of your friends to recommend?

At the bold, you don catch me. I like a data-driven discourse. It makes everything interesting and edutaining.

jelel6:
Very expensive school. But they try to educate their students beyond traditional academics.

Their students are mostly the best when they compete in state wide competitions.

Good to know. So, it is well-balanced. Why the hullabaloo about the perceived ostentatiousness? It is good when readers with knowledge of the school's exploits put out this information so the conversation is well-balanced.

Just checked: the school's alumnus Stephen had the second highest JAMB score in 2023.
- https://www.nairaland.com/8078522/top-10-jamb-score-2024
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CzwkF0WIzFl/

Good school then. They should enjoy!

cococandy:
Nope. He mentioned gender because he thinks he knows better than I do. Simply because he (like others) believe they are more intelligent than women just based on gender alone. That was meant to be condescending.

As condescending as it sounds, well, it is the truth. Many adult males will eventually return to Nigeria at a later date.

But moving on, I get having a couple of houses for personal/family use. Or multiple houses (like he said he does) for investment purposes to generate revenue. But if he’s not earning enough from the investment to be comfortable. Enough to separate his living room from his bedroom at the minimum, was it worth it?

It is part of the moving back to Nigeria I mentioned else there is no economic basis for owning plenty of landed properties in Nigeria when the ROI dwarfs the replicas in the US. But when persons believe in returning to Nigeria at a later date, they rather own such in Nigeria. Their choice anyway. He, just like many Nigerian males in the abroad, does not see Canada (the US might be different) as "home". We have tales of migrants who work abroad, save to build houses in their home countries.

Lovelydaisies:
I hate display of wealth in a colourless environment: you see a mansion sitting near trash, hotels with poor drainage systems, big schools not looking after their surroundings... We show wealth but live in trash. Our wealth should reflect in our words, character and surrounding. Everybody should play their part in governance, in discharging their duties and keeping the environment clean! We're just after our own, our own, e no concern me, e no concern me. Abeg, I'm beginning to sound off topic, but I know what I'm saying.

It takes a lot of learning and mental introspection to implement such if one is born and bred in Nigeria. Where it pains is if the residents residing there once lived abroad. I don't understand how supposedly educated people who studied, worked and lived abroad will now reside in dirty environments with untarred roads coupled with no constant electricity. The other day I read on Instagram that the Chevron area, an elitist area in Lagos, did not have electricity for three days!

It is a major reason I doubt the supposed intelligence of Nigerians.

Glimpsetv:
A video of students from the University Preparatory Secondary School (UPSS), a popular private secondary school in Benin City, has caused a stir online. The video shows the students arriving at their prom in expensive cars and lavish attire.

However, one person on X, formerly known as Twitter, pointed out that UPSS is one of the most expensive private secondary schools in Edo State, Benin City. Given this, they noted that the parents of these students are likely very wealthy and can afford such a lavish lifestyle for their children.

How much is the school fee for a term in say SS1?

cc: folake4u You mentioned excellent academics. Please do you have access to where the JAMB and WASSCE scores of their students are published? Where do the majority of their alumni end up after secondary school education? Private universities in Nigeria? Federal universities or abroad (which of the abroad)? I know the questions are plentiful, but I am just curious because those are some of the metrics used to assess how academically good a secondary school is.

dynicks:
guy u are damn funny!.....why the vex naw; abi person snatch your dinner tonight?

But truth be told sha.....I dey feel envious of them too....make I no lie...

I appreciate your honesty as that is likely the major reason behind those who vehemently criticise them. It is one of the disadvantages of living as a middle-class to an upper-middle-class individual in Nigeria: one gets so much envy from nearby people and passers-by.

siofra:
What are you saying?
She was born in South Africa. She's automatically a South African citizen. Doesn't matter where her parents come from.

That is not true. The laws were changed in 1995: https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/act88of1995.pdf

Why do many Nigerians have an issue with facts and data?

gidgiddy:
I don't know if its simple English that is hard for you people to understand. If a child is born and raised in a country, no matter the citizenship of the parents, or if they faked any citizenship, the child acquires citizenship of that country after a certain age, usually between 7 and 10 years old

Clearly, you have a big problem with the English language. See my response:

No. But because a parent of hers - who was not a South African national at the time of birthing Chidinma - falsified her nationality status, it means Chidinma's claim to South African nationality is doubtful. In simple English, a parent of Chidinma faked her citizenship, so thus, the children's South African citizenship is in doubt. In fact, as it is, she can be stripped of South African citizenship and told to re-apply. Just because she was born and bred in South Africa does not entitle her to being a South African by nationality. South Africa practices a restricted form of jus soli.

So no matter if Chidimma's mother faked whatever citizenship, the fact that Chidimma was born and raised in South Africa gives her South African citizenship

You are not a member of the judicial council in South Africa. Do you issue South African citizenship to foreigners? The bold is patently false. I linked the change in naturalisation laws the government enacted in 1995.

In America, once a child is born there, he or she gets US citizenship at birth, no matter what citizenship the parents might hold

What is the business with how the US issues citizenship to foreigners? Are we discussing US citizenship laws or those of South Africa? If you must urinate, please do so in one place and allow it to foam. If you so much prefer US nationality laws and policies, advise Chidinma to emigrate to the US and participate in its pageantry contests.

cococandy:
What was the point of owning 8 houses and 3 cars in Nigeria if that real estate portfolio can’t give you the financial means to afford a better place in America?

I’m curious to know how this type of financial mindset works .
oney to live comfortably or have money that you can look at and smile while living in squalor?

Many adult Nigerian males who emigrated while in their 30s do wish to return to Nigeria at a later date. That could be the reason. It is not the same for women. So, that could be why he mentioned gender in his response to you.

babtoundey:
"All Nigerian looking..." This must be a joke How do you differentiate the look of a Nigerian from that of a Cameroonian, Ghanian, South African or other near and far dark skinned Africa?

Continue, we are enjoying your tale by moonlight.

Some of us can differentiate it. I have an almost perfect score in doing so. I can accurately pinpoint the region an African comes from and sometimes correctly guess the country. Southern Africans are noticeably different from East Africans as well as West Africans. In Nigeria, there exists a wide chasm between Ijaws and Ibibios. It gets harder between Igbos (from certain states) and Ibibios. Yorubas are distinctively different from Hausa-Fulanis. Ghanaians share similarities with Nigerians, ditto for Ivoriens and Sierra Leonians. Then there is a wide gap between an African American from a black African even if the latter has resided in the US for a long time. You cannot defeat genetics.

The accent, mannerisms, height, facial looks, shape of the head, body structure etc., are some of the characteristics involved.

pansophist:
The sun in Africa does not do justice to the beauty of black skin. The melanin is a gift from God to protect our skin. On the flip side, if the melanin is not overworked, it glows like magic.

Black skin in Africa is overworked due to hard life and sun, that's why when a black person move to a colder country, the skin begin to freshen up, brightens up and radiate with grace.

Black skin is bae.

I beg to differ, it is not the sun, but wealth. Chinese in tropical Singapore have better skin texture than their Mainland cousins because on per capita basis and for a longer time, Singapore has been wealthier than China. The same applies to Japanese and South Koreans - beautiful skins compared to Mainland Chinese. So, while you did mention overworking the body, it is not necessarily the sun but wealth. Should Nigeria become wealthy and more people use air-conditioners in their homes, workplaces, schools, and public transport systems, have money to eat nutritiously, breathe pollutant-free air, perform less physically taxing roles etc., the residents will have beautiful skins. An example is the difference between children raised in Ikoyi vs Okokomaiko. Another example is the difference is between Barbadians vs Haitians.

DMerciful:
There is no doubt about it. If you're passing through SA and gave birth there, that person is a citizen. Thats how the Europeans in SA became South Africans

That is not true. The laws were changed in 1995. Europeans, just like Indians or Chinese who moved in as indentured workers, are different from post-1995 immigrants. Again, just because a non-South African gave birth in South Africa does not mean the child automatically becomes a South African.
Here is the 1995 declaration: https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/act88of1995.pdf

I'm curious - do you never, ever, bother to check data before expressing an opinion?

Savagethe21st:
i love reading your posts because you back everything with statistics and research papers

Thanks. I am an advocate of:
- Facts, not fats; Figures, not figos.
- In God we trust; all others must bring data - William Edwards Deming
- I no fit lie give you or Trust me bro is not an evidence.

gidgiddy:
Whatever her mother may have done, does that take away the fact that was born and raised in South Africa?

No. But because a parent of hers - who was not a South African national at the time of birthing Chidinma - falsified her nationality status, it means Chidinma's claim to South African nationality is doubtful. In simple English, a parent of Chidinma faked her citizenship, so thus, the children's South African citizenship is in doubt. In fact, as it is, she can be stripped of South African citizenship and told to re-apply. Just because she was born and bred in South Africa does not entitle her to being a South African by nationality. South Africa practices a restricted form of jus soli.

DMerciful:
If you're born in SA, just like USA and Canada, you're a citizen.

Whether legal or illegal immigrants does not change that fact

South Africa practices a restricted form of jus soil mode of nationality. It is not automatic as in the US. Since the authorities say the mother falsified her nationality status, it puts into doubt Chidinma's South African claim to citizenship.

Savagethe21st:
The teens I know who grew up in white dominated environments are half caste and most of them married white women

That is perfectly normal and is actually backed by research. Most children from interracial marriages go on to marry members of the dominant racial group. So biracial male children whose fathers are black date and marry white women. Biracial children whose mothers are black - not common in societies with few black people - do the same.

haybhi1:
Well, your hypothesis does not seem supported by people like Mikel, Pogba, Taribo, Osaze, Kante, Soyinka first wife, ... and so on.
Heck see this quora thread discussing the subject matter indeed https://www.quora.com/If-race-doesnt-matter-why-are-all-the-wives-of-black-football-players-white

Those are celebrities who have money and status. While some black sporting celebrities marry white women, it does not correlate to a majority of black men marrying white women. Everywhere outside of Africa, black people marry themselves. This includes the US as well. So your examples are largely statistically infinitesimal.
Here are three research papers which looked at inter-racial marriages and the reasons behind them:
1. Senegalse Muslim men who married in Europe and later returned to Senegal. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01419870.2024.2320775#abstract
2. How Dutch authorities clampdown on "sham marriages": https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2019.1625129
3. This concluded that young people (both men and women) from poorer countries trade their youth for US citizenship: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/padr.12072

haybhi1:
Well, that premise is still not objective enough. He either generalized too much in his instance or got too subjective. If you—I mean yourself—conduct a poll/research on NL how many are attracted to Whites, you'll find roughly 50% male and females want a White. I know that might have been a guestimate but have you seen how much we celebrate marrying Whites?

It may have a thing to do with our poor socioeconomic conditions though, but getting engaged to Whites, unfamiliar with our culture, is not a rarity among Blacks. In fact, many popular Black footballers/athletes make it a priority.

That is the reason - economic reasons aka I use am get paper. The Nigerian men in Canada have PRs through their grit, so they are not pressured to marry a citizen to get residency rights. In the US, our men marry African American women because the immigration paths differs from Canada. What I say is that in the abroad, especially in countries with a substantial black population, once a Nigerian man obtains residency rights through his grit, he gravitates towards a black woman, preferably African.

Skooltynz:
Both thick and thin women are all women but why do we find the thicker ones attractive I try to comprehend the scientific reason behind this phenomenon but it doesn't just come why do we love thick women.

You are a black man who like most people across the world grew up in a black dominated environment, thus, you will attracted to the women around you, in this case, who are black women. Black women, on average, have bigger breasts and wider hips. Evolutionary behaviour.

pansophist:
Depends on the culture though.

Men tend to be attracted to their women, and vice versa. If you see a black boy who grew up in maybe Asia, then his preference will be Asian women.

The bold is actually a research question I intend to answer one day. The questions go as thus:

"What is the sexual perception towards black women by black men who were born and bred in societies with fewer black people?"
"What about black men who were born and bred for at least 25 years (why 25 years?) in black-dominated societies but later relocated to societies with fewer black people? What is their sexual perception towards black women afterwards?"

Using myself as an example, while I find Japanese and Korean women facially attractive, I cherish the big breasts and hips of well-shaped black women. The first time I came across a black lady - Gambia - I lost concentration for almost 30 minutes. A Nlder wrote about how his friend, who was based in the UK, was excited to see women when he visited Nigeria. Unfortunately, the Nlder did not answer the question of which region his friend resides in the UK as I doubt it was in Greater London.

haybhi1:
Omo, not exactly o. I know many naija men wey never even comot SW yet dey dream of marrying White yankee babe for happily ever after kinda setting

Because dem never comot. Ednut has written about how many Nigerian men in Canada fanaticised marrying white Canadian women, but after living there for a while, they married Nigerian or other black African women. This is largely because they grew as teens through adulthood as black men in a black-dominated society. The research interest will be to focus on black men who grew up in societies with fewer black people/women and their sexual perception towards black women. Think of black teens in Finland, Norway, South Korea, Russia etc.

alanto:
Gidgiddy, mrvitalis

I created this thread because you said igbo own 70% pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria..

These are the major Pharmaceutical companies own by Nigerians in Nigeria.

Nigerians and their constant ethnic bickering.

So, how come Emzor is not among them? BTW, what metrics did you use to ascertain that those are the biggest pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria?

Even mrvitalis and Gidgiddy are wrong because I am sure they cannot prove that Igbos own 70% of pharma companies in Nigeria.

Nevertheless, nothing surprising to read here. Nigerians are not intelligent people.

Even though he blocked me on Twitter for yet-to-be-known reason, I agree with this quoted part:

I will reiterate something I have said multiple times - I am not a believer in the religious faith called Climate Change/Saving The Environment. I care exactly as much about the environment as do the rich white men who destroyed it to begin with. I firmly believe that if what it takes for Africa to industrialise is for it to burn so much fossil fuel that snow stops falling in Wisconsin and it starts raining concentrated sulphuric acid in Doncaster, it is not too big a price for Europe and North America to pay - it is certainly not bigger than the price Africa had to pay for Europe and North America to develop.

It is and will continue to be 100% OUR prerogative to determine what to do with our hydrocarbons. It is not the rich white men hiding behind these "Climate Advocacy NGOs" who will tell us what to do with our energy reserves, and by what means we are allowed to escape the poverty that they engineered for us.

I don't believe in the mumbo-jumbo term "climate change". My interest is for Africa to develop, and if it means the earth will burn, then let it burn! It also helps that David has never been a fan of Dangote, but so far, the refinery must exist and be protected.

Calitoscassius:
Don't mind that ignoramus, what he failed to realise is that the UK is still slaving Naigerians only this time, Naigerians are willing and begging to be enslaved.

430000 Naigerians are working like slaves and paying taxes into the UK economy, spending their salaries in the UK.

If that is the case, then every migrant is a slave to the resident government.

Botragelad:
Then after flying to the UK, you chaps make a mess of it until it becomes another third world country, or haven't you noticed that it's mostly illegal immigrants from third word country flocking to the UK? Let's say you manage to take over the UK and replace it with your culture, how do you plan to sustain it? I've noticed most of you don't like to start from scratch, you just love what's already been built, and after ruining something good, you start looking for somewhere else that's good. Isn't that a cycle of confusion? Funny lot.

Maybe the British should have stayed where they were instead of colonising countries up and down.

ednut1:
Inspired by Reno whose first family lives in USA and his second on in UK. He should move them to Nigeria so that it can grow naira

He has two different families?

Tightpussy2024:
He plans to...

Seems you don't know what's up

So you assume all cases of unmarried couples with kids didn't start with him planning to.

Well, both genders are judged differently. Such is life.

Your friend's tale is unfortunate and the man is being dishonest. I wonder why a man will have a child with a woman he does not plan to marry. At least, he is in Nigeria or his assets are (am I correct here). If it were to be in the west, I can understand even though there are laws which don't care if the parties are married or not.

But I am curious, why does the mom want the child to be raised in the US till teenage age as opposed to Nigeria?

Tightpussy2024:
You will never see people like gerrar.d59 and other moralists complaining of single parenthood now. I am seeing congrats.if to say na woman,hmmnnn

He plans to marry the said lady. Why did you omit that part?

Tribalistic Nigerians accusing South Africans of xenophobia

pocohantas:
Make she come Naija and leave that SA. I trust our brothers, they appreciate foreign women. They will spoil her.

Come to think of it, one girl faced similar issue in Nigeria recently. But Nigerians no too get time when dealing with foreigners. So hers wasn't this malicious. I can't even remember her name or the competition.

Lydia Balogun? I think hers was different because her family is influential and she was in Lagos's influential circles (judging from the pictures she posted). It was actually African American women who were baffled that a "fair" lady (as if there are no monoracially black women) could represent Nigeria, the world's most populous black country. Lydia's competition was something Miss Universe.

pansophist:
When people worship celebrities, I see slaves who are puppets to those who control everything in the background.
% of my followers I don't want to be friends with in real life?

Is money a sufficient compensation for the above?

The only time I will value popularity is when I hold real power, like a president or CEO of an influential company, so that if you block me everywhere online, I won't feel it one bit. Putin has such power, as Trump

But if your fame is just one block away from being irrelevant, then you have fake power. Your fame and power is at the mercy of others and only exist virtually.

I agree with everything. For the bold, let it be a firm that does not sell directly to everyday consumers. Say, be the CEO of a steel or lithium processing company. Already, some consumers are threatening not to buy Tesla because of Elon's tweets and some Western consumer goods companies have seen revenues and profits nosedived because of their open support for the Israeli government.