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I blame OP for this. You don't put your personal life on nairaland. There too many frustrated clowns out here. 90% of people on this forum don't even have a passport. Most of my friends abandoned this forum ages ago because of the toxicity of the commenters. They don't like people who are doing better than them. Poster is living a life that most of them will NEVER have. That hurts them.

Aaaaarghmed:
But why bad belle people full nairaland like this.i weep.person post pictures and his experience. So many hateful comments, na wa o.this is why I will forever remain anonymous here.

They are laughing at the average Nigerian who is more occupied with tribalism, religious bigotry and partisan politics instead of fighting their real enemy who are the corrupt political class.

Nigerians are really allergic to the truth lol. Yes, the OP could have conveyed his words in a nicer way but the fact of the matter is that Nigeria is a mess. You don't need to travel to Canada, US or Uk to know this. Visit places like Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, UAE or Turkey and you will understand what I mean. Every country has it's problems, ghettos and poor but most functionals countries have something in common that Nigeria doesn't: decent infrastructure, light, good water system, quality education and financial incentives for the working class. Can Nigeria boast of that? That is the question.

Welcome to my world Gerrard. Now you know what we, who lived abroad for ages and have travelled to many corners of the globe, have been saying for years. Your "luxury" in Nigeria is actually a ghetto lifestyle. How can you say that you are living a luxurious lifestyle but the road to your house/business is in a mess, there are potholes everywhere, your house/business easily gets flooded when it rains, people openly defecate roads leading to your house/business, the gutters next to your house are open and your house hasn't been painted in ages? That's ghetto living if you ask me. Observe the areas where the rich in organized societies live and the difference is as clear as day and night.Oh, let's not forget that area boys live not too far from where the rich live.

Gerrard59:
This is true because you have properties going for hundreds of millions of naira in places with no standard drainage systems, no piped water, mosquitoes everywhere and untarred roads. Living in a developed world has made me realise most of what we term "luxuries" aren't luxurious in the real sense of it. The other day on TwitterNG, I saw a Telsa Cybertrunk being driven on untarred roads in Ibadan. That is a "luxurious lifestyle".

I have yet to even see it all, but I strongly doubt anything "luxurious" in Nigeria would move me again.

OP, the reality of things is that many graduates all over the world are doing jobs that don't corollate with their qualifications. I'm not giving any excuses to the messed up economic situation in Nigeria but the fact of the matter is that COVID and the Russian/Ukrainian war has messed up the global economy. The job market now is ultra competitive compared to our parents time. Too many degree holders and not too many jobs to cater to them. Graduates need to learn a skill that will set them apart from the competition. Gain IT skills, get professional qualifications or specialize in a lucrative field. Think outside the box. Most importantly, know how to sell yourself. No one can do that for you.

This is blunt truth. JAPA is a leveler. Anyone who is able to migrate and live in a functional society will no longer worship "big men" in Nigeria. That's why a lot of bosses despise foreign graduates. The home grads are easier to manipulate and control compared to their foreign counterparts who would question their decisions. I saw it when I moved back to Nigeria to attend Nigerian Law School. The lecturers literally instigated those who studied in Nigeria against those of us who studied abroad. They mocked our accents and told us to stop using "phonetics" even though some of us had lived abroad for many years. Nigerians don't like people who are self-aware and know their worth. The more woke people, the fewer worshippers.

What you have highlighted is the blunt reality of the everyday workplace in Nigeria.

tensazangetsu20:
They don’t want you to japa so they can send you errands when they come back from holidays. Go wash car, go and cook. Go and feed the children. I pity anyone listening to them. Better go abroad and suffer and fail and come back to Nigeria than to remain and wonder what would have been. Failure is better than regret always.

That's how many of them are. Even relatives aren't left out. My uncle is always complaining about people who leave the country. He always says that there's nothing abroad and that Nigeria is where it's at. Meanwhile, this same man migrated to the UK in 80s when he was a young man, got his professional qualifications, worked abroad for a few years before moving back to Nigeria. This same man is a dual national and is presently sorting out American citizenship for his kids. If he's so patriotic, why obtain dual nationality? That's the problem that we are facing in Nigeria. Hypocrisy. Just look at Femi Kuti. He's telling Nigerians not to JAPA but he and his son Made are British citizens. Same with Segun Agbaje of GTB who studied in the UK and US. His kids are all dual nationals. The elites just want to be the gatekeepers to prosperity in this part of the world. They need people to worship them and their kids

ednut1:
The elite and politicans mostly had their kids in the USA or elsewhere. They have dual citizenship. But they dont want you to japa. If you listen to them then you are foolish .

A former boss of mine complained about it on LinkedIn, how audit firms in UK were poaching auditors from Nigeria . But his own wife and children are USA citizens o 😂

Nigerians have been emigrating out of the country for years and no one complained. People have been migrating since the mid-80s. Yet, have you lots noticed that so many Politicians, business men, religious figures, traditional rulers, top bankers, senior lawyers and economist are all complaining about many people JAPAing from the country? That's because their best and brightest who have been oppressed by them for many years have decided to take their talents to where they are appreciated. I will speak for my profession. I am a lawyer and many lawyers who were called to the Bar in the past 13 years have resigned from their law firms and migrated to Canada and the U.S. Many Senior Lawyers are bitter because they no longer have docile lawyers who would serve them for YEARS without being made partner. The same for the banking sector. Many middle staff have left after years of psychological abuse by the Ogas at the top who make serious profits and pay their staff peanuts. It's the same in most industries and professions in the country.

The elites, in collaboration with the politicians, have destroyed the middle class. The remaining middle class are leaving the country for them to control. The elites have properties and assets abroad but will tell you to be patriotic to your fatherland. They send their children to the best schools abroad and many of them have second passports but they don't want you to have. Shine your eyes.

I used Air Peace in October for my trip to London and their Aircraft is damn old. No inflight entertainment. Can't charge my phone. Their food was good though. I only used them because it's direct and Gatwick is not far from where I live in London. There's a lot that they need to do if they plan to ply the international route on the long haul.

davodyguy:
Yes oo.

Someone claiming Air Peace was a competition. I laughed. With their old school Aircraft that looks like Molue Boeing 777

They are needed but to really industrialize Nigeria, the country needs to invest heavily in Science & Technology. In this modern age, innovation is the new oil & gold. STEMS (Science, IT & Engineering) is crucial for any serious country to be competitive. The issue is that Nigerian politicians know this but would never do it but an innovative workforce is a threat to their corrupt rule.

Kbrule:
Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?

I bought a 2017 KIA RIO in 2018 for 7.5 million. That same car now is about 17 million. Inflation is a b****h.

ednut1:
I bought 2005 camry in 2016 for 1.55m naira. The same car is over 5m today

I get you. If you are intent on setting up a business, please research other African countries that are politically and economically stable. Hell, if you can raise more capital, you can travel to South American countries like Brazil or uruguay and set up a business there. Those countries are more economically stable than those in Africa and the cost of living is lower than the west. Always think outside the box.

Ernesthugo:
Senegal is a good country I can say, but my major headache is when they have unrest like Nigeria, there is no where to run to.

OP, listen to this joker at your own peril. Blokes like him keep regurgitating the same crap for past 30 years. Talking about farming when farmers cannot visit their farms due to kidnapping, unknown gunmen, boko haram and insurgency. Talking about setting up a business in a country where many mulltinationals have jumped ship. Are you wiser than Guinness, Glaxco and Shoprite that have been doing business in Nigeria for decades? Are you wiser than Richard Branson, a globally renowned business man, who bitterly complained about the cost of doing business in Nigeria? Do you think that it's easy setting up a business in a country where the middle-class (the engine of any economy) has been wiped out due to poor economic policies and inflation that has destroyed many businesses?

OP, if you must venture into business, go to a country that is business friendly and your money will take you far like Senegal, Cote d'ivoire or Ghana. Business my a** like it's that simple.

DrDoc:
Why dont you use this money to build wealth here ? How you people jump on this travel train can be very very unbelieveable. 10M will set up an irrigated Soya Beans farm that will give atleast 80 M in eight months. Nigerians smh

Saw it on Instablog Naija. Good for him. We have advised our fellow men several time but they will not listen. Men keep saying that they don't care about a woman's money, intellect or status in society as long as she's loyal and submissive. Well, that's the problem. You have no standards and they (women) know it. Ask yourself a very serious question, if the roles were reversed, would she do the same? Hell no. Women are more logical than men. They will NEVER settle for less.

How many times have you heard/seen a Nigerian woman sponsor her man abroad? How many times have you heard of a Nigerian lady overseas coming home to pick a husband? They would rather die single than try such. How many times have you heard of a woman who has a car dating a man on leggediz benz? Never. Even that illiterate girl from your village that you think is a "wifey material" would never settle for you if the roles were reversed. Many men are stupid and not logical.

All of these are wrong. As of now, the only western country that guarantees you PR in less than 5 years is Canada. The Canadian express entry program ensures that you will get your PR within six months. You will have to apply from your home country though.

The country with the quickest route to citizenship bar the citizenship by investment scheme is Argentina. You can become a naturalized citizen of Argentina in just 2 years. Please bear in mind that Argentina is very racist towards people of black african descent.

Brazil offers permanent residency and citizens within four years of living in the country. PR is granted almost immediately after marrying a Brazilian citizen.

New Zealand. PR can be obtained within 6-12 months through skilled migration or specific investment streams.

Paraguay. PR can be obtained after 3 years of residency.

For most western countries it is 5 years. So think well.

Unfortunately, It does. Even here in Nigeria, many lifelong friendships were destroyed due to the results of the last election. It takes mutual love, respect, maturity and tolerance to overcome political differences.

Jorussia:
Politics should never get to this level.

He doesn't. If he knew the caliber of people commenting on this platform, he wouldn't bring such a private matter here.

Myrrhis:
And you brought it to nairaland?
I don't think you love your wife.

Nigerians need to understand that most of these embassies are business centers. They make a lot of money from rejected visas. It's not only in Nigeria. Most African countries have a very high rejection rate. Even countries like Algeria that's more organized than Nigeria has a very high rejection rate. I always advise people not to put all their eggs in one basket. The average Nigerian has the mentality that it's either U.S. or bust. That's what happened this man. Always widen your options. Look at non-english speaking countries like Brazil, France, Spain, Poland and Finland. They are much cheaper than the U.S. and it's easier to move to the States from those countries after acquiring your degree and gaining work experience. Lastly, never rely on travel agents who are only interested in your money. Consult an Immigration lawyer who would give you legal advice.

People call me a Simp when I say that my gender is stupid. It is unprofessional and unethical to be having sexual relations with your staff. Some men can't control their third leg and will shag anything moving. Kudos to the girl. She's secured her future. Now, her real character will gradually come out now that she's secured the bag.

OP, while I get what you are saying about Southerners losing important positions in the civil service due to the JAPA Syndrome, you have to bear in mind that Southerners are ultra-competitive while most Northerners are content with what they have. As one commentator rightly said, Southerners think globally while Northerners think locally. Southerners want to compete with their contemporaries across the globe while Northerners are contented with thriving in a society that runs on quota system and corruption.

You have a lot of time and energy to argue with people who have either suffered numerous visa rejections, deported or have not ever left the shores of Nigeria. Most of them are APC zombies who are bitter at people who have better options than them. If they were truly exposed, they would know that the remittances from the Nigerians in Diaspora is the second largest money maker after oil exports.

ednut1:
go on LinkedIn. 4 of my ex colleagues in Nigeria have become directors in the past 2 years. They continued their careers from where they left off in Nigeria. I got a level higher in my first job in Canada at a big 4 audit firm. Keep believing negativity na u sabi 😉

Don't mind that Egbon! Same thing Segun Agbaje of GTB Bank said. They are all hypocrites. I understand Nigeria better than the average Nigerian. The elites in this country do not want the masses to prosper. From your bosses to politicians to traditional leaders. They will preach patriotism, unity and loyalty to your country while sending their wards to the best schools abroad. They will acquire properties, assets and citizenship abroad while telling you to endure hardship in Nigeria with the promise of a "better tomorrow" . I don't blame them though. They understand that Nigeria is a cashout venture. Make your money and flex it abroad . The elites know that the masses are docile sheep who lick their bum if necessary. Just look at the comments here.

Mindlog:
"Kuti noted that iconic landmarks like the Fela Shrine were built in Africa, not abroad, and even those with dual citizenship contribute to Nigeria’s growth, citing his son, Made Kuti as an example"......Uncle, na dat same dual citizenship many dey hustle for.😂😂😂

I had to post more on this issue. How do you fight for a country that is divided along ethnic, religious, class and political lines? Nigerians are not united. Let's stop deceiving ourselves. Your votes do not matter as they will be cancelled by INEC. If people decide to protest, they will be beaten, maimed and possibly killed by the army. So how do you fight for a country that doesn't give a damn about you? These are the issues.

I respect uncle Femi Kuti a lot but he messed up. Such statements should not come from him. He himself is a dual national as he was born in the UK and his kids are dual nationals as well. He and his kids can leave Nigeria whenever they want. You cannot say the same for 99% of Nigerians. Made, his son, has better options than most kids in this country. He can travel to most countries without applying for a visa. Something that 99.9% of Nigerian citizens cannot do. Most people actually Japa in order to acquire what he and Made have. Uncle Femi should sit this one out. He's in no position to tell Nigerians not to give themselves options when he and most of the country's elites have dual citizenship. It's always those who have options that will tell people without options to stay put and not further themselves. Nonsense.

I would recommend Grenadian citizenship by investment. The reasons are as follows:

1. It is cheaper than most Caribbean citizenship by investment schemes. With the current high exchange rate, that is a very important factor to consider.

2. It grants you visa-free access to China which most of the other Island countries bar Dominica can't.

3. It has the E visa which enables you to migrate to the U.S. and establish a business there. You can't beat that.

4. Grenada is one of the least affected countries in the Caribbean in regards to natural disasters.

These are my reasons for choosing the Grenadian passport over other Caribbean passports. St. Kitts has more visa-free access countries but it does have access to the Chinese market nor does it give you the option of migrating to the U.S.

Ozone007:
This is one topic I have not be able to find in nairaland so I decide to create it.

Which would you advise?

Note that the following countries have golden visa:

Portugal (€500,000 investment)
Hungary (€250,000 investment)
Greece (€250,000 investment)

You will be issue 3 to 5 years Residence permit which is renewable on expiration or apply for permanent residence which can lead to citizenship

Citizenship by investment

The following countries offer it:

St Kitts and Nevis ($280,000 idonation and haves access to 157 countries including US,UK and Canada)

Antigua and Barbuda ($220,000 donation and access to 151 countries)

Dominical ($200,000 donation and have access to 147 countries)

St Lucia ($200,000 donation and have access to 150 countries)

Grenada ($210 donation and have access to 149 countries)

Which would you recommend and why?

Why do we Nigerians like to exaggerate everything?? Nigeria is not even among the top 20 countries as far as emigration goes but we act like Nigerians are the only ones affecting by mass emigration. What about countries like Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Guatemala, Niger and Albania where half of their population are based abroad? What about countries like the Philippines where most of their youth are living outside the country in order to earn a living?

As for the loss of family cohesion, even within Nigeria, you have many family members living in different states or does that not count? Many Nigerians have been migrating out of the country since the 70s. The only difference now is that it's worst due to the sorry state of the economy and the effects of social media.

There are over 200 million people living in Nigeria, of which 90% live in poverty. How many Nigerians have the opportunity to migrate abroad? Nigerians can exaggerate sha.

Any rich block in Nigeria that is below the age of 32 is either an entertainer, has rich parents or started business at an early age. Even at that, they form less than 0.5% of the male population of this country. Nigerian women aren't ready for that conversation. Men who worked hard for their money marry women of a certain class e.g. Bank W, M.I. and Captain Demureen (Toolz's husband). Even Moses Bliss of recent is married to a British-Ghanian lady who is comfortable.

franchasofficia:
Very correct.


It is highly impossible to find a Nigerian man below 32yrs that is rich and single.


Due to harsh economic realities in Nigeria, most men become financially stable from 35yrs and above, and they start entering the rich class mostly from 40yrs and above and by this time they are either married, divorced or seriously engaged, yet Naija girls will be daydreaming of having a 30yrs old guy that is rich, tall, handsome, born again and faithful as boyfriend lol



Don't come and tell me about some Yahoo boys that have made millions at 22 or 25 or below 30, Yahoo money no be money, na wind, it can blow away any time when maga stops paying which must happen.



And for the guys, unless you are financially successful that you can comfortably buy a car of 10million without stress, you own a good car worth 7m above in Naija, you earn a legitimate income of at least 800k and above every month, my brother forget about getting that tall, slim big ass, firm boobs, flat tummy, glowing skin under 28yrs chick, just manage your Wunmi, Amaka and Onome in peace until your money reach lol.


Yes you can be lucky, but even when you are lucky to hook one of your pretty village chick or your pretty classmate or street babe or lesson class hottie, she will fly away if you remain broke

Lol, that a nickname one of my uncles gave me when I was a child. I've been using it ever since.

Lonestar124:
Where do you get the name Gforce, that is the name of engine oil I used

This social media age has made relationships so difficult for many people. What makes me laugh the most is when women keep stating that they want a man who is "rich, tall, handsome, has six packs and speaks well". Not only that, they expect such a man to be loyal only to them. I mean, how delusional can you be? You expect a man with all those qualities to be 100% faithful to you? Women fail to understand that such men make up less than 2% of any society. Yes, even in the "developed world", such men are a minority not a majority. In a country like Nigeria, the percentage is less than 1%. Most rich men in this country are 45+, chubby and very average looking. Ladies, just know that loyal men like David Beckham are a rarity. Even at that, he still cheated on Victoria with Rebecca Loos.

Same thing with the fellas. If you aren't affluent, your chances of securing a woman that has everything i.e. face, tits, bum, slim, intelligent, speaks well and is submissive is slim. There's too much competition to date such a woman and they usually taken once they cross the legal age.

I get you now. I thought that you meant citizenship. In that case, you are absolutely correct. People who came through illegal immigration have no right to advice those who migrated legally.

idahme:
Yours is a different ball gamez when I use the word having documents I meant a legal right to work not necessarily a PR. Having a work permits gives you a document to work in that land unlike what illegal aliens go through.

The US is special because of their peculiar immigration laws that makes it a quota based system unlike Canada that make it a point based system or point based system. You can seamlessly have a work visa post studies even if it takes you a decade to have a PR you already have a document to continue to work wherever you find yourself.

My point was that illegal migrants who usually pass through hell should never be in the position to advice legal migrants who are in tandem with the laws of the host and have every approvals to function legally.

Egbon (Senior), congrats. Even though I've argued against people 40+ migrating, with the way Nigeria is now, it doesn't matter anymore. Nigeria is an economically unstable country. You just don't know what to expect. You are doing the best for your family. I hope that your children will appreciate the sacrifices you are making for them. Don't listen to all the negative commentators. These lots think that everything is about money. They don't understand what it's like to live in a functional society. Most Nigerians living in Nigeria think that being a big man in a small pond is normal.

Errm, it took me ten years before I become a permanent resident and I came through the study route. Was never at one point illegal and was staying with my relatives. It takes a while to naturalize in Europe. It took my family friend ten years to naturalize in Cyprus (South) and he was studying and working there. I know some people who have been in the States for almost two decades and they haven't gotten their papers yet. They came as students, graduated and have been working ever since with top firms in the States. The Canadian PR route you mentioned is an exception and not the norm.

idahme:
Advice from people who passed through Libya.

Some of these folks think people can't get paparrs from their comfort zone in Nigeria before relocating? People get PR and work permits before travelling. This advice is for illegal migrants, what the heck is people take ten years to get documents? So you enter Europe without documents? Wonders shall never end.