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N7,000 on Tuesday and N8,000 on Saturday. The highest i have spent is N10,000 and that is because it was getting to quarter tank. Pre-fuel increment, I used to refuel my car every 3 days.

remi4ever:
How much on those days?

OP, let me give you free expo. Women, especially Nigerian women, are not stupid. Before they decide to go on a date with you, they have already sized you up. They know who they can use as a MAGA and those who are too sophisticated for them. Nigerian women from poor homes see men of their class as easy preys who lack options like them. So it's easier for them to take them for a ride. Whereas, when they see guys from rich backgrounds, self-made men or repatriates with foreign accents, they are intimidated. They are particularly intimidated by men with foreign accents (my experience anyways) as they don't regard them as being "Nigerian enough" to simp for them. There you have it.

I refuel my car twice a week (Tuesdays and Saturdays). Lucky for me, my workplace is close to where I live so I don't have to do a long-distance journey like most Lagosians. I also ensure that my fuel tank does not reach half tank. In this APC era, you have to use common sense to survive Nigeria.

I'm not surprised by this. Ike allowed himself to be ridiculed via his simping behavior towards women. If you go through his Instagram page, his content is only about women and loving for love. Dude refused to develop himself. How can a guy who grew up in America be dating a street girl like Mercy? The guy doesn't know how to package himself to get high quality women. Look at Pere and Boma, those guys are also American citizens but they know how to sell themselves.

Many of those who advice people to "invest" or "set up a business" are ignorant and not true entrepreneurs. Not everybody has a business mind. Two, the business climate in Nigeria is one of the worst in the world despite it's massive population. Your employees will frustrate you, Government policies will make things difficult for you, your customers/clients will be owing you money and the difficulty in obtaining loans from Banks will frustrate you. As someone rightly mentioned, only large scale businesses like Dangote Cement, Ibru business empire or small scale businesses like recharge cards, food vending or small chemist shops thrive in Nigeria.

If your business backfires and you have no back-up plan, you are finished.

Gerrard, you need to stop giving these people attention. The more you talk about them, the more popular they become and the more embolded they are to air out their views on this platform. I once mentioned that Nigerians suffer from what is called "Crabs in a bucket" syndrome. That is, they want to be the gatekeepers to success. They don't want their fellow countrymen to have the same opportunities as them.

I also have a second passport courtesy of me having lived in Europe for almost 13 years. I'm currently based in Nigeria and do travel back and forth while I can. Despite this, you will never see me discourage people from traveling out. I only tell people to have a full-proof plan before they JAPA so that they will not end up having any regrets. Nigeria is a necessary evil but at the same time, it is very tough. If you can't help people to cope with this messed up administration, don't discourage them for seeking alternative options outside Nigeria.

This is what I said in one of my posts a few months ago and I was lambasted as drunkard. Immigration is not for the faint-hearted. It's best to do it in your prime. It's best to do it when you have no responsibilities and no established career. There's a reason why student visas are the most common visas for those who want to JAPA LEGALLY. As a student, especially undergraduate, you have the advantage of learning how the system works at uni. It is also easier to form friendships and relationships while in uni than as a graduate in a company.

One can immigrate at a mature age. It's just that you have to start over from scratch except you are lucky to secure a job or already have something on ground before you arrive.

tensazangetsu20:
Men a scary reality. The best time to do this japa thing is in ones early 20s get the passport and come back to Nigeria or go anywhere else.

I agree but what choice does he have? Citizenship via investment in Portugal, Cyprus, Spain or Malta starts at $500,000. Its $1million in Malta, 1million GB in the UK and at least $1 million in the U.S. You still have to live in those countries for at least 3 years before you qualify and acquire it. Otherwise, he may have to Japa to get it.

tensazangetsu20:
True, however it's not easy growing one million to a hundred thousand US dollars o.

I'm well aware that the UK and some European countries are canceling visa-free access for some of those caribbean countries as many people have used those countries passports as a backdoor to the UK and Europe. Nevertheless, it's still the OP's best bet as many European countries are canceling their own citizenship via investment routes (Malta,Cyprus and now Portugal). Otherwise, he may have to go through Canada PR express entry or go to Brazil and marry a citizen there. The caribbean citizenship via investment is his best bet as it's cheaper (minimum of $100K) and he doesn't have to live there in order to get it. That's what a lot of Nigerian politicians and captains of industry are doing right now.

tensazangetsu20:
European countries are beginning to cancel visa free access for carribean countries. The UK just cancelled access for Dominica.

OP, you are earning close to N1million. 95% of Nigerians are not earning that amount. If you JAPA in haste, you may not earn the same amount or be able to replicate the lifestyle you have in Nigeria. My advise to you is to invest your money, make a profit and buy a second passport. Yes, go through the citizenship by investment route. When you have enough capital, you can acquire a caribbean passport (St. Kitts, Dominica, Grenada) which will give you visa free access to most countries in the West. Don't put all your eggs in Nigeria. With a second passport, you have an exit strategy in case Nigeria gets too hot for you. With a second passport, your children's future is secure. With a second passport, you can be shuttling back and forth between Europe and Nigeria. With a second passport, you can work anywhere in world. Please, focus on what I just said and don't allow anyone to distract you (including women) until you have achieved this. Shalom.

This topic highlights the level of ignorance amongst Nigerians who studied in Nigeria. Foreign-trained doctors failing the medical exam does not mean that they are olodos or that their home-trained counterparts are more intelligent than them. Any one who has gone through the Nigerian education system would know that the system makes it difficult for people to pass. In Nigeria, lecturers focus on theory rather than practicals. They want you to regurgitate everything they teach you in your examination papers.

The reason why Nigerian student do so well abroad is because they studied in a very stressful environment. Once they migrate abroad for further studies, they do well because the environment is stress free. That does not mean that they are better than their foreign-trained counterparts. It just means that they can afford to focus more as they are not dealing with sadistic lecturers who intentionally want them to fail. Foreign-trained Nigerian doctors on the other hand, struggle to pass the exams here as they are used to studying in a stress-free environment where the questions are straight forward, they actually practice what they teach and are not subjected to oppressive lecturers and examiners who want to fail as many people as possible.

If the educational system in Nigeria is so good, why aren't Nigerian medical schools ranked in the top 400 in the world? They aren't even in the top 15 medical schools in Africa.

Finally, I hope you lots know that "foreign" trained could be those studying in Ghana and other African countries?

Nigerians, unfortunately, don't think that way. They believe that everyone must be an entrepreneur.. They don't understand that not everybody is business-minded. No society has ever thrived on the idea that everyone should be an entrepreneur. Not even the big daddy of capitalism (the USA). You must have your doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, nurses, accountants, teachers, cleaners, garbage truck men,electricians, plumbers, painters, mechanics, soldiers and even road sweepers for any thriving society to succeed.

Jesse6:
If all of us come get company who go come be workers?

It's like the only thing Nigerians talk about is marriage and relationships. Nothing innovative/creative. Anyways, there are several reasons why many young Nigerians are not in a relationship.

1. Economic hardship: The economy is not favoring young Nigerians (especially the men) at all. Many are unemployed, earning low salary, on contract or their businesses aren't doing well. Relationships cost money.

2. Entitlement mentality of Nigerian women: A lot of Nigerian women are entitled. Most see their boyfriends as their second father. They believe that they are entitled to monthly maintenance salary. In a country where the national minimum wage is N30,000, how can such men (who are the majority) afford to keep up?

3. Technology. Technology has diminished relationships amongst young people. Young people are more hooked to their laptops or phones than socializing with others.

4. Social media. Social media, which is a by-product of technology, has destroyed so many relationships. It has made women around the world more materialistic than ever before. This is not specific to Nigerians alone but a global problem. Social media promotes fake materialistic lifestyles that most people cannot sustain. Social media has led to the rise of hook up culture.

5. Too much responsibilities placed on Nigerian men due to culture. Nigerian men are told from a young age that they have to take care of their women. They are told that they are 100R% responsible for taking care of all the finances at home. With that level of responsibility, why won't men stay single? It's better to be seen as lazy, irresponsible than to die as a SIMP. So many men have died before their time due to numerous responsibilities.

When I tell people that it's best to Japa when you are in your prime (18-27), I was insulted and called a drunkard. This is despite the fact that I mentioned that i lived in that same UK for over 12 years. I moved there immediately after secondary school, did A'levels (pre-uni) and had family members who helped me adjust to the system.Who better to explain what living abroad is like? It;s not easy when you moved to a country where you don't know anyone.

The best time to establish everlasting relationships with people is secondary school and university (1st Degree). You will interact with people from the same age group as you. People who moved abroad at a younger age find it easier to make friends and have a relationship with someone than someone who moved in their late twenties and above. People in their late twenties and above have spent all their formative years in Nigeria (primary, secondary, university). As a result, their all their closest friends are those they went to school with in Nigeria. All their dating experience is with a Nigerian under a Nigerian setting.

Abroad is a different kettle of fish. It is a very introverted society. An extroverted person will find it difficult to comprehend the introverted nature of the natives the same way people from the mainland struggle to understand why Islanders are introverted. For Nigerian women it's worst as black women are not high in the dating pool. A lot of black men go for white women. Even within the black community, Nigerian women aren't a big attraction. It's either Caribbean women or women from the Horn of Africa. Men don't have patience for Nigerian women and their sense of entitlement.

For Nigerian women who want to Japa, try and establish a relationship in Nigeria before you go. It's much better that way. If i am lying, ask Pansophist and other foreign experts. They will let you know what dating life is like in the west.

On what basis is this statistics? Is it based on assets, monthly earnings or yearly earnings? If it is based on yearly earnings, then 99% of Nigerians aren't earning what you just stated. You are saying that people who earn 500k per month (6 million per annum) are at the bottom of the middle class in Nigeria? That's mad. God help us.

shortgun:
Middle class still exists in Nigeria.
Below is the true classification according to liquidity.

Rich upper class ....800m and above
Rich lower class........100m-799m
Middle class upper...10m-99m
Middle class lower....5m-9m
Poor upper class......1m -4m
Poor lower class.......God abeg ...990k

Somebody posted a topic about whether there's any middle class in Nigeria. There's still a middle class in Nigeria but it is on the verge of extinction thanks to the policies of you know who. It is interesting to note that in the 50s, post-war 60s and oil boom 70s, Nigeria had one of the largest, if not the largest, middle class in Africa. The decline started in the late 80s when IBB introduced his Structural Adjustment Policy (SAP). The strength of the naira declined and so did the purchasing power of the middle class. The steady decline of the middle class continued throughout the 90s with two different military regimes. The return of democracy brought a sign of relief to the middle class. It actually grew during Obj and Yara'dua's tenures.It started to decline again under Jonathan but the emergence of APC literally decimated what's left of the middle class.

Nowadays, you are either rich or poor. Before, the middle class could to fly both domestically and internationally but now? Only the rich can afford air travel. Pre-APC, the middle class could afford to send their children overseas to countries like the UK, US, Ireland or Canada. Now, with the exchange rate hovering at N1,000, many middle income parents are withdrawing their wards from foreign universities or sending them to countries where tuition fees are cheaper such as Cyprus, France, Romania and until recently, Ukraine.

Presently, to qualify as a middle class Nigerian, you need to be earning nothing less than N3 million naira per annum. That's even for singles. For a married person, you need an average of N5 million per annum to comfortably take care of your family. Remember I said per annum not per month. This is why the middle class are leaving in huge drones. It's only going to get worse.

OP, normally I would not advice people to japa like that but you are a young man who's in his prime. You have age on your side. Don't waste it investing in a business that is not guaranteed due to the insecurity in the country. People who are into farming are struggling due to attacks from herdsmen and unknown gunmen. You are of the perfect age to migrate to Canada. You can always come back to Nigeria once you have sorted yourself out there. Don't make the same mistake the previous generations made by not migrating when they had the opportunity. This is coming from an OG who's seen it all and has options. Go to Canada, earn some money and invest it in the poultry farm in Nigeria.

I just had to comment on this. Doctor come to your house lol. Yet, your President, previous President, Governors, Senators and other elites frequently travel abroad for medical treatment. Bubu 65% of his 8 year tenure as President in a UK hospital. I just love how people talk so much rubbish on social media due to lack of exposure and ignorance. The same ignorance is the reason why Nigeria is such a mess because we have refused to accept that we have a problem.

Your country's transport system is nothing to write home about. Infrastructure is zero. You are either now rich or poor due to the disastrous policies of the ruling party. Man, you lots make me laugh.

Bouncingbabyboy:
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you have been lied to!! In Nigeria with your money doctor will come to your house and treat you .... for the west nothing like that!!! No good food, LGBT propaganda in nursery schools left and right health care in Canada no get quality oo

True. Most African businessmen are egotistic. They believe that they would always be around and wouldn't give others a chance. It's the same reason why most of them don't have a will. They are in denial of their mortality and end up leaving their families in a mess once they depart. Hence, like the topic says, family wealth is not multi-generational like in other continents.

lawani:
Elumelu does not have any huge business he is controlling with majority stake while using bank loans and not having any expert knowledge about the business but that is what Dangote, BUA do but they are still better than Globacom. What is the rationale in controlling 90 percent of a public company even when you collect hundreds of billions of naira dividends only to pay bank debts?. It is just an ego thing as it can not be for the progress of the business since no one lives for ever. See his refinery, he did not add anything more than the idea but he wants to own it one hundred percent and use the oil demand to pay bank loans. If you start or found anything, the life of that thing must be separate from your own because it will or is expected to outlive you

You are right. The issue is that majority of founders in this country like to have 100% control of their businesses. They don't even give their own children autonomy to run the business as they see fit or give their own input on how the business should be run. Only Dangote, Elumelu and a few others are enlightened enough to allow shareholders to purchase shares in their companies.

lawani:
The way to sustain anything is to let it have a life of it's own separate from the founder by having a lot of stakeholders and investors without being tied to any one person

You are actually right. That was an error on my part. Majority of Nigerians are unpatriotic, selfish and tribalistic. We put tribal and religious interest first before national interest. We only care about our individual progress even if it comes at the expense of national progress. If most Nigerians had the same opportunities as the elite, we would all do the same thing. Even abroad, we display the same self-centered characteristics hence why the Nigerian community overseas is not united compared to the Chinese, Indian, Lebanese or Jewish communities.

Kenn55:
Your last sentence is wrong in my opinion. There is no genuinely patriotic Nigerian. If there are, they aren't more than 1%.
The masses appear patriotic because they have no option not because they are genuinely patriotic. Once they have they same opportunity they elites have, their behavior will change instantly.
As a people, our mentality and character is fatally flawed. I have studied a lot of other countries to arrive at this conclusion. That is why it will be almost impossible to get a better country than we already have, unfortunately. I wish I could be wrong on this.

OP, Nigerians have what is called a 'crabs in a bucket' syndrome. They don't want their fellow countrymen to succeed. They want to be the gate keepers to success. As Gerrard rightly said, majority of the Nigerian elite either have second passports or properties abroad. Most of their children don't go to school in Nigeria. The ones abroad who are discouraging Nigerians from coming over there are noise makers. They want to be seen as the only Nigerians abroad. 95% of them already have already acquired the citizenship of their host countries. Ask them to renounce their foreign citizenship and return home, they can't do it. A lot of them have nothing to show for all the years they were living abroad so their best bet is to de-market the country they are based in.

Staying in Nigeria is not an issue. The real problem is staying in the country without a plan B which is why it is imperative that Nigerians try to secure dual nationality by any means necessary. I lived in Europe for many years before relocating to Nigeria in 2014 with a second passport to boot butI would never discourage anyone from JAPAIing in order to create the same opportunities for themselves. Most of the elites don't believe in Nigeria and only see it as a cash out venture. It's the masses who are the most patriotic.

Gentlemen, listen to this SIMP at your own peril. In the west where he's from, most men cannot afford to be the sole provider of the family due to the high cost of living. In fact, it's economic suicide to try such. Real alpha men of value will never say such a thing. This SIMP's sort of mindset is the reason why so many women are entitled and refused to contribute anything to the family. Many young men cannot date women now because of idiots like this clown. Dude talks like every society is the same as the west. In India, the women pay the bride price. Not only that, Indians operate a very strict class system. No poor woman can marry into a rich Indian family. It's the same thing in Northern Nigeria (the muslims at least) and most middle eastern countries.

Rich people are not stupid. The reason why wealthy families are able to sustain their wealth for generations is because they marry people who are compatible with them. They will never marry a liability who has nothing to offer. Who would you listen to, this clown seeking female attention or old money bag families who have sustained wealth for generations? The ball is in your court as they say.

Nigerians are blowing this JAPA syndrome way out of proportion. Immigration is a global phenomenon. The countries Nigerians are Japaing to are also migrating to other countries for even better prospects. Many British professionals are migrating to Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the U.S. for higher wages. A lot of young professionals from Eastern European countries such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Cyprus are migrating to the much wealthier countries in the EU such as Germany, France and the Republic of Ireland. The Canada that Nigerians are migrating are themselves moving down south of the border to the U.S. for better wages and more job opportunities. You don't see the nationals of the aforementioned countries making noise like we do. We just act like we are the only ones affected by the "brain drain" problem.

There are over 200 million Nigerians and the number of people who have left the country in the past 15 years cannot be more than 40,000. Many Nigerians cannot JAPA because of lack of funds. Only the middle class and the upper class can afford to JAPA. The real question you lots should be asking is what measures have the Government taken to encourage those intending to leave to stay? Everything else is just English.

Let me tell you something, contrary to popular belief, money is not the sole/primary reason why so many educated professionals are leaving this country in droves. Many of them are disillusioned with the way the country is run. Education is poor, infrastructure dead, transportation is a mess, security is non-existent and electricity is a shambles. There's also no financial incentives to encourage SMEs and the middle class in general. Until all of this is sorted, expect more people to JAPA in the coming years. In a country where the only qualification needed to be an elected official is your secondary school certificate, why won't the educated ones JAPA? They will keep offering their skills to the highest bidder since you lots don't appreciate them. Continue voting for illiterates based on the fact that he/she is your tribesman. You haven't seen nothing.

There are too many factors involved such as location, job, social status, lifestyle and the kind of partner involved. A man from upper class background has a different reality to that of someone from a working class background. People from privilege will be looking at things such as annual vacation, quality of schools, living in a very decent area etc. Men from humble backgrounds don't have that kind of reality/expectation. Overall, it would be ideal to earn a minimum of N180k if you live in the big cities and N80k in smaller cities.

Bro, the 1% are only in Nigeria because of their business interests. Otherwise, most of them wouldn't be in Nigeria as nothing is working. Ask yourself why a former First Lady of a country (Aisha Buhari) spent EIGHT MONTHS in a foreign country? Name me one country where the FIrst Lady of the country is not based in the country her spouse governs? What about Atiku who barely lives in Nigeria and only turns up during election period? Those are just a few examples. Otedola is not fully based in Nigeria and is always in and out of the country. A lot of your musicians are not based in Nigeria. Is it Burna, Wizkid, SImi, Adekunle, Yungsix or Tekno that are based here? Abeg, even the rich are feeling the heat. Not everything is about money. Security and good infrastructure is very important

Abi1985:
700k is not rich for overseas standard ; 700k is middle class so they can Japa if they want to. Ghana does not count at all, Ghana is not oversea or abroad.

Help me tell them! Nigerians talk like the UK and US are the only countries in the world with examples of good governance. They feel that because governance in those countries is expensive then it must be the same in Nigeria. Health care in most EU countries is cheap. Health care in the middle east is free for their citizens. Even Latin American countries like Brazil and Argentina have free health care. The aforementioned countries also have subsidized tuition free education for their own citizens but Nigerian will never look at those options. They are focus on the UK, US, Canada or Australia that are very capitalist in nature . Nigerians need to think for themselves and stop with this copy cat syndrome.

LeopardX:
What about Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Iran, Germany (medicare costs about €110 approx per month for their citizens) etc. that give quality health care at very affordable costs for their citizens? Must we always compare ourselves to US and UK?

That said, i hope money saved or earned from the subsidy removal will be utilized properly in areas of public interest of which the health sector is included.

The OP and those that liked his post are not in touch with reality. Newsflash, the people who are Japaing from Nigeria are the well-to-do folks. The ones who are earning 700k and above. Poor people cannot afford to JAPA. Hence why they migrate through Libya or Morocco illegally. Many rich kids don't live in this country. The ones that are living in Nigeria are those who don't have second passports. A lot of the 1% are buying second passports in drones to prepare themselves in case anything happens. Rich people with several businesses are relocating to Ghana and other countries that are not too far from Nigeria.

Many rich people are disillusioned with the state of the economy, insecurity, low patronage from clients and rising cost of doing business.

OP, avoid those countries like a plague. Oman is an Islamic country and has zero employment opportunities for non-citizens. Turkey is dealing with an economic crisis and has just re-elected a right wing socialist who sees himself as the new Ataturk. Cyprus (both north and south) has zero economic opportunities for hustlers. You need to increase your income in order to JAPA to a reasonable country. Try Finland (citizenship guaranteed within 5 years), France (low tuition fees and citizenship within 5 years) or Brazil (nice place for business, similar mentality to Nigeria and guaranteed citizenship within a short period). Be prepared to learn a new language as it helps a lot.

Show off? Mate, the guy has spent most of his life in New Zealand! Who make up majority of the population in that country? New Zealand is one of the whitest countries in the world. It's like you people don't understand that human beings are influenced by their environment. Your family, the environment you grew up in, the schools you went to and your circle of friends are significant factors in shaping one's perspective in life. If he had options, he would have most likely gone for black women.

yeyebrity:
That's good for him. They like to go for white women just to show off. The girl knows she won't get shit but just want to punish him. At least he's gonna pay his attorney his fees.

Absolutely nothing. The same problem. Blacks don't want to see their brothers and sisters thrive. Slavery and colonial mentality has really messed up our people.

Raalsalghul:
You are wasting your time.

Five hundred years since the start of the Transatlantic slave trade and the black man has learned nothing.