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This man thinks that we are all gullible. You went to Canada on a visiting visa with a heavily pregnant wife and you assumed that the Immigration officials won't see that as a red flag?? You are afraid of being deported on a VISITING VISA?? He didn't access/plan what it cost to have a child in Canada. You think the Immigration officials don't know that format? This is how they abuse the health sector in many western countries thereby resulting to stricter immigration requirements for other Nigerians. I remember as a student in England in the mid 2000s when Labour were in power, so many Nigerians had abused the NHS under the guise of "medical tourism". A lot of them will give birth in the UK and would not pay their bills thereby costing the NHS thousands of pounds. Our people were so brazen that they travelled all the way to Belfast to give birth once they realized that automatic citizenship by birth don cast in the UK and having a child in Northern Ireland would entitle them to Irish citizenship before they stopped it. These lots would do the same in Belfast and run away without paying their bills!! My fellow Nigerians, I am begging you, when you decide to have your child abroad, always be prepared. Don't just come, have your child and abstain from paying your bills. It makes it more difficult for other Nigerians who can genuinely afford it. This is the reason why Trump wants to stop birth tourism in the States. Think about others. |
Tensa, i respect you but this statement reeks of ignorance. How many Nigerians have seen N1 million in their life? Don't get it twisted by what you see in Lagos, Abuja or Port Harcourt. At least 85% of Nigerians live in poverty. Extreme poverty I might add. There was a report that the number of dollar millionaires in Nigeria is about 33,000. Imagine. 33,000 thousand people vs a population of over 200 million. We have fewer dollar millionaires than even Egypt (39,455) and South Africa (40,100). Many Nigerians aren't doing well tensa. For that lady to have saved that much as an illegal immigrant (which is her current status) is impressive in my own opinion. Her family is just an impoverished one that took advantage of her naivety. tensazangetsu20: |
You have misinterpreted my post. The majority of people in those categories in my post are part of the 1% of this country. JAPA doesn't make sense for them.They have a lot to lose in terms of assets, properties, businesses if they emigrate without a plan. If you are part of the middle class and working class, you should emigrate by all means necessary. The middle class and working class are NOT losers. Those doctors, pharmacists, bankers nurses, IT specialists and lawyers leaving the country in drones are NOT losers. In fact, they are the engine of this country but the economy and the economic policies of the last two administrations have not been favorable to this class of people. Nigeria in the long haul is the loser because these aforementioned class of people are what the country needs to thrive. Alusiizizi: |
P.S., as previously stated, I am not against JAPA. In fact, the middle class and the working class have every right to JAPA. Nigeria is not working for them. What I am against, are those who are doing extremely well in Nigeria and decided to leave their jobs, sell their assets, properties and close their business in the name of emigrating abroad for "greener pastures". It is better for these people to secure a second passport via citizenship by investment. With a second passport, they can travel out of the country whenever they want. Always consult an immigration lawyer before making hasty decisions. |
I noticed a thread on[b]"10 sets of People Who Shouldn't Travel To The UK".[/b] I found it interesting and decided to create my own version. I am an immigration lawyer who just came back from an IBA (International Bar Association) Conference. As a member of the immigration committee, we discuss immigration issues. Immigration is as old as time and inevitable. I don't have issues with Nigerians emigrating for "greener pastures" after all, I did the same thing as a teenager thanks to my folks and encourage many others to do so. What I do have a problem with are the categories of people emigrating abroad to start all over. The list is as follows: 1. Big earners/those who are at the top of their career: It doesn't make sense for someone who earns millions a month to abandon that in the name of JAPA. The chances that you will earn the equivalent to what you are earning in Nigeria is slim. You have to start all over again as no country is going to hire you over their own nationals. 2. People approaching 50 and above. I was insulted some time ago whenI stated that if you must Japa abroad, you should do it when you are young. While there are quite a few over 40s who have been able to re-establish themselves, there many more who have struggled to get back on their feet. The job market is a young person's market. 3. Politicians. These category of people make too much money to desire to move to another country. The system in Nigeria was designed to cater to their very whelms. 4. Small scale/large scale business men. If you have a thriving business, it doesn't make sense abandoning your business just to start over in another country. Don't get me wrong, there are many countries are looking for business men to invest in their economy. In the UK, they fall under the category of investor visas. If you are a Senior Lawyer, Bank Manager, Senior Surgeon, Senior Chartered Accountant, you are most likely at the peak of your profession in Nigeria and very likely earning a decent amount of money that places you in the elite. It makes no sense for these category of people to emigrate and start all over again. There you have it. Everybody else has the right to leave the country as it's not working but it doesn't make sense for the above-mentioned class of people to JAPA abroad (at least, outside Africa) as they have a lot to lose. |
So you mean that Dangote who was caught pants down with a hook-up girl is a "low lifer"? You mean that Ben Affleck who cheated on JLO with prostitutes is a low-lifer or Wayne Rooney who cheated on his wife with prostitutes is also a "low lifer"? Cristiano Ronaldo who slept with a lot of prostitutes during his first stint in England is a low lifer abi? Let me enlighten you and pansophist about men with money. Men with money, power and influence patronize prostitutes the most as there's no strings attached. No emotions. Just get laid and pay her off. To many men of means, it is easier to sleep with a woman who knows how to service a man without any form of attachment/expectations than to date someone who is not a virgin, will chop your money and has nothing to offer in return. Reminderz: |
You get it. That's why old money is different from new money. The old moneyed class are very conservative when it comes to spending. They understand that to preserve wealth, you have to live within/ below your means. New money never lasts because of their orientation when it comes to wealth. Nazgul: |
Leave him. He thinks that we are all naive people who have never stepped outside the country. I have spent one-tenth of my life in the UK and only a crazy person spends that amount in an British club. Even Footballers don't do that. The most they would spend is 20k . 38k is many people's yearly income in the UK. Only a few people earn 50k salary in the UK. N40 million is a lot of money in any country to be wasting in a club. Creativity22: |
As usual, many people in the comments sections are giving ignorant opinions of what is on ground saying that a rich man like him has no business staying in the west. Of course, many commenters did not read Sule's previous statement that if he doesn't secure a second term, he would relocate back to the States. The man has spent half his working life in the States and most likely a citizen, it's not about the money. Most of them saw Nigeria as nothing more than a cash out venture. If things don't work out, they can always go back to their base abroad. That's what Willie Obiano of Anambra state did. Same thing with Kemi Adeosun who moved back to the UK after the whole certificate scandal. Only the wise would understand what I just said. |
I can't blame him for making that statement. As far as he's concerned, Nigeria is nothing but a cash out venture. Once he's tired of the system, he can easily retire to the States where he spent most of his working life. His children are there and he's most likely a U.S. citizen. When I tell people that Nigeria is nothing more than a cash out venture to many people, especially diasporians, they get angry. The worst of those in the diaspora move back to Nigeria to cash out while the best of the best Japa to the west to the add to the economy of their adopted countries. Only the wise would understand what I just said. |
I don't know what to say really. I can't predict the economic standing of black brits in the next 10 years or so. I can only say that they need to get their acts together or they will be still at the same level/left behind. I will tell you that those Indians are going to be more dominant. They have literally penetrated every sector bar the military and religion. The natives will NEVER allow them to dominate the military. That's their identity. Same with the Church and Monarchy. Gerrard59: |
This is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on social media! Barbers and carpenters are doing dirty work?? Barbers that have their own cars? Carpenters have built houses in Ikorodu, Somolu, Agege and Mowe?? Have you not heard of celebrity barbers in the states whose clients include sportsmen and celebrities? I don't blame you. I blame the Nigerian education system that programs people into believing that only those with certificates are the creme of society while those with handy work are "undesirable". That's why many of you look down on Uber/Bolt drivers who are actually doing better than most of you and are graduates as well. Do you know how much plumbers, painter and carpenters make in the UK & other developed countries?A lot of those Diasporians you lots fawn over, work in the informal sector such as bricklaying, retail, fast food joints, construction work and taxi driving. Like I said, it's not your fault, it lack of exposure. Jennyclay: |
You are wasting your time. Tribalism has destroyed this forum. Everything is now looked at from a tribal lens. The chances of the two tribes coming together for a common cause is slim and politicians like it that way. Either tribe would rather see Nigeria burn than see something positive about the other tribe. Emotionss: |
Yeah, it's a massive stereotype that you have to be a graduate of the Oxbridge schools in order to make it to the top in the UK. It's not always true though. There are exceptions though. Kemi Badenoch studied at Sussex and Birkbeck (University of London), Alok Sharma studied at the University of Salford and Priti Patel (University of Keele). Kwasi Kwarteng (the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer) studied in Cambridge and his father was a GP. Apart from costs, what hinders the growth of black politicians in the UK is institutional racism and inability to master the system. Our Asian brothers understand politics. Just look at it, they have penetrated the Conservative Party in massive numbers. Blacks have been voting for Labour for donkey years with nothing to show for it! As for the sectors that black brits congregate the most, it's hard to say as blacks are scattered in every sector in the UK (Finance, real estate, construction, etc). Do you mean upper middle class whites or upper middle class blacks? I also agree that "Asian communities" in the UK needs to be distinguished. 80% of British Asians are from South Asia of which Indians constitute the majority. Indians are the most successful out of all of them (obviously) followed by the Chinese. Pakistanis are in the middle (not that successful but not that poor). Afghans,Iraqis, Syrians and some Bangladeshi are at the bottom of the social ladder for Asians in the UK. Gerrard59: |
It's the black race in general. We just don't like each other at all. It's mad. Raalsalghul: |
Yes, most black brits come from different nationalities, regions and ethnicities. As a result of these differences, there's so much infighting amongst the black community (black africans v black carribbeans, light skin v dark skin, somalians v other blacks). Big problem. Even the Nigerian community is not united. However, this is not an excuse. The Asian community is very diverse as well and they are running things. Do you know why the Indian community is so successful in the UK? They studied the system and understood that the only way to gain power is to be like them. They sent their children to the most expensive boarding schools and networked with the creme de la creme. They knew that if you wanted to become a successful politician in the UK, you have to go Cambridge or Oxford. They succeeded in business by strategically living in areas dominated by other Asians (Bradford, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham). With that comes the corner shops, restaurants, law firms, real estate agencies, car dealers, Kebab shops etc all run by them . With that kind of strategy, why won't an Asian become a billionaire before blacks?? Mo Ibrahim had to think outside the box in order to become a billionaire in the UK. He knew that he couldn't rely on the black community in the UK if he wanted to become rich. Gerrard59: |
You are very correct with your assertion. I would add that the greatest problem facing the black community in the UK is lack of unity. No sense of communal bond. We see each other as 'competition' that needs to be eliminated. Always want to be the top dog in the community. Just look at black professionals. We have associations for black lawyers, doctors and co but what do they do? Nothing. Just talk, Asians, especially Indians, are very cooperative with each other. They have the Immigration sector on lockdown. They are gradually taking over the Financial sector. 98% of corner shops in the UK are owned by Asians. Why can't black brits hack into that? As bad as the UK is, it is easier for blacks to become richer there than in any other European country because of the population of blacks living there (the largest in Europe), the number of educated blacks, the language and established colonial ties. It's the lack of unity and orientation of black brits that is a stumbling block, After all, the richest black people in Europe are based in the UK. Gerrard59: |
Yes, most of his wealth came from Africa but he started his business in the UK. The reason why Black Africans/Carribbeans aren't as successful as their Asians counterparts in the UK is due to various factors such as a lack of support system that our Asian counterparts in the UK enjoy and the inability of black brits to think outside the box and hack the financial system to our advantage. The Asian community in the UK, for the most part, is very united. Gerrard59: |
OP, here are the following reasons why most wealthy Nigerians prefer to live in Nigeria as opposed to living abroad. Firstly, most rich people of any country (especially developing countries) prefer to live in their country of origin as that is their base, their source of wealth and influence. Secondly, most of them are always traveling abroad, so they are not in Nigeria 24/7. Tony Elumelu for example, is always traveling abroad for one engagement or another. Otedola frequently travels back and forth between London and Lagos. Thirdly, most wealthy Nigerians would be subjected to tax in the west so they prefer to be based in Nigeria where they can easily game the system and preserve their wealth. Fourthly, many wealthy people cannot afford to leave the running of their businesses to their subordinates. We Nigerians do not trust ourselves. Nigerian businesses have not grown to the level where the founder and CEO can afford distance himself from the day to day running of the business. Most business men own a majority of shares of their own companies. Fifthly, majority of businesses in Nigeria are based on connections and influence. Most wealthy Nigerians need to maintain their contacts and influence by being physically present in the country. They have no connections abroad. Lastly, as many people in this forum have stated, wealthy Nigerians can get away with so many things in Nigeria that they can never do abroad. They can never be taken to court in Nigeria as the matter will die a natural death. They can rape/abuse many women and get away with it. They can destroy people's properties without any consequences. The list goes on. |
Gerrard, I respect you a lot but that is not true. Have you ever heard of Mo Ibrahim? He's the richest black man in the UK from Sudan. As of last year, he was worth $1billion. He was the owner of CELTEL. He also has a popular foundation in Africa called the Mo Ibrahim foundation. Dude is not that famous due to the fact that he is low key. The man was in the Sunday Times Rich list for years (that should tell you that i have lived in the system for a while and cannot lie). Google him. Gerrard59: |
OP, let me give you some reality check, the most stingy people are rich men who made their money through their own SWEAT. Do you honestly THINK that any man who HUSTLED for his money would spend that kind of money on a woman he is not married to or doesn't have a child for him?? It's idiots like that guy that give you women such a huge sense of entitlement. Men are complaining because actions from men such as that SIMP have made the dating market very difficult for the average man. Even Hollywood celebrities (at least the white ones) don't do this for girls they are dating. Show me any rich man's son that has bought a car for his girlfriend? Did Banky buy a car for Adesua when he was dating her? Are you going to say that he is broke? What about Don Jazzy? Have you ever seen him buy a car for a chick? Let's be wise please. |
Thank you for exposing that guy. So the woman migrated to Canada with the wrong visa and expects to get a job? We Immigration lawyers have mentioned time and time again that if you must JAPA, you must make a thorough research of the country you want to migrate to, their immigration laws, their language, the job market and your chances of securing citizenship. So many Nigerians are too lazy to do a simple research and when things don't work out for them, they come online and rant. babakb: |
Don't mind them! Nigerians in the Diaspora are broke yet they are the country's biggest financial lifeline after oil & gas! Many of them are begging those 'broke' diasporans for money every day. Some of them even depend on them for financial support! Meanwhile, many Nigerians in Nigeria cannot even afford a flight ticket to their home states for Christmas. ![]() 1stGenAmerican: |
That is simply because there are more Nigerians abroad than most african countries bar North Africans and Somalians. Nigeria is the most populous black nation on Earth, as such, there are Nigerians in every corner of the globe just like the Chinese and Indians. Lastly, majority of the Nigerians abroad were part of the middle class in Nigeria and as such were more educated, industrious and affluent. That is why they can afford to remit more money to their home country compared to their counterparts in other African countries. armyofone: |
Not surprised. Nigerians in Diaspora are Nigeria's biggest lifeline after oil. Despite this, you have so many idiots on this forum and other social media platforms mocking Nigerians abroad. You see them comparing salaries with people who live in first world countries. You see them saying that Nigerian "big boys" are doing better than most people in the diaspora. If so many Nigerians are rich, why is the poverty level so high? If Nigerians are really balling, why are so many families depending on remittances from relatives abroad? How many Nigerians can even afford to travel abroad for holidays? When i say that many Nigerians are among the most deluded set of people on the planet, people would't understand. |
Depends on what you mean by the word "illiterate".Any who can read, write and is educated up to secondary school level is not an illiterate. There are a lot of university 'graduates' in Nigeria who cannot string more than two sentences together. Many of them can't even sign their own name! Your ability to read, write and have a cognitive reasoning faculty defines your level of education. That's not to say that I would date a secondary school leaver. The way I see it, as a person, the individual you date/marry is a reflection of the kind of person you are and the type of people you surround yourself with. It is very difficult (not impossible) for an Ivy league school graduate or an oxbridge graduate to date a secondary school dropout or a village girl based on their level of education, exposure and the caliber of people they surround themselves with. |
I agree. It's not advisable for people with a lot of assets in Nigeria to just JAPA. Also, people with businesses should encourage their children to spend more time in Nigeria as a lot of their heirs end up abandoning the family business as they have been out of the country for too long. Like I said previously, I don't blame people (including the upper middle class) for leaving. Nigeria is a very tough country to survive even with money. I practice in Lagos. Shuttle between Europe and Nigeria when I can. xandy84: |
I agree that it is a big risk for people with a career to sacrifice everything in the name of Japa and as an Immigration lawyer, I have advised clients to think clearly before Japaing. However, the middle and upper middle career oriented are leaving the country not because of money but because of the quality of living in the country. No matter how one disguises it, the quality of living in Nigeria is very low. No light, no decent water, no good roads and a non-existent educational sector. The middle class have looked at the aforementioned issues and have concluded that Nigeria is not a suitable environment to raise their children. As for those who are at an advanced age, they shouldn't try it. Immigration is a young person's hustle. If you read some of my posts on this forum, I have specifically stated the ideal age to leave the country.There's a reason why the pensioners of those advanced countries retire at a cheaper jurisdiction. xandy84: |
Mimi, I understand that you are giving your opinion based on your personal experience abroad. I spent a quarter of my life abroad before moving back to Nigeria so i know the downsides of living in a white man's country. However, you do not understand why Nigerians are desperate to leave the country by any means necessary as you don't live in Nigeria and you aren't experiencing the HELL so many people are going through in this country. So many people are disillusioned with the state of the country. We are talking about a country that is only designed for only the rich to thrive. The poor do not have any chance. That is why prostitution, yahoo, drugs, rituals and fraud have become the norm. A lot of young people are disenfranchised with the system. The middle class has been wiped out. You are either rich or poor. Education has now become the right for only the rich. Many individuals have seen their standard of living drop in by 80% in the past 10 years. The list of problems is endless. I also assume that you probably have a second passport so you don't understand what the average Nigerian goes through when they travel abroad for different reasons. Just come and experience living in Nigeria for 3 months. Then you will understand why people want to Japa by force. |
They told their boys to queue for them until it was their turn . One Embassy official came out and announced that if you are not directly applying for a visa, they will not allow you in. See big men in their agbada rush out of their cars to join the queue . U.S. Embassy no send anyone. It's just that internet and social media has created more awareness about what happens in the U.S. Embassy. armyofone: |
Kindly ignore all the haters on this forum and the ignorant. Imagine one of them complaining about Brazil before porting to Sweden. Why didn't he moved directly to Sweden from Nigeria? A lot of them saying that Chile is a shithole but have not done any research about the country. Chile that is decades ahead of Nigeria in overall development lol. Nigerians are so deluded that they don't understand how behind their country is compared to most countries outside Africa. tensazangetsu20: |
Congrats Temsa! Well done! You don finally port from this country. I like how you kept your JAPA plans coded until you were successful. That's how to go about it. Glad that you were thinking outside the box and not migrating to the well known destinations (UK, US, Canada, Australia, Ireland and Germany). They are too saturated and competition is too much! Abeg, don't come back until you have naturalized as a citizen there. Do it for the sake of your future children. |
