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Logicboy03: That thread has numerous lies praising Islam


1) Islam existed since the beginning of time!
-Did it exist at the big bang?
-Was Abraham a muslim? No
-Was Muhammad's father a muslim? No
-Was Jesus a muslim? NO

my friend, thats a problem. people dont understand islam. the scenario these days is like that of past prophets where their people attack them to run from the message. they forget that everyman decides his own fate.... now

Islam existed since the beginning of time!
-Did it exist at the big bang? i dont know and it really does not matter or did Adam exist at the big bang?
-Was Abraham a muslim? Abraham was a monotheist. one who submits himself wholly to one true God giving him the title"friend of God". is that the meaning of Muslim?
-Was Muhammad's father a muslim? was Mary a Christian? or was Abrahams father submissive to God? how did that become a criteria
-Was Jesus a muslim? check the Bible, was Jesus submissive to God "the father"

2) Universally Available to all people
-Is that why I am told that you cant fully understand the Quran without Arabic? Millions of even muslims dont spoeak Arabic
-Is that why Islam spread through slavery and conquest in Sub-Sahran Africa
-Was it readily available in Nigeria before the Arabs came?

if Millions of even muslims dont spoeak Arabic and they spread around the globe, they are convinced of islam. is islam universal? isnt that suprising too........lol

i did not read above that being universal is a function of time. show me pls!

maclatunji: *Yawns*

@maclatunji, ...... waiting for your response pls

Paris-Love:
hello?? Are you okay? What's the meaning of this?

its the TRUTH. YOU AUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN THAT BY NOW thanks to N/L

Ignorance is not an excuse. When your prophet married more than 4 wives did if conform with the quran? And those hadiths are authentic by the way. Ask your mullah. What about the quran verses?

note that the Hadith is as good as your bible. You have to look very well, carefully to be sure of the truth..... also, is it not ironic that Christians attack Muhammed not his message while Muslims, Jesus` message not Jesus.

Do you remember from biblical history where some pple are so scared of the message that they attack the messenger......... now its making sense

Ali did not conver to Christianity sorry. I won't reply you again. If you've anything to say to Ali you easily reach @ [email]ffieditors@yahoo.com[/email]

Thanks

Ali seems to be a journalist (aha!) anyways if thats all you know of Ali, it tells what kind of person you are. also, have you asked yourselve why i should trust Ali? or you think i should be as gulible as you have shown

kemoolala: I'm not so sure d guy is ok.Stoning to death is not for some but definitely for some set of pple, maybe he needs to read his write up over and over again. Thank GOd we don't belong to religion that stoning to death is allowed for a particular offence. Jesus Christ has Redeemed us, Halleluyah!!!

a reason for you to begin to stone to death "now that you are without sin"-as claimed.

God`s guidiance is the only true guidiance and i pray for it for all of us.

kemoolala: Wat a religion dat allows stoning to death for some offences!!!

the laws of moses that Jesus did not come to abolish allows it

one Question, did Jesus abolish the punishment of stoning to death? cos i think the case of "John 8:7" does not mean it was abbolished....... in fact, now that Christians are without sin as claimed, should they be able to cast the first stone? should the law now be practiced..............

I think it is hypocracy for a sinner to punish another. its just simple... also, they were tempting Jesus(john8:6) (could also mean it was all a lie that the lady in John8:7 was cought in the act) i would say The answer was Wisdom with Gods guidiance...... remember that Gods ways will never change!!!

like that time refered to in John 8:7, how is the life of those leaders in muslim areas that punish in such way, are they qualified? is it islamic for a furnicator to be punished as an adultrer? or is the story (a) true (version) ...... those are my questions as a muslim

Logicboy03: That thread is a load of nonsense. Just because it appeals to your muslim bias doesnt mean that it is factual!
Please, make your own arguments.

@logicboy03
what are your reasons to classify the tread as "a load of nonsense", i think it will be better if you raise your objections clearly.



its an educative tread and...............subscribing as an observer!

funny thing is- the check engine light is not on

MANs OPERATIONAL MANUAL ON EARTH.

in islam, jesus was not nailed. and i understand that this was a matter of concensus among early followers of his.


also, if your story is true, was that the first time such punishment was metted out.

Paris-Love:
It's unthinkable

but it is thinkable that your God had to wait for so long before sending "his Son" to wipe of Adams sin? pls get off your slumber

i know you guys are fast to provide an hadith to support your claims.

its only in islam that all leaders are righteous, in christianity, not all are righteous.... so islamic leaders define islam but christian leaders do not define christianity.

could she have been punished for disobedience........... i just thought of that o!...please note that im not justifying the punishment.



..but .......... so many things should come to mind.

shala: I have seen mistakes in the kuran. Surah 86:6-7 is a lie! ' [16:15] is also not true. 20:87 and 20:95 are also fat lies!!!!. history recorded something else. And beside, most of the saying of the kuran where copy from per-Islamic Arab text

which history and recorded by who? what is the reference used? you need to wake up from your slumber.

go to science and ask what is the function of mountains......... pls seek knowledge. every sane mind should love to learn i suppose. at least google it before saying it is a lie it will show your objectivity. but now, its clear you are not objective.

Why I Left Islam
by Ali Sina

@ paris love

note that most High God commands what he wills and he is never unjust to his creations but the creations are unjust to themselves.

the verses you quote seems similar to when the atheists state that " God of the bible(old testament) is a wicked God. but i will ask, will you condone your "child" who does not regard nor obey you but holds another child of yours in high esteem, in other words, all respect, obedience, honour.... that you deserve from that son is accorded to another son of yours and he does not even care that you exist or not?

what if their relationship is not even a father-child relationship? please relate it to an expert programmer who makes automated catoon characters that he can easily remake anytime?

........ may God forgive me for my errors and guide me to righteousness. same to you (but please say the prayer with all righteousness)



for the hadiths, i dont know your source but there is a standard benchmark for hadiths-it must conform with Quran teachings only then can it be said to be free from error. else, it needs caution cos it can derail.

lastly, i think Ali Sina must have seen these Quranic verses before if he claims he has read the Quran and some other books, he must be a joke!!!. i know christians who converted to islam reading this same book that confuses some "acclaimed muslims".

note that even if i want to leave islam (God forbid as there is no reason for that), it cant be christianity where the founder(paul who kills jesus` followers) contradicts his encounter with Jesus in two different places (should a sane mind trust PAUL?). pls read your storybook well and see that it is just a joke. it is evident that if it has an original, it must be lost or hidden.

kemoolala: An Untold Love Story
By Yagmur Dursun

2005/03/13

My name is Yagmur (it means "rain"......

while your second story seems calculated and convincing, note that in islam, adultry is different from furnication.

when 2 unmarried people have sex, the punishment is not stone to death but 100 lashes for both of them...... should i trust your story now?

stoning to death is for maried folks (sex outside marriage) both of them.

there are procedures for these punishments to be excerted that makes it hard to find anyone guilty so your story becomes very fallible.

if it is common in some claimed "sharia compliant" areas or if it is done in another way, it becomes normal to query the sincere of the leaders in such environment.


another simple case of blasphemy i will say or prove that it is true. so i can make a write up, post on the internet and say it is a true story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and you come and post it here, do you think the readers here are foolish?

aghreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

kemoolala: Zana's Story
Zana'a amazing conversion story. He meets an angel on a bus home from Prison


It all started in late 1980’s when I was detained by the Iranian police for no reason. They thought that I had some connections with Kurdish political parties that were opposing the Islamic Republic. I did not have any connection with any political party or anything of that sort. Months went by without them even letting my family know where I was. Finally, the day came when I was brought into court. The Judge asked me three questions that were asked of many people:

What is your name? -- I said Zana.

What is your ethnicity? -- I said I am a Kurd.

What is your religion? -- I said that I am a Sunni Muslim.

I was taken out of the court, thrown back into my cell and I was beaten all night. Next morning, they put me on a bus headed back to Mahabad, my city in Kurdistan. On the bus, I was sitting next to a man. He opened his bag and took out a sandwich which was wrapped in newspaper. I was very hungry since I had not eaten regular food in almost six months. ...

haa! kemoolala, this is obviously another lie, i wonder why you cant apply logic in this case.

first, do angels lie or why would yacub say he is going to kurdish to see Zana when they are together in the bus?

i really dont care about who ate the third sandwich but my concern is if it is a public bus as i thought it was initially, was Zana the only person in the inter-state destination bus since Mahabad is a city in Kurdistan (kurd must be a state). if the bus belongs to the security outfit, then where are the security personnels as we cant just have a "criminal" and the driver in such vehicle.

you make me laugh......, i think i should start a story of Christian revert into islam. and you will see the conviction in those where people revert not because they are molested (forced out of christianity) but out of personal conviction.

also, you did not say what the crime of other family members are, some were just killed while the offender (Zara) was set free?.......pls dont confuse us.

may God in his mercy guide us all to the right path.


i hope your story will be the first true story you will relate to us here...lol

musKeeto: Yeah. Jesus is the 'get out of jail card'... The helpline is prayer and constant communion with the Father.

A TRUE christian doesn't have the sin nature. He's a new creature. He CAN NOT sin..

hoho, so if boko Haram were christians, they have not sinned but only fall-out-of-line. i can only pity your soul for you need to re-establish what sin is.

no wonder, i know some who have sexual relationship outside their marriage and they still talk of "grace", can you outsmart God? again, i pity you for your ignorance.



if truely your living is to save your soul, then learn what is required to save it. Logic first, then faith.

hadbak: of course, muslims Wil inshaallah see God. The pple that wunt see God are those who asociate patners(trinity) wit Him n those dat claimed He has a son..

some people claim God was seen already, so why is it important for them to see God again?

if Jesus preached Heaven, then paradise and heaven must be same

shala: What rules? The one that say a woman can not travel without a male company or the one that states that every body need to convert to slam (like your boko haram brothers are preaching) before peace will reign. Or is it the one that make every non-Muslim a second class citizen? Please tell us these rules so that your people will stop throwing bomb at Christians.

since you dont know the rules, how do you think you understand islam

kemoolala: can u imagine someone they claimed to be their leader said to their face that he does not know where he was going, can u just picture the kind of leader he is?

Thats what you think. He knows and we know. But in islam, God has a position no creation can have. If truely God decides what he wills, and answers to no one, if he decides to make mankind extinct this day, who can query him? If he decides to make all of mankind end in hell then make another creature for heaven, who can challenge him. GOD IS AUTONOMOUS IN HIS DESCISION.
In islam, it is important to obey Gods commands and do good to all creatures of God in a bid to benefit from his mercy and grace most importantly on judgement day.
If God were to judge man according to our actions only, who will make heaven? Do you know how many ants you killed unknowingly today? Man commits sin unknowingly too so Gods mercy is essential and it is only by his grace we do all the good deeds that we do. So who can be sure his unknown sins will not outweight his good deeds. But by his grace/mercy through our sincere dedication in seeking for it and our good intention to please God, we can hope and pray to make heaven but in our mind, we must remember that its Gods heaven and no one has exclusive right to it but by his mercy.
The prophet was teaching us. And he was also establishing with it that he is a man like us so people dont worship him like they do to some.

If the wages of sin is spiritual death after judgement, then I will want to ask that what is spiritual death? Is it similar to the phisical death or not.

chiebube: Please clearly redefine the problem. i may be able to help to a very large extent. I have a nissan altima I have been using for the past 4 years. Same model as yours.

chiebube: Please clearly redefine the problem. i may be able to help to a very large extent. I have a nissan altima I have been using for the past 4 years. Same model as yours.

Thanks chiebube.
The problem is that: if there is no traffic like on a highway, it moves fine till when it gets to a traffic area that irrespective of how much I use the accelerator, the rev meter pointer will not go beyond 1000r/min. This is relative to gear 1. So I can say the engine does not respond to the accelerator.
I have serviced the gear but no change in vehicle behaviour. I noticed that if I turn off the engine and turn it on again, irrespective of interval between off-on state the car works fine for a while before the engine stops responding to the accelerator again

chiebube: Please clearly redefine the problem. i may be able to help to a very large extent. I have a nissan altima I have been using for the past 4 years. Same model as yours.

Thanks chiebube.
The problem is that: if there is no traffic like on a highway, it moves fine till when it gets to a traffic area that irrespective of how much I use the accelerator, the rev meter pointer will not go beyond 1000r/min. This is relative to gear 1. So I can say the engine does not respond to the accelerator.
I have serviced the gear but no change in vehicle behaviour. I noticed that if I turn off the engine and turn it on again, irrespective of interval between off-on state the car works fine.

nissparts: Could be a speed sensor.
You'll need to run a diagnostic check.
Guessing faults is outdated

Ok. I will work that out but will also be glad if you can pls suggest a reliable place for a check.
Thanks for the response

professionals in the house!!! pls help o

ifeness: Islam is one of the problems to humanity

yes. the problem islam has is it profers solution for all of mans problems but humanity does not want to be without problem............ what a SHAME

its simply reverse psychology!

shala: @op:Is either you are deliberately being mischievous or you don't understands what Christianity is all about apart from what you imam told you. if you are looking for christian Aluu is the last place to look. Most of them are idol worshipers and cultist. An average Ikwerre man is a cultists. They own more allegiance to their idols and cult gods than the christian GOD. Asri dekibo got converted to Islam because Christianity preaches turning the other cheek and according to him, that do not agree with his nature. he went to an Islamic country got trained on how not to turn the other cheek. Came back and became a terrorist and ya'dua your Muslim brother rewarded him with amnesty.

IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE as if you understand ISLAM.

obisage: pls Mr. poster, what does Quran 9:5 say.?

if at this age of nairaland, you still ask this Question, then u are not learning

Omo Alata: Because they have Christian names don't make them Christians

oh! but since Boko Haram has muslim names, they are muslims?.....hypo.cra..y.....

negotiable!!!

my automatic 2000 nissan altima moves well on the highway (all gears ok), but when i branch off into a city, or high traffic area, it does not respond to accelerator again (does not rev.) hence works only on gear 1. if i switch off the engine and put it back on, it works perfect again for a while and the problem returns.

pls help!!!

italo: Personally I think the Quran is a fraud and it is from the devil. I believe Mohammed is an imposter. He is NO prophet of God, only an agent of the devil...and among my reasons are:

The Quran calls Jesus a prophet of God and encourages Muslims to believe in the scriptures of Jews and Christians. And a prophet/scriptures of God wouldn't teach lies. Let us even assume Jesus is only a prophet as Mohammed said. It would mean that Jesus didn't teach lies. In the Bible, Jesus calls himself the Son of God...and God. Thomas called him God and he didn't rebuke Thomas. Then Muslims say that the Bible and the Jewish scriptures have been corrupted. When we say give us the original, the one Mohammed read from, they can't give us. If you don't have the original, how can you tell that my copy is fake? If you have never seen the scriptures, how can you read it...much less believe it - as Mohammed told you to.

Secondly, when I look at the life of the man, and what he inculcated into his followers, its clear that he was nothing close to a prophet.

And please, let's not go into details of that liar's life and teachings... It will do you no good.

And it can get a fatwa on my head.

you are free to think what you want but there is a price so i advice you think right.

according to ur bble, re we not all sons of God, how about the person who makes peace bw 2 people. go and read the conext of where Jesus was referd t as God, who was reporting the incident. is it reasonable to beleve such hook-line-sinker.
if Jesus did not lie, could he have been sent by God nd also be God....... its just simple logic to now something is wrong with the book.

If you have a revised version, you should bring the original used for the revision. abi una no get am again?

you dont even know the man muhammd. what you look at im sure is the blasphemous info by your...... by people.

what he inculcated in his followers is love for mankind, how to live in peace, to fight against oppresion, moral conduct (does your new gospel even teach morality).... to be the best you can be all in a bid to seek Gods favour.

"And it can get a fatwa on my head" are you blaspheming?

MAY GOD GUIDE US ALL ARIGHT.

italo: So if the message was SOLD (past tense - which means it happened before the Quran was written), why does Mohammed then write:

"Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (WHICH ARE) with them" (7:157 MP).

Note that the present tense indicates that The Torah and Gospel were with Jews and Christians at the time Mohammed was writing the Quran. They hadn't been "sold", as you put it.

Which are the "Torah and the Gospel which ARE WITH THEM (Jews and Christians)" in Mohammed's time? Since Mohammed said he believed in the earlier scriptures, it means he must have been reading it. Can you then tell us where to get a copy of the scriptures. Or did Mohammed throw away his copy...and that of all the other Muslims who were reading it and believed it? All over the world, not a single Muslim had ONE copy of this scripture which they read and believed? I find that very dubious.

"Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (WHICH ARE) with them" (7:157 MP). - is "muhammed" in the bible now? the logical truth is that at the time of revelation, it was in the bible then(what edition was availabe then) or some peole had the original version.
you simply have much logical reasoning to do if you believe in the Quran verse you quote.