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mkmyers45: Its safe to generalize this use of English then...remember when making an exception it should be made for all

this is the reason it is best to read in arabic. some meaning may be lost during translation and "Gap theory" may come in. remember that no translation can be perfet

mkmyers45: and you call it a barrier lol

This has been common knowledge long before the writings of the Qu'ran

you make me laugh. when did it become known. pls google it and see.

Dipwater: Really!!! For the first time in my life ,am having this feeling of likeness towards ur religion
I biliv in the big bang theory but not in the same way the atheist see it
My belief is God is the big bang that sparked or caused creation.

Yes. i did science, and when i read of creation of the earth in the Quran, i knew the Bigbang theory has high probability of being true. Infact, the Quran says the smoke was used to form the 7 heavens.........(and i think, if smoke is enclosed in something, it may actually be there for years like you light a match, put the fire off and return the match in the box with the smoke))

Quran says: in all that is created is a sign (that God exists).... even the mosquito is an example (it flies and breath,how) its a mercy from its lord-the cherisher and sustainer of life.

ifeness: The earth is only a tiny part of the universe or universes. The term God originated from the minds of humans. There are superior beings out there who have the superior advance technology to create our biological bodies. Those are the people we call God or Gods. Every creation is God because we all are capable of creating anything we can imagine. I see what you term as God to be infinity or All That IS.

A case where a human who is in the image and same thinking capacity of our creators decides to worship or feel inferior to other beings is pathetic. Every soul and human is sovereign

Science is a way humans learn to understand the universe and where we came from. We might not have all the answers now,but in years to come,we will.

while we wait for such proof(though i believe it will never come), it is still an illusion. note that there can not be 2 captains on a ship. same, there is only 1 supreme being, most High God who organise, design,sustains and retain lordship of the worlds. none is comparable to him

mkmyers45: Stop trying to be biased....Mohammad was reciting Allah's word no?


Sura 18:86

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.""

What does it mean when it said 'it set in a spring in a spring of murky water' abi na typographical error?

- this is only use of english.
Question: where did he find that the sun had set, in a spring of murky water..... this is an event in Moses` time, Muhammed was not there at the time and only Quran reported it. How did he know? - He shall not speak of himselve but what is commanded of him to speak.

mkmyers45: There is no such barrier in science...

the barrier where the atlantic ocean meets the mediterranean sea and they do not mix. science say the density of both water differ..... but d question one would have askd is what will not make them mix,overflow........ science may call it surface tension.

Bigbang theory is about the black hole: do you know what a black hole is? that it exploded for the earth to come about. and the arth is also aging and will die with time. could an athiets not know science?

Evil Brain: The big báng theory doesn't prove anything (science deals in evidence, not proof). It is a theory about the origin of the universe. It says that the universe began as an infinitesimally small, energy dense point called a singularity which inflated till it reached its present size, and continues to do so today. There was no explosion, and no smoke. That by the way was an extremely short, dumbed down summary of the theory so don't think you're now that you've read this post. Read the Wikipedia article for the more complete version.



Sura 18:86

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.""
Is it possible that you, a Muslim are not aware of this verse? Could it be that I, an atheist am more familiar with the Koran than you? Or were you just being disingenuous because you knew you were cornered?

and in 18:90 also said d same sun also rose on some people...... right? this is english brother!. it only described where he was when the sun set. or is it logical for sun to set in a spring of murky water while it is over billion times greater than earth.

frosbel: Are you still arguing with these blinded Muhammedians ?

have you ever tried to findout the meaning of Muslim (arabic word)..... one who submits to Gods will absolutely. in line with this, did Jesus, Moses, Abraham submit to Gods will or not. i dont need ur answer to this. just think it over

@ plaetton: i like your science. but my qustion is what is the Source? cos i understand that the first man was from soil, first woman-rib, then Sparm,Sparm,Sparm.
so what is the Grid that the energy/molecule will return to?

timmy7: U know mohammed copied that from d bible,modified it and made it appealling to d gullible arabs. The man is a good story teller u know

He was an illetrate. He spoke only what God tells him to and God knows history. or did the bible also say Adam prayed to God for forgiveness?

T_Bademosi: Na wa o... Different analysis. Tintings & me234, can u hweva ansa d question to this thread more clearly.

now, Christians say Jesus is God. that is their own God,Jesus. Muslims say that Jesus prayed to a God-Ellah, the Father in Heaven as in the Bible. that is the God of the Muslims.

note: Ellah seems similar to Allah. Allah is an arabic word for most High God. always keep that in Mind

acidosis™:
keeping quiet under the fear of "these people loosing their lives in hell" if we ever attack. .

besides, who will insult Jesus but christians themselves. they also insult Muhammed yet they claim to love. tell me a case muslims insult Jesus. all we say is in our believe. say what is in your belief or keep Quiet. Dont frame things up to insult. it is not rewarding

Evil Brain: Rubbish. There is no such barrier separating the oceans. I'm afraid you are talking nonsense.



The big bàng theory doesn't claim that the universe exploded into existence. And as far as I am aware, neither does the Koran.

What you are doing is selectively interpreting sections of the Koran in ways that make it look scientific and dismissing the more embarrassing passages (like the one about the sun setting into a muddy pool).

The fact is that you could never have derived the big báng, or any other scientific theory from the Koran or bible before that theory was elucidated by scientists. It's only after a theory has become established that your people start trying to massage koranic passages to fit known science. And the patently ridiculous passages (like the aforementioned muddy sunset hypothesis) get written off as metaphysical and not literal.

The only way to convince me that the Koran has real knowledge in IT is for someone to extract information we didn't already know from it. If someone used organic verses to build a functioning warp drive or produce a stable wormhole, that would be pretty convincing.

Bastardising both the Koran and the big báng theory to try and make them fit together is not going to fool anyone with a brain.

Ok for the sake of argument. what did the bigbang theory proove? tell me something different or confess you dont knowand tell me where d Quran says the sun sets into a muddy pool. but the Quran says as below:

Q 41:9 "Say: is it that they deny him who created the earth in 2 days? And do ye join equals with him? He is the Lord of all the worlds...(now i wonder how many worlds exists - (wait patiently for science though it already claim some parallel worlds)

Q 41:10 "He set on the earth mountains standing firm, high above it and bestows blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion in 4 days (inclusive of 2 days above).......

Q 41:11 "Moreover He comprehended in his design the sky and it had been as smoke: He said to it and to the earth "come ye together....."


Could the Bigbang have resulted in smoke? aha i catch you there. go read the Quran first.

diluminati: smh
and so fking what? At 1400 * many years ago, acient egypt already had this knowledge.

why do you think so. give me a proof-google it out

mkmyers45: What barrier?

Q 25:53 "It is He who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet the other salt and bitter; yet he has made a barrier between them a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Q 25:54 " It is he who has created man from water: then he has established relationship of lineage and mariage: for thy Lord has power over all things.

haibe: We know the end of satan already in the bible, he will be destroyed and thats because he will never repent.

same in the Quran too. but if he repents nko. bikko!.... God is all forgiving, most merciful. but sometimes, i also sometimes think he was created for this purpose afterall God knows all from the very begining.

TalkingBird: Good to know you are still on line.
Did you read my posts on proof of creator-ship and the beginning of creation?
I always have an open mind, but, not the type that is dogmatic and fails to see reason.
There is no way you, or anyone can proof that the bible is contradictory. The problem most times is that verses are read in isolation and with bias.
So proceed with your doubts or questions and I will endavour to provide you with answers.

Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice? pls explain as this is a reason i logically feel the information need to be handled carefully.

ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

TalkingBird: I know! And if it is proved that it does not contradict it self what happens? Will will believe it and worship the true GOD?

yes. but but if it proves that it contradicts, will your view become open, will you search elsewhere?...pls think very well b4 you answer

mkmyers45: So? by the time the Qu'ran was written they were common knowledge..

how do you know that if i may ask? show me

Quran says some rocks have water within it years ago. now science says seas/oceans are formed by metorites with has 80% of water. any similarity? think

engrtee: persnaly, i dont bliv in bing baang .but wen a volcano erupts, there is a smoke. So yes, there cud b smoke

do you know that the Quran says there was smoke when the earth was created...... if its true, does it support science theory of BigBang

Its obvious that many are suffering from Psychological Warfare. God`s guide is the only true guide. Open your eyes,read and think not just open your ears and Talk

That the earth is created in 7 days is not known to science. so it is not valid

engrtee: Science make mistake

science contradict itself

science flaws

do u want proof? Ask and u wil recive

we know science is human work and is ongoing. but pls u know a BlackHole in space, if it really explodes (BigBang), will there be smoke?

after the BigBang or speculated BigBang, could there have been smoke? pls i need an answer

nathdim: Then which should we believe in is it d bible which says Jesus is d way (which means over one billion Muslims are going 2 hell )or d quoran who see Jesus as a prophet which means over 2billion people are also 2 hell frm wat I can see Christianity is a product of d Roman empire

Go and read both the Bible and Quran. then confirm which does not contradict itself and also gives insight into science. but know that there is God who gave you brain to think and to know right from wrong

TrustZee: [b]@inurmind and niflheim,its evident dat d b0th of u r ATHEIEST....the bible is inspired auth0rized by God (2 tim0thy 3:16 ,17)... U question baseless matters in d scriptures...there by indirectly questi0ning d auth0rity of the M0st High God who gave you d breathe,hands,eyes etc to be able to post those rubbish in nairaland...HMMN B CAREFUL..GOD is watching!...b4 he takes dat breathe 4rm u..D so called scientist n scholars who said dat d earth was flat n supported by an 0bject were proven wrong by d bible because,d earth is round in shape n hanging upon n0thing,and scientist hav succumbed 2 it,cos they later found it...d bible aint a science txtbk,but wen it talks abt science,its accurate..sum facts in d bk of revelations shudnt b taken literal,but symb0lic...SO GO N READ UR BIBLE DAT WILL ENABLE U DRAW CL0SER TO GOD INSTEAD OF C0NTRADICTING URSELF WITH SCIENCE N ITS SCIENTISTS...remember d wisdom in dis world is nt 4rm God cos they pr0m0te ungodly desires..but d wisdom 4rm ab0ve is trustworthy n it c0mes with rich blessings[/b] I DON TALK

similar to your initial statement before the arguments. it seems this is just a show of Faith. its good but what is the basis of your Faith in the Bible. let us know

thelastPope: Actually, create, make and form are different. Take off your glasses and read genesis 1 and 2 again. You will see it clearly. God created man in chapter 1. In chapter 2, it said clearly that there was no man to till the ground after man was already created in Chapter 1. Then God formed man from the dust. It is actually very clear. Then God breathed into man and man came alive. That signifying man was originally in spirit form. Read it again.

1st....... God created man in chapter 1
2nd....... Then God formed man from the dust
3rd....... Then God breathed into man and man came alive

my Q. which man was breathed into. is it 1st-the man created in chapter 1 or 2nd the man formed from dust. i would think the man formed from dust(could be Gap theort too)but what happened to the man created in chapter 1. was he destroyed or is can you explain a logical relationship btw the man in 1 and 2.

also, is it a mistake that God created man before he realised that there is need for the floor to be tilled. God i believe and i think you also believe is a perfect planner

oguntola18: TO SOLVE THIS, SIMPLY GET TO UR NEAREST ISLAMIC SHOP AND BUY THE DEBATE DISK "THE BIBLE AND QURAN IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE". YOU GET TO KNOW WHICH IS MORE PERFECT

you will be suprised that there is a huge mis-representation of Islam to the non Muslims. unfortunately, a number of those who claim to be muslims are not good example of what a muslim should be.

since Cliford Orji is a christian (i think), should i conclude all christians are Man eaters? Open ur eyes. Think and read by yourselve

damilarelr: It was disorganised by virtue of the extra 6 hours of daylight. That was what science accounted for every four years by adding an extra day to February.

if i may ask, did the bible mention 6 Hrs

damilarelr: All those "lost meanings" through the writers of the Bible will be revealed to you by the Author when you're reading it. But you need redemption to access the Author..

the lost meaning could be "gap theory" i hope my knowledge of the theory is ok